Original TV Anime 'Opus.COLORs' Announced for 2023

Swagernator said:
So whos gonna sexually assault who ?

O_T_T said:

• Why should it be wrong to comment on a show someone does not want to watch and that does not appear to be any good? Are you trying to insinuate that only positive feedback should be allowed, that only it is correct? Would one, in your eyes, have a life in that scenario, but not in the other?
  
• "I dislike that some people don't like this sort of show, so I'll assume they all like the sorts of shows I dislike." Come on, that's just childish. And are we to believe that you have a life, whilst also hating on those sorts of shows? Hypocritical, isn't it?
  
• "What they THINK is yaoi or shoujo" - it clearly is. And even if it weren't, you can't forbid interpretation.
  

I'll go ahead and assume this is about me, since you're clearly obsessed. No doubt you think of me in the dead of night, almost romantic, that is, but regardless, that's a cheap insult and you know it. If I'm really "pretentious," you should be able to point out how I've ever misunderstood the subjects I discuss, but curiously you cannot.



So, according to you, it's homophobic to not be attracted to gay relationships? I don't think you fully understand any part of the equation here.

That aside, much of what you're saying here is hypocritical and presumptive, much like what I pointed out for @lazyinternsan above. The both of you should just realise the wider community's view of this genre is irrelevant, and stop throwing a fit about it.

O_T_T said:


Justify this claim, then. As of yet you've just asserted it without support, so it's not a valid statement. I remind you that what you've essentially said is "it's homophobic to not be gay," and that's quite obviously a ridiculous opinion, that's not how sexuality works.



That's a contradictory sentence. "Not liking" the genre is "hating" it. What you likely mean is "what's the point of voicing your dislike for the genre," to which I can simply rely "what's the point of voicing that you like it?" Like I said earlier, why should praise be considered "better" than derision? You're just asking for an echo chamber, and that just impedes interpreting and analysing media.



First of all, it's evidently yaoi from the synopsis and cover, I already mentioned this. To say "we don't know" is just outright denial.

Second, this appears to be one of the main problems at the heart of your opinion, that it is "disrespectful" to be negative about the show. The issues here are that there's no reason to believe that a critical view on a work is "disrespectful," and there's also no reason to believe it commands respect in the first place.



How many people like a genre is an Ad Populum, and whether or not there are good examples doesn't automatically mean this one will be the same.



This is the second big problem in your position, the belief that people should forbid themselves from speaking on things they dislike. But there's no reason that should be anyone's obligation. Like before, you're just relying on an assumption that it is inherently better to be positive then negative, and once again, that's just trying to form an echo chamber.



First, it's not "rude" to be negative about a show, I pointed this out 2 sections above.

Second, your opinion is all about why others' opinions are "rude," so by your own logic, you should shut your trap. If it is "disrespectful" to be critical about a show, what gives you the prerogative to be critical about everyone else's views?

O_T_T said:


You appear to just be reiterating the same incorrect beliefs I pointed out earlier. I repeat, to be "rude" about a piece of media is a nonsensical idea. No work of fiction warrants respect, nor does a negative view towards any said work strike against whatever "respect" you presume they deserve.

The idea that people "don't know about" a particular show and therefore should refrain from passing comment about it is false and hypocritical. False, because what one can find from promotional material, genre conventions and cultural osmosis is an entirely valid perspective from which to examine a show. And hypocritical, because if you wish to argue that one can't have a view on the work yet because of a lack of information, then you yourself should abide by this. You do not have enough information to claim it isn't anything you're denying about it.



But that show is paedophile bait. It's about a adult-coded protagonist being in a relationship with a child-coded character. How "the manga readers" try to defend this is irrelevant, as is bringing that show up. We're discussing Opus.COLORs, not that one.



A - Not being automatically positive about a show is not "being toxic." I've explained this to you about 6 times by now.

B - Highly presumptive, that. I do not feel that that statement applies to me, and I imagine it doesn't for a great many other people.

C - Even if it were true, if everyone "loved anime," that in no way prevents legitimate criticism of said anime. Loving a medium does not mean automatically loving every work within it.



