every1 is unhinged, mass psychosis, even normies are insane. what is happening???? ;____;

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rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:

rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:

rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:
I think it's wrong to assume that this kind of insane mentality of "us versus them" is limited to media and social media (though I believe that's where it's most common). It's also in politics, and that's probably where a lot of the energy comes from. The division between left and right is deeper than it has been in a while and there a lot of people responsible for that.

You could say that Trump played a large role in reducing the quality of political conversation. You could say the same for various people who are considered liberals or progressives. There are a lot of stories and people who seem to exist for no other reason than to add fuel to the fire, to keep it going and prevent meaningful conversation and compromise from happening. It sounds conspiratorial, sure, but all the media industry would have to do is shine a light and keep a light on these stories and people to produce the effect that we see.

My opinion is that we're reaching a point where it's likely some accountability will have to happen, and I hope it's the media and social media industries that are held accountable.

idk what ive been coming to is maybe its not us vs them. maybe we are all the same and just looking at different sides of the same damn thing,. and i agree its fucking conspiratorial, maybe not cus its not a conspiracy but. anything that looks at how things are and says, yaeh, lets keep going. that's death. we're in a fucking mass extinction event. lol. whether the cycle should go as death or life, that's a deeper question, but the basic question is pretty obvious, and most people seem to side on life, they just can't agree on how to do that & what should be done.

The conversation is infused with far too much hatred, and many people have internalized that hatred very deeply. People ride waves of popularity whenever they appeal to that hatred. There are also a lot of lonely people who innocently explore social media and end up in a community infused with hatred. It's tragic.

It's not the end of the world. But conversation must continue. Compromise must happen. One way or other it has to happen. If petty conflicts are all that's focused on then what can move forward? Media and social media are where the destructive energy tends to come from, but political figures add a fair share too. I think we have to reach a point where we identify malicious actors and remove them from the conversation. But can we reach that level of maturity?

i hope we can reach it i hope so... now that im coming back to posting on forums i feel like im making friends with all kinds of insane cool political ideas, while on twitter im stuck with this super small hole, lmao. hope that site burns.

That's a good way to word it, I think. I agree.

whatever politics is doesn't matter..... at the most fundamental level, there's cutting through all the bullshit and getting to what's really affecting u at the most fundamental level. thats what actually matters.

-Kokomi- said:
That sounds no different from the psychopathy of many a CEO. Hope for growth and understanding, not the opposite.

Dawizz said:
Now, now be careful each day that goes by, you, your gen is turning into the next, next gen "boomer"

Men I just wanna see the world crash and burn, the great reset, and see all the worm-squirming about, panicking, is going to be fun.

LOL i gotta say here tho i agree with dawizz. it goes with my weird dualism of life vs death, and the cyclical nature and beauty of that cycle. but maybe i dont cus i dont want to see it crash and burn, ive embraced not dying and i dont want to be a part of anything that could cause me to die ;___;

EDIT maybe id think otherwise once i'm dead but i'm not and im not gonna think for my dead self, i think for the living me.

I think that's a level of suffering that's hard to properly imagine, so wishing for it just seems naive to me.

I can understand the distaste for modern society. That's perfectly fine. But there are ways to solve every problem that exists. Not only that, there are ways to improve upon the situation so much that it goes well beyond anything in history. I don't even think it's optimism. It's just simple recognition of what's possible.

Nov 18, 2022 9:27 PM

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-Kokomi- said:

rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:

rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:

rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:
I think it's wrong to assume that this kind of insane mentality of "us versus them" is limited to media and social media (though I believe that's where it's most common). It's also in politics, and that's probably where a lot of the energy comes from. The division between left and right is deeper than it has been in a while and there a lot of people responsible for that.

You could say that Trump played a large role in reducing the quality of political conversation. You could say the same for various people who are considered liberals or progressives. There are a lot of stories and people who seem to exist for no other reason than to add fuel to the fire, to keep it going and prevent meaningful conversation and compromise from happening. It sounds conspiratorial, sure, but all the media industry would have to do is shine a light and keep a light on these stories and people to produce the effect that we see.

My opinion is that we're reaching a point where it's likely some accountability will have to happen, and I hope it's the media and social media industries that are held accountable.

idk what ive been coming to is maybe its not us vs them. maybe we are all the same and just looking at different sides of the same damn thing,. and i agree its fucking conspiratorial, maybe not cus its not a conspiracy but. anything that looks at how things are and says, yaeh, lets keep going. that's death. we're in a fucking mass extinction event. lol. whether the cycle should go as death or life, that's a deeper question, but the basic question is pretty obvious, and most people seem to side on life, they just can't agree on how to do that & what should be done.

The conversation is infused with far too much hatred, and many people have internalized that hatred very deeply. People ride waves of popularity whenever they appeal to that hatred. There are also a lot of lonely people who innocently explore social media and end up in a community infused with hatred. It's tragic.

It's not the end of the world. But conversation must continue. Compromise must happen. One way or other it has to happen. If petty conflicts are all that's focused on then what can move forward? Media and social media are where the destructive energy tends to come from, but political figures add a fair share too. I think we have to reach a point where we identify malicious actors and remove them from the conversation. But can we reach that level of maturity?

i hope we can reach it i hope so... now that im coming back to posting on forums i feel like im making friends with all kinds of insane cool political ideas, while on twitter im stuck with this super small hole, lmao. hope that site burns.

That's a good way to word it, I think. I agree.

whatever politics is doesn't matter..... at the most fundamental level, there's cutting through all the bullshit and getting to what's really affecting u at the most fundamental level. thats what actually matters.

LOL i gotta say here tho i agree with dawizz. it goes with my weird dualism of life vs death, and the cyclical nature and beauty of that cycle. but maybe i dont cus i dont want to see it crash and burn, ive embraced not dying and i dont want to be a part of anything that could cause me to die ;___;

EDIT maybe id think otherwise once i'm dead but i'm not and im not gonna think for my dead self, i think for the living me.

