Rant about insufferable 'waifus' people so dearly love fwr

Mantron said:
I dont know why Zero Two and Marin Kitagawa are considered waifus. They both are ugly and annoying and I have given both the anime 1/10 because of these annoying ugly female characters.

Oongbuh said:


Annoying is debatable, but you seriously have dome serious mind eye problems if you think either of those two are ugly, specially Marin.

Then again, this could just be a low-effort bait.

RedLycanScurge said:
It's really mostly exaggerated tsunderes... Don't know HOW anybody genuinely considers them a "waifu".

RedLycanScurge said:
Uzaki.

nyugvo6 said:
senjougahara hitagi. she's annoying as hell and looks lame.

Catalano said:
Sheryl Nome is the worst woman in existence, she used her big boobs to fool a guy who was already in love with another girl (the perfection known as Ranka Lee), Sheryl did that because she was bored, she doesn't care about Alto, she's just a selfish annoying woman who only wants to get laid with a good looking man. One time she threw her panties on purpose only to look cute in front of Alto, what a trash thing to do, also, she has no talent for music, she only does playback, compared to Ranka who actually can sing and she never had singing lessons.
I hate Sheryl, why don't people open their eyes towards Ranka? Ranka is peak waifu.

Preachee said:

Bro do you not see all the blushes??? Look at how she's all flustered and in great denial that she's in love with you. Does that not remind of certain someone you've met in your life? Maybe not the blushes but yeah like every girl ever who acts disgusted and irrationally violent at your mere presence. Tell you what, they must've liked you. Fucking tsunderes.

Preachee said:
The one thing I actually just don't get. I fucking hate this creature. Yeah oppai loli whatever, still though, Uzaki has one of the ugliest character designs I've ever seen. It actually saddens me how people can get horny over this.

TheMechaManiac said:


I'm sorry fren, but Sheryl actually MOGS Ranka in terms of music. Ranka had what, the Nyan-Nyan commercial, the versions of AIMO and the kira~ song? (I don't count the duets). Sheryl had: Diamond Crevasse, Northern Cross, Universal Bunny, Kindan no Elixir, pink monsoon... yeah we have the clear winner. Keep your abused loli, I'm going with my bro Alto's choice.

Yaboyblunty said:

IKR
Idk how you could even talk to them let alone be in a relationship

teexhee said:
Mankasa, she is a simp and a bland character

Catalano said:


Funny thing calling Ranka an abused loli when Sheryl was just a bum picked out from the streets by that woman, she did it so many times with the dudes from the idol industry than Ranka made commercials to vegetables. Ranka is sweet and kind with a pure heart and lots of talent, Sheryl is fake.
Also, isn't it natural for the show to present us an already established idol like Sheryl just to destroy her in one song with this new girl Ranka, of course the blondie has more songs, Ranka is at the beginning of her career.
But what can I expect from Sheryl fans, you only look at boobs, Ranka is more than just boobs, she is a great human being.

TheMechaManiac said:

Hey man, I'm just teasin' ya. I like 'em both but prefer Sheryl, that's all.

Sarqux said:
Blocking everyone who said Mikasa. Especially if you call her "Mankasa".

No but literally. Being mad that she cut her hair?? lmao. get a life.

Manaban said:
in spite of sexually harassing children being a prominent and frequent element of their series.

Preachee said:

I actually don't get this one. I saw them criticizing pedo baits in anime, or just pedo behaviors in general before (recently with that one isekai show with 2 main lolis) but Monogatari apparently gets a pass.

I'm not too familiar with the fanbase, but I've definitely seen people like this. How would you justify it then? I just couldn't see it as some meta critique on lolicon tropes. It's just that it's totally shameless about it, which I still think is the point. I'm fine with Japan's perverse humor. No actually I think it's pretty funny, precisely because it gives no fucks about social norms. For the longest time I thought they liked Monogatari because it was just absurd with the whole thing. Yeah you're not supposed to take it seriously, but so is Eromanga Sensei.

So you're right, I'm not convinced either.

Manaban said:

Should note, I don't actually care about it myself, so I haven't thought on it much. Lolicon stuff isn't my battle to fight and I'm uninterested in making it as much, Monogatari or not withstanding.

I just noted that to present it as being dirty and low in the same vein as the other series that don't get the free pass from it, given how common it is for Monogatari fans to try to make their series seem good by trying to put down everything around it. You see it in this thread multiple times, and it's been this way in most fanservice/ecchi/harem/waifu threads for years. It always comes across as a nasty mix of self-righteousness and misrepresenting the series itself, so I'll just throw whatever I can at them. Makes me feel happier with the situation knowing they're getting mud slung back at them.

Preachee said:

Not my intention to sound like I'm making it about lolicons (maybe I subconsciously expressed it as such because of this one other thread I made).

Be it lolicon or anything else, Monogatari has all the tropes that most ecchi harem have. The thing that irks me the most is that Monogatari seems to actually embrace it. It's not "beyond some peasantry" some people make it out to be.

I have never looked much into mono fanbase so no idea what the view of the majority actually is. Only referring to a subset of people I've talked to.

SofiaBulga said:
What do you have against Sayu and Hori.
Sorry your topic's fun but, no I need to know what is it you don't like about them.