Two guys staring into each others' eyes with their fingers reaching to touch each other. In an artstyle that places emphasis on necks, hands and faces. With the synopsis having lines like "Various "colors" collide and overlap with each other. What is the "color" of the scene that meet their eyes?" Nobody is "jumping" to anything, we're all making the logical conclusion based on available evidence. You yourself have done this, in fact, as you're defending the show as a yaoi that may break convention and the like, as you can see below:



Once again, you can't be disrespectful to a television show. It's not a person with feelings, it's some footage and sound spliced together to tell a story. The idea that one may sexually assault another is, as you said, a trope of the genre. It is not disrespectful to be aware of this. I also point out again that though there may certainly be examples of good yaoi shows, it does not follow that this one automatically will be. There is no basis on which you can claim it shan't feature such an event, other than blind hope.

I also not you've failed to justify the assertion that it is homophobic to not consume yaoi anime. Therefore, that claim is dismissed.

O_T_T said:


Saying the same thing over and over is not how you "make someone understand." Explaining and justifying your beliefs is. I've already made effort to walk you through such a process, and you've not done so.



Firstly, we can't be sure it involves "hard work." A lot of media, anime especially, appears to lack critical effort, being hollow in story and theme, only pumped out to satisfy corporate margins. To immediately select this one as being one that is a genuine passion project is presumptive.

Second, if we assume that a work in question did take lots of hard work, it's still not "rude" or "disgusting" to be critical of it. To quote the comedian Robert Webb; "Sincerity is no excuse for failure." Producing a work of fiction is not in itself something to applaud, only producing a good one is, so by doing the former you're delegitimising the pursuit of quality in art.



I notice you employ this sentence a lot in this response of yours, but, though perhaps you may not be aware, it's an attempt to diminish the conversation. By having the belief that certain positions on a matter are "on" anyone, that they cannot possibly be understood by the other party and therefore should not be evaluated, is just limiting both the conversation and your own scope of knowledge on the subject.

Now, I've explained extensively why it is not "disrespectful" to be negative about a show. The reasons why are not uniquely understood by myself, nor subjective, nor under any other sort of caveat that keeps them "on me." To try and dismiss everything I've said as you've done here is awfully fallacious, and really just a weak show all-round. If you have no actual counterpoints to make against what I've said, you'd do better to take your leave.



I didn't imply that the two were the same, nor did I state what you claim to agree with at the start of this sentence. I didn't say "there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism," I said that criticism of any sort cannot be considered "rude," or "disrespectful," or "hateful," or any of the other terms you've tried to ascribe to it. Do refrain from misrepresenting my position as you just did.



This is similar to what I noted above, an attempt to diminish the conversation by saying "oh well those are just both of our views." Additionally, it's not relevant what you "get," nor who likes what, neither of those have anything to do with this discussion.



I have already gone over how a negative comment about a work of media cannot possibly be considered "hateful" or "rude." Like with your claim of homophobia, you are simply repeating this over and over but never once justifying this, so such assertions are simply invalid.



And you think that what you like should dictate everyone else's behaviour?



You appear to have the wrong idea of what this conversation is about. I am not trying to change your opinion, I'm explaining why your opinion is wrong. Whether or not you rectify it it as a result of such revelation is your own business.



I've already mentioned how Aharen is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand, but since you seem to have grossly misunderstood what "bait" even is, I'll elaborate on it.

In short, a person cannot be "bait" as a result of physical features, as they are largely out of their control. In a work of fiction, however, it's entirely at the whim of the author. The creator of Aharen could have designed the character to not be child-coded, but they instead intentionally had them be so. Likewise, the audience had the choice to select a different "wholesome" show that features a less problematic couple, but instead sought out one that specifically features one, suggesting assent of such a relationship.

What most fail to realise is that every single detail in a work of media affects both the resulting piece and the audience it cultivates. For this reason, any attempt to play to a particular group at the expense of the work's quality can be considered "bait."



See above for how this attempt at dismissal is fallacious. And again, how much of the anime community loves something (which is actually a minority, in this scenario) is an Ad Populum.



Here, you incorrectly assume that being negative about a show somehow translates to insulting the audience, including yourself. If you're seriously so engrossed in a genre or medium that any criticism of it you find as striking against your very being, you need to grow up, unironically. It's just a show. Calm down.



