| https://www.newsweek.com/henry-kissinger-ukraine-should-give-territory-russia-reach-peace-1709488 https://twitter.com/Revelations__T/status/1529092561197056002 “Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia” Henry Kissinger has been pro-Russia since this whole Russia-Ukraine stuff happened. This is from 2014: https://consortiumnews.com/2014/11/12/when-henry-kissinger-makes-sense/ https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/11/20/listen-to-kissinger-n131754 (more in-depth) Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger disputes the mainstream U.S. media’s view of the Ukraine crisis, noting that Russia’s response was reactive to the West’s actions, not the other way around. Curiously, one of the few prominent Westerners who has dared question the prevailing wisdom on Ukraine is former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger who said, in an interview with the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel, that the West was exaggerating the significance of the Crimean annexation given the peninsula’s long historic ties to Russia. “The annexation of Crimea was not a move toward global conquest,” the 91-year-old Kissinger said. “It was not Hitler moving into Czechoslovakia” as former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and others have suggested. |
LoliAnchormanMay 24, 2022 7:16 AM
| Die like you did by the lake on Naboo. |
| If you're too hawkish even for Kissinger, there's a problem in your geopolitical agenda. |
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 Soros, reading from a piece of paper, calls for "defeating Putin for the sake of saving our civilization" during a dinner at the World Economic Forum.   WHO DO YOU SUPPORT, KISSENGER OR SOROS? Either way the Jews win. |
LoliAnchormanMay 25, 2022 3:06 AM
| Die like you did by the lake on Naboo. |
Moonspeak said: If you're too hawkish even for Kissinger, there's a problem in your geopolitical agenda. The thing is that if Ukraine gives Russia land yet again, it will only give Putin more time to recover and organize another full scale invasion, taking Ukraine's land piece by piece until there's nothing left. |
| Appeasement policies never work , and we can't show weakness, also no country should and normally never give up their land like this. Ukraine is massing up trained personnel and holding up until their men get trained in heavier and deadly equipment, no reason to accept any terms as of now since the Russians are taking heavy casualties for small pieces of land. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
| He's one of the worst people in history, but I agree with him here. I guess he can be lot more honest since he's past the days of helping plan bombings and overthrowing of governments. Enough with cheering on the war, it's time to put an end to it. |
HoloisHolo said: He's one of the worst people in history, but I agree with him here. I guess he can be lot more honest since he's past the days of helping plan bombings and overthrowing of governments. Enough with cheering on the war, it's time to put an end to it. or maybe he's just the usual and the only reason his opinion is the same as yours this time is because you've got the wrong conclusion about the correct way to properly end the current crisis. Giving land to Russia and accepting to not join NATO would only be giving Putin exactly what he wants, and encourage him to continue elsewhere later, and this time, with a better army, as he'll have no doubt learned some lessons on what doesn't work right now for the Russian Army. That's one of the worst possible scenario not only for Ukraine, but for the world as well, especially for any Russian neighbour not part of NATO. |
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Zefyris said: for the world as well Oh The world... You mean the rest of non Western countries siding with Russia in the matter of US imperialism ? Cuz that's a big fucking lot of them. |
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Moonspeak said: Zefyris said: for the world as well Oh The world... You mean the rest of non Western countries siding with Russia in the matter of US imperialism ? Cuz that's a big fucking lot of them. Yes, I mean the world. not even mankind, the world as all living species in it. More conflicts potentially started by Putin = more chances of getting a nuclear WW3. I think there's no denying that it would endanger the world's life in its entirety, and that anything that lowers the chances of this happening is, well, "better for the world" |
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Moonspeak said: @Zefyris Wanna count the number of conflicts started by the US and those started by Russia since the end of the Cold War ? We may laugh a bit. Yeah the US invading everywhere out of humanitarianism, because the Iraqis are mean to the Kurds, holding onto Afghanistan for 20 years for the sake of feminism. |
| @Zefyris How is keeping and expanding a Cold War era alliance all around the borders of the former ennemies and stuffing them with military and nukes avoiding a third world war, pray ? Careful with the dellusional stuff, you may end up just as ridiculous as the other nazi nut defending a mass shooting. I'm listening to you for now, but I won't be hearing that much dishonest bs to the same length. |
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Moonspeak said: @Zefyris Wanna count the number of conflicts started by the US and those started by Russia since the end of the Cold War ? We may laugh a bit. Moonspeak said: @Zefyris How is keeping and expanding a Cold War era alliance all around the borders of the former ennemies and stuffing them with military and nukes avoiding a third world war, pray ? Careful with the dellusional stuff, you may end up just as ridiculous as the other nazi nut defending a mass shooting. I'm listening to you for now, but I won't be hearing that much dishonest bs to the same length. whataboutism, mate. Always helpful in any situation right ? Wanna tell me how the respective numbers are going to change anything if nuclear bombs start flying around ? "The world ended because we didn't do what was necessary to prevent it. But don't worry, it was definitely the other guys' fault, so it's fine. Source: TrustMeBro, Putin was saying he wasn't his fault and he never told a lie in his life". |