I think that's a level of suffering that's hard to properly imagine, so wishing for it just seems naive to me.

I can understand the distaste for modern society. That's perfectly fine. But there are ways to solve every problem that exists. Not only that, there are ways to improve upon the situation so much that it goes well beyond anything in history. I don't even think it's optimism. It's just simple recognition of what's possible.

HAHA you got my edit #1 but not my edit #2. where i continue to go back and forth

youre fucking right though i cant imagine that suffering. and ALSO youre right in the second paragraphy/sentence too which i think dawizz might also agree with lol seems like his shit about crashing and burnign.. like thats why u crash and burn right dawizz??? cus crashing and burning leads to new possibilities that seem closed off in the present. even tho they might not be, but , yeah crashng and burning is what it takes maybe not literally fire but fire of a sort.

this time MY EDIT: the negation of the negation moves forward history..... pls mensiuour or whwatever the intellectual frenchman is, i havent read hegel, im sorry im a pseud EDIT #2 actaully i have read part of the phenomenology lol but not much

rian2Nov 18, 2022 9:31 PM

Nov 18, 2022 9:29 PM

#54

Dawizz

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-Kokomi- said:

Dawizz said:

Now, now be careful each day that goes by, you, your gen is turning into the next, next gen "boomer"

Men I just wanna see the world crash and burn, the great reset, and see all the worm-squirming about, panicking, is going to be fun.

That sounds no different from the psychopathy of many a CEO. Hope for growth and understanding, not the opposite.

Let me tell you about an old sci fi tv show called Babylon 5, in that Universe you had the old races the Shadows and the Vorlons, those two were left in charge of the younger races by even older races than them.

The Vorlons believed in strength and growth through order and discipline, not chaos.

The Shadows believed that strength and growth came through conflict, and so they would start wars with the notion that those who survived would be stronger and better.

Now tell me, which one is right? Which one is us (mankind). I'll tell you which one I think is right, the Shadows are right, strength and growth through order and discipline leads to stagnation, dead ends and ultimately extinction.

While strenght and growth through conflict results in a push forward on so many fronts, in tech, in social advancement et cetera. If it wasn't for just the wars from 1800->1945 human society would still be stuck in pre industrial revolution. Forget everything we take for granted, antibiotics, woman voting, civil right et cetera, gone.

So, just maybe, those psyco CEO's are not so wrong after all.

Me every time I hear the word "reparations": 🤣🤣🤣

Nov 18, 2022 9:31 PM

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rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:

rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:

rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:

rian9999 said:

-Kokomi- said:
I think it's wrong to assume that this kind of insane mentality of "us versus them" is limited to media and social media (though I believe that's where it's most common). It's also in politics, and that's probably where a lot of the energy comes from. The division between left and right is deeper than it has been in a while and there a lot of people responsible for that.

You could say that Trump played a large role in reducing the quality of political conversation. You could say the same for various people who are considered liberals or progressives. There are a lot of stories and people who seem to exist for no other reason than to add fuel to the fire, to keep it going and prevent meaningful conversation and compromise from happening. It sounds conspiratorial, sure, but all the media industry would have to do is shine a light and keep a light on these stories and people to produce the effect that we see.

My opinion is that we're reaching a point where it's likely some accountability will have to happen, and I hope it's the media and social media industries that are held accountable.

idk what ive been coming to is maybe its not us vs them. maybe we are all the same and just looking at different sides of the same damn thing,. and i agree its fucking conspiratorial, maybe not cus its not a conspiracy but. anything that looks at how things are and says, yaeh, lets keep going. that's death. we're in a fucking mass extinction event. lol. whether the cycle should go as death or life, that's a deeper question, but the basic question is pretty obvious, and most people seem to side on life, they just can't agree on how to do that & what should be done.

The conversation is infused with far too much hatred, and many people have internalized that hatred very deeply. People ride waves of popularity whenever they appeal to that hatred. There are also a lot of lonely people who innocently explore social media and end up in a community infused with hatred. It's tragic.

It's not the end of the world. But conversation must continue. Compromise must happen. One way or other it has to happen. If petty conflicts are all that's focused on then what can move forward? Media and social media are where the destructive energy tends to come from, but political figures add a fair share too. I think we have to reach a point where we identify malicious actors and remove them from the conversation. But can we reach that level of maturity?

i hope we can reach it i hope so... now that im coming back to posting on forums i feel like im making friends with all kinds of insane cool political ideas, while on twitter im stuck with this super small hole, lmao. hope that site burns.

That's a good way to word it, I think. I agree.

whatever politics is doesn't matter..... at the most fundamental level, there's cutting through all the bullshit and getting to what's really affecting u at the most fundamental level. thats what actually matters.

-Kokomi- said:
That sounds no different from the psychopathy of many a CEO. Hope for growth and understanding, not the opposite.

Dawizz said:
Now, now be careful each day that goes by, you, your gen is turning into the next, next gen "boomer"

Men I just wanna see the world crash and burn, the great reset, and see all the worm-squirming about, panicking, is going to be fun.

LOL i gotta say here tho i agree with dawizz. it goes with my weird dualism of life vs death, and the cyclical nature and beauty of that cycle. but maybe i dont cus i dont want to see it crash and burn, ive embraced not dying and i dont want to be a part of anything that could cause me to die ;___;

EDIT maybe id think otherwise once i'm dead but i'm not and im not gonna think for my dead self, i think for the living me.

I think that's a level of suffering that's hard to properly imagine, so wishing for it just seems naive to me.

I can understand the distaste for modern society. That's perfectly fine. But there are ways to solve every problem that exists. Not only that, there are ways to improve upon the situation so much that it goes well beyond anything in history. I don't even think it's optimism. It's just simple recognition of what's possible.

