| I mean only the first half about the turtle was bad. |
MidoFortune said: And the second part with bad animation, story changes with no sense, plot holes, forced fanservice, etcI mean only the first half about the turtle was bad. |
| I read ahead after season 1 and this arc was boring as hell in the manga as well. If anything the anime improved some things. |
| Season 1 wasn’t even that good, it was decent up until the point Naofumi gets his revenge on Myne, after that the show lost what initially made it very interesting and just became another power fantasy. |
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| This show was never good to begin with, people are just realizing that in this season. |
MidoFortune said: nah this entire season is garbaggio I mean only the first half about the turtle was bad. |
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| Nothing they could do about it. The author hated the Turtle arc but they couldn't skip it without explaining where alot of characters come from. |
| A lot of main staff changed for this season. That's the main reason for a weak season. |
ShadowUnown said: This show was never good to begin with, people are just realizing that in this season. Wise words man, it happened to me. I loved S1, but on second thought (after watching S2) I did realize than only the first half was good, but much else was meh, specially the Pope fight. |
Massdrop said: Artrevi said: I just wanna know why was this second season so bad? First season was amazing, had so much success they instantly confirmed S2 and S3, it was the same studio and they had more than enough time So why did they screw it up so bad? Why did they cut content, changed the elements of the story and had horrible animation even when it was 12 episodes instead of 24? Did something happened that I missed cause it really doesn’t makes sense to me new director is the only reason lmao dude totally butchered this show. Mhm after I learned that it explained so much. I think otherwise, most of the original staff stayed for Season 2? And they did also bring in DR Movie to assist with some things. This new director really hurt it though. |
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| What I can imagine. Budget was low. So they went and used manga shots as key frames filling gaps with talks and something 3D. Director was there in name only. Or he is incredibly incompetents. Scripts was direct extraction from source without any "gap filling" or changes required to translate to another media. I get that first part was boring in a source, but second part is not really better and suffers from cuts instead. E.g. I could never understand turtle scale. It does not look that big when walks or they cut its head. But then bam! — three mountains and a city on top. And the maze inside. This is not just miss. That means nobody cared about making solid work in a first place. Just use as little money as possible to get through. |
Jcwildturkey101 said: Artrevi said: I just wanna know why was this second season so bad? First season was amazing, had so much success they instantly confirmed S2 and S3, it was the same studio and they had more than enough time So why did they screw it up so bad? Why did they cut content, changed the elements of the story and had horrible animation even when it was 12 episodes instead of 24? Did something happened that I missed cause it really doesn’t makes sense to me to be technical the second season wasn't even official for like a year or 2 after season one and was up in the air, but they made sure to confirm season 3 in production while season 2 started airing so we shouldn't have to wait too long Season 2 & 3 was officially announced 2 months after season 1 finished at the Crunchyroll Expo in 2019. |
| I've been mulling it over as well, honestly I have a hard time pinpointing exactly what the problem is but here are some thoughts: -Rushed to oblivion. Within just a few episodes you're supposed to be introduced to the spirit turtle with little to no foreshadowing, "bond" with Ost, be invested in and develop an irrational hate for Kyou and feel bad for Ost after she's gone. It's all too fast with hardly any substance. All throughout the season I found myself asking, how is any of this building on season 1? -It feels like every character is in stasis which in turn makes the whole season feel pointless. The author has nothing new to say that wasn't already said better in s1. - Everything in this season leads to a confrontation Kyou and honestly when we finally got there at the end I just did not care at all. So yeah, maybe the LN motivated the whole thing better but the anime just didn't have a hook. Comparatively s1 immediately establishes a hook in ep1. |
frdrchtg said: Everyones opinions are different, but imo S2 wasnt completely bad. It changed a lot too, most complain about it not being a revenge story anymore, I mean come on its an adventure anime, its not gonna stick with the revenge part for another season. The animation, its definitely a downgrade, who knows maybe the next season its better. Look, you either stick with Revenge driven or not. I'm okay with silly adventure but the core of the show was revenge and it's not there. Plus, the characters got significant progression. |
| It's the VAIRUS, the world still hasn't completely recovered. That's probably what they'll say, and it could be true. But we know at this rate, anime is gonna end in the next decade if BIG shows keep degrading in quality like this. |
TonyicJun 29, 2022 3:33 PM
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| it was never good to begin with. Just a garbage isekai/battle shounen with a garbage hook to lure in incels. |
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Stink_Bug said: Anjuro said: -It feels like every character is in stasis which in turn makes the whole season feel pointless. The author has nothing new to say that wasn't already said better in s1. I've been trying to put my finger on why this (entire) season felt off and this is a big part of it, I believe. Literal stasis, in terms of the (too many) characters in a group just standing around in the back while something happened, and also in the removal of the RPG progression and elements. Here characters just used the same old basic techniques until *poof* they pull a new move out of their ass that's needed to defeat whatever obstacle popped up in their way. I think there was only one leveling scene in the entire season and they slideshowed their way through it! Agreed. There is definitely a clear lack of direction. To me it kind of seems like the beginning (season 1) of the show was about naofumi being unfairly mistreated and overcoming the odds and once that plotline had run its course the author didn't know what to do next so he literally places the characters in a parallel universe to effectively replay s1 with "movie rules" (characters and circumstances are not allowed to meaningfully change or develop) and at the end of the season we are virtually at the same place as we were at the start. |
