| I hate to be the one to break the bad news, but it's because japanese storytelling and the way japanese is spoken is different from english storytelling and the way english is spoken |
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| Because most shounen and isekais are aimed towards kids, the dialogue will be simple most of the time. The dialogue in seinen anime is more interesting and fun to follow. |
| 99% of all anime is shit You have to watch mature intellectual seinen anime such as Legend of the Galactic Heroes |
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| If you don't like the dialogue then just watch it dubbed. I found that most comedy anime in dub have jokes that are 10x funnier than the original. And I'm not even a dub guy |
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| Sounds like you need to watch better shows. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| That’s because they just have a different mentality, that is also the main reason why English Dub anime almost always sound terrible, it’s not because of the voice acting but rather the script that is not actually written by English speakers. |
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Klad said: Because most shounen and isekais are aimed towards kids, the dialogue will be simple most of the time. The dialogue in seinen anime is more interesting and fun to follow. Is someone with at least half of their favorites being adaptations of shonen manga trying to sound edgy by saying that shonen anime is for kids? OK. Also, most isekai are adaptations of otaku-focused LN. This is far from content for children. |
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| OP just summarized Girlchan in Paradise. |
 This ground is soiled by those before me and their lies. I dare not look up for on me I feel their eyes |
LostSpectre said: Sounds like you need to watch better shows. ^ basically this you just need to go seek them out |
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RobertBobert said: For starters I don't know how you deduced that I tried to sound edgy... but ok, whatever. Klad said: Because most shounen and isekais are aimed towards kids, the dialogue will be simple most of the time. The dialogue in seinen anime is more interesting and fun to follow. Is someone with at least half of their favorites being adaptations of shonen manga trying to sound edgy by saying that shonen anime is for kids? OK. Also, most isekai are adaptations of otaku-focused LN. This is far from content for children. I'm unsure what you're trying to tell me here. Are you really saying shounen series aren't aimed towards the younger generation? |
Klad said: RobertBobert said: For starters I don't know how you deduced that I tried to sound edgy... but ok, whatever. Is someone with at least half of their favorites being adaptations of shonen manga trying to sound edgy by saying that shonen anime is for kids? OK. Also, most isekai are adaptations of otaku-focused LN. This is far from content for children. I'm unsure what you're trying to tell me here. Are you really saying shounen series aren't aimed towards the younger generation? You really sound edgy when you try to use teenage appeal as an argument for bad or simple writing. Especially assuming it should be taken for granted. |
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RobertBobert said: Counterpoint: I don't think I sound edgy. Thanks for your opinion thoughKlad said: For starters I don't know how you deduced that I tried to sound edgy... but ok, whatever. I'm unsure what you're trying to tell me here. Are you really saying shounen series aren't aimed towards the younger generation? You really sound edgy when you try to use teenage appeal as an argument for bad or simple writing. Especially assuming it should be taken for granted. |
Klad said: RobertBobert said: Counterpoint: I don't think I sound edgy. Thanks for your opinion thoughYou really sound edgy when you try to use teenage appeal as an argument for bad or simple writing. Especially assuming it should be taken for granted. I think so because you didn't explicitly say it as a defense. And criticism of teen or kids content as being bad or weak by default mostly comes from either boomers that you're not, or edgy people who want to sound cool. In my opinion, seinen for the most part is distinguished by more topics and content maturity than the quality of writing. And a lot of these works get the seinen tag, not so much because of the complexity, but because of the excessive violence and fanservice. |
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| Yeah quite a lot of anime writers can't figure out how humans talk. Perplexing, honestly. |
RobertBobert said: But nowhere I implied that it's bad writing though. The OP calls it bad dialogue, I called it 'simple dialogue' because most of the popular anime nowadays are shounens. I guess we can agree on that. I did not throw a jab towards teen-aimed works, I simply said why I think the dialogue is like that. Klad said: Counterpoint: I don't think I sound edgy. Thanks for your opinion though I think so because you didn't explicitly say it as a defense. And criticism of teen or kids content as being bad or weak by default mostly comes from either boomers that you're not, or edgy people who want to sound cool. In my opinion, seinen for the most part is distinguished by more topics and content maturity than the quality of writing. And a lot of these works get the seinen tag, not so much because of the complexity, but because of the excessive violence and fanservice. That's true about seinen, but also because usually the cast is adult it can lead to more enjoyable conversations between the characters. |
Klad said: RobertBobert said: But nowhere I implied that it's bad writing though. The OP calls it bad dialogue, I called it 'simple dialogue' because most of the popular anime nowadays are shounens. I guess we can agree on that. I did not throw a jab towards teen-aimed works, I simply said why I think the dialogue is like that. I think so because you didn't explicitly say it as a defense. And criticism of teen or kids content as being bad or weak by default mostly comes from either boomers that you're not, or edgy people who want to sound cool. In my opinion, seinen for the most part is distinguished by more topics and content maturity than the quality of writing. And a lot of these works get the seinen tag, not so much because of the complexity, but because of the excessive violence and fanservice. That's true about seinen, but also because usually the cast is adult it can lead to more enjoyable conversations between the characters. Bad is not synonymous with simple, not to mention there are quite a few shonen with complex and interesting dialogue. For example, Kakegurui or Detective Conan. Or the cult city hunter, for what, I think, you have no questions about maturity and interestingness. It's true that seinen is much more likely to have an adult cast, but I don't think it's synonymous with adult or serious dialogue, given that adults can also communicate through fairly simple language. For example, the characters of Golden Kamuy are simple men and their dialogues are quite simple and rude, but still mature and interesting. |