HAHA you got my edit #1 but not my edit #2. where i continue to go back and forth

youre fucking right though i cant imagine that suffering. and ALSO youre right in the second paragraphy/sentence too which i think dawizz might also agree with lol seems like his shit about crashing and burnign.. like thats why u crash and burn right dawizz??? cus crashing and burning leads to new possibilities that seem closed off in the present. even tho they might not be, but , yeah crashng and burning is what it takes maybe not literally fire but fire of a sort.

this time MY EDIT: the negation of the negation moves forward history..... pls mensiuour or whwatever the intellectual frenchman is, i havent read hegel, im sorry im a pseud

That's a good point. If you take what he says in a more metaphorical sense it's much more sane and agreeable.

Nov 18, 2022 9:35 PM

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Dawizz said:

-Kokomi- said:

That sounds no different from the psychopathy of many a CEO. Hope for growth and understanding, not the opposite.

Let me tell you about an old sci fi tv show called Babylon 5, in that Universe you had the old races the Shadows and the Vorlons, those two were left in charge of the younger races by even older races than them.

The Vorlons believed in strength and growth through order and discipline, not chaos.

The Shadows believed that strength and growth came through conflict, and so they would start wars with the notion that those who survived would be stronger and better.

Now tell me, which one is right? Which one is us (mankind). I'll tell you which one I think is right, the Shadows are right, strength and growth through order and discipline leads to stagnation, dead ends and ultimately extinction.

While strenght and growth through conflict results in a push forward on so many fronts, in tech, in social advancement et cetera. If it wasn't for just the wars from 1800->1945 human society would still be stuck in pre industrial revolution. Forget everything we take for granted, antibiotics, woman voting, civil right et cetera, gone.

So, just maybe, those psyco CEO's are not so wrong after all.

They may be right in terms of methodology that creates strength, but that extremely streamlined thinking doesn't take into account the suffering that's caused or endured. Nor does it take into account other possibilities. The idea that we have to choose between these two choices is an illusion. There are elaborate mixtures that reduce suffering to a very small amount while maximizing "strength", and there are altogether different systems.

I think we should cover what "strength" is to a human being. It's not physical strength. Not even close. I wouldn't say, strictly speaking, it's logical or strategic intelligence either. I think it's how fine and elaborate human cooperation can be, especially when specialization is considered.

Nov 19, 2022 12:39 AM

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rian9999 said:
gotta give credit where credit's due turning off the TV staying off social media its good no matter whether or not u used those mediums to get ur opinions to stop using them (jk i like social media insofar as social media is my anime list dot net forums)

No one said otherwise and my background of saying so is not based on someone telling me so but instead me coming to my own conclusions on it based on thousands of hours of studying history [I counted every hour] and also me being a computer science major.

Railey on the other hand literally has never studied history and also completely lacks a higher education background and their entire post history is based off of reading online news articles and the 'experts' on the news lmao literally the most ironic person to be saying shit like "turn off the TV" [heck I don't even have cable TV and haven't had cable TV for over a decade].

Nov 19, 2022 1:10 AM

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The masses are lemmings or zombies if you will. Able to see no further ahead in time or distance than the phones held out in front of them.

Illusions, Mr. Anderson. Vagaries of perception. Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. We’re not here because we’re free. We’re here because we’re not free. There’s no escaping reason. No denying purpose. Because as we both know without purpose, we would not exist.

Nov 19, 2022 1:53 AM

#59

traed

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Railey2 said:
Here's some advice for everyone who is freaking out about "the state of the world", "where things are going", or thinks that "everyone has lost their minds":
Turn off your TV. Stay off social media. Unsubscribe from your newspaper.

News are designed to show the most extreme stories to you, because that's the news that sells. If you feel like everyone is going crazy, then you're clearly unable to filter the dramatised and cherrypicked. In that case, you should probably take a step back and reconsider your priorities. You started believing that everything that's in your feed is representative of real life, but that's not true. "Normal" doesn't tend to make the feed.

Of course that there's a lot of crazy shit happening in the world, but there's also a lot of boring, mundane, and not-so-crazy shit going on. You're overdosing on crazy because of the media you choose to consume, and apparently you can't handle it. So don't.

I'm seeing a few people in this thread alone who could really use this advice...

This is only true to a degree since it feels like it’s downplaying a bit. I dont need news to know the state of things when I have so many personal accounts from first person sources I personally know.

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Nov 19, 2022 2:14 AM

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@Railey2

You need to study the various religions and "real" science to understand what I am talking about. You also need to study "real" history like the Greek myths. Pretty much everything we have been taught in school is lies. Everything is backwards, upside down, and inside out in this world. Mainstream science is pretty much based on lies. "Real" science and religion are two sides to the same coin and they both lead to God.

Proof that God is real:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8v44qrU_Fdd7UN_XlUMpew
https://www.youtube.com/@GreggBradenOfficial
ORIENTAL ORIGINS in the BIBLE:
http://www.eifiles.cn/oo-en.htm
Solomon's Gold Series - The God Culture in Ophir, Philippines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xQlVOmRkg&list=PLru2qbCMGOi4PhVocfJEi1oZRRj0AWnzx&index=1
Emerald Tablets of Thoth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgjXps8NjmE

Nov 19, 2022 3:56 AM

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Cneq said:

Railey2 said:
Turn off your TV. Stay off social media. Unsubscribe from your newspaper.

Says the dumb ass who's opinions are entirely formed of what they see on the TV and internet media articles lmao holy shit the irony.

Also do I need to remind you that you've literally confirmed a plethora of times you haven't even studied history? By definition without studying history your opinions on the state of the world are simply uninformed.

Honestly insane you still find time to sit on MAL like this getting opinionated yet don't find the time to dedicate 2-3 hours a day actually studying, truly remarkable.

wow Cneq, you're still raw about our exchanges a few months back? Or maybe the sig is cutting deep?

