Vinland Saga
| In fact, we need such exaggerated scenes and some very powerful characters to increase enthusiasm and action. Personally, anime like this, I like the movement to be high. (After all, I'm not going to neglect the unique story) |
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| You got D from your history class for sure. |
average_robot said: Maqif said: so that must mean Demon Slayer is based on real events, nice.Historical tag means it is based on real events, it has nothing to do with realism. Also Thorkell in history is one of the tallest and strongest norse men known, while the anime does exaggerate some scenes, it does portray it as realistically as possible. it would have been nice if they gave me something to latch on to like : "most vikings are believed to have abilities beyond comprehension" Nice strawman. Historical literally means where the story takes place in the past. Where the cultural traditions are almost historically accurate as possible during that period of time where the story is taking place. Not everything about Demon slayer HAS to be accurate. Just the general traditions and stuff. The same is applied for Vinland Saga too. So you have to get into it as a manner of "suspension of disbelief". You're saying Thorkell bothers you a lot but Throfinn doesn't bother you one bit? |
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average_robot said: Scordolo said: ahh i see, so you're saying that the setting is the accurate part, but not necessarily the actual story ?Nice strawman. Historical literally means where the story takes place in the past. Where the cultural traditions are almost historically accurate as possible during that period of time where the story is taking place. Not everything about Demon slayer HAS to be accurate. Just the general traditions and stuff. The same is applied for Vinland Saga too. So you have to get into it as a manner of "suspension of disbelief". You're saying Thorkell bothers you a lot but Throfinn doesn't bother you one bit? That's about it. In fact, Vinland saga's creator himself said that the setting is historically accurate but only the characters are left up to his imagination. The world building in Vinland saga is so realistic to me that the unrealistic stuff such as Thorkell or Throfinn got over shadowed. You are in the minorty if you get bothered by these stuff. |
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| 300 is also a historical film, yet it had monsters and magic in it. The thing is, story is loosely based on historical events because it's largely a propaganda. Some character's strength has been vastly exaggerated. |
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| Simple answer BECAUSE IT'S AN ANIME |
| While sure I would like to see more "realism" in historically driven shows I honestly would prefer a more "legendary" style of fighting compared to loads of terrible action set pieces from people trying to create "real" combat when most likely haven't even looked at combat manuals/history from the age. So I don't mind VS nor stuff like Kingdom (where it's obviously going for a Romance of the Three Kingdoms vibe) as much honestly compared to series that attempt to be "real" and have terrible choreography to boot. Would I like to see more series that do something like Marie and the Virgin Witch (there is something with fantasy elements that unironically has the best representation of medieval combat not even just within anime) sure but even most realistic films fail at that. I also don't get what you mean by the morals contradict the environment. Pacifism was something that was idealized in some Christian circles it's not impossible to believe that a former warrior would be against violence. That said sure VS does have the benefit of characters that can be super humans in being able to hold to those truths while defending themselves compared to IRL where if you held those beliefs and someone wanted to kill you they probably would. Also "historical" tag doesn't mean realism it means it uses a historical setting that is it. You can have historical fiction where it diverges heavily from real history in alt history stories. You can have historical fantasy where you add maybe magic or other supernatural elements to the past. It doesn't mean it's going to be a documentary. Even series that are trying to replicate things are going to take artistic liberties here and there. Looking at another historical titles you can see The Case Study of Vanitas for instance which is "historical" but it takes place in alt history 19th century France, with vampires, magic some steampunk elements etc. It still is using a historical period for the setting even if it's making great changes to it. Gintama is another one where it's obviously not some proper historical representation of Edo Japan at least from what I can see lol. Also when you examine other liberties taken with the story some of them make sense. For instance Thorfinn is much younger here than he was historically because Yukimura wanted to have him participate in Sweyn/Canute's invasion of England. It's not a bad idea to take this liberty for the kind of theme Yukimura was going for. Allows for the whole prologue arc to exist while also telling a story of one of the few Norse explorers that went to NA. As long as it isn't just out of ignorance I don't mind changes like this if it can add to the fictionalized tale of it. |
BilboBaggins365Nov 6, 2021 10:26 PM
| This is actually one of the reasons I love anime. The world, stakes and general atmosphere are pretty accurate, but they just chose for the fights to be more exaggerated. It would've been a problem if they didn't choose one specific aspect and instead sprinkled a lot of inaccuracies in world or characters, but they didn't. That's why I like it lol. |
