_Maneki-Neko_ said: _-_Sally_-_ said: It only takes me 15 to 20 minutes to run 3 km. I generally will do that run twice a day, 7 days a week, because that's what it takes to keep my weight in check, especially now with my testosterone level only being 0.1, and my estradiol level being 530. I have to be really careful. I don't eat bread, as it has no nutrients, and tends to make me gain weight. I still eat a bit of rice and pasta however, but the carbs add up too fast when slices of bread are involved. That "no carbs" is as bullshit as saying people should remove fat or sweets in general etc. from their diet. Just don't overeat on most days and don't intake more calories than your basic metabolic rate + activities. Well, I tried that, but it didn't really work much for me. I'm not saying to go full "keto" or anything, as I think that's crazy as well, but one should try to lower their carb intake at least a little. The average person consumes around 250 carbs a day, so I try to cut that number in half, and eat no more than 125-150 carbs per day. It seems to help. |
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149597871 said: loserotaku2 said: breakfast: bowl of cinnamon toast crunch, low fat strawberry yougurt, straweberry milk, iced coffee, granola bar first snack: granola bar, fruit juice, maybe some of those japanese style crepes lunch: instant ramen or frozen indian food, powerade, smoothie, rice, a little gummy candy second snack: iced tea, granola bar, chocolate, french fries or shrimp tempura dinner: fried chicken/fast food or frozen indian food or instant ramen or pizza pockets, powerade, iced coffee, canned fruits prebed snack: canned fruit, oreos thats my average food log for the day Damn, that's painful to read; I hope you are joking. How much sugar even is that... hahaha. Most of that isn't healthy at all, but even if it was, the sheer quantity you consume is more than enough to make you fat. Don't eat 6 meals a day if you don't even exercise. Ditch everything but the chocolate and some of the fruit (that is more than enough micronutrients). Get a good protein source like fish, eggs, meat since that will keep you full throughout the day without adding that many calories, and as everyone is pointing out, only drink water. I believe you consume 1000-1500 calories from drinks alone, and since you are so used to these sugary stuff, they probably don't even taste that good anymore. I know you are likely trolling, but I'm putting that out there for others to see in case they are struggling with similar problems. Also veggies, buying them frozen is okay. I might get diabetes after reading this post. I bet that what OP is calling a smoothie is just an Oreo milkshake (don't look it up!). _-_Sally_-_ said: First of all, you're eating too much, and what you eat isn't healthy at all. Don't "snack." You should only be eating three times a day. Try eating no more than 1400-1600 calories a day, and jog at least 3km a day. Also, cut down your carbs, and stop with the smoothies. There's only one thing that you should be drinking, and that's water. I'm 5 foot 8, and I used to weigh 180lbs, but after I cut down my calories, and started exercising, I lost nearly 50lbs within a few months, and I've kept that weight off. 1400 is ridiculously low for an adult male, even if he is dieting... Jogging every day is a bad idea too. And eating six small meals is preferable over eating three big meals. Maneki already addressed the carbs part. It is better to reduce progressively one's calories and replace them by healthy food since it is nigh-on impossible to consume the caloric equivalent of the diet above with proper food. |
| The level of medical ignorance in this thread is amazing. It's not just a question of burning more calories than intake, but rather what type of calories are taken, how they are taken, when they are taken and if there are other factors from the body or mind that keep the weight. First of all, I would make sure that you have normal thyroid glands. If you have an under-function, you are more likely to gain weight. Secondly, if that's ruled out or handled, I would check if there's something with your habits that you can improve. If you tend to eat lots late at evening or even at night when the digestion system is low as opposed to in the morning or at noon more, then you shouldn't wonder why your body can't properly process the food. After that, I would check what exactly you eat: replacing junk food or junk drinks with other junk food or junk drinks, just because they are advertised as "healthy" is one of the biggest mistakes you can do. It's better to eat normal stuff and to snack on fruits and nuts than these overly sugary granola bars or eating the prepared cereals as breakfast. Or toast bread. Or too much bread/other types of carbohydrates and/or stuff where there is processed sugars, as opposed to having more fiber, proteins and fats in your diet, like from fish & other meat. And as for drinks, don't fall for fruit juices, smoothies, milkshakes, etc. and just go for water and/or unsweetened tea. Preferably, loose-leaved tea Last but not least, if you have the mindset for gaining weight, then it's easier for your body to adapt to your own thoughts edit: it does of course not mean to go without carbs, just that it's smarter to eat bread, but also fatty+savory stuff in the mornings and/or as a side dish for lunch when the digestion is higher and when there is still a need for more energy in the day. Also, a bit of sweets (just not too late at night if possible) is preferable over having a panicked mindset that thinks that 1 piece of chocolate or 1 piece of cake will get them fat. Ultimately, it's better for the mind as well if there is no processed sugars in the daily diet and only for special occasions, if at all, though |