When did I confirm that I didn't study history? The only time I can think of was when you brought up the "history of crypto", which I fully admit I don't care about, because I don't care about an industry that's half glorified gambling and half pump-and dump or ponzi-schemes.
Other than that, I'm actually pretty interested in history. But ey, more power to you. Keeping that rage inside you for so long, I think that's a talent to be admired. Keep it going lil bro, and don't forget..
that biography doesn't write itself!

Cneq said:
No one said otherwise and my background of saying so is not based on someone telling me so but instead me coming to my own conclusions on it based on thousands of hours of studying history [I counted every hour]

great meme, haha.

I came to my own conclusion after reviewing all the shit you've talked on here, and am happy to inform you that this is one of the top 10 most hilarious things you've ever said! [I counted every dumb post]

Railey2Nov 19, 2022 4:05 AM

*lampoons inwardly*

Nov 19, 2022 4:03 AM

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Vega369 said:
@Railey2

You need to study the various religions and "real" science to understand what I am talking about. You also need to study "real" history like the Greek myths. Pretty much everything we have been taught in school is lies. Everything is backwards, upside down, and inside out in this world. Mainstream science is pretty much based on lies. "Real" science and religion are two sides to the same coin and they both lead to God.

feel free to share your best nuggets of wisdom with us, though.

The biggest lies we've been told, and the biggest truths that have been kept from us.
The most relevant myths.
The way all of that relates to big claims like that the universe is ending.

Great cult leaders should also be great communicators. May as well practice a little bit

*lampoons inwardly*

Nov 19, 2022 7:48 AM

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Railey2 said:

Vega369 said:
@Railey2

You need to study the various religions and "real" science to understand what I am talking about. You also need to study "real" history like the Greek myths. Pretty much everything we have been taught in school is lies. Everything is backwards, upside down, and inside out in this world. Mainstream science is pretty much based on lies. "Real" science and religion are two sides to the same coin and they both lead to God.

feel free to share your best nuggets of wisdom with us, though.

The biggest lies we've been told, and the biggest truths that have been kept from us.
The most relevant myths.
The way all of that relates to big claims like that the universe is ending.

Great cult leaders should also be great communicators. May as well practice a little bit

I also suggest you meditate. With meditation, answers will come to you. I also suggest that you pray and ask God for answers. I suggest you read Metamorphoses by Ovid; this poem chronicles the history of the world. I suggest you read The Emerald Tablets of Thoth. I suggest you question everything. Keep on searching until you find what you are looking for. Always try to follow your own path. Only follow others when it feels right to follow them. Do what makes sense. Do what feels right. Listen to your gut.

I suggest that you go to these channels on YouTube for some answers:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8v44qrU_Fdd7UN_XlUMpew

https://www.youtube.com/@GreggBradenOfficial

Always have God on your mind.

Vega369Nov 19, 2022 7:53 AM

Proof that God is real:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8v44qrU_Fdd7UN_XlUMpew
https://www.youtube.com/@GreggBradenOfficial
ORIENTAL ORIGINS in the BIBLE:
http://www.eifiles.cn/oo-en.htm
Solomon's Gold Series - The God Culture in Ophir, Philippines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xQlVOmRkg&list=PLru2qbCMGOi4PhVocfJEi1oZRRj0AWnzx&index=1
Emerald Tablets of Thoth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgjXps8NjmE

Nov 19, 2022 7:51 AM

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Not really, I think most Americans are just chronically online and suffer brain damage from it.

Nov 19, 2022 8:21 AM

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Vega369 said:

Railey2 said:

feel free to share your best nuggets of wisdom with us, though.

The biggest lies we've been told, and the biggest truths that have been kept from us.
The most relevant myths.
The way all of that relates to big claims like that the universe is ending.

Great cult leaders should also be great communicators. May as well practice a little bit

I also suggest you meditate. With meditation, answers will come to you. I also suggest that you pray and ask God for answers. I suggest you read Metamorphoses by Ovid; this poem chronicles the history of the world. I suggest you read The Emerald Tablets of Thoth. I suggest you question everything. Keep on searching until you find what you are looking for. Always try to follow your own path. Only follow others when it feels right to follow them. Do what makes sense. Do what feels right. Listen to your gut.

I suggest that you go to these channels on YouTube for some answers:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8v44qrU_Fdd7UN_XlUMpew

https://www.youtube.com/@GreggBradenOfficial

Always have God on your mind.

brilliant, thank you.
Mudfossil guy is talking about using lasers that go over the speed of light (?) to generate "free energy" and solve everyone's energy issues.
Gregg Braden thinks that emotions change our DNA (??).

I'm feeling enlightened already. These guys are beyond all of us.

*lampoons inwardly*

Nov 19, 2022 3:47 PM

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Railey2 said:
wow Cneq, you're still raw about our exchanges a few months back?

Says the one who literally just confirmed you remember conversations from a year ago that I don't even remember having lmao you're absolutely obsessed buddy.

What happened to that cute little "hur hur this is a result of bad education!" or some shit about noboru that you added to your sig that I called you out on and then you removed like the little obsessed freak that you are? It's honestly hard to say whether you lack self-awareness or not to how absolutely cringeworthy you actions are but shit in that instance you seemed to gain some.

Railey2 said:
I came to my own conclusion after reviewing all the shit you've talked on here, and am happy to inform you that this is one of the top 10 most hilarious things you've ever said! [I counted every dumb post]

Yep, totally not obsessive buddy. Which post? my original post or the one you are quoting? I'm sure everyone would love to hear what issues you had with it with your incredibly diverse and enlightened background of being a non-college educated 9-5 wage cager who's most likely never even lived abroad [heck probably not even you're own state] and most likely doesn't have thousands of hours of studying ANYTHING yet seems to be opinionated on everything.

Your knowledgebase and experience is absolutely non-existence and everything you spew on here is uninformed by definition.

I mean holy good just look at this:

"which I fully admit I don't care about, because I don't care about an industry that's half glorified gambling and half pump-and dump or ponzi-schemes."

