Attack on Titan
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| Okay, so, let me get this straight. Eren saw that in the future, doing the rumbling will result in Mikasa making a certain choice (giving up on him and killing him I think?), which Ymir would see and make her finally also give up on King Fritz, so she’d stop continuing to serve him, so the power of the titans would vanish from the world. So basically Eren had to kill 80% of the world population in order to make this kid give up on this pedo king of hers. Really. Could he not have just talk no jutsu her? That seems to have been the trick to fixing a whole bunch of other dilemmas in this recent arc lol. Or could he not have made Mikasa give up on him some other way without involving mass genocide? Anyway, the scene with the fallen comrades was pretty touching, it had this whole yay guys we did it vibe, and we even got to see a tear + salute from Levi and a final appearance from Sasha, very wholesome. But just the thought that this whole supposedly impossible titan problem could’ve been eradicated way earlier without the incredibly roundabout and brutal method of the rumbling, or without even any fighting against the titans at all, just ruins it. Because apparently all that was needed to make the titans disappear was to get a simp to get over a guy to inspire some Stockholm syndrome kid, wtf. Like I can’t even take the previously intense and powerful arcs with humans vs titans seriously anymore. The theme of whether or not everyone’s sacrifices were worth it was constantly cropping up, and humanity kept fighting on and not giving up largely to honour those fallen comrades, it was all so powerful. But now imagine if everyone who sacrificed themselves found out that it was actually completely pointless, all they actually had to do was talk no jutsu Mikasa and get her to stop simping over Eren. And this is supposed to be a happy ending? And then worst of all we get to see that sacrificing 80% of the population to make Mikasa give up on Eren was also pointless. Because although she did conveniently give up for a moment and kill Eren and inspire Ymir, it was once again completely MEANINGLESS because Mikasa is still simping over Eren years later and is even buried wearing his scarf as an old lady. Hurts so bad because I swear the message is supposed to be cute and wholesome like, nothing good comes from clinging onto toxic things like a pedo king or a mass murderer, but then we see that Mikasa doesn’t even follow that message herself in the end. Not sure if I should be feeling the most bad for the fallen comrades, the brainwashed Mikasa, or even Ymir for giving up because of Mikasa’s supposed brave actions but then seeing her just do a 180 and just go back to simping anyway. Only difference now is that instead of being a normal person she now just gives off yandere School Days vibes with the decapitated head and shit, if you know you know. Mikasa giving up on Eren back then was extremely random, I guess it was just done by the author as a desperate attempt to progress the story, and the fact that I can see through this means that I can’t call this good writing. If I was trying to be positive here I would say that, although the roundabout means were extremely questionable (and the whole of this final arc was dragged out for no good reason), the actual conclusion was not bad. I think that having the power of the titans vanishing from the world is the best ending for the Eldians, at least for now. Also, I guess you could say that the whole thing with Mikasa being brave enough to get over a toxic man (however temporary this decision may have been) being the trigger that was needed for the power of the titans to vanish is kind of interesting, because it was probably the last thing that anything would have expected to be the solution to all these supposedly unsolvable issues in a very complex franchise. But on the other hand it’s also extremely dumb for the exact same reason. |
 柵の向こうには 本当に狼などおらぬのか |
yaegerist-15 said: shitgeki no pissjin lmaoooooooooooo |
| 柵の向こうには 本当に狼などおらぬのか |
| "Thank you for turning into a mass murderer for our sake" - Armin Um..? Would this scene ever get animated lol? Or I really need to find another translation for that line.. Just finished reading this and i don't understand how killing all these people did anything I need to think.. Or perhaps killing people was pointless and that's what Isayama wanted to show? uhh.. confused |
LylaazJun 21, 2021 8:58 AM