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Meusnier said: 149597871 said: Damn, that's painful to read; I hope you are joking. How much sugar even is that... hahaha. Most of that isn't healthy at all, but even if it was, the sheer quantity you consume is more than enough to make you fat. Don't eat 6 meals a day if you don't even exercise. Ditch everything but the chocolate and some of the fruit (that is more than enough micronutrients). Get a good protein source like fish, eggs, meat since that will keep you full throughout the day without adding that many calories, and as everyone is pointing out, only drink water. I believe you consume 1000-1500 calories from drinks alone, and since you are so used to these sugary stuff, they probably don't even taste that good anymore. I know you are likely trolling, but I'm putting that out there for others to see in case they are struggling with similar problems. Also veggies, buying them frozen is okay. I might get diabetes after reading this post. I bet that what OP is calling a smoothie is just an Oreo milkshake (don't look it up!). _-_Sally_-_ said: First of all, you're eating too much, and what you eat isn't healthy at all. Don't "snack." You should only be eating three times a day. Try eating no more than 1400-1600 calories a day, and jog at least 3km a day. Also, cut down your carbs, and stop with the smoothies. There's only one thing that you should be drinking, and that's water. I'm 5 foot 8, and I used to weigh 180lbs, but after I cut down my calories, and started exercising, I lost nearly 50lbs within a few months, and I've kept that weight off. 1400 is ridiculously low for an adult male, even if he is dieting... Jogging every day is a bad idea too. And eating six small meals is preferable over eating three big meals. Maneki already addressed the carbs part. It is better to reduce progressively one's calories and replace them by healthy food since it is nigh-on impossible to consume the caloric equivalent of the diet above with proper food. Again, reducing calories alone didn't always work for me. After a while, I would only be able to hold my weight where it was, rather than lose any weight, and there's no evidence to show that jogging every day is bad. Eating a bunch of small meals wouldn't work for me. Maybe it's more common in the European diet, but not so much in North America. |
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Skimt said: Drink between meals. If water isn't enough, drink something with milk in it, like chocolate milk as it takes longer to digest making you feel full longer. Preferably sugar free, not because sugar makes you fat, but because sugar fucks with your heart, mood, and sleep. I'm so jealous of you lactose tolerant people. I used to be tolerant, have been on/off during adulthood, and am squarely intolerant now. _Maneki-Neko_ said: I usually eat between 900-1.300 calories a day and I feel very well and stay my weight. If it works for you, congrats! But for most people, that's a starvation level caloric intake. If I was forced to eat that 1,000 calories per, I'd be more than hangry. |
loserotaku2 said: Meusnier said: I might get diabetes after reading this post. I bet that what OP is calling a smoothie is just an Oreo milkshake (don't look it up!). 1400 is ridiculously low for an adult male, even if he is dieting... Jogging every day is a bad idea too. And eating six small meals is preferable over eating three big meals. Maneki already addressed the carbs part. It is better to reduce progressively one's calories and replace them by healthy food since it is nigh-on impossible to consume the caloric equivalent of the diet above with proper food. the smoothies i get are the ones from jamba juice I have checked their website, and their smoothies represent 280-730kcal. This is a huge caloric intake if you are trying to lose weight. _-_Sally_-_ said: Meusnier said: I might get diabetes after reading this post. I bet that what OP is calling a smoothie is just an Oreo milkshake (don't look it up!). 1400 is ridiculously low for an adult male, even if he is dieting... Jogging every day is a bad idea too. And eating six small meals is preferable over eating three big meals. Maneki already addressed the carbs part. It is better to reduce progressively one's calories and replace them by healthy food since it is nigh-on impossible to consume the caloric equivalent of the diet above with proper food. Again, reducing calories alone didn't always work for me. After a while, I would only be able to hold my weight where it was, rather than lose any weight, and there's no evidence to show that jogging every day is bad. Eating a bunch of small meals wouldn't work for me. Maybe it's more common in the European diet, but not so much in North America. It did not work for you. Resting is an essential part of training, even professional athletes take rest and do cross-training. No, it is not common in Europe either, but unless you plan to become a sumo wrestler, you should try to eat less in several meals. Intermittent fasting works for some people too, but in the case of OP, reducing drastically the huge calories should work in the first months. |
Meusnier said: I have checked their website, and their smoothies represent 280-730kcal. This is a huge caloric intake if you are trying to lose weight. _-_Sally_-_ said: Again, reducing calories alone didn't always work for me. After a while, I would only be able to hold my weight where it was, rather than lose any weight, and there's no evidence to show that jogging every day is bad. Eating a bunch of small meals wouldn't work for me. Maybe it's more common in the European diet, but not so much in North America. It did not work for you. Resting is an essential part of training, even professional athletes take rest and do cross-training. No, it is not common in Europe either, but unless you plan to become a sumo wrestler, you should try to eat less in several meals. Intermittent fasting works for some people too, but in the case of OP, reducing drastically the huge calories should work in the first months. I'm not trying to strengthen my body, or build muscle. I jog only to burn calories, and it's the only form of exercise that I can do, as I'm disabled due to chronic pain. |
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loserotaku2 said: I don't know if it has been mentioned, but an 8oz cup of orange juice is about 120 calories, most of it coming from sugars (carbs), 2/3 of an 180 calorie can of soda. Most likely though if you're American, you drink juice using 16oz cups, so you'd actually be getting 240 calories for a full cup, which is more than soda. i have replaced it with fruit juice, smoothies, low fat strawberry milk, iced coffee, powerade, and iced tea. and im still gaining weight. another thing is ive also kicked out potato chips and replaced it with granola bars Similarly, an 8oz powerade is about 80 calories, which means a bottle of it that you guy will be between 160-240 calories. And unless you're a pro athlete -- which you're not -- you most likely get enough (or I'd even argue too much) salt replenishment throughout the day anyways, so you don't need to drink powerade. And even if you buy 1% "low fat" milk, it's 100 calories for 8oz. Honestly, if you want soda replacement and you're serious about losing weight, then you need to learn to drink water, or black coffee or tea without any added sugars. So by quitting soda and swapping it with juice, you just replaced one sugar source with another. You might have gotten some vitamins along the way, which is good, but it doesn't do a thing for your weight loss goals. |