Artrevi said: I just wanna know why was this second season so bad? First season was amazing, had so much success they instantly confirmed S2 and S3, it was the same studio and they had more than enough time So why did they screw it up so bad? Why did they cut content, changed the elements of the story and had horrible animation even when it was 12 episodes instead of 24? Did something happened that I missed cause it really doesn’t makes sense to me Bro I'm wondering the same thing, s1 was in my top 10 of all time anime, but if s1 was a 10/10, s2 was like a 6/10 at best.... I'm broken up about it. |
| Plain ass storyboard and director really slept for the whole season which can be seen in his lack of participation in SB/ED . Especially the animation production of shield hero s2 was totally abysmal which you can easily see from your naked eye . EP#13 totally did in a haste lemme give you some numbers 5 storyboarders , 4 Episode directors, 18 + Animation directors, 42 key animator’s and 5 production assistant solely for this Ep #13 . DR movie which helped them through out the whole season isn’t even credited in last episode lol how can they casually remove DR movie . I don’t have high hopes for s3 . Season 2 of shield hero adaptation is worse than a typical isekai adaptation even Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu Ω and Ore dake Haireru Kakushi Dungeon can be said good compared to shield hero s2 |
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| There are a share of reasons, mostly points that have been elaborated on. 1. This season adapted probably the most boring part in the manga. I read ahead in the manga after season 1 and the spirit tortoise arc was so god damn boring that I stopped reading in the middle of it. I had a bad feeling it also wouldn’t translate well over to an anime version and lo and behold, it didn’t. 2. With only 12 episodes to work with, characters and plot didn’t get a chance to get fully fleshed out. If this were a two-cour, it may have been better, especially the half where they go to the other world…but it’s hard to say. I didn’t get to that part in the manga, so I don’t know just how much content was cut or rushed through. 3. Naofumi lost what made him such a great character. What made Naofumi so interesting in the first season was his gritty personality, his motivation for growing stronger and his intellect for figuring out how to win battles strategically with the various shield types that he acquired. This season, he was lacking all of these aspects. Naofumi wasn’t a focal point (it instead felt like ALL of the focus was put on the characters around Naofumi). He essentially felt like a background character going through the motions. It also seemed like he was CONSTANTLY getting bailed out by his posse instead of leading them. 4. Villains weren’t fleshed out or interesting. Not that this was something the first season excelled in considering the priest was a villain that came out of complete nowhere, but everyone and their mother hated Myne, so that was an interesting villain. However, the Book Vassal weapon wielder (his name escapes me…he’s that uninteresting)…just felt so contrived. His motivations made zero sense and he felt like one of those characters that was written to be evil for the sake of being evil. I felt he could have been interesting if the anime dived more into why he became the way he did, but it blew past his back story at record speed. 5. The anime is getting a little too harem-baited. Let’s face it…the harem started getting too big when Melty was let into the party. Add Rishia, Ost, Yomogi (at least she still had eyes on the Book dude) and Kizuna…it’s just getting ridiculous at this point. Add a frigging dude to the shield hero’s party for crying out loud! Getting tired of all these girls fawning all over Naofumi. 6. Glass, L’Arc and Therese went from strong and interesting characters to COMPLETE afterthoughts. I mean hell, even when a portion of the anime focused on them with Raphtalia, they felt so shoehorned in. 7. The final battle/climax was so rushed, that it felt like a One Punch Man fight. The tension was completely lacking in the second to last episode that when it was over, my general response is, “that’s it? That’s all it took to bring down the ‘supervillain’ of this season?” I felt both the fight with that priest and the battle against, Glass, L’Arc and Therese in Season 1 had a ton more tension than this fight. 8. The final episode felt like a filler. They could have ended it after the second-to-last episode and had the same result. I mean shoot, I actually thought it was the last episode until I went back to MAL and it said there was one more episode. All-in-all, it was a bad season. I sure hope Season 3 is a lot better, but I will admit this season didn’t instill a lot of confidence in me that it will get better. |
| We'll never know just due to the nature of Japanese businesses. But I think some reasonable possibilities are: Crunchyroll Producing this is a huge red flag. New Director Citrus is also scrambling to get ready for their flag ship IP Made in Abyss' 2nd Season With a narrative of something like this: S1 was an unexpected hit and turned into a real underdog performer in 2019 and grasped a notable following in the West. Crunchyroll has rapidly grown in the past few years and now have an extremely robust merchandizing business and have gone on to invest heavily in certain productions they believe will be perform well for them and thus well here in the West as 90% of normies just pay for a CR sub. Despite S1s popularity and positive reception, S2 clearly was put on the backburner for a few years by Citrus with them focusing on Revue Starlight and Made in Abyss (Both are blinding examples of what this studio is capable of). Crunchyroll probably began putting more pressure on them and offered more and more financing which Citrus eventually said "Fine" and threw this together to keep the lights on and everyone fed while the A and B teams finish up planning and start production on MIA S2. Either way, new season means renewed interest, which means new merchandising, new figures, and big money for Crunchyroll regardless if it's dog shit or good. Everything above is total speculation based on the basic facts of the situation but I think it's a reasonable scenario. |
SurgetJul 1, 2022 2:40 PM
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| I liked S1 because MC was treated like garbage, was framed and it was an overall unwelcoming (for him) world where he had to do shady things to get by (including getting a slave). I had no issues of him been "OP" at some point, but I liked his attitude towards others and the lack of acknowledgment of his achievements. Besides the slow pace of early S2 episodes and a boring af turtle business the main issue I have is him really becoming another Jesus-kun of sort. And there is zero character building or exploring to work around the issue of main plot, there are no jokes to at least have a good time as the series take itself seriously so it feels boring. Quality wise it's also lacking with lots of static shots and dragging pauses during dialogues. (I still have no idea what made them use a disgusting 3d turtle) Disappointing. |
| I have no clue why either. Different team? No resources? The second reason seems unlikely since these guys had the balls to make the 13th episode a recap after rushing through so much content in 12 episodes which even an anime-only could feel. |
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