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holy_demon said: Lylaaz said: Just finished reading this and i don't understand how killing all these people did anything I need to think.. Or perhaps killing people was pointless and that's what Isayama wanted to show? uhh.. confused He killed all these people so that Ymir could watch Mikasa kill him. Every other goals (such as a heroic narrative of Paradis or suppression of other nations) can be achieved more effectively with far less bloodshed, but apparently the only way to remove Titan power is to show some dumb chick a love tragicomedy Actually one of the reasons might have been that if there were less people, people in Paradis Island would have easier time to defend themselves. As in, if humanity suffers a 80% loss in population, perhaps people are less eager to kill eachother, or there could be some a time where humanity recollects itself at least. And Eren wanted to wipe everything off too at some point, so .. It could have gone both ways even. Then again, Eren left alive those dudes with guns but killed innocent children. That's unfair. And of course the reason to make himself a villain so Mikasa could have courage to kill him. But umm, I think this could have been done in some less flashy sense.. |
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| Quick questions 1) Why don’t people consider the 112 table scene OOC but then consider the simp scene OOC? they are two sides of the same coin. Eren has never been a duck to his friends(even Jean, his rival) so why did people accept 112 Eren as the “true” Eren. People with common sense should know that he wouldn’t hurt his friends, especially Mikasa. Unless they wanted it to be true. 2) people who hate romance apparently but wanted Eren to be the baby daddy of Historia, why? It makes no sense considering, she’s royal blood and he didn’t touch Zeke in Liberia because of this. Many Yeagerists saw Historia as an Aryan trade wife waiting for her chad husband to come home, but apparently. Eren was supposed to kill everyone, get head from Historia and be the next Adam and Eve. Ridiculous. 3) Why do so many Yeagerists have a problem with Talk No Jutsu? A big recurring theme of the show is “wait, we haven’t talk it out yet”. If weapons were used to solves every conflict, this show would’ve ended in chapter 20. Armin gets the brunt of the hate. While I understand he isn’t the best character and his character along with other survey corps where pacified post timeskip, it’s ridiculous to ridicule him for his strength — communication by means of manipulation. 4) Overinflated Historia importance? Why would Ymir be reincarnated as her child? Why the infantalization of Ymir? She’s a grown woman but yet people treat her as a kid? Historia has always been a selfish character with an altruistic persona, so why is it OOC to have her get pregnant to save herself. She kept quiet about a genocide after all. 5) Why are people under the impression that Eren is a ethno nationalist? He did this for his twisted view of freedom. He used paradis as a steppingstone to freedom. 6) Why did people hate that Eren killed his mom? He did kill the Royal family. Why is it OOC? |
engich said: PeaceForeverMe said: 3) Why do so many Yeagerists have a problem with Talk No Jutsu? A big recurring theme of the show is “wait, we haven’t talk it out yet”. If weapons were used to solves every conflict, this show would’ve ended in chapter 20. Armin gets the brunt of the hate. While I understand he isn’t the best character and his character along with other survey corps where pacified post timeskip, it’s ridiculous to ridicule him for his strength — communication by means of manipulation. Only yeagerists hate the ending I get your point sister. You're probably one of those people who label everyone who don't like Miaksa as a character a "racist". Stop using twitter. Also I'm not a shipper but did you speedread? FT holder need to touch royal blood Titan shifter. Zeke is the one while Historia isn't. As for tnj, it never worked well for Armin lol. Every time he says "Let's talk" something fucked up happens. That's before Yama started to self-insert into Armin and offed Hange just to give him "SC commander" title. Then made Zeke dumber only for Armin shine. Returned Annie (will you call her "aryan waifu too" or it works only with characters you don't like?) just to be Armins waifu. Armin is the most useless character post-ts and Isayama ruined all his development before-ts. PeaceForeverMe said: 5) Why are people under the impression that Eren is a ethno nationalist? He did this for his twisted view of freedom. He used paradis as a steppingstone to freedom. Nah, sister, you don't understand Eren's character. He did it for his friends. The guidebook says "his friends is his main motivation and he kept moving forward to save them" or some shit like this. So he indeed genocided 80% of the world for his ~7 buddies. What a "tragic hero" according to most of ending enjoyers. Isayama narratively tried to redeem him with "uwu he did it for friends" shit. PeaceForeverMe said: 6) Why did people hate that Eren killed his mom? He did kill the Royal family. Why is it OOC? Oh wow imagine comparing killing royal family