Yes, despite having absolutely no background in distributed systems, cryptography, development or digital economies you still generalize a TECHNOLOGY [one you must likely only got more opinionated about post 2020, once again, as a result of the media telling you to care] as being entirely "glorified gambling" and "pump and pump schemes" which is completely false.

Your entire worldview is completely based on absorbing and regurgitating the opinions of others like some type of parasite and thus not only do you never achieve understanding you also still remain opinionated on topics that by definition due to your lack of knowledgebase and experience would be classed as uninformed.

And sorry to break your bubble but "hur hur other than that, I'm actually pretty interested in history." is irrelevant, many people are interested in history yet never actually put in the thousands of hours to actually become well-versed in it and even ten thousand hours into a single subset such as modern Chinese history would still be incomplete and for periods that last centuries or millennia such as if you were studying ancient china, ancient greece, ancient india, persia, rome ten thousand hours would be absolutely nothing when trying to tackle these.

And thus even for the most generalized understanding of history of covering all nations, key ideas, philosophy, history of science, theology, economics, law, political theory, key individuals, war, technology etc requires thousands upon thousands of hours to even gain that very [quite frankly shallow] understanding of history and considering understanding history cannot be a result of studying in a vacuum [i.e only studying modern Chinese history] you are required to get a generalized view [which takes thousands of hours] of all major nations and how they have changed throughout time periods and everything in between that has importance to those changes [such as war, economics, philosophy, technology, science, geopolitics etc etc]. Everything is connected and everything matters.

And by those thousands of hours I literally mean to go read all important classics all the way from the vestiges to the quran to adam smith to marx from darwin to laozi to the vedas to plato and everything in between as well as taking your study material entirely by ripping undergrad history major coursework [which is completely findable online] and reading all required readings and following that coursework to a T. Couple that with extensive alternate study like finishing the history of rome by mike duncan, history of china by chris stewart, history of byzantium, history of ancient greece, persia and the list goes on coupled with history books that are more niche to history undergrads such as on the history of Indonesia, modern day Iran and others that are not taught frequently.

If you have done this and do this on a daily basis for many years then yes, you may say you "study history" yet if you do not you are by definition uninformed and LITERALLY do not have the knowledgebase to get opinionated on something as abstract as the "current state of the world" like are you fucking kidding me mate? lmao you seriously need to learn some humility because holy shit you seem completely oblivious to what actually being "educated" entails.

Once again buddy, get off MAL and go spend time studying daily. If a computer science major who's also working full-time has the ability to slot in 2-3 hours a day [usually on commute/at night] to study you literally have no excuse, stop being wilfully ignorant and opinionated and go get educated.

Nov 19, 2022 4:08 PM

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@Cneq Just so you know, I'm not gonna read any of that.
But I'm happy for you.
Or sorry that happened.

I hope we can continue this relationship where I make an innocuous post, then you show up with an incredibly aggressive response because you're still upset for some reason (jeez man, figure it out), then I make fun of you (as is proper), which prompts you to have an epic freakout that takes you 2 hours to write and that I won't read. And then I make fun of you one last time.
Let's see, guess I need to read a little bit after all to find some material... good thing you never take long to give us something funny.

MAL's own crypto supergenius Cneq who also spent thousands of hours reading history said:
like the little obsessed freak that you are?

another peak self-awareness moment here. Look at my posts in this thread. Then look at yours. Who is the obsessed one?

It's been good Cneq, see you in another thread! Lmao

*lampoons inwardly*

Nov 19, 2022 4:21 PM

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rian9999 said:
oh shit okay so civil is where the state isn't directly involved from the outset?? its funny i know my terms from marxism (because of fucking course i do) and its public vs private, where private is your toothbrush and public is your SEEDBOX loaded with 5000tb of anime torrents you seed or whatever. cus depending on ur interpreation of marx and where we are in relation you will either say go SEED thats based or stop seeding or something bcus its not based praxis illegalistpilled. but i literally dont know what the marxist definition of politics is, or civil, just private LMAO cus thats the public vs private property distinction cus people talk about that a lot for whatever reason XD its a fucking stupid distinction within the marxist framework but outside that if youre looking from another framework u think "ohh god the government owns my toothbrush" the marxist says "why the fuck would i take ur toothbrush u dumbass"

Yes, the police are motivated by political interests, rather than their own private interests, since they are funded, and take orders, from the state. I wouldn't say that doing drugs applies in a civic context. The sale, purchase, and consumption of drugs would all be private matters. And it is political interests that are the ones that impose regulations on such exchanges.

As for the Marxian distinction of politics, well, there really isn't any. To the Marxist, everything is political. The only thing that matters, is the interests of the working class. And that is a very important distinction, from a working class individual, by the way. If you gain capital, as a working class individual, to start your own business, you are still against the interests of the proletariat, as a class, because you may be perceived as a "Mini-Bourgeoisie", since the ownership of capital is "exploitative" in Marxist terms.

rian9999 said:
jesus fuckigns hsit...

Lol don't worry, it's not that important, if you don't know about it. If you where to tune into a news broadcast, at the time, it would be just another unhinged psycho who killed some people. But I first heard about this story through the lens of an online creator, named Mumkey Jones, who had a fascination with mental health issues, and dejected people like that. But, I do, firmly believe that Alek was the reason why we see the use of the term incel so often, now.

This ground is soiled by those before me and their lies. I dare not look up for on me I feel their eyes

Nov 19, 2022 4:22 PM

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Railey2 said:
@Cneq Just so you know, I'm not gonna read any of that.
But I'm happy for you.
Or sorry that happened.

I hope we can continue this relationship where I make an innocuous post, then you show up with an incredibly aggressive response because you're still upset for some reason (jeez man, figure it out), then I make fun of you (as is proper), which prompts you to have an epic freakout that takes you 2 hours to write and that I won't read. And then I make fun of you one last time.
Let's see, guess I need to read a little bit after all to find some material... good thing you never take long to give us something funny.