Sayu had a shitty mother, is sexually frustrated (I can relate) and the male figures in her life either are busy (brother) or want to take advantage of her (everybody who isn't her brother and the MC).


Hori - she has an easily misunderstood fetish, what else about her is bad.

Manaban said:

I guess I've always chalked the main distinction people make as being something they have trouble putting into words - they give the fanservice a pass because it doesn't interrupt the narrative so it doesn't feel as intrusive to them as it would in other H&E series.

They're not H&E fans at their core, so they're not going in wanting this to be a super prominent thing and are instead wanting something more standard, good story, good characters, yadda yadda. Because of this, fanservice even in series that fully dedicate themselves to the idea of being an H&E is something they have trouble tolerating - these series still have stories, still have characters, but those elements support the ecchi.

But Monogatari is rare for an H&E because the narrative is dialogue-driven instead of action-driven - and I mean action in the sense of characters doing things, not explosions and fights - and because of this, there is no action to be interrupted by fanservice scenes essentially playing in the background while the main narrative continues to happen in the dialogue itself. That is the main distinction between Gatari's ecchi elements and other H&E's ecchi elements, and that distinction makes it way more digestable for them. And because they understand that it's digestable to them, they know something is different and therefore give it a pass - hence the common phrases you see in threads like this, "other H&E girls suck compared to Gatari girls," "Gatari actually has a very compelling and complex story and narrative and isn't just some waifu-bait series," blah blah blah, the latter being a mix of confusing being dialogue driven as complex as well as the aforementioned way of implementing fanservice.

Reality, though, it's not very special outside of those distinctions. Characters aren't built different and aren't fundamentally more complex than the average haremette, they just talk a lot more by virtue of the narrative being dialogue driven. Araragi's traits are like, passive + heroic + child molester, so the first two are your most milquetoast harem MC and the last one would probably not be seen as a desirable trait for a protagonist to most people, I'd imagine. It uses an omnibus format for its arcs, like you'd see in something like Seiren or Yosuga no Sora, albeit trying to tie it to a backdrop narrative instead of being a pure omnibus makes it more like a non-chronological TWGOK in terms of structure.

It has neck turns and it cuts to fast-moving text cards to express inner thoughts, though! So hey! That's that crazy, arthouse direction you'd see in a small independent series like Monogatari that only got a near-complete adaptation and three very visibly high-budget movies.

But yeah. Main point - my theory is more or less that these people give Monogatari passes because the way fanservice is implemented within the series isn't as intrusive as what they're actually there for. They understand this but because they tend to lack discussion skills (which, tbf, isn't something you'd expect on a fucking anime forum) so the way it comes out in word-form is usually the nonsense, pedestal-sounding stuff you actually get. The reason they come in conflict with fans of similar series so often is a result of this, as well as the fact that they actually *do* tend to share aims closer to that of somebody who would prefer to watch Tatami Galaxy over KissXSis - i.e., they're usually not H&E fans, hence the issues with having them be grouped with us and why places like the one I run tend to have issues with the way they talk about shit. They're a different type of fan, but because Monogatari is fundamentally an H&E series they try to either actively put down other H&E and draw Monogatari as an exception to the "norm," or try to shape our fandom's discourse closer to their viewpoint, which causes friction based on being two types of fans with fundamentally different aims in what they want to achieve via watching shows like this.

It should be noted this idea is purely based on having to suffer their presence in threads on this forum and in H&E's discord server for a good few years now, so it's all anecdotal, albeit I'd prefer to classify it as behavioral observation less related to humans and more related to wildlife.

Preachee said:
Fanservice in Monogatari isn't always meaningful.

Manaban said:

Can't recall a single time where it was, truthfully. It was background aesthetic going with the dialogue most of the time, and even then, there were some more standard interactions.

Preachee said:

Well you could still make the argument about, say, the whole black Hanekawa thing being thematically appropriate. I thought it's pretty valid. But that's not to say the show is "deep", or that it never falls into the "ecchi for the sake of ecchi/comedy" category.

Manaban said:

I don't think the zooming into closeups of her tits was very relevant to the idea of somebody becoming a different person due to being overwhelmed by stress, no.

Preachee said:

I thought it showed the main dude's sexual desires, because the whole thing was about that. But whatever idc enough to defend monogatari anyway.

Manaban said:

They gave that whole spiel about how crappy her home life was and made a big show of that as the central premise as to why she became a fanservice-y catgirl thing. Araragi wanting to fuck something is a tertiary element to any given arc at best.

Sarqux said:


I feel like people who call Mikasa "Mankasa" after season 4 are just mad that she grew up and isn't their cute 15-year-old "waifu" anymore lol. Like literally. she just cut her hair.

She is a soldier. Grow up.

@Tamakiiiiiiii same goes to you

LightWorker said:
My Waifu Rin Tokikaze probably is one of the most insufferable Waifus ever

Preachee said:

Woah you found your own waifu insufferable? Damn, respect ig.

IfIspeak said:
Yukino Yukinoshit from oregayru

Preachee said:

Wait you blocking them fr? Is this a threat? Dunno what you expect, but this is a waifu war babee. The only life here is saying "fuck you" to your waifu haters without facing away, blocking them, or ignoring the sour insults.

Everyone here is mad, and so are you. Be brazen about it.