| I don't speak English that much, so please cut me some slack |
average_robot said: Well that's your opinion, as long as people like it you have you alter some stuff. Like seriously how can you go on like that? You know gold? Jewelry is not made with pure gold ever and what not...first of all i'm not tryna hate or something like that, I just wanted to discuss this. so recently I've been watching this highly acclaimed anime ( literally everyone I talk to nowadays say it's a masterpiece ) and it's really good, solid 8 so far. what's been bothering me the most is the UNREALISTIC scenes this show has, holy shii ! mind you this has a historical tag which screams realism of some sort to me. despite that we have mf's that have morals that contradict the environment they're in. tell me how HUMAN BEINGS ( granted they big, but still human ) can pick up a huge ass boulder and throw it with ease, beat the shii out of men armed with freaking spears and sheilds whist unarmed, throw an axe and decapitate 4 men without it losing momentum ? i can go on, but nah. will they grace me with an explanation of why these guys can achieve feats like these or is it just the "anime doesn't need to be realistic" excuse. apologies to those I might have pissed off. edit : I come in peace guys please don't attack me. The events shown are fairly accurate and then they can do stuff like that cause why not man? |
| I totally don't care about your opinions unless they intersect with mine of course! If you start crying for something of that sort... |
| As a fan of "vikings" tv series I also couldn't give it more than 8/10. The lack of realism is clearly weak point. And u dont have to fear the apes, every1 has a right to have an opinion. |
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| Historical doesn't mean everything has to be accurate, it's just something mainly setting located in the past and usually focus on the manners, social conditions and other details of that period and sometimes with fiction/fantasy or whatever the writers want to put in as a subgenre. That's why it's usually called Historical Fiction as a whole not Historical-but-you-can-learn-everything-through-a-book-instead. For example, if you look at some Chinese movies, they took place in the past but everyone can fly and shoot beams better than Goku, that's Historical Fantasy But it's understandable if you ask stuff like this, shows with historical tags are usually attacked for lack of authenticity usually because of genre expectations for accurate informations I don't even know if everything I said makes sense lol |
AronicsNov 7, 2021 5:53 AM
| It's a historical fiction. In historical fictions, some or all of the characters are usually real life historical figures who actually existed (sometimes the main characters will be original fictional creations inserted to give a sort of bird's eye view and outside perspective to real life historical events and serve as a proxy for the viewer), but a lot of the specifics of what happens is changed. It's not uncommon for the historical period to be a real one, even down to specific dates of actual battles, assassinations and famous deaths, royal ascensions, and other momentous events, but for the minor nitty-gritty details of how the events come to pass, how the characters onscreen arrive in the situation, fighting styles or apparel and general aesthetics, dialogue and conversations, etc. all to be changed (or simply invented as it's not like there's an accurate record of all such things) to suit the interests of telling a more engrossing story. It's using the historical setting and details as a backdrop but not being a slave to them. That's normally the essence of historical fiction as a concept. But in Vinland Saga specifically, the physical feats of superhuman strength have never bothered me or seemed particularly out of place as they always reminded me of the more outlandish great epics and sagas, the way history was relayed through folklore in European culture through mythology and conferring unnatural gigantic size and Herculean physical primacy to actual individuals to make the stories last longer and spread further afield in oral tradition, become popular among children, and raise national figures up to the status of folk heroes. |
WatchTillTandavaNov 7, 2021 5:42 AM
average_robot said: not me. I don't think it is.first of all i'm not tryna hate or something like that, I just wanted to discuss this. so recently I've been watching this highly acclaimed anime ( literally everyone I talk to nowadays say it's a masterpiece ) average_robot said: historical ≠ realism. At least not automatically. Besides blame those who misput the tag. It's their fault not the show's.and it's really good, solid 8 so far. what's been bothering me the most is the UNREALISTIC scenes this show has, holy shii ! mind you this has a historical tag which screams realism of some sort to me. average_robot said: who? How? So what?despite that we have mf's that have morals that contradict the environment they're in. average_robot said: how's that unrealistic?tell me how HUMAN BEINGS ( granted they big, but still human ) can pick up a huge ass boulder and throw it with ease, beat the shii out of men armed with freaking spears and sheilds whist unarmed, throw an axe and decapitate 4 men without it losing momentum ? i can go on, but nah. average_robot said: well anime is fiction so that makes perfect sense regardless if it's an excuse or not.will they grace me with an explanation of why these guys can achieve feats like these or is it just the "anime doesn't need to be realistic" excuse. |
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