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| I just got my DEXA scan a few days ago and found out I'm 25% body fat too, on the borderline of being obese. I lost almost 10 pounds the last month (probably half of it was water weight). First, you need to go online and calculate your BMR (basal metabolic rate), which for me is about 1650. These calculators are an estimate, so just to be safe, round down (e.g. 1600). Then multiply by 1.2 since I'm assuming you're sedentary (don't play sports or exercise or move around during the day). Now, for me, that would be 1920 calories I consume throughout the day if I don't exercise. I don't count calories to the dot. I ballpark them. But regardless, you're going to have to look up calorie nutrition info for everything you eat, since if you're like most people, you don't know how many calories are in what. Tally them up and aim for around a 500 calorie deficit to lose a pound a week. Any more than that and you're going to be starving and it won't work out long term, and you're going to be losing more muscle, which isn't necessarily good for your health. On top of that, you should get a gym membership and find those isolation machines if you don't have someone to show you good form. Set the highest weight you think you can lift 10 reps and not burn out, and do that for 3-4 sets on each machine. The rest period in between each set doesn't matter. Do that for at 2-3 times a week. When you lose weight, you also lose muscle, and lifting a bit will preserve some of that muscle. I would also suggest going on to Google Maps and go to "Directions from here" from your home. Then click an arbitrary spot and click the Walking icon. Set about a 3-5 mile path. And walk that every day. Personally, I go to the gym and run 1-2 miles a day on the treadmill at a moderate pace, but if you're fat and you're just starting out, you probably couldn't do that. |
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_-_Sally_-_ said: Meusnier said: I have checked their website, and their smoothies represent 280-730kcal. This is a huge caloric intake if you are trying to lose weight. It did not work for you. Resting is an essential part of training, even professional athletes take rest and do cross-training. No, it is not common in Europe either, but unless you plan to become a sumo wrestler, you should try to eat less in several meals. Intermittent fasting works for some people too, but in the case of OP, reducing drastically the huge calories should work in the first months. I'm not trying to strengthen my body, or build muscle. I jog only to burn calories, and it's the only form of exercise that I can do, as I'm disabled due to chronic pain. Well, you are actually weakening your body by always doing the same exercise without having periods of rest. And you will also build muscles, whether you like it or not. Being anorexic is not pretty... |
Meusnier said: _-_Sally_-_ said: I'm not trying to strengthen my body, or build muscle. I jog only to burn calories, and it's the only form of exercise that I can do, as I'm disabled due to chronic pain. Well, you are actually weakening your body by always doing the same exercise without having periods of rest. And you will also build muscles, whether you like it or not. Being anorexic is not pretty... I'm far from "anorexic." I'm much smaller than I was when I was younger, but at 5 foot 8, and around 140lbs, I'm within healthy range for my height. Anyway, let's end this conversation here. |
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Meusnier said: When professionals do a rest day, it's not a complete rest as you say, it's cross training, which amounts to a jog's worth of intensity. You could just as well consider non-professionals as having 7 rest days when they jog 7 days a week. Rest days are highly individual. If someone feels like muscle strain is building up or there are unexplained pains, then they should take a rest. There's no rationale in prescribing that everyone take rest days at the same schedule. Professional runners "jog" at 8 miles per hour, which is more like a run for most of us.Resting is an essential part of training, even professional athletes take rest and do cross-training. loserotaku2 said: Well, the first thing to note is that Jamba Juice smoothies aren't pure fruit puree. Most of their menu items have added fruit juice, which is all sugar and deprives you of the fiber that you get from actual fruit. Regardless, fruit is mostly carbs with some vitamin, and is healthy overall, but healthy doesn't equate to weight loss. When you consume carbs, it gives you immediate energy, and the energy that isn't used up gets stored as glycogen in your liver. 1 gram of glycogen attaches to 3 grams of water -- it cannot exist without the water. So that adds to your "water weight".the smoothies i get are the ones from jamba juice What smoothies are good for is before or after you do cardio exercise that uses up your glycogen stores. Similarly, what Powerade is good for is to replenish electrolytes (sodium and potassium). If you think smoothies or Powerade without exercise, then you are just storing those calories into water weight and fat for nothing. Salt (sodium) dehydrates you and causes your body to try to hold on to more water (glycogen), making it harder for you to lose weight. But you still need some salt after a good sweat from exercise. If you don't exercise, you don't need Powerade. With that said, there are some items in Jamba Juice that are better than others. Sometimes, I get a small Protein Berry Workout that comes with a protein boost after a workout. It has a good amount of carbs and protein. Probably still too much carbs considering what I eat throughout the rest of the day. If you order Jamba, look for items without added fruit juice (e.g. Vanilla Blue Sky). But seriously, if you're not working out or running, just don't get Jamba Juice. If you walk 5 miles at a moderate pace, a small smoothie will wipe all that effort out in 10 minutes. You need to rewire your brain to stop consuming sugar (on top of normal food that has natural sugar in it). It sucks for about 2 weeks, then you won't even miss it. |
