too much animation? why mappa?

IAMGOD_6969 said:
why are they putting effort in character acting for not so important scenes too? instead if they put effort in making fights in 2d, it would be better no? the comedy was also ruined heavily in this ep due to character acting. Not to mention the muscle devil fight has been omited completely cause they have to focus on character acting in every single fucking scene

IAMGOD_6969 said:
why are they putting effort in character acting for not so important scenes too?

instead if they put effort in making fights in 2d, it would be better no?

the comedy was also ruined heavily in this ep due to character acting.

Not to mention the muscle devil fight has been omited completely

cause they have to focus on character acting in every single fucking scene

The_Chainsaw_Man said:
too much animation lmao 🤣 bros gotta be trolling

NoviSun said:
That's my reading too. This forum is infested by a whole family of them. It looks like their leaders Mom put him on internet restrictions for the day as he hasn't made an appearance yet, but I'm keeping an eye on it.

IAMGOD_6969 said:
instead if they put effort in making fights in 2d, it would be better no?

King_KK said:
Imagine complaining about amazing animation in an anime. I never knew people could get this dumb.

Nirinbo said:

It should be obvious, but if you're asking this it apparently isn't: animating action is several orders of magnitude harder than just characters talking.

The muscle devil appearing right there was too much of a coincidence, so removing it improved the quality of the writing. However, I admit that the main reason was saving budget.

I agree with the concerns about the comedy, MAPPA's adaptation of Dorohedoro seemed to do it better.

zarrapha said:
No, animating action is easier than character acting, everybody who has ever tried to animate emotional character scenes will agree with me.

With action, you have to have complex knowledge in making scenes flow smoothly. You also need to know how to make action feel impactful and real. It is easier to animate action because you can get away with a lot more; Also because of suspension of disbelief.

Now with character acting, you now have to deal with a lot more variables because you're trying to mimic real life gestures and movement as closely as you can. You have to portray emotions clearly and smoothly, as there are many nuances to real life interactions. This is why rotoscope exists, because drawing people doing people things is incredibly difficult. This is why you rarely see character acting as good as Chainsaw Man's.

King_KK said:
Imagine complaining about amazing animation in an anime. I never knew people could get this dumb.

IAMGOD_6969 said:
why are they putting effort in character acting for not so important scenes too? instead if they put effort in making fights in 2d, it would be better no? the comedy was also ruined heavily in this ep due to character acting. Not to mention the muscle devil fight has been omited completely cause they have to focus on character acting in every single fucking scene

Nirinbo said:

You're basically admitting that action scenes are so hard to animate that no one would even consider demanding from them the same attention to details of good character acting scenes.

Still an interesting point of view, I'd like to see some actual data on the Japanese anime industry about it (the only thing I know is that the TV anime with the highest budget are all battle shounen).

zarrapha said:
Action animation is easier to do because it's inherently fast. In an action scene, you will not care much about the weird smears and stretching unless you pause. This is what I mean by action animation getting away with neglecting some parts of animation, the details per frame are substantially lower.

In fights, you can use easier, quicker animation techniques to imply movement while your brain fills in the rest. In character acting, the movement is the entirety of the substance. You can cheap out a bit on fights by playing with camera angles, effects and such and make them easier to animate, and if done right it can still look like a good fight scene. Now if you want a good acting scene, you're going to have to draw a lot of frames or resort to CG.

There's a reason most anime with lots of character acting sequences like dancing resort to either CGI (most idol anime) or do what Welcome to the Ballroom did and just not animate the dance scenes at all, just have the characters strike a pose and slowly pan over it and have characters off-screen talk about how well they're moving even though they're not moving at all.

Character acting is complex and detailed, you can't skip a step and expect it to look good. That's why until CG became more common use, idol anime weren't common.


There is also the benefit of the anime industry pumping out more action-oriented anime recently. This demand for action anime requires a lot of action animation know-how and so they get to learn more on action animation instead of character acting animation. This is why you see so many recent anime like Black Clover use that smear technique Yutaka Nakamura does, because they don't have to draw much now.

You see it a lot in shows that have lots of freelance animators involved and even foreign ones. In general, more animators have action animation experience but not a lot when it comes to character acting.

Even if the animator tries to make more detailed frames during a fight scene, they'll only be wasting time. These action scenes move from 12fps to 18fps, so it's a bad move if they add more details. They're only giving themselves a harder time on top of the bad schedule they get; They don't even get paid for the extra work (unless you got a binding fee for some of your work).

IAMGOD_6969 said:
why are they putting effort in character acting for not so important scenes too? instead if they put effort in making fights in 2d, it would be better no? the comedy was also ruined heavily in this ep due to character acting. Not to mention the muscle devil fight has been omited completey cause they have to focus on character acting in every single fucking scene

Strabz said:
if animations are shit, y’all complain.
if the animations are good, y’all also complain?

monjaa27 said:


lmfao, i cant stop laughing

whenever i feel sad. i read about how stupid people can be in this forum
thanks dyude

DaThorAkilia said:
Lol. Now I have heard that too 🤷‍♂️ “to much animation” - have you only seen naruto and fairytale 😅

detoxW said:
Animating the spinning chainsaw is very time consuming