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Mar 27, 2023 1:43 PM
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Why do Pokemon fans act like elitists despite the franchise not being focused on philosophy or hardcore themes? They even act more elitist than franchises with philosophical or hardcore themes. It just feels weird.  
Mar 27, 2023 1:48 PM
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Elitist towards fans? Towards certain Pokemon games? Towards other games? In what way?
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wolffanghameha said:
Elitist towards fans? Towards certain Pokemon games? Towards other games? In what way?
Usually towards/against the newer games, Persona, other Nintendo franchises or owned, sometimes Final Fantasy and Disgaea.
Mar 27, 2023 2:07 PM
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People get passionate about stuff they like getting worse.  Pokémon fans snubbing other series as worse is something I never see.  Only kids would do that.  
Mar 27, 2023 3:37 PM
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Supporting anything Nintendo is like supporting the next EA. Thanks.
Mar 27, 2023 4:34 PM
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Mar 27, 2023 5:46 PM
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AkihitoZero1224 said:
Usually towards/against the newer games, Persona, other Nintendo franchises or owned, sometimes Final Fantasy and Disgaea.


I have never seen a Pokemon fan be "elitist" towards any other RPG series. And what you are describing for the newer games is people being dissapointed by the newer games, not elitism. There is nothing really wrong with that, considering they have definitely made a lot of questionable decisions in recent years.

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Mar 27, 2023 5:53 PM
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i don't think i've seen this before.

either way pokemon fans do have a track record for being some of the most obnoxious and toxic i don't see any reason to care now, does the fact they like pokemon have any correlation to it lol
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Mar 29, 2023 7:16 AM
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Well a lot of fans of Pokemon are Gen X/Millenials who probably foster a sense of entitlement because of the nostalgia they had for the older games. They are probably conflating their nostalgia with how good the games used to be and get mad because newer games don't give that same sense of nostalgia for them anymore.
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StarfireDragon said:
AkihitoZero1224 said:
Usually towards/against the newer games, Persona, other Nintendo franchises or owned, sometimes Final Fantasy and Disgaea.


I have never seen a Pokemon fan be "elitist" towards any other RPG series. And what you are describing for the newer games is people being dissapointed by the newer games, not elitism. There is nothing really wrong with that, considering they have definitely made a lot of questionable decisions in recent years.

I did actually see once a Pokemon fan go on a tirade on how it isn't a JRPG because those are for weird basement dwellers.

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Mar 29, 2023 3:13 PM
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Yeah lot of Nintendo fans are pretty weird bootlickers who use morality as a guise to cover the bad shit development companies do lol, the best way to enjoy anything nintendo is to enjoy it by yourself since lot of them are addicted to soy and like watching their wives get railed by demonvarqtarious types from the ghetto  in exchange for vasectomies to get switches lol.

Mar 29, 2023 4:26 PM
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If it is they don't like the newer games I mean I can see to that. I have problems with many devs pandering or having not sufficient design. I'm fine with new design if it's good not if it's nostalgia pandering or not really putting enough effort in. I mean if we see changes and we accept them it's fair but if not why say oh fans like this entry and ignore what it did entirely or not expand/maybe do new things not have an identity crisis on what systems or what direction or what audience to be wide appealing just pick one.

I look to Indies or third parties and see better design sometimes and I assume other Pokemon fans or other gamers do as well. How much are Paper Mario fans or Earthbound fans looking to successors in the Indie/third party spaces to PM TTYD and for good reason. Some go 'oh were big who cares' while others will go 'you got to compete not get comfortable'. Some games do get comfortable though.

(I have problems with the Ratchet games and GT7 for just game design reasons (no not the MTX) the campaigns are just not great, nostalgia isn't going to convince me game design is and otherwise the wide audience appeal/safeness didn't effect GT3 and 4 did they but nope apparently forget that follow trends and dumb it down more then open ended design which if they did they would get more people playing to justify the servers (even if I hate the internet connection element) how many people make challenge videos on those entries because of their design not design you play a bit and move on. Ratchet games just have an identity crisis even beside Crack in Time being praised they still seem to not get what people liked about that game or how to present new ideas then going Nintendo nostalgic for PS fans but in the most awkward way possible when we make it clear what design elements we like and they still follow trends and respond in the most awkward ways in game design responses).

Granted I don't know what kinds of things fans of Pokemon want of gameplay, story or otherwise but I assume their points can be valid. I play games that are family friendly because of the ideas they have, whatever gameplay or artstyle or whatever in them.