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_Maneki-Neko_ said: _-_Sally_-_ said: I'm far from "anorexic." I'm much smaller than I was when I was younger, but at 5 foot 8, and around 140lbs, I'm within healthy range for my height. Anyway, let's end this conversation here. Just to add... wasn't it chronic spine pain? If you are able to (depending what doctors are telling you), it's good to strengthen your muscles to take weight and pressure from the spine. If you are training your whole body a bit, the muscles will play a support role for your skeleton. You won't look like a bodybuilder just because you do some exercises 3-4 times a week. I can't do any form of strength training without my upper back hurting. And despite the fact that one doctor thought it was a spinal problem, another told me that it may be nerve damage, which is something that cannot be corrected. They tried to prescribe me painkillers, but I refuse to take them. |
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Meusnier said: Maybe Sally didn't properly adapt this advice to OP, presumably male and overweight. How many calories one should consume is obviously dependent on their weight and metabolism. If we plug in Sally's initial numbers, assuming she is 34 years old and 180 pounds, we get her BMR being roughly 1565 calories per day (BMR calculator), and her sedentary TDEE being 1878. 1400 is less than a 500 calorie deficit and definitely within an allowable range for her. At her current weight, her BMR is 1384 cal/day or 1661 TDEE, which makes 1400 just slightly under maintenance. 140 pounds for 5'8" is 21.3 BMI (body mass index), well within the healthy range of 18.5-24.9 for adults.1400 is ridiculously low for an adult male, even if he is dieting... As for OP, who knows how much he weighs? Let's not get our panties all up in a bunch here. 500 calorie deficit is very reasonable, and if OP is very obese, he might even be able to go lower and his body will prioritize on burning fat if it has a lower fixed point. You don't need to "gradually" reduce calories. 500 kcal deficit is gradual. Nobody cuts their portions from 100% to 99%, 98%, 97%, ... etc. Instead, cutting portions from 100% to 75% in one go is very reasonable. Usually, overweight people eat more than what they need to begin with. OP is not going to count 100 calorie deficit,200 calorie deficit, up to 500, with slices off his granola bar with each round. That's setting himself for failure. Instead he just needs to stop eating strawberry milk, granola bars, fruit juice, crepes, powerade, smoothies, gummy candies, french fries and tempuras, instant ramen and oreos, and he's off to a good start. |
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_Maneki-Neko_ said: That got a lot of fibers and proteins and you stay full longer. Maybe I should have added that I'm only 1.55 and ca. 57 kg. So I don't need the same intake like a man who's maybe 1.85 tall. My basic metabolic rate isn't really high and my activity level is quite moderate too. The fibers and proteins to stay full longer is a key strat. Junk food and most refined carbs are designed to deliver calories without making you feel full. Not just for appearance purposes, but maintaining a lower overall body mass eases stress on your heart, cardio system, joints, and feet. During quarantine, I went from 88kg to 98kg. I play basketball and moving & jumping the way I remember destroys my feet and ankles. |
| fruit juice, especially those sold in stores, is quite literally soda with a fruit flavor. just stop drinking sugary drinks (sometimes marketed as "healthy" drinks) and just go with water and tea, as people already recommended. eat more vegetables - they're healthy and the fiber content will help you feel full for longer. oat meals are also an excellent source of fiber - just don't over-eat it. adjust your diet taking into account any food allergies you may have. you may want to see a dietician for guidance. obviously avoid oat meal if you're allergic to it. do moderate cardio for at least 20-30 min for at least 5 days a week, taking into account weather conditions. katsucats said: Salt (sodium) dehydrates you and causes your body to try to hold on to more water (glycogen), making it harder for you to lose weight. But you still need some salt after a good sweat from exercise. If you don't exercise, you don't need Powerade. also this. i would go further and say that, unless you go on long-distance marathons, you don't need an energy drink. rather, after a workout, just eat a fruit such as a banana or a watermelon instead. |
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katsucats said: Meusnier said: Maybe Sally didn't properly adapt this advice to OP, presumably male and overweight. How many calories one should consume is obviously dependent on their weight and metabolism. If we plug in Sally's initial numbers, assuming she is 34 years old and 180 pounds, we get her BMR being roughly 1565 calories per day (BMR calculator), and her sedentary TDEE being 1878. 1400 is less than a 500 calorie deficit and definitely within an allowable range for her. At her current weight, her BMR is 1384 cal/day or 1661 TDEE, which makes 1400 just slightly under maintenance. 140 pounds for 5'8" is 21.3 BMI (body mass index), well within the healthy range of 18.5-24.9 for adults.1400 is ridiculously low for an adult male, even if he is dieting... As for OP, who knows how much he weighs? Let's not get our panties all up in a bunch here. 500 calorie deficit is very reasonable, and if OP is very obese, he might even be able to go lower and his body will prioritize on burning fat if it has a lower fixed point. You don't need to "gradually" reduce calories. 