MAL's own crypto supergenius Cneq who also spent thousands of hours reading history said:
like the little obsessed freak that you are?

another peak self-awareness moment here. Look at my posts in this thread. Then look at yours. Who is the obsessed one?

It's been good Cneq, see you in another thread! Lmao

Yep buddy, definitely didn't read a post you hopped onto MAL specifically for [like the obsessed no life freak you are] and realized you had zero ability to actually refute what has been said. Lmao absolutely killing it buddy, but thanks for the compliment that a post written in 7 minutes took "2 hours to write" don't worry cupcake, maybe if you actually went to college you would also have that ability due to writing 50+ page case studies and reports on a weekly basis.

Railey2 said:
another peak self-awareness moment here. Look at my posts in this thread. Then look at yours. Who is the obsessed one?

Hm, let me have a guess, probably the one who unironically took time out of their day to fill their signature on MY ANIME LIST [lmao] out of spite at internet strangers that called you out for being the uneducated wagie that you are? and then even felt so ashamed that you literally change it after getting called out on it. I mean mate, I've been on the internet since 2008 and I've NEVER seen something act that obsessed, literally. Most people actually have self-awareness that "hey, isn't that a bit fucking cringe?" and backstep [which is what you did originally after removing your cringe comment about noboru] but shit man I guess that small amount of self-awareness can only do so much considering you're still at it lmao

Although the most hilarious thing is that you're oblivious to the fact that advertising that I'm literally an early investor [who made a shit ton of money] is somehow a "hur hur got u hur hur imma put it in my sig like the obsessed freak that I am hur hur" like buddy, do you get off on parading around my achievements? I know they must seem like a lot to a non-college educated landlocked wagie like yourself but it really isn't much.

Nov 19, 2022 4:26 PM

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Nothing to worry about while you've got the 5-hour long Railey x Cneq porno to look forward to.

Nov 19, 2022 4:29 PM

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@Cneq oh no you're even more mad now. I can tell because you've started flexing with your money again, you only do that when you're real far gone.

most self-aware MAL user, calling someone obsessed while following them like a rabid dog said:
I've been on the internet since 2008 and I've NEVER seen something act that obsessed

just give it a break Cneq. Don't you have history-books to read? And hours of reading to count? And deals in the first main instance of a digital itemized economy forming naturally in all human history (also the precursor of NFTs) to make?

You got this lil bro, don't let your unsettling hatred weigh you down.

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Scud said:
Nothing to worry about while you've got the 5-hour long Railey x Cneq porno to look forward to.

I really don't know what to do anymore. He just keeps coming, do you think he's gonna try again to show off with what he was supposedly doing at 12 years old? That one really threw me for a loop the last time it happened. I'd kinda like to see it again, just for the hell of it.

*lampoons inwardly*

Nov 19, 2022 4:33 PM

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@Railey2
@Cneq

Just get a room and fuck already. Let it all go as that Disney song says.

Mao said:
If you have to shit, shit! If you have to fart, fart!

Nov 19, 2022 4:41 PM

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Mommyboy said:
@cneq i for one actually read your post. I personally do not study like that almost at all. But wouldn't studying just by dedicating time to studying and not getting any experience in the field hands on even having any real meaning. Like isnt studying just so that you dont make too many noob mistakes and waste too much time when starting. Like an actually competent person with just the most basic knowledge and minimal help should be able to learn anything on the job. But formal education is there to help the incompetent to bridge the gap between them and the competent.

It depends on the field and in my post I'm only speaking about history and things that are directly related to history [such as political theory, economics, philosophy, theology, technology etc] and unless you're writing formal publications, teaching and/or in some subsect like archaeology there really isn't a lot of "applied history" you can actually do [which is the case in undergrad if you're a history major, it's all "study" or as they would say "learning"].

Of course you can use that knowledgebase on history in a applied setting in any other field that may require someone with a historical background but that isn't really going to change your knowledgebase on history in general and thus the main route of actually learning history is simply researching and studying it.

In something more applied like computer science the very act of "studying" anything is practically applying it, you study the theory and then you apply it. For example one can "study" the theory behind petri nets, workflow nets and general graph theory yet if you haven't tried and or failed to apply it such as making petri nets in something like WoPeD and having that tested by a third party you really haven't "studied" the whole of what needs to be studied.

Where as with history it is far more about establishing a very large knowledge base that only grows deeper and deeper in it's layers of abstraction and thus as time goes on [as you develop and larger and larger knowledgebase] you can begin to see correlations between different nations, events, ideology and more and of course since delving into more niche subsets of history require a general view of history as a pre-requisite as times goes on you will be able to study more niche subsets of a certain area and most likely that new found understanding may lead to a more nuanced view on all of history itself.

Of course to avoid issues of bad learning material simply scraping coursework of undergrad history majors from different universities can help alleviate this and just by being aware that historians have quite diverse opinions and how that may affect your own learning can help you to pick up on any bias [which is incredibly important if you even touch Herodotus and any other more ancient historians] and thus with a open-mind and honest intent on seeking understanding you can without a doubt study history and with history having a far more theoretical foundation than something like computer science as long as you are pursuing the right resources it is completely doable.

Nov 19, 2022 6:12 PM

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Railey2 said:

Mudfossil guy is talking about using lasers that go over the speed of light (?) to generate "free energy" and solve everyone's energy issues.
Gregg Braden thinks that emotions change our DNA (??).

I'm feeling enlightened already. These guys are beyond all of us.

Never heard of that Gregg guy but there is evidence epigenetics may be influenced by emotions. Epigenetic changes dont change the gene sequence but rather gene expression
https://www.science.org/content/article/parents-emotional-trauma-may-change-their-children-s-biology-studies-mice-show-how
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.01767/full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004222012251

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Nov 19, 2022 8:49 PM

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I wish someone would argue with me the way Cneq and Railey argue with each other. What an experience.

