 Mastrophobia is the fear of breasts. This is often of female breasts, but can also occur from a man's pectoral muscles. |
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SeinenJump said: Back in the day, the way to catch the eyes of the primary targeted demographic (mostly teenage boys) was just skimpy outfits, but now that it's broadened and become more publicly acceptable as entertainment/an art form, production companies and creators are having to rely on artistic originality, quality animation, concepts and stories that have a broader appeal to demographics outside of male adolescent gamers Damn, even all the sparkling 80s shoujo and 2000s action shoujo magical girls were aimed at teenage boys? I never knew that |
SeinenJump said: Key qualifying word here being **mostly** Exept it's more like 50/50, maybe 60/40 |
| Literally nothing wrong with cleavage. Everybody has a chest And I say this as someone who absolutely hates ecchi. The way I see it, we should let people dress however they want, fictional or otherwise |
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| I agree with OP. I don't mind if it happens now and then, but if there are female characters that dress like that all the time, I won't recommend it to others. Just feel weird about it. If the anime is supposed to be somewhat realistic, it makes even less sense |
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FanofAction said: The males too then if we clothes don't matterBy that logic, clothes in general are completely irrelevant to the plot most of the time, so they might as well all be naked. |
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UberBat said: Kind of loses it's appeal when it's everywhere. Need to be more exclusive and less annoying. Support the small chested! Another issue is the lack of nipples on topless men in anime I disagree, it gains immensly in appeal when its everywhere, have you seen eiken and manyuu hikenchou ? need to be more ubiquitous and prominent. Support the big breasted. as to your third point, queen's blade has nipples on males too.  |
Lionalanda said: That's a trade off I'm willing to take. It's Japan, so everything below the waist would likely be censored for both anyways..FanofAction said: The males too then if we clothes don't matterBy that logic, clothes in general are completely irrelevant to the plot most of the time, so they might as well all be naked. |
leonardobarba said: I always wonder how someone like this reacts to cleavage in real life if it bothers them so much on a fictional characterWomen have breasts. We must accept this reality. |
FanofAction said: leonardobarba said: I always wonder how someone like this reacts to cleavage in real life if it bothers them so much on a fictional characterWomen have breasts. We must accept this reality. Projectile vomiting is my guess 🤣 |
DigiCat said: At that point I'd have to question if they were allergic to boobs or something. Sounds like a terrible way to live. FanofAction said: I always wonder how someone like this reacts to cleavage in real life if it bothers them so much on a fictional character Projectile vomiting is my guess 🤣 |
leonardobarba said: Women have breasts. We must accept this reality. I wholeheartedly accept and embrace that reality. |
leonardobarba said: If only everyone was so chill about it...FanofAction said: I always wonder how someone like this reacts to cleavage in real life if it bothers them so much on a fictional character Here in Brazil, warm, tropical weather, cleavages are commonplace and brazilians are not characters from an ecchi anime. So, it is not necessary to be hysterical because of some woman's cleavage... just respect. |
| Cleavage isn't inherently an issue, in my opinion, but it can get in the way of immersion. If it doesn't make sense for a character to dress provocatively, yet they do, it's a contradiction of their characterisation, which is bad for the coherency of the narrative. Every part of an anime can contribute to characterisation and character development, and appearance and costume are integral to that. In a way, it shows a lack of attention to detail by the studio/writers as to whether the character should be seen as sexual or not. Unnecessary sexualisation detracts from my enjoyment of a show, like anything else that can be overused in one. |
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| Tbh it isn't that hard to find series without much fanservice. But yeah I don't like constant cleavage either, looks tacky most of the time. A lot of the time fan servicey series don't even draw boobs well lol. I hate when a character is wearing a super revealing top where basically only the nipples would be covered but the placement is noticeably super off so it just looks like they don't have any. Or when they put a bunch of blush and shiny spots on them, so the characters look sick and covered in oil. Or when boobs are basically drawn as two spheres slapped onto their chests. |
| Everyone loves boobies and cleavage. Especially on a genre with many mediocre shows, of course they have to keep your attention with boobies. |
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ObserversAreFun said: I find your logic sound in theory, but most of the shows you're talking about are probably immersion breaking in many other ways as it is. Cleavage isn't inherently an issue, in my opinion, but it can get in the way of immersion. If it doesn't make sense for a character to dress provocatively, yet they do, it's a contradiction of their characterisation, which is bad for the coherency of the narrative. Every part of an anime can contribute to characterisation and character development, and appearance and costume are integral to that. In a way, it shows a lack of attention to detail by the studio/writers as to whether the character should be seen as sexual or not. Unnecessary sexualisation detracts from my enjoyment of a show, like anything else that can be overused in one. |