with killing your mom. Are you okay bestie? You don't find anything strange with your logic? Really? Eren killed her and he didn't give a fuck about her apparently. Becaue right after telling Armin that he killed his mom he starts crying about his stepsis pussy. What a genius writing. Eren is so "humanized and emotional" amirite? Imagine crying about some girl finding another man and not about 80% of human population you stomped or mom you killed. This just shows that Eren only cared about Miaksa and nothing else. It's so cool that Eren only thinks about her in his inner thoughts and not about "It's easier to doom Paradis and save the whole outside world but I can't accept it", right? Of course he never cared about Paradis. Probably Eren was acting even in his inner thoughts. All you have to do is look at my profile and look at my review for the ending. It’s not that hard. I don’t like Mikasa that much neither do I with Eren. The simp moment is cringe but so is the table scene. I found it so jarring and edgy for not apparent reason. I personally I’m split on the dumping. It was meant to demonstrate a moment of patheticness but it came out left field? Why would he cry for people he doesn’t know? Eren doing the rumbling for his friend also makes more sense than him doing it for the island. He’s a sick, selfish psychopath that will do anything for freedom. Eren made everybody nerfed post timeskip dumb. His decision to the the rumbling came with little contention. Hange, Armin, Pixis and Zackly were nerfed to make him look cool. Hange who is on par with Zeke was made into a bumbling idiot so Erens plan could work. Reiner became a glorified punching bag for the Yeager brothers and Zeke became a baboon after being manipulated by Eren. The ending is bad but some of the criticism is inconsistent and contradictory. |
| The extra pages just dug a deeper hole for this ending. What little defence I had left is now gone too. Isayama you really just made things even worse for yourself and that in itself is an amazing feat. That said, I enjoy the anime immensely and it was a great ride regardless of the ending. I'm out, and will not be looking back. |
| After finally deciding to finish this manga I have to conclude that after freeing the island of titans and the timeskip this manga really went off the rails. Had potential certainly when the world outside the walls was explored in depth but Eren's plan was so absurd and comic book evil that I simply have to shake my head in disbelief. The distinctive feeling of it being rushed did not help either. I guess there are plenty of people who don't mind a nod of approval toward rape and genocide. Even Zeke had a more sensible plan than wiping out everyone on the planet to be "safe". Makes Thanos look like a humanitarian. I see comparisons to Game of Thrones being made, not quite THAT bad but this is clearly a poor ending from a story that was so terrific at the start. Shoot even in a shallow desire for fanservice there is disappointment as Eren x Mikasa was so awkwardly forced and quick that it doesn't even allow any cheap satisfaction there. |
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| A bit late for the party, but half a party is better than no party at all. The ending was bad, as was everything after 123. Plot holes, character and lore inconsistencies, contrived coincidences and betrayal of one's own vision to appease others do not make an interesting story. Eren should have committed genocide against all non-Eldians and return happily to his island to lead humanity to the next golden age of Terra restoration and societal advancement. That's a good story. |
| The worst ending ever, I can't believe how someone could destroy everything he built in one chapter |
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| boy what the hell was this |
| Glad this manga stuck the landing. Very happy with how it all ended! Wasn't expecting your average MAL user to know anything about storytelling, so I knew the posts on here are bullshit. |
| Does anyone knows why it says 141 chapters instead of 139? |
lluviatorrencial said: It is for some extra chapters of the mangaDoes anyone knows why it says 141 chapters instead of 139? https://myanimelist.net/manga/23390/Shingeki_no_Kyojin/moreinfo |
 a wise user of MAL said: Just to clarify, adaptations should absolutely stand on their own |
Leoradiuju2004 said: lluviatorrencial said: It is for some extra chapters of the mangaDoes anyone knows why it says 141 chapters instead of 139? https://myanimelist.net/manga/23390/Shingeki_no_Kyojin/moreinfo Thank you! I didn't want to change the number of chapters and it was driving me crazy |
| I like the ending , 10/10 for the series and 8/10 for the ending. Thank you Isayama. |