500 kcal deficit is gradual. Nobody cuts their portions from 100% to 99%, 98%, 97%, ... etc. Instead, cutting portions from 100% to 75% in one go is very reasonable. Usually, overweight people eat more than what they need to begin with. OP is not going to count 100 calorie deficit,200 calorie deficit, up to 500, with slices off his granola bar with each round. That's setting himself for failure. Instead he just needs to stop eating strawberry milk, granola bars, fruit juice, crepes, powerade, smoothies, gummy candies, french fries and tempuras, instant ramen and oreos, and he's off to a good start. You know what I meant, and it is futile to discuss about other people's weight and BMI. Why do you quote me to say that? What is this disgusting strawman? I did not say that "gradual" (it was "progressively" by the way, can you even quote me properly?) meant reducing your calories intake by 1% every week, or that the reduction failed to put OP in caloric deficit. Reducing by 300-500kcal every X period of time (every few weeks or more depending on each person) is what progressive deficit—I did not use that last word, but spare me your dishonest interpretations—means. katsucats said: Meusnier said: When professionals do a rest day, it's not a complete rest as you say, it's cross training, which amounts to a jog's worth of intensity. You could just as well consider non-professionals as having 7 rest days when they jog 7 days a week. Rest days are highly individual. If someone feels like muscle strain is building up or there are unexplained pains, then they should take a rest. There's no rationale in prescribing that everyone take rest days at the same schedule. Professional runners "jog" at 8 miles per hour, which is more like a run for most of us.Resting is an essential part of training, even professional athletes take rest and do cross-training. "You could just as well consider non-professionals as having 7 rest days when they jog 7 days a week." No. Non-professionals need more rest or they will get injured. Even professional sports instructors do not train every day after getting older (in their 30s or 40s). |
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Meusnier said: LOLWhy do you quote me to say that? What is this disgusting strawman? I did not say that "gradual" (it was "progressively" by the way, can you even quote me properly?) meant reducing your calories intake by 1% every week, or that the reduction failed to put OP in caloric deficit. Reducing by 300-500kcal every X period of time (every few weeks or more depending on each person) is what progressive deficit—I did not use that last word, but spare me your dishonest interpretations—means. As before, you desperately stretch to play victim when you're called out. Why do I even bother? If reducing 500 calories is what you meant, then why did you even bother to argue Sally's post when that is exactly what she meant? Meusnier said: Then you just have no idea what you're talking about. Plenty of runners (non-professional) run 7 days a week. Some would even argue it's healthier that way to maintain muscle fitness. You clearly stated above that athletes cross-train when they "rest", and now you're trying to say a cross-train level of activity does not constitute rest. You're contradicting yourself, I'm guessing, because you don't know what cross training is or you read all this shit from a blog that you copy-pasted from and now you're trying to save face. Sally could have been jogging 5K every day at 8mpm, and her cross training is jogging 1600m at 10mpm. Just like how Tour De France cyclists ride for 2+ hours at a relaxed pace in their rest days. No. Non-professionals need more rest or they will get injured. Even professional sports instructors do not train every day after getting older (in their 30s or 40s). But you're here with your magic crystal ball insisting that someone over the internet who you don't even know, you don't know what her health situation is and you don't even know the average intensity of her exercises, "will" get injured. LOL. That's like telling someone they will get injured if they walk around every day and they must get off their feet. I know, I know. You're going to claim I disingenuously misrepresented you and cry woe is me. The tactic is played out, but if it fools just one poor chap on the internet, then you got your karma points. Edit: I still can't get over the fact that your whole argument is that you used the word "progressive" instead of the synonym "gradual". Hahaha. Omfg, quick mafs |
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149597871 said: Because you are consuming more calories than you burn. There are calculators online that can tell you the amount of calories you need to eat based on your lifestyle and bodyweight in order to lose weight. https://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html this with a caveat. you could have a tdee of 2300 calories and be eating 1600 a day and not losing weight....like i was before i started losing weight....i didn't change my diet at all i went to the doctor and was diagnosed with a thyroid condition once on medication i was losing weight fast on the same diet as before. SO CALORIES COUNT and if that doesn't work see a medical proffesional. |
_Maneki-Neko_ said: I agree with you, moderation is key. Even I'll have a snack once in a while, but that's after I already know what I need, what my baseline feels like. For OP starting out, I think he needs to quit everything and get used to the feeling of eating just healthy food before he should reintroduce some of that back into his diet, otherwise it's just going to sneak back into his routine without him realizing it. Only when I'm fully aware of the ramifications of a Jamba Juice smoothie or a glass of orange juice can I now comfortably drink one. Otherwise I might think "nah, it's not that bad" and down 700 calories without realizing that's like a 4-5 mile run's worth of work gone, which for me is 2-3 days of cardio.katsucats said: You don't need to "gradually" reduce calories. 500 kcal deficit is gradual. Nobody cuts their portions from 100% to 99%, 98%, 97%, ... etc. Instead, cutting portions from 100% to 75% in one go is very reasonable. Usually, overweight people eat more than what they need to begin with. OP is not going to count 100 calorie deficit,200 calorie deficit, up to 500, with slices off his granola bar with each round. That's setting himself for failure. Instead he just needs to stop eating strawberry milk, granola bars, fruit juice, crepes, powerade, smoothies, gummy candies, french fries and tempuras, instant ramen and oreos, and he's off to a good start. I mean, you don't have to need to stop eating anything, even when you are watching your food. I'll never stop eating some of these stuff since there is no need to cut off anything, if you are reasonable with it. As for the post by @AnimeDownUnder, generally good advice, but some of his claims are just wrong or overstated. For example AnimeDownUnder said: Diet coke by itself doesn't make you gain any weight because it has 0 calories. It's a physical (hint: Einstein, Newton, etc. that kind of physics) thing. Diet coke does contain aspartame, which fools your taste