ZefyrisJun 2, 2022 9:06 AM
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| Are you for real ? Whataboutism, ffs ? American geopolitical agenda ? THIS IS THE VERY ORIGIN OF THE CONFLICT FCS You don't seem to be equiped with what's needed to talk to me, welcome to the list of people that are not worthy of an answer. |
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Moonspeak said: Are you for real ? Whataboutism, ffs ? American geopolitical agenda ? THIS IS THE VERY ORIGIN OF THE CONFLICT FCS You don't seem to be equiped with what's needed to talk to me, welcome to the list of people that are not worthy of an answer. No it's not. The root of nations joining NATO is the fear instilled to every single Russia neighbour that they may be next on a madman's list. And the root of this conflict is that very same madman's unachievable territorial ambitions. And the conflict has accelerated the process even more, making countries notoriously against more military cooperation to cooperate with NATO / EU defence forces. It IS whataboutism mate. How the hell does any of what you said matter if the conflict degenerates into a WW3 ? None. L.i.t.t.e.r.al.l.y n.o.n.e. So first focus on making sure that Putin's expansionist views do not devolve into more wars that could cause ww3. And that is definitely NOT achieved by giving him what he wants. Letting him take Crimea did NOT stop him from starting again. And I mean yeah the next step after whataboutism in a conversation where you had zero argument is indeed to walk away. |
ZefyrisJun 2, 2022 11:04 AM
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Zefyris said: HoloisHolo said: He's one of the worst people in history, but I agree with him here. I guess he can be lot more honest since he's past the days of helping plan bombings and overthrowing of governments. Enough with cheering on the war, it's time to put an end to it. or maybe he's just the usual and the only reason his opinion is the same as yours this time is because you've got the wrong conclusion about the correct way to properly end the current crisis. Giving land to Russia and accepting to not join NATO would only be giving Putin exactly what he wants, and encourage him to continue elsewhere later, and this time, with a better army, as he'll have no doubt learned some lessons on what doesn't work right now for the Russian Army. That's one of the worst possible scenario not only for Ukraine, but for the world as well, especially for any Russian neighbour not part of NATO. Then what is the correct way to go about it. Keep fighting, more loss of Ukrainian land, a long drawn out war with more billions spent supplying Ukraine while here in America; weapons manufacturers and those in congress with their stocks rake in the millions. Or possibly an event that sparks direct conflict. No Was Putin right to invade. Absolutely not. Should we make this a long drawn out war just to fuck over Putin and Russia. No, but they've been pretty open about doing that. It's not so much countries joining NATO itself that has Russia concerned, it's the military bases and missiles that are pointed at Russia from NATO expanding that is of concern. And the last straw was the Maidan Revolution in 2014, in which then Russia would have a US-backed government right next door to them. You do end it by officially recognizing Ukraine not join NATO actually. NATO nations themselves don't really want Ukraine in NATO since they don't want to be forced to be involved over that cause that's WW3. But essentially they've been keeping the door open just to antagonize Russia. In Ukraine not joining NATO People will say oh that's exactly what Putin wants! Well it's pretty common sense thing to do and beneficial for both sides. Especially Ukraine. Ukraine won't have to be caught in the middle of the foreign policy provocations between Russia and the US, their government won't have to be aligned with either Russia or the US, putting an end to the geopoliticking over them. And they can move forward in rebuilding with a lot less corrupt government. As for land Russia has gained, I don't know, but they gotta agree on something For Donetsk and Lugansk. They've been fighting against Ukraine for 8 years. It's time to put an end to that conflict. Putin has stated they would not be apart of Russia, and for both sides, I don't see how that's not a reasonable thing to agree upon. And I doubt it would encourage him to invade elsewhere when this hasn't gone exactly as planned |
HoloisHoloJun 3, 2022 12:20 AM
| Ironically if Navalny had deposed Putin he would have trimmed the massive Russian corruption and Russia would have won in Ukraine by March. Thankfully for Ukraine Purin decided to imprison and poison him. |
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| Quite a while back I was saying the current situation could have been avoided had the Ukrainian gov helped run legit votes on allowing independence of some portions of Ukraine no matter how it turns out, though that would have not needed had they not had a culture war against the Russian speaking Ukrainians; and had it removed the Neo Nazi groups from official status as part of their military and not pretend it had a chance at joining NATO at least not doing so until Russia joined NATO which Putin originally wanted but due to his tsundere approach at not following guidlines to join no surprise Russia didn't get to join. That would mean even if there were other motives Putin just wouldn't have had an excuse to send troops into Ukraine. It's a win win scenario. |
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| America shouldn't listen to him. He is full of crap. Stand with Ukraine!! |
| A country that can't protect or manage a plot of land shouldn't feel entitled to keep it. |
| Not only is that hyper hypocritical coming from Kissinger from all people, but I don't trust anything that the WEF says, they're just as suspicious as Putin - if not worse |
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