Sad7727 said: I'm like a year late but google "Stockholm syndrome" budSirTristram said: Saw the panels on Twitter and started laughing. im glad WIT dropped it fucking trash fucking up characters,fucking ymir in love with her pedo king who bred her like a cattle for 2000 years LMAO |
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| This might be already asked/discussed in this thread but don't have time to read 35 pages. Can someone explain to me how everyone turned back to normal and titans abilities were gone? And can't this be done from the start, without all those rumblings and ramblings? By the way, Mikasa and Armin's crying scene with Eren's head was so funny. This manga was pure comedy in the last few chapters. Which is sad though. |
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| maybe i'm just weird but i loved this ending, i genuinely don't understand why so many people dislike it it did everything right for me, it made me emotional, showed the loved characters one last time, and proved that the world of attack on titan is a sad, unfair one, but can be fixed i'm gonna miss attack on titan :') |
| the ending made me fall in love with SnK again for I disliked the rumbling arc, well, mostly I disliked that eren's friends decided to "rescue" humanity, who eve cares about humanity when you're at war with it? the end result was good, eren killed 80% of the human population, the majority of it being non eldians and he managed to fool the goddess ymir to renounce the paths and he used mikasa for that. his "freedom" was apparently just a runner's high, gotta give it to him. if eren would have succeeded with the rumbling and all humanity would have been destroyed, it still wouldn't "impress" ymir, the power of the titans would have created another war between eldians but now we have another eldian empire as specified in the ending of the manga. Paradis is safe, his friends are safe, what more can you ask from eren? I bet it was confusing the whole mikasa-ymir-eren stuff but I interpret it like that. What was even the parasite thing? maybe some sorta symbol for humanity's will to live/prosper/do whatever they can? to stop the conflict, eren had to stop ymir, she was the eldians' goddess, hell, even in death you are linked with ymir via paths but in the end when she saw mikasa killing eren for the sake of the world, it reminded ymir of her own feeling when she decided not to "kill" fritz when she took that arrow (there is a panel which shows ymir's path of letting fritz die, she finally accepted her choice and decided to set free the eldians). it's a sad ending, I wanted other things from this manga than this but I accept it. I get why people are upset though. bye bye shingeki no kyojin, been reading this manga since winter 2013. 10/10 |
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Catalano said: Ymir was neither a goddess nor was she a slave. As Armin said in his dialogue with Zeke, she was just a frail human girl who only wished to connect with people, especially so with her children. That's why she was trapped in a limbo between life and death for 2000 years waiting for someone to rescue her and then to end her suffering for good.to stop the conflict, eren had to stop ymir, she was the eldians' goddess, hell, even in death you are linked with ymir via paths but in the end when she saw mikasa killing eren for the sake of the world, it reminded ymir of her own feeling when she decided not to "kill" fritz when she took that arrow (there is a panel which shows ymir's path of letting fritz die, she finally accepted her choice and decided to set free the eldians). |
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electromagneto said: Catalano said: Ymir was neither a goddess nor was she a slave. As Armin said in his dialogue with Zeke, she was just a frail human girl who only wished to connect with people, especially so with her children. That's why she was trapped in a limbo between life and death for 2000 years waiting for someone to rescue her and then to end her suffering for good.to stop the conflict, eren had to stop ymir, she was the eldians' goddess, hell, even in death you are linked with ymir via paths but in the end when she saw mikasa killing eren for the sake of the world, it reminded ymir of her own feeling when she decided not to "kill" fritz when she took that arrow (there is a panel which shows ymir's path of letting fritz die, she finally accepted her choice and decided to set free the eldians). having that supernatural power and influence over her subjects makes her a goddess in my view, but of course she was a frail human girls with complicated feelings. |
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Osivix said: Have you read the new chapter of the parody called AoNTR? Seems like you're dissatisfied by the real ending, so maybe you'd find a light-hearted romcom to your liking.Hacksayama the best writer ever |
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