Because it throws you into a fit, as seen above. For "drama" to exist, it requires someone to get annoyed. You're as much a part of the problem, or rather, only you see it as a problem in the first place.



You most certainly did fucking not. You merely repeated it over and over, even after I pointed out an obvious flaw that prevented the statement from being true. I explicitly told you to explain why it was homophobic, and you refused to. You have quite simply deluded yourself on this. I ask again, directly, why is it homophobic to not be interested in gay relationships?



Then they clearly aren't homophobic in the first place. You know full well they have no problem with same-sex relationships, yet call them bigots for not liking the same ones as you? That's just disingenuous.



There's nothing making it "possibly good," I've already gone over that. You are just hoping it will be, which you are able to do, but that fantasy doesn't and shouldn't be expected to translate to everyone else.



There is no such "rule," it's a matter of what the genre provides. The average straight man has no interest in a show that fetishises gay men because they are not one nor interested in one, just as romances as a whole have a known lack of viewership amongst asexuals for much the same reasons. So to call someone a bigot for not watching something not produced for them is just woefully ridiculous.

O_T_T said:


Yes, we're all already well aware that is how you choose to behave. But that's not what this discussion is about. This discussion is about you wanting everyone else to behave that way also.



Because as we've already established, one is both not required to be "respectful" nor is it even possible to be so.



I've already covered how saying "oh well that's how you feel" is diminishing the argument, and thus an invalid counterpoint. And again, I'm not expecting you to change, I'm explaining why your view (that is, that everyone should act according to your idea of what is "respectful") is incorrect.



Making false allegations of homophobia is perhaps the most "toxic" thing one can do. Let's not kid ourselves, your "asking why people are being rude" is clearly derogatory.



Again, already covered this. It's annoying to you. That doesn't mean it's false or out of place to say.



If you're referring to Aharen, then your point makes no sense, I've discussed how denoting it "bait" is accurate. There's no "jumping the gun" taking place.



First, I've already covered how it's not "assumption," but conclusion. It has nothing to do with just having two guys in the cover, but how they are posed, where detail is put, what the synopsis says, and so forth. I walked you through this, if you remember.

Second, is this relevant, at all? I've already pointed out that you're defending this show as a yaoi, so your own assertion that it cannot be figured out yet is contradicted.

This entire point is a dead horse, there's really nothing more to say on it, in either direction.



Are you just not reading entire paragraphs I put down? I already explained how "bait" works, and how your real-world appearance is irrelevant. "Fiction affects reality" is a true statement, but the way you've employed it here is nonsensical. I remind you, the eponymous character's appearance is a wilful choice by the creator, to gain a particular audience.



Ad Populum. What the score is, and what people are calling it, doesn't affect the actual matter. And assuming there's any sort of "agenda" is simply making shit up to suit your biases, you know full well there's no agenda in noticing that a character is made to look like a child.



Yes, there's some stigma surrounding it, but that's entirely tangential to the actual matter. I remind you of what I said earlier, it's to do with what the genre offers, not what someone is or isn't allowed to do.

Not to mention that if you want to insinuate there is indeed a rule impeding people from yaoi content, that only further supports the user in question not being homophobic, since they're just following said "rule."



Explain why this comes to mind. You still haven't established where the "homophobic" part comes from, other than your own biased assumption.



I have covered this extensively. The user in question is almost certainly a straight male. This mean they are attracted to the female gender. This means they do not want to watch two of the male gender fucking. This does not mean they hate the sheer idea of two men being in a relationship, they just don't get off on watching one. It's honestly so fucking simple.



All romance content, of any sexuality, by definition, fetishises the relationship it portrays. It being "healthy," which you seem to define as not featuring sexual assault, "toxicity" and "fanservice," does not mean that it isn't a relationship presented to an audience to satisfy their interests, ergo, fetishising. Frankly, it just sounds like you have a "healthy relationship" fetish, but regardless, you're still completely ignoring what I laid out above, so this entire line of argument is as good as a red herring.

But let's get this conversation back on track. I direct you to one sentence from the centre of my last comment, which about encapsulates this whole discussion; do you truly think that what you like should dictate everyone else's behaviour?