| I want ideal situations in the real world, not isekai. Like a teacher sexes her student, for example, and the rest of the class watches in awe / spectates and what happens at school stays in school. Or an amateur boxer finds a female sparring partner that beats his ass and they date. |
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| I have enough realism in real life, so I'd rather have more idealism in my fiction. |
| More on the the realistic side but not too realistic. (mostly based on the real world) |
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| I think both idealism and realism can be very good if done right so I guess I choose both of them |
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deg said: Joshhhp said: I think both idealism and realism can be very good if done right so I guess I choose both of them the question is more of a spectrum like 60% idealism while 40% realism unless you want perfect balance of 50/50 between them I get it, well ye a 50/50 balance sounds good indeed for me so I would take that |
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| I like fiction. I want things to be grounded in the rules they come with, but to go the furthest they can in those limitations. As long as you're not talking about character motivations, I would rather see more 'idealism'. |
| I do not watch anime hoping to be immersed in realism. That being said, idealism is good but it can also be extremely cringey. Like all things it depends on the execution. Watching Aria is like taking an all expenses paid vacation to some idyllic paradise. Listening to Shirou from Fate Stay UBW constantly monologue about his stupid ideals is like listening to some hyperactive ADD toddler play pretend. |
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| animes are supposed to be idealistic for obvious reasons |
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| I would prefer a good mix of idealism and realism I guess, but honestly depends on the way it's executed, I don't mind either as long as it's interesting to watch. |
| I prefer realism in anime, it is interesting to watch how characters live in life, not imagined circumstances, although all fiction is imagined by authors. |
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IpreferEcchi said: Or an amateur boxer finds a female sparring partner that beats his ass and they date. Hyper Grapple arc of Violence Jack does something like this. It's among the more fantastical arcs. |
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| I do want some realistic aspects or based in realism. |
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| I'm trying to figure out what you mean by idealism. Do you just mean fantasy/fantastical? I prefer fantasy and fiction over non-fiction but I think there is a balance to be made with how much realism you insert into your fantasy and that balance changes from show to show depending on what the show is going for. A crazy show like Kill-a-kill has no need for realism where as a show like Summertime renderer benefits from having some elements of realism as to help the audience really feel what's at stake. |
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| i prefer realism. if it is too idealistic, it breaks the illusion for me. i like to believe i am observing another world. but if the anime is purely idealistic or completely unrealistic then i don't mind. since in that case it isn't meant to be believable in the first place. i like some silly comedic anime in that category. |
| Idealism. If I wanted realism, I would go outside into the cruel unforgiving world of reality. |
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| Neither, I value execution of premise, no matter what it is. Also, a "realistic" anime would probably bore anybody to tears if you had to go strictly by the definition of the term. "Believable construct" or "Verisimilarity" are the ones you are looking for, since anime uses a variety of narrative shortcuts and fantasy sleights of the hand to be budget and entertainment friendly. If show is supposed to convey an idealistic message, you can't make the nihilistic villain win and present him as right, for instance. As for a show whose point is to have believability, you can't just decide to go full out fantasy. If something betrays its vision, I'll rip it to pieces for being "muh subvertion of expectations" bait and switch. Overall, I just desire more fun that is not all about otaku pandering. |
sorceryAug 31, 2022 1:50 PM
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gigglebones said: i'm guessing these terms are synonymous with happy and sad you can have some idealism within realistic standards without breaking disbelief, but to go with one i'd say realism You obviously confuse tone and with what has more to do with the philosophical inclination of the show. For example, a bleak anime can decide to have a take on what's being an idealist. |
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| It all depends on the execution. Portrayal of idealism and realism just needs to happen properly then I don't really care which side it leans on. Although my favourites are more on the realistic side. Anyway, thread hits different after our discussion on vinland saga lol. |
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| I generally prefer idealism, though I think the best animes are a balance of both. |
| Don't understand why I would need to pick. It really all comes down to the tone or kind of story being told. Some kinds of stories will benefit from more grounded dialogue, characters and art styles others would benefit from something overly wacky. I probably veer a bit more to "realism" out of my own preferences but I think it's great when anime is wacky or ideal distant from reality too. I don't want the medium to ever lose that. Plus to be honest these terms are kinda vague. I have seen people define "realism" in many ways often defining reality in a way I don't see it. Often it's just an imagined reality than truth. We all create them. Ideal also doesn't have to mean "unrealistic" either. KireiKommunist said: I read Oyasumi Punpun and rewatched Evangelion the last year or so and noticed that media which doesn't whitewash characters problems or the cruelty of living have a much bigger impact on me. May it be in anime or in RL, baseless optimism annoys me more the more often I'm confronted with it, so it feels fresh and genuine to have some things that portray the world as what it is. I also don't want to end up as one of this losers that use anime to escape from reality and idealistic stuff tends to go in this direction. Anime already have a huge escapism problem. We don't need any more of that. Please tell me the world actually is lol. It's hardly just cynicism and depression either. Baseless cynicism is just annoying as baseless optimism and it isn't realistic either. How you perceive the world isn't the definition of what "realism" is which is the problem with these terms at all unless you are talking about the obvious ridiculous things in the medium "realism" actually is hard to define and means different things to different people. Edit: Appealing