buds into thinking it tastes sweet, and also makes you more hungry, causing you to want to consume more food. And that's just the thing: Various foods take more energy to digest, or take longer to digest, which makes you less hungry. Also, different types of macronutrients have effects on your metabolism or muscle recovery. However, it's still true by and large that a calorie deficit causes you to lose weight. A lot of people coming from the gym/fitness perspective don't understand that a calorie is not just a food thing that was invented to track weight loss. A "calorie" is actually a kilocalorie, a unit of energy. A calorie deficit makes you lose weight due to Newton's first law of thermodynamics -- the conservation of mass and energy.In order to bust the calorie myth I had to use this reference a lot, diet coke has no calories in it but if you drink a bottle of diet coke every day you're still going to gain weight from it. Despite having 0 calories, the calorie thing is a huge myth in health industry it's a way for people to get you to buy their low calorie diet scams |
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loserotaku2 said: -Shinzo said: A normal height/BMI (inactive) person has a limit of about 1800-2000 calories per day before gaining weight. Breakfast = 1 bowl of cereal with milk = 300kcal Lunch = Powerade, 2x rice, Chicken. = 650kcal Dinner= Powerade, 2x rice, Chicken = 650kcal Snack= 3x Granola bars, Iced coffee, Smoothies (M), Fruit juice, Yogurt, and Low fat strawberry milk = 1000kcal Total: 2600kcal. Cutting out soda and replacing it with junk is still junk my bro breakfast: bowl of cinnamon toast crunch, low fat strawberry yougurt, straweberry milk, iced coffee, granola bar first snack: granola bar, fruit juice, maybe some of those japanese style crepes lunch: instant ramen or frozen indian food, powerade, smoothie, rice, a little gummy candy second snack: iced tea, granola bar, chocolate, french fries or shrimp tempura dinner: fried chicken/fast food or frozen indian food or instant ramen or pizza pockets, powerade, iced coffee, canned fruits prebed snack: canned fruit, oreos thats my average food log for the day Bro you aren't even trying. Trust me, the human body can run without consuming so much, it truly is a mystery why you aren't losing weight. Skip the snacks my guy |
TwaumaSep 12, 2022 2:39 AM
149597871 said: Healthier doesn't mean you'll lose weight. 3000 calories of salad and chicken breasts and 3000 calories from hamburgers count the same. But note that eating 3000 calories of salad is way harder than eating 3000 calories of chicken breasts and/or hamburgers. An important part of weight control is feeling full without consuming loads of energy, and vegetables are good for that. loserotaku2 said: but isnt fruit juice and smoothies healthy? "Healthy" is not a simple concept. If you're getting too much energy, both of those contain plenty of energy, so no, they're not. The sense in which they are 'healthy' is that they contain micronutrients, but micronutrients do not affect your weight. In my country, it's recommended not to consume more than 150ml of juice/smoothies per day. Also, read the ingredients list to check they are what you were thinking. Drinks companies love to give you the impression you're buying one thing but actually sell you something else. If it's sold as a 'smoothie', but the primary ingredient is apple juice, that's not going to be healthy in any sense. loserotaku2 said: i will go and exercise over my dead grave That really does need fixing. Don't get intimidated by thoughts of gyms and joggers and lycra, even just going out for a brisk walk now and again is a vast improvement over being sedentary. loserotaku2 said: but stuff like granola bars and yougurt and healthy cereal are low fat and have vitamins, also i dont see how sugar make you fat. isnt it fat that makes you fat? No. It's eating more energy than you burn which makes you fat. Energy is found in fat, sugar, starch and protein. Fat and sugar do tend to be the culprits in weight gain more, but only because they're easier to overeat than starch and protein, you can still get fat on eating too much of any one of those. Look at the overall energy/calories on food items. Ignore the fat content. Try to eat things which are filling but low in energy. The foundation of a healthy diet is plenty of vegetables, and wholegrain foods or potatoes with their skins on, plus fresh fruit. Then add smaller amounts of meat, dairy and eggs, nuts and seeds, and fish. Don't overdo the meat. For drinks, water, or simple tea or coffee without (much) milk or sugar. A bit of smoothie is good, but don't overdo it. _-_Sally_-_ said: I don't eat bread, as it has no nutrients, and tends to make me gain weight. Bread has plenty of nutrients. Fibre, minerals and B vitamins. Everyone should aim to have some wholegrain in their diet. Just avoid the white bread, that stuff is crap. |
logopolisSep 12, 2022 3:00 AM
logopolis said: 149597871 said: Healthier doesn't mean you'll lose weight. 3000 calories of salad and chicken breasts and 3000 calories from hamburgers count the same. But note that eating 3000 calories of salad is way harder than eating 3000 calories of chicken breasts and/or hamburgers. An important part of weight control is feeling full without consuming loads of energy, and vegetables are good for that. Nah, chicken breasts are probably the hardest, especially if the salad is mixed with dressing and/or olive oil. They are 80% protein. But yeah, some foods are packed with a bunch of calories and still don't give you a feeling of fullness. That's especially true for fast foods and sugary stuff. |
149597871 said: Nah, chicken breasts are probably the hardest, especially if the salad is mixed with dressing and/or olive oil. They are 80% protein. Add a fatty dressing, and yes, that might change, when I think of 'salad' it's nothing but plants which come to mind. If I want to add a little flavour to vegetables, I'll make a dipping sauce from vinegar, soy sauce, pepper and spices. A tiny amount of that can go a long way. |
