| The initial meaning at least as far as I'm aware, was only to make a digital voice. But Miku Hatsune is more and more beginning to be perceived as a digital entity of sorts. And an iconic figure for the idea of a digital entity. Will those under the project recognize this and work toward this end of creating Hatsune Miku as a more robotic or artificial intelligence being? Does Hatsune and Vocaloid have this grand epic future and it's culture makes it feel? It is steeped in a disappointment that will not live up to any of the digital age hype and will end to nowhere but a memory of being a fad of empty hopes? In my opinion, Hatsune Miku is too steeped in Utopian Futurist hopes and dreams to just fade away so easily. I really do think that Hatsune Miku is a part of something much bigger. |
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| She will not fade away. She is an idol already. I'm starting to see a Macross like future for her. |
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ladyxzeus said: I'm starting to see a Macross like future for her. Yes, I think this plays a definite role in why many people look at her as in a sense of A.I. instead of another "otaku" or visual/drawing/digital/imaginative arts subculture trend in music such as Idolmaster or the like. Because of that series, it's been hard ever since to not associate the idea of a "digital idol" with A.I./Futurist Humanism/Humanist Optimism/Transhumanism/Robotics and so forth. And the fact she is the most successful attempt at it so far, brings an unprecedented amount of Romanticism and support of her from some people and contributors to the Vocaloid fandom and culture. It's no surprise you often hear theme's about her having a "soul" or possibly dying due to neglect. |
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| I don't think Miku herself will play a significant role as time goes by, however Vocaloid is one of if not the best effort at natural voice synthesis at present, so it will surely play a role in voicing AIs in the future. Miku is just one voice of Vocaloid2, though. The first and most popular obviously, but the voice is still a little on the rough side, so I doubt she will go the long haul for AI voicing unless people do want that slightly robotic yet melodic sound she has. I imagine AIs with voices will get popular when speech is more natural, which will likely come in later versions of Vocaloid -- if at all with their product. I'm sure Yamaha, being what they are, will certainly play a role in AIs of the future, and it is quite possible Vocaloid 3 or 4 or something down the road will be a part of the emergence of decent conversational AIs, but we're a long way off from the likes of Sharon Apple or whatever you seem to be alluding to with the Macross references. Still, Miku fandom won't die out any time soon -- I just don't see it evolving much more from what it currently is, since Vocaloid2 already 'old' technology so doesn't have much room for expansion, and any attempt to "upgrade" Miku for future versions would obviously change her voice so she wouldn't be Miku anymore. |
| Now the thing is that Hatsune Miku herself shows the basic limitation of A.I. Even though we can imprint her with soul (all the other vocaloids too) she does not have one of her own. Miku will only die if her software stops being used completely (maybe in a distant future she will just be a ghost, for the reason Asako pointed out). But even like that we can't exactly say she "died" because she never had a life to begin with. She is given a new one every song. |
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ukonkivi said: The initial meaning at least as far as I'm aware, was only to make a digital voice. But Miku Hatsune is more and more beginning to be perceived as a digital entity of sorts. And an iconic figure for the idea of a digital entity. Just watch this: It pretty much goes through and explains how much of an Idol Miku is. Now, when robotics technology improves such that seemingly near sentient animation is possible, then... the sky's the limit. |
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| possibly but i doubt it shes not designed for interaction more completion of tasks. look at aiko she is the most advanced AI so far made and apart from the body which is being imporved aas robotics impoves whes a glimpse at what AI will look and interact like. I think miku would be a good computer perhaps somthing like hologram with basic functions where you tell her to make some tea or perhaps pour a bath do a google search somthing like that and AIKO would be more along the lines of a companion. of course the big thing about AI is that you can tailor it to suit YOUR needs and so basically it really is left up to your desire im sure you could use miku as a basis for your AI but she is a vocoloid shes desiged to sing not to do other thing she is basically an instument like any other be it guitar or piano but just compueter and technology softwar based like any midi player like logic and reason or fruitloops and such. |
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| Maybe but I doubt it will happen anytime soon. |
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| Soon. Hatsune Miku will win American Idol... every year. >:D |
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| Definitely not past voice synthesis. Which of course is the nominally important part, but I am rather sure there are other voice synthesis programs of roughly equal capability, only without the moemoe leek-swinging idol. Otherwise, there's no difference from her and the