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| Words from Miyazaki sensei: "Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!" |
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Nyron said: This is why Yu Yu Hakusho's dub is the GOAT. It literally backspaced the entire original script and made it good instead of """""accurate""""", while still being accurate. One of the worst offenders of "padding scenes interrupting battles every 1.5 minutes, either to dictate what just happened (even if the fights aren't complex at all) or to throw some unfunny jokes". I always thought it was an excuse to stretch things out, back when the philosophy behind every TV anime was "the more episodes, the merrier". Particularly sad because I loved the anime when I was a kid and I also loved the manga, but this issue became evident when I rewatched it a few years ago. |
| All anime and media has a target demographic. Such dialog is often made to pandering to said target demographics, and that is perfectly ok. I doubt most people would like hearing realistic small talk all the time. |
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RobertBobert said: I agree with that. But again, I still stand by the point that I did not imply any criticism from what I said. The essence of what I said is, if you take one shounen and one seinen, the chances that you will be seeing 'simple dialogue' is higher on the shounen. But the quality of it is another discussion.Klad said: But nowhere I implied that it's bad writing though. The OP calls it bad dialogue, I called it 'simple dialogue' because most of the popular anime nowadays are shounens. I guess we can agree on that. I did not throw a jab towards teen-aimed works, I simply said why I think the dialogue is like that. That's true about seinen, but also because usually the cast is adult it can lead to more enjoyable conversations between the characters. Bad is not synonymous with simple, not to mention there are quite a few shonen with complex and interesting dialogue. For example, Kakegurui or Detective Conan. Or the cult city hunter, for what, I think, you have no questions about maturity and interestingness. It's true that seinen is much more likely to have an adult cast, but I don't think it's synonymous with adult or serious dialogue, given that adults can also communicate through fairly simple language. For example, the characters of Golden Kamuy are simple men and their dialogues are quite simple and rude, but still mature and interesting. But yeah, just as simple dialogue can be both good/bad, so can adult dialogue. |
Klad said: RobertBobert said: I agree with that. But again, I still stand by the point that I did not imply any criticism from what I said. The essence of what I said is, if you take one shounen and one seinen, the chances that you will be seeing 'simple dialogue' is higher on the shounen. But the quality of it is another discussion.Bad is not synonymous with simple, not to mention there are quite a few shonen with complex and interesting dialogue. For example, Kakegurui or Detective Conan. Or the cult city hunter, for what, I think, you have no questions about maturity and interestingness. It's true that seinen is much more likely to have an adult cast, but I don't think it's synonymous with adult or serious dialogue, given that adults can also communicate through fairly simple language. For example, the characters of Golden Kamuy are simple men and their dialogues are quite simple and rude, but still mature and interesting. But yeah, just as simple dialogue can be both good/bad, so can adult dialogue. I understand what you mean, but what I mean is that issues like simplicity or quality depend primarily on the author, and only then on the audience or genre. If we turn to shoujo, then this "genre" generally has a rather complex language by the standards of Western content for teenagers, since many shoujo authors use rather complex language, including abundant metaphors and symbolism, and also raise a whole sea of far from childish topics. |
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| Another theory I have is because japanese people are not that easy going + the hikikomori and relationshipless sexless culture they have so they didn't learn to have more profound conversations. |
LainPlush said: Another theory I have is because japanese people are not that easy going + the hikikomori and relationshipless sexless culture they have so they didn't learn to have more profound conversations. You are too immature to realize that sex culture is cancer and is destroying humanity by giving us shit like tiktok. You are disgusting. |
 ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Crow_Black said: EndlessMaria said: You are too immature to realize that sex culture is cancer and is destroying humanity by giving us shit like tiktok. You are disgusting. Don't forget places like twitter and reddit as well they also are as cancerous as tiktok. And all the youtube shitfluencers brainwashing young children and indoctrinating them into sex. This needs to stop. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
| Eh I definitely don't think it's good but it's most certainly less grating on my ears than western TV and movies |
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| It's because Crunchyroll sucks and shouldn't be supported by any true weeb. |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
| Ah look a strawman argument. The argument around dictation one no not all action shonen do that. CSM is the most popular upcoming action shonen and it barely has any of it. For those that do it's largely because of the issue of showing stuff in comics at times can be difficult. As it's usually less they used a special attack and more here is how our magic system works they do this in your typical popular fantasy pulp books too. Don't even know how the he is laughing statement is an example of bad writing lol. If someone feels they are being mocked what should they say lol. Also yeah bad ecchi slapstick is all anime guys. Bad exposition sure can be a thing but it's hardly true for plenty of anime as well. Comedy literally is hard to at all evaluate but most jokes if you really analyze punch lines etc aren't as creative as you might think. One of my favourite comedy shows is Blackadder and it's pretty much just making fun of some historical observations and running gags that hey x guy is a moron. Also are you really complaining that fetish bait is fetish bait? If I am going to get into some fetish bait I hope we get some good slave play relationships is all I am saying. The problem with most of that stuff is they just don't end up being largely hentai. Isekai all just emulating Fencer Minerva would be a great improvement. |
Nyron said: EndlessMaria said: You are too immature to realize that sex culture is cancer and is destroying humanity by giving us shit like tiktok. You are disgusting. lmfao what is this post are you ok femcel no she isn't the true answer is in between of awful translation to most anime being tailored to the lower common denominator, avoid anything that smells like it was made for people without friends whose relationships are exclusively made through discord with equally asocial beings and you will get decent dialogues, normally you can tell by the synopsis |
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