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| It's funny how modest fanservice is, XXL boobs on a loli character are common but pubic hair and nipples are a no-no. I don't get people who complain about fanservice, it can be done in a crude and annoying fashion, sure, but if I'm sifting through and there's no sexiness I count it as a negative (most Japanese media has dumb plots anyways, nothing some naked girls can't save.) Also, I think it's way harder to design a sexy male character than a female one, for some reason... Not like western media doesn't lean on sex appeal to sell, and boobs are pretty much a genetic marker for men to identify a woman as a desirable mate, I saw a video conference talking about this, men can notice a busty chest even while going 80 kph on a highway, so it's not even conscious, since the brain wouldn't have time to process visual information this far away and that fast. My preference leans more towards the modest but shapely, personally, and I pay more attention to what's below the belt. |
| “You’ve never succeeded at anything and you never will, and do you know why? Because you are vulgar, irremediably vulgar, and not only are you vulgar, you are ordinary.” - Maurice Pialat’s We Won't Grow Old Together (1972) |
| What is the problem of a woman wearing a cleavage? |
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| If it's a ecchi/hentai genre, sure why not? But other than that, it really depends on the scenario/scene. Or how you will execute it. |
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| A LOT of women wear revealing/tight clothing, both cleavage and ass ( mostly the latter ), even in the winter right now. So yea sorry to burst your precious bubble OP, but even women IRL like showing it off |
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| I am a boob man, so that's a very good trend, if it exists. I haven't really noticed. |
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DoctorWasabi said: Don't know what kind of nice winter you're having, but here everyone is wrapped up in as many layers as possible, even inside the homes to save on gasA LOT of women wear revealing/tight clothing, both cleavage and ass ( mostly the latter ), even in the winter right now. So yea sorry to burst your precious bubble OP, but even women IRL like showing it off |
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| cleavage is the reason the zygote is able to become an internet user that complains about cleavage |
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starflutter said: I know right, it's so weird seeing all high schoolers have misshapen boobs like they'd have a botched boob job... JKKH said: I never understood the shiny spots hahah these guys draw boobs like they're ballsacksTbh it isn't that hard to find series without much fanservice. But yeah I don't like constant cleavage either, looks tacky most of the time. A lot of the time fan servicey series don't even draw boobs well lol. I hate when a character is wearing a super revealing top where basically only the nipples would be covered but the placement is noticeably super off so it just looks like they don't have any. Or when they put a bunch of blush and shiny spots on them, so the characters look sick and covered in oil. Or when boobs are basically drawn as two spheres slapped onto their chests. |
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Usapz said: People have been exposed to "boobs=bad" so much they believe women shouldn't be able to show skin no matter what. What is the problem of a woman wearing a cleavage? |
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| OP probably realized it by now, but most anime fans are either horny teens, or awkward post-teens who struggle to interact with women. Extreme sexualization of characters is here to appeal to them, so asking them their opinion on it will lead to pretty unsurprising results. @FanofAction " I always wonder how someone like this reacts to cleavage in real life if it bothers them so much on a fictional character " They probably just ask "how much" because only hookers dress like hookers IRL. Look I like anime and all that shit, but... Like, lets just take Cowboy Bebop so nobody will torch me alive for shitting on some show I don't like. Look at how Faye Valentine is dressing. Did that ever bothered me IRL? No, it never bothered me IRL, because I have legit never seen anyone dress like that besides the sex workers in my music school's street lmao. And considering how everybody around her looks normal, it's just very strange that she dresses like some downtown hooker. |
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Deathko said: Does that make men in wifebeaters, shorts, open shirts, swim trunks, bare backs... hookers too?OP probably realized it by now, but most anime fans are either horny teens, or awkward post-teens who struggle to interact with women. Extreme sexualization of characters is here to appeal to them, so asking them their opinion on it will lead to pretty unsurprising results. @FanofAction " I always wonder how someone like this reacts to cleavage in real life if it bothers them so much on a fictional character " They probably just ask "how much" because only hookers dress like hookers IRL. Look I like anime and all that shit, but... Like, lets just take Cowboy Bebop so nobody will torch me alive for shitting on some show I don't like. Look at how Faye Valentine is dressing. Did that ever bothered me IRL? No, it never bothered me IRL, because I have legit never seen anyone dress like that besides the sex workers in my music school's street lmao. And considering how everybody around her looks normal, it's just very strange that she dresses like some downtown hooker. |