_Maneki-Neko_ said: Yes. If he isn't a troll, he's extremely lackadaisical about impending diabetes or heart attack, he was probably born with a silver spoon given how much food ends up on his table. Imagine that either he or his parents had to go out and buy multiple crepes from a bread shop every single day. It sounds mean, but I feel like his parents' divorce (see other thread) is going to be the best thing that ever happened in his life if he's not trolling. From his menu:The other problem here is (if the guy isn't trolling judging by how the posts are written, but the discussion might still worth it for other people) that he snacks too often plus eating big meals and views types of food as a snack that are a big meal in my eyes. Two crepes aren't a quick snack, that's a whole meal for lunch in my world. breakfast: bowl of cinnamon toast crunch (500cal/20oz bowl) low fat strawberry yogurt (120cal) strawberry milk (220cal/2 cups... most mugs are about 16oz) iced coffee granola bar (280cal/2 bars... let's be honest, there are 2 bars in a pack) = 1220cal first snack: granola bar (280cal) fruit juice (220cal/2 cups) maybe some of those japanese style crepes (400-500cal/ea) = 1300cal (assume 2 crepes) lunch: instant ramen (385cal) or frozen indian food powerade (200cal/bottle) smoothie (420cal/medium) rice (400cal/2 cups) a little gummy candy (100cal/10 gummy bears) = about 1500cal second snack: iced tea (180cal/2 cups sweetened) granola bar (280cal) chocolate (200cal assuming candy chocolate) french fries (400cal) or shrimp tempura = 1060cal dinner: fried chicken/fast food (800cal/2 KFC fried chicken breasts) or frozen indian food or instant ramen or pizza pockets powerade (200cal) iced coffee canned fruits (200cal/can) = 1400cal prebed snack: canned fruit (200cal) oreos (750cal/roll) = 950cal TOTAL: over 7000 calories Yep, has to be trolling or morbidly obese. Disclaimer: I don't know when he says "oreos" if he means a single Oreo or whatnot, but consider that a pack has 3 rolls, and I highly doubt he's stopping at one. When I used to not care about what I eat, I had been able to eat half a pack in one sitting, which would have been over 1000 calories of Oreos. I'm guessing, given his eating habits, that's closer to the truth than not. |
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_Maneki-Neko_ said: Also, I actually cut out all junk food I used to eat when I started exercising to lose weight. I would also mentally track when I'm eating things with too many carbs or calories. It's not too bad, since I do enjoy the food that I still eat. I do miss those salty BBQ or spiced chicken wings though. I looked over the menu of Wingstop where I used to order wings the other day and I was appalled that each wing had over 100 calories and 300mg salt. And I used to order 15-20 of these to save money on one of those "group" deals. No wonder I always felt like shit afterwards. So when I had to order this last week, I bought the smallest menu item, 3 chicken tenders and skipped the fries too. Never again. Maybe when I hit my target weight and start the bulking phase, but that will be at least months away.I know from myself that you got hunger pangs at midnight, if you forbid yourself too much food you like. You can also trick your brain into accepting a no easier, if you tell yourself "I have eaten enough today, I will eat this thing tomorrow / later this week" than "I will never eat this again." That's also a matter of self-discipline and self-conditioning too. |
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loserotaku2 said: i was gaining weight before and asked my sister to help my and she said to stop drinking so much pop, and so i did. i quit soda and have been free for over 2 months now. i have replaced it with fruit juice, smoothies, low fat strawberry milk, iced coffee, powerade, and iced tea. and im still gaining weight. another thing is ive also kicked out potato chips and replaced it with granola bars. so even after all this change im still gaining weight, can anyone explain why that is and how to stop it Okay, if I understand well, you quit soda and you replaced it with fruit juice (sugar), smoothies (sugar), milk (animal fat), coffee (sugar and cafein), tea (sugar and cafein) and an energy drink for people who practice sports (a shitload of sugar, and propably cafein and more shit). You kicked out potato chips and replaced them with granola bars (most probably 5+ different type of chemical sugars like dextrose)... I... loserotaku2 said: 149597871 said: Because you are consuming more calories than you burn. im eating less calories now then before why hasnt it stopped infact after switching to the healthier diet i have gained weight faster then before ... wait you're actually not trolling :'^). OK huh... I can tell you how to lose weight, but you'll need to be motivated because there's a lot to do here in terms of education, I'm not typing 4 pages for someone who'll never read or apply any of it. But holy shit, I can't believe you made your diet worse by trying to improve it... I guess that's the result of decades of misinformation from industrials... I'm not surprised you're gaining weight faster, you're probably eating even more sugar than before U_U Anyway, hit me up here or in PM... If you're ready to hear and do things that won't be pleasant (nothing terrible, but sitting on a chair and adapting your diet in counterproductive ways isn't an effort, lets be clear) |
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logopolis said: Bread has plenty of nutrients. Fibre, minerals and B vitamins. Everyone should aim to have some wholegrain in their diet. Just avoid the white bread, that stuff is crap. All bread is loaded with carbs, so it doesn't matter if it's white bread, or whole wheat bread, it'll still make you fat, not to mention whole wheat bread tastes horrible. I once lost 21lbs in three weeks by quitting sliced bread. |
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| Diet coke experiment: Theory - During this experiment I ate a controlled diet and ate the exact same amount of calories and food, everything was weighed up into portions in the exact same quantities. The only thing that changed from the control diet was that i'd be drinking 2 litres of diet coke every single day for 1 month. Technically the diet only lasted for 3 weeks because I couldn't last until the 4th week I couldn't stand the taste of cola after the 3rd week I called it quits and I was gaining weight fast so I said screw it wasn't worth it. But this scientific controlled experiment I did was to prove that you can gain weight from Diet coke without any increase in calories and eating the same amount of calories before and after the diet. This was the starting weight as seen in the picture  As you can see in the above pic I was at a fairly healthy weight here i'm 5"7 tall or 170cm and my starting weight had been at 58kg exactly.  And this pic above is the final weight after 3 weeks with no change in diet except for drinking 2 litres of diet coke every day I had clearly gained a few kg's in that time and I felt absolutely horrible, I never want to drink coke ever again or even smell it. Results = Yes you can absolutely gain weight from drinking diet coke despite having 0 calories and these results speak for themself. No other change in diet or lifestyle was done during this time period, it was a controlled experiment to rule out any other possible variables. |