Nov 20, 2022 2:35 AM

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The prophet stared at his crystal ball
There's no vision there at all
The prophet looked at me and laughed at me (ha ha) He said:
He said you're blind, too blind to see
Ohhh said that you're too blind to see

Nov 20, 2022 4:46 AM

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Dawizz said:

-Kokomi- said:

That sounds no different from the psychopathy of many a CEO. Hope for growth and understanding, not the opposite.

Let me tell you about an old sci fi tv show called Babylon 5, in that Universe you had the old races the Shadows and the Vorlons, those two were left in charge of the younger races by even older races than them.

The Vorlons believed in strength and growth through order and discipline, not chaos.

The Shadows believed that strength and growth came through conflict, and so they would start wars with the notion that those who survived would be stronger and better.

Now tell me, which one is right? Which one is us (mankind). I'll tell you which one I think is right, the Shadows are right, strength and growth through order and discipline leads to stagnation, dead ends and ultimately extinction.

While strenght and growth through conflict results in a push forward on so many fronts, in tech, in social advancement et cetera. If it wasn't for just the wars from 1800->1945 human society would still be stuck in pre industrial revolution. Forget everything we take for granted, antibiotics, woman voting, civil right et cetera, gone.

So, just maybe, those psyco CEO's are not so wrong after all.

That is a bad reason to start wars. I have huge difference in values with Dawizz.

However I have other reason to support war.

First is war reduces population count by keeling people. There is shortage of rental properties or jobs, if we can't increase number of homes so there is enough for people to live in them may be just kill off the surplus. The rest will have better quality of life, thing I very much value.

World population grows crazy high and there is shortage of everything, but people. 15 years ago was 6 billion now it is 7 billions, stiop making babies already. High time to shrink the numbers.

Pandemics and plague could achieve same outcomes without causing damage to housing, which is even better than war.

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Nov 20, 2022 4:59 AM

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For risk of sounding like an out-of-touch boomer, I partially blame TikTok becoming a space where people discuss sociopolitical shit. The way it incentivizes snappy takedowns over nuance is why so many zoomers are so unhinged and have the worst fucking takes imaginable.

Take care of yourself

Nov 20, 2022 5:22 AM

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Some people profit more from people going crazy

-Kokomi- said:
I wish someone would argue with me the way Cneq and Railey argue with each other. What an experience.

Not sure if you meant it for real or just joking, but it gets very tedious fast. This is not the kind of meaningful conversation that you seek and that I've given up on as well here

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Nov 20, 2022 5:46 AM

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is it jjust me or is the vast majority of people becoming very unhinged and insane in the past couple years?? like its become the norm now, even total normies are going crazy.

a few years ago, you say incel you mean browsing wizardchan hasn't left the room in years. now, random person on the street is like "yeah incels are gonna rape and kill me"

and its not just incels, take china, russia, for examples. i dont know whats happening but there is something isnt there??? and its not just politicization, eveything is political, a lack of politicization is a politicization in a fukuyama sort of thing. is it covid?? idk maybe in a sense, but that seems like a bad explanation, theres puzzle pieces missing.

im worreid we will have an actual nuclear war in the next 10 yrs if this keeps up....

I think it's just that we're getting older and understanding "it"? :p ..I feel this way sometimes, and I tell my father about it, he said "You're getting older and your eyes are opening" or something like that or mocks my love for humanity.. my father thinks 99.9 % of the people are unhinged or "insane" in his words, while I can see how.. I think it is more than just that, we're all multi-dimensional, and there is more to us, that is 'good', and therefore helps the world go round. We all have mental health issues, as we can understand life only so much, at any given point of time, and therefore end up looking/being lop-sided or unhinged mentally.

Nov 20, 2022 5:48 AM

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For risk of sounding like an out-of-touch boomer, I partially blame TikTok becoming a space where people discuss sociopolitical shit. The way it incentivizes snappy takedowns over nuance is why so many zoomers are so unhinged and have the worst fucking takes imaginable.

the same happens on boomer places like maltbh. evidence is the argument above. only insults, nothing meaningful. what will bragging abt reading thousands of hours of history accomplish when one hasn't mentioned anything history related in any of ones posts?

Nov 20, 2022 6:07 AM

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Verthandi11 said:

the same happens on boomer places like maltbh. evidence is the argument above. only insults, nothing meaningful. what will bragging abt reading thousands of hours of history accomplish when one hasn't mentioned anything history related in any of ones posts?

I might be somewhat wrong but what cneq doesn't realize is that as long as you are actually doing your best it doesnt matter if you are "studying" or just living life, like he berates railey for not studying but i dont see that making railey any lower cuz i can see that railey know how to use his brain well as well. As long as you can use your brain well it doesnt matter if you study formally or just live life.

But there are benefits to studying something as useless as history, i say useless because in your life where will it be that knowing history will help solve something? Ok i'm not a retard myself, i know the importance of knowing history, to me its important as it helps give me a better and more solidified understanding if things. Also cneq replied to me before and mentioned history and said how important it is to know history to get a complete answer and i agree, history is very important. But its got diminishing return the time is better spent on other things for most of us. That said i'll say for cneq maybe it actually is worth it just for that. But cneq is a studier and the benefits are not just that. You are trying to make fun of him spending that much time on something that you think is (... i'll comeback to this pist i gtg)

the only thing im criticising is having to proclaim your credentials every time u open ur mouth but never ever actually using those skills that will make ppl believe u have them. it doesn't matter how many history books uve read if u never use that knowledge to form a meaningful argument, u know? knowledge is nothing if u dont use it

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Like one band said in their interview from 3 years ago: "There’s a Chinese curse that says ‘may you live in interesting times’ and, at 23:58, we definitely are. Nukes would be a disappointing finale."

Nov 20, 2022 12:03 PM

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Actually a lot of it is just people online. I notice a lot more of this in like twitter, YT, instagram, even mal, but in real majority are fine.

People can get away with anything online so you are gonna see a lot more controversial arguing and influencers going crazy.