| “You’ve never succeeded at anything and you never will, and do you know why? Because you are vulgar, irremediably vulgar, and not only are you vulgar, you are ordinary.” - Maurice Pialat’s We Won't Grow Old Together (1972) |
| @DYNASTIA I cannot answer, I don't think I ever saw male hookers. I'm sure there are some out there. Note that the cowboy girl outfit doesn't bother me since TV hosts often have skimpy outfits, and I wouldn't be bothered by Faye either if every girl in the show was running around in shorts that barely covered their butts. Can't argue with fictional future's fashion trends. |
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| Nice. But in all seriousness, If a show is comedic and not very serious then I’d enjoy/expect a little fan service. However if a show very serious then cleavage used inappropriately will definitely ruin the mood of the show for me. |
| Isn't it something we see in our everyday life? I feel people who complain about this haven't went outside and breathing fresh air enough. Needless to say, it needs to be more common |
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Deathko said: They probably just ask "how much" because only hookers dress like hookers IRL. Look I like anime and all that shit, but... Like, lets just take Cowboy Bebop so nobody will torch me alive for shitting on some show I don't like. Look at how Faye Valentine is dressing. Did that ever bothered me IRL? No, it never bothered me IRL, because I have legit never seen anyone dress like that besides the sex workers in my music school's street lmao Enjoying your slut shaming? tomasowa said: To be fair, I can name a few places around the World that I've lived at, where people wear skimpy outfits all day long, even in formal settings: Sydney and Brisbane - Australia Denpasar and Kuta - Indonesia Honolulu - The United States Bangkok - Thailand Since these are places I've personally been, this is not second-hand information. From dawn to dusk, females wear bikinis and cover up with a sarong variant or pants for more formal-looking wear. Some are tourists but others are expatriates and locals who live and work in the area. Nobody bats an eyelid. Well, except virgin visitors popping their cherries seeing a place where females show their curves. My advice would be to pace themselves, open one eyelid at a time, and control their heart rate This is 100% true for most hot countries, the only women who cover up are the ones who do it for religious beliefs |
| @DigiCat It's not slut shaming. I have no problem with hookers or people who dress immodestly. If you live in a region of the world where people actually dress this way, I can understand your sentiment. I've just googled "Faye Valentine cosplay" and I can guarantee you I have never seen anyone dress like that in every day life, so Faye dressing like that without it being a noticeable fashion trend in the show seems like toxic male gaze and objectification to me. Now lets have a fight to see who's the most feminist of us. There's only room for one of us here! >:C |
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Deathko said: so Faye dressing like that without it being a noticeable fashion trend in the show seems like toxic male gaze Ah, so standing out and not following fashion trends is only for the male gaze, it couldn't possibly be because a woman is comfortable dressing that way or likes that style of clothing Doesn't sound like a very femminist way of thinking... |
| It's an overused trope now in modern anime and has certainly loss its appeal. |
| it look nice, who can deny, badonbka we like But like serious talk, it's problematic that so many women are dressed so lightly in a LOT of media and anime. I still like to see nice curves so I am not able to be super mad, just a bit... |
Nysse said: But like serious talk, it's problematic that so many women are dressed so lightly in a LOT of media and anime What makes it problamatic?? character limit |
| It's mostly the amount of media that makes it problematic imo. Since over sexualization of women and girls has been proven to be a factor in making sexism worse especially among young men. I really do wanna have a better less shit societies all over the world and in small ways it can be a bit improved. Also I would love to live in a world where guys are less like assholes towards women and anyone who isn't a straight male but not sure how many people here care about that kinda opinion. Also not all men, yes yes I know just too many imo. But I still emphasize that personally I ALSO like booba cleavage so like yeah just wanna have a bit less of it over all I guess. There are other great ways to make attractive female characters as well really other than over using BOBS. |
Nysse said: Also I would love to live in a world where guys are less like assholes towards women and anyone who isn't a straight male but not sure how many people here care about that kinda opinion. Also not all men, yes yes I know just too many imo. Damn, how have you met so many?? The way i see it, there's always gonna be assholes in the world (and this isn't exclusive to being a man or straight), but they tend to just be a loud minority in most cases |
| cleavage is the standard, so nothing wrong with it |
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