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_-_Sally_-_ said: All bread is loaded with carbs, so it doesn't matter if it's white bread, or whole wheat bread, it'll still make you fat, Complex carbohydrates are the primary energy source for most people in the world, and work perfectly well in this role. It will only make you fat if you eat too much. But any food energy source will make you fat if you eat too much. The fibre content of wholemeal bread means there's not too big a danger of that. not to mention whole wheat bread tastes horrible. If you hate the taste of it, then that's unfortunate, but it's your problem. It's not reason to spread false information about the stuff. Plenty of people enjoy their wholemeal bread. I once lost 21lbs in three weeks by quitting sliced bread. Well, only you know the details of that. But that sounds a bit too fast. (And it sounds like you were eating white bread, which is not recommended.) Weight loss should be gradual. |
logopolisSep 12, 2022 7:13 AM
| @loserotaku2: If you have other symptoms than weight-gaining like:
, then go get your glands checked: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/underactive-thyroid-hypothyroidism/ Also, as mentioned before and by others as well, skip the junk food and the pseudo-healthy drinks, just eat normal food and drinks and do it under a normal schedule. Speak: eating more in the mornings and during lunch and less for dinner and not later than 3h before bed or 8pm. Digestion works better under day light and earlier in the day. |
| I think you're heading in the right direction, but truthfully though, it is hard to give individual advice when we don't know your lifestyle, so the advice listed is pretty general. Regarding your soda habit, I would recommend drinking good old fashion water; you could add some fruit if it's too dull. As others have pointed out, the drinks you listed are very likely to be filled with invisible sugar, even if it is healthier. Smoothies and fruit juices often contain way more sugar than you would expect so best to limit your sizes. On the occasion, if you fancy something on the fizzy side, sparkling water can be satisfying. But I don't recommend completely replacing soda with fizzy water entirely - drink soda when you really fancy it but just not every day. Healthy doesn't always mean low in energy, fat, sugar etc. Regarding the granola bars, they can be quite an energy-dense source of food so maybe try a substitute. |
katsucats said: Meusnier said: LOLWhy do you quote me to say that? What is this disgusting strawman? I did not say that "gradual" (it was "progressively" by the way, can you even quote me properly?) meant reducing your calories intake by 1% every week, or that the reduction failed to put OP in caloric deficit. Reducing by 300-500kcal every X period of time (every few weeks or more depending on each person) is what progressive deficit—I did not use that last word, but spare me your dishonest interpretations—means. As before, you desperately stretch to play victim when you're called out. Why do I even bother? If reducing 500 calories is what you meant, then why did you even bother to argue Sally's post when that is exactly what she meant? Meusnier said: Then you just have no idea what you're talking about. Plenty of runners (non-professional) run 7 days a week. Some would even argue it's healthier that way to maintain muscle fitness. You clearly stated above that athletes cross-train when they "rest", and now you're trying to say a cross-train level of activity does not constitute rest. You're contradicting yourself, I'm guessing, because you don't know what cross training is or you read all this shit from a blog that you copy-pasted from and now you're trying to save face. Sally could have been jogging 5K every day at 8mpm, and her cross training is jogging 1600m at 10mpm. Just like how Tour De France cyclists ride for 2+ hours at a relaxed pace in their rest days. No. Non-professionals need more rest or they will get injured. Even professional sports instructors do not train every day after getting older (in their 30s or 40s). But you're here with your magic crystal ball insisting that someone over the internet who you don't even know, you don't know what her health situation is and you don't even know the average intensity of her exercises, "will" get injured. LOL. That's like telling someone they will get injured if they walk around every day and they must get off their feet. I know, I know. You're going to claim I disingenuously misrepresented you and cry woe is me. The tactic is played out, but if it fools just one poor chap on the internet, then you got your karma points. Edit: I still can't get over the fact that your whole argument is that you used the word "progressive" instead of the synonym "gradual". Hahaha. Omfg, quick mafs "As before." You are just making it clear that you pitifully tried to attack me in this irrelevant thread due to an old grudge. In reality, you just put words in my mouth, and now pretend that pointing it out is "playing the victim." I have no time to lose with a sophist of your kind. You cannot even read: "You clearly stated above that athletes cross-train when they "rest," although I wrote "even professional athletes take rest and do cross-training." I do not copy paste anything from a blog, what is this new ridiculous accusation? You could even check if what I wrote was original... But perhaps this discussion is too high-level for a +40-year-old overweighted American (pleonasm) with 25% bodyfat who pretends that he knows anything about sports or dieting. "That's like telling someone they will get injured if they walk around every day and they must get off their feet." Enough of your strawmen. Overtraining does lead to injuries, especially if you always train the same way. There are no karma points to earn here genius, go back to Reddit or arguing with teenagers about your superior cartoon taste. |
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