Nov 20, 2022 1:32 PM

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Nov 20, 2022 1:47 PM

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Acting like normies haven't always had a toe in reality and a foot in socially constructed insanity.

It takes a village you know.

Nov 20, 2022 4:41 PM

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I really have no idea what is what and what isn't.

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Acting like normies haven't always had a toe in reality and a foot in socially constructed insanity.

It takes a village you know.

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Nov 20, 2022 6:08 PM

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Some people profit more from people going crazy

-Kokomi- said:
I wish someone would argue with me the way Cneq and Railey argue with each other. What an experience.

Not sure if you meant it for real or just joking, but it gets very tedious fast. This is not the kind of meaningful conversation that you seek and that I've given up on as well here

An argument is better than nothing. I also find both Cneq and Railey charismatic. Both are gifted people who are capable of a lot. It's interesting to see them argue.

I mostly agree with you though. Meaningful conversation is something that normally happens in private, where a certain degree of privacy is expected. Like in a developed friendship, with someone you've known for years. Otherwise you'll receive the very tip of the iceberg of the other person. I get that.

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Nov 20, 2022 6:17 PM

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(Fallout voice) Incels...Incels never change.

Nov 20, 2022 6:25 PM

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(Fallout voice) Incels...Incels never change.

What is an incel? I feel like I missed this whole conversation. Could you help me out?

Nov 20, 2022 11:06 PM

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What really puzzles me though, is why do you treat war like it is some sport that people do because it develops something.

Like some corporations arrange it because it benefits them in some way, ridiculous.

It is not like people can simply choose to live without it yet do not.

Caesar once said 'If you want peace prepare for war.'

War happens because there are irreconcilable differences. In this case irreconcilable differences between countries governed like a liberal democracies and countries, governed like a totalitarian dictatorships.

Civilization, quality of life and freedom, that exists in the western world, has to be protected from places like China and Russia. Western Military and NATO are the only thing that prevents Russia and China from sending us all into North Korea style concentration camps.

See North Korea if you want a good example of enemy of the west. North Korea is not just an outlying case of crazy country but a sample of the alternative totalitarian dictatorial world order that also exist in China and Russia, but better hidden from the casual observer. It is not just North Korea, China has similar concentration camps, it is just better at hiding its own dirty secrets.

Russia is king of discreetness of course. Back in the days it was USSR, who taught China and North Korea how to run a country after all. We can only guess what they are doing down there.

If you do not see any Russian direct interference in you life, it does not mean they are not doing it. Remember that troll army, Russia cultivates. They are not doing it out of stupidity, they use it to spread lies and confusion in order to destroy the US and the West from within. There are also likely a lot of clandestine sabotage they doing in the US and the West to make our lives worse and more miserable. To stop this toxic influence, Russia has to be destroyed.

If you think that war in Ukraine has nothing to do with you personally then you are wrong, There was once this insignificant country in the middle of nowhere, so far away from the US and the West that it would never matter to the latter what happened there. Yet on 9/11 AlQaeda from this country arranged the infamous terrorist attacks. Suddenly what happens in Afghanistan affected the US on the other end of the globe.

Therefore it is better to US and the West to fight this battle now than wait. Because if you let Russia grow stronger it will be harder to deal with them.

Ukraine is closer to the US geographically and more important for global economy. Ukraine fights this fight not only for itself but also the us all. So we need to support it for our sake, not just for theirs.

US and Ukraine can improve on tactics though. Since Russian army draft is basically an impressment system, worse that Royal Navy had back in the days. Common soldiers are not only forced into service much like criminals into prisons, but they are also threatened with prison or even death penalty if they desert. More loyal soldiers guard the rest to prevent them from deserting. US and Ukraine should take advantage of that fact.

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-Kokomi- said:
An argument is better than nothing. I also find both Cneq and Railey charismatic. Both are gifted people who are capable of a lot. It's interesting to see them argue.

I mostly agree with you though. Meaningful conversation is something that normally happens in private, where a certain degree of privacy is expected. Like in a develop friendship, with someone you've known for years. Otherwise you'll receive the very tip of the iceberg of the other person. I get that.

Yes, both have their ways with words, but it gets boring fast enough for me that at one point, I just start to skim through it. Still waiting for the random obsession about me to vanish

I'm not sure about that. You can get quite deep in selective areas without finding any meaning in it. You can know people for years and be on each other's contact lists without actually becoming friends
You can think you have become friends only to be proven otherwise later on
This all makes me think that there is no meaning in trying to find meaning in conversations

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Nov 20, 2022 11:17 PM

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Noboru said:

-Kokomi- said:
An argument is better than nothing. I also find both Cneq and Railey charismatic. Both are gifted people who are capable of a lot. It's interesting to see them argue.

I mostly agree with you though. Meaningful conversation is something that normally happens in private, where a certain degree of privacy is expected. Like in a develop friendship, with someone you've known for years. Otherwise you'll receive the very tip of the iceberg of the other person. I get that.

Yes, both have their ways with words, but it gets boring fast enough for me that at one point, I just start to skim through it. Still waiting for the random obsession about me to vanish

I'm not sure about that. You can get quite deep in selective areas without finding any meaning in it. You can know people for years and be on each other's contact lists without actually becoming friends
You can think you have become friends only to be proven otherwise later on
This all makes me think that there is no meaning in trying to find meaning in conversations

The meaning is different for each person. For me the meaning is to develop my understanding by learning about different perspectives. It's hard to do that when everyone is so stingy with their words.

Nov 20, 2022 11:25 PM

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-Kokomi- said:

Zekkenshin said:
(Fallout voice) Incels...Incels never change.

What is an incel? I feel like I missed this whole conversation. Could you help me out?

Incel is all short men and ugly men who no women would never have kids with. Most are just normal males who will likely never get married or raise a family, but work a normal wagey job. Age can decrease looks like with balding so even normies can fall into incel status. The healthiest thing to do about it is accept it and move on if you are a guy.

Nov 20, 2022 11:28 PM

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