to escapism like anything is just a form of enjoyment and like everything it has it's merits and issues. Escapism isn't just writing your typical isekai protag with a harem, super world breaking powers or whatever it can mean a lot of things. Writing bitter, cynical or depressing stories doesn't mean you are actually avoiding escapism. I actually would argue EVA while critiques it ultimately is an escapist self insertion for Anno and for many people through all the issues Shinji goes through. People love trauma porn for the same reason they enjoy self insert power fantasies at the end of the day it's all just a vector to escape their world either through wanting to be or have something in the form of power fantasies or the desire of empathy through suffering or vulnerability in the form of the tramua porn. You still are looking to media to deal with your problems in some small way therefore looking for escape. As someone who has had ups and downs over the years the last thing I think would be good for me is constantly looking for media to validate my biased and bleak worldview. Just because it's your reality doesn't mean it's THE reality or truth. |
BilboBaggins365Aug 31, 2022 3:40 PM
| Realism sucks so idealism all the way. It is supposed to entertain. Just read ntr hentai if you want realism. Lol |
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deg said: BilboBaggins365 said: Don't understand why I would need to pick. It really all comes down to the tone or kind of story being told. Some kinds of stories will benefit from more grounded dialogue, characters and art styles others would benefit from something overly wacky. I probably veer a bit more to "realism" out of my own preferences but I think it's great when anime is wacky or ideal distant from reality too. I don't want the medium to ever lose that. Plus to be honest these terms are kinda vague. I have seen people define "realism" in many ways often defining reality in a way I don't see it. Often it's just an imagined reality than truth. We all create them. Ideal also doesn't have to mean "unrealistic" either. Please tell me the world actually is lol. It's hardly just cynicism and depression either. Baseless cynicism is just annoying as baseless optimism and it isn't realistic either. How you perceive the world isn't the definition of what "realism" is which is the problem with these terms at all unless you are talking about the obvious ridiculous things in the medium. its not a dilemma its a spectrum preference either more realism while less idealism or vice versa Yeah what are those things though? That's my point it's not easy to define unless we again just talked about outrageous slapstick. People can have different understandings of reality in the first place and "idealism" just means ideal doesn't mean unrealistic either. |
KireiKommunist said: For Anno: I'm sure that Eva helped him to cope with his problems. The difference is he didn't use it to flee from them. Before the production of Eva Anno had a phase where he complitely shut himself down for years. When it came to his mind to create a show with the theme of "not running away" because that was what he was doing until that moment. He created Eva to face his problems and mistakes and not to escape from them. Big difference. I mean we don't know his personal life. I am going to say for some they use shows like EVA to say well escapsim is bad guys and then they drown themselves in cynicism and depression. The basic reason is that escapism can be bad not is bad is that it hinders your ability to do anything or pull yourself out of your plight. You could really use any form of media or recreation to do that and power fantasies aren't always the best at it. Your right that the message of EVA is don't run away but again how many people who empathize with that show apply it? How many just feel empathy for Shinji's suffering cause that is how they feel and that is it? KireiKommunist said: I don't want to lose myself in an argument about the existence of objective reality, but even if we consider that everybody has his own reality it doesn't weaken my point in the slightest. In fact it's the opposite. Take for example a person who lived a sheltered life and is in general pretty happy and fullfilled. This person perceives reality a lot different then a person that is constantly unhappy and wishes he had a better life. The former probably won't fall into escapism. And you know why? Because he doesn't have any reason too. There is nothing in his reality of live he needs to escape from. The thing is this doesn't apply for most if not for all humans. When somebody engages in escapism he does it to escape from problems he himself deals with. Or rather from problems which he should deal with. People escape from THEIR reality. Well again what is the escapism in the first place? Is it having friends, having someone who loves you, being strong? Outside of the insane unrealistic stuff all this is obtainable and therefore not "unrealistic". Sure something like Yuru Camp might be seen as "idealistic" because we aren't cute moe girls with no physical imperfections hanging out but the basic mood of enjoying a hobby with a friend is something I think most people would say is their reality. My point is just that "escapism", "idealism" or whatever outside of some of the exaggeration isn't really unrealistic and therefore stories largely around it aren't the problem it's the exaggerated expectations of the viewer. I don't think without escapist media those expectations would change either. People always have a constant longing for something new or exciting and escapism gives that even if they are living a good life. KireiKommunist said: If you use media as a form of suffer porn and doesn't do something to make your life better or to come to terms with yourself then yeah it's just another form of escapism and therefore also bad. It comes all don't to facing your problems and to expire in a constant state of self pity isn't that. I don't think that having your Isekai power fantasy is bad per se. Having something for the sake of fun is good here and there. The problem comes when you lose yourself in this things. It's kinda like alcohol. You can use it in moderation, but there is the danger of overdosation. And too much people don't know their limit. I agree but that is what I am saying is that "realism" doesn't fix the problems of "idealist escapism" it's all the same at the end of the day. Like for some American adult cartoons I feel they often have the opposite issue of anime where they portray the world in a very bitter cynical light and that world isn't better than the isekai power fantasy. Like everything of course we need a balance of perspective and the general realization is this is all fiction. If you want your reality just read the news, a biography or history (to some degree as that contains bias too) or just go talk to your fellow coworkers, friends loved ones whatever. |
| A good story line with good character flow make it doesn't matter it's a real or fantasy world. The true potential of anime is that it can bring out both to the fullest... |
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