I'll play platformers for that reason not because oh it's for kids I couldn't care less I'll play because it has appealing elements to me just as much as a tonal different game. If it's a hack n slash you bet I will as I don't mind the silliness/parody/self awareness and the combat mechanics whether fighting robots, angels/demons or monsters doesn't bother me.

I mostly go for Nintendo games for the controller gimmicks and the variety of genres. I don't play Mario/Pokemon because their design doesn't appeal to me but I'll gladly Pikmin, Fire Emblem and others.

The JRPG mindset I mean since when did people go 'were Nintendo fans but we don't respect JRPG players' I always found it odd when people went 'eh Xenoblade or Fire Emblem or other JRPGs' during directs like you get enough other games to play if you look hard enough from third parties or Nintendo later in the year what are you people complaining about.

I mean I don't care for most JRPGs because of the mechanics, sometimes the stories can be compelling but if I see ones with compelling features I'll play them just as much as any other game. But I mean I only care for JRPG Tactics games really because of the small boards then in and out of battle and big worlds in western ones. Besides the strategy and unique features and funny dialogue.

I don't care for Pokemon because it has gameplay that doesn't interest me. I couldn't care less about the rest in it but do I think it stands out yes but is it also supposed to be accessible like COD is for people playing their first RPG or shooter also yes.

I think some people do get their 'my favourite company' side a bit too much. I moved on from Sony because their cinematic games aren't my thing but if that's their business now that's what it is. I've got all 3 consoles or more genres I've played now (to even retro games I can give my money to the second hand market I don't have to fun new games if I don't want to) so I have other choices.

I'm not bound to one platform maker nor their brands/how they adapt their brands in certain ways. That and I see how Nintendo handle Mario Sports games, I won't deny the old games had personality and gameplay ideas in them then just being a generic, add updates later and barely any exciting content to them sports games like now. I mean I like arcadey sports games but I won't deny they are getting pretty bad and I don't even play them.
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StarfireDragon said:
AkihitoZero1224 said:
Usually towards/against the newer games, Persona, other Nintendo franchises or owned, sometimes Final Fantasy and Disgaea.


I have never seen a Pokemon fan be "elitist" towards any other RPG series. And what you are describing for the newer games is people being dissapointed by the newer games, not elitism. There is nothing really wrong with that, considering they have definitely made a lot of questionable decisions in recent years.
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i don't think i've seen this before.

either way pokemon fans do have a track record for being some of the most obnoxious and toxic i don't see any reason to care now, does the fact they like pokemon have any correlation to it lol
Honestly I think StarfireDragon hit the nail on the head. In fact, some of the Pokémon fans that are becoming disappointed with the newer entries of the core series are starting to compare it to other RPGs that have things in it that they feel the franchise could take notes from. Maybe I'm a bit biased because I really empathize with those fans, but their concerns for the franchise are really understandable; in actuality I think some of the real toxic Pokémon fans are those insisting that there's nothing wrong with the games, saying that those who have complaints are doing it just to complain and be toxic, effectively shutting down these dissenting opinions in the process. Those types of fans are the real toxic ones in my opinion.

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Well a lot of fans of Pokemon are Gen X/Millenials who probably foster a sense of entitlement because of the nostalgia they had for the older games. They are probably conflating their nostalgia with how good the games used to be and get mad because newer games don't give that same sense of nostalgia for them anymore.
It's really not about nostalgia for some of these complaints about the newer games.

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AkihitoZero1224 said:
wolffanghameha said:
Elitist towards fans? Towards certain Pokemon games? Towards other games? In what way?
Usually towards/against the newer games, Persona, other Nintendo franchises or owned, sometimes Final Fantasy and Disgaea.
You know, I've never consciously thought about this, but it's been true in my experience. Self-professed Pokemon fans always act like their games are soooo much better than SMT, Persona, Disgaea, etc. They never understand why you don't care for the franchise, they always want to play 20 questions with you to figure out what it is you don't like about it, etc. I had one tell me once that Persona is bad because "Persona fans want to fuck underage characters." Strong cope. Wanting to bang an anime girl is a lot more normal than wanting to fuck fucking Gardevoir or Lopunny. Sick fucks. Rot in hell.
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I think some of the real toxic Pokémon fans are those insisting that there's nothing wrong with the games
How do they defend the way newer games lack great features that were present in older games?
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The consensus is very much divided on this lol. I'm guessing it all comes down to bias. I do think that one thing is for certain; in that there are a subset of Pokemon fans who are disappointed, and some who are fanboys for the sake of fanboys. In my personal experience, I have seen more of the former, or, at the very least, they are the more vocal ones (making trending hashtags and the like), and so, that is where I get my stance from. But I don't deny that Nintendo games typically do have a fanboyish fanbase a lot of the time.

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The consensus is very much divided on this lol. I'm guessing it all comes down to bias. I do think that one thing is for certain; in that there are a subset of Pokemon fans who are disappointed, and some who are fanboys for the sake of fanboys. In my personal experience, I have seen more of the former, or, at the very least, they are the more vocal ones (making trending hashtags and the like), and so, that is where I get my stance from. But I don't deny that Nintendo games typically do have a fanboyish fanbase a lot of the time.
Lot of these fans, happen to be minors as well too, you know easily impressionable kids so ofc, they'd think their opinon is the right one. And to quote mr.metokur, hearing a minors opinoin on anything should be seen as a human rights violation.

Also thankyougamefreak was absoultely fucking pathetic one its twitter a hell hole circlejerk and two yeah honestly game freak did deserve shit for delerving shit products like sword/shield they went a bit on the right track with arceus but yeah it still kind of went backwards with, the remakes of pearl/diamond and imo it should have been a octopath styled remake like live a live than a 3d one with poor source coding from the ds.

So yeah, Nintendo fans honestly annoy the hell out of me and no surprise at all either smash fans are massive groomers lol.

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Lucifrost said:
Fario-P said:
I think some of the real toxic Pokémon fans are those insisting that there's nothing wrong with the games
How do they defend the way newer games lack great features that were present in older games?
Honestly I have no idea anymore, I think I must've blocked that out of my memory cuz I just remember being annoyed and confused lol... I think I remember some saying that each generation tries to be their own thing and therefore removes features to make sure nothing is worse or better? That's one thing I guess... let's see if I can still find anything that describes what I was talking about earlier about some fans...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTAIMha_S9g
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/ds2qbv/the_forums_are_raging_now_but_there_is_even_more/?sort=controversial
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/jdxgfx/it_is_absolutely_unreal_how_mediocre_pokemon/?sort=controversial




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maybe i probably feel sad everyday
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Fario-P said:
Lucifrost said:
How do they defend the way newer games lack great features that were present in older games?
Honestly I have no idea anymore, I think I must've blocked that out of my memory cuz I just remember being annoyed and confused lol... I think I remember some saying that each generation tries to be their own thing and therefore removes features to make sure nothing is worse or better? That's one thing I guess... let's see if I can still find anything that describes what I was talking about earlier about some fans...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTAIMha_S9g
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/ds2qbv/the_forums_are_raging_now_but_there_is_even_more/?sort=controversial
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/jdxgfx/it_is_absolutely_unreal_how_mediocre_pokemon/?sort=controversial




yes i did kinda have to scrape tooth and nail for this so i'm probably not making any real arguments
yes i probably need to go outside
maybe i probably feel sad everyday
Oh yeah, i remember that persons posts. That dude is only just saying it just so he can swallow Nintendo's semen even though to be frank, Nintendo couldn't really care less at all about any of the people shilling for them as they don't even know they exist at all as the ultimate form of irony lol.

Also btw, that users posts is actually liable to being reported for flaming and stiring up shit as that goes against the rules here something to keep in mind. 

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All communities have elitists, its definitely not limited to just Pokemon.
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itt: an elitist complaining about elitists from other communities
as above said, every communities have elitist. pokemon has a really large fanbase, so you're likely to encounter obnoxious people.
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Pokemon fans being elitist doesn't sound real they're just SMT fans in the making then lmao
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People get passionate about stuff they like getting worse.  Pokémon fans snubbing other series as worse is something I never see.  Only kids would do that.  


Kids and some punkass, middle-aged Hawaiian woman both. Yes, that said old hag would stoop that low. That is, hating on games that have deeper stories than Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh and Zelda.

At least I'll have my PhD one day and that old Hawaiian will be serving my fries, but I doubt I'll want to meet her in a dreadful arid state called Nevada.

Texans are what again SpongeBob? Ever seen a Hawaiian as dense and hardheaded?

Must be easy to exclusively love Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Bleach and overly feminine shoujo manga like that old ingrate with the personality of a brick when you come from a backwater island.
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I've never seen an elitist Pokemon fan, only elitist Pokemon haters.

Regardless, you can be elitist about anything it doesn't have to be deep. You could be an elitist about eating glue if you wanted.
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Well, I did put this together based the opinions I've seen on Sword and Shield:



I had a lot of fun with Sword. Sure, some of the criticisms are fair, but it's the bits of incoherent and sophomoric rambling of how much they hate the games that makes me not want to talk to gamers anymore - like, I can't have a conversation with someone who just resorts to calling something dogshit ad nauseam as if there aren't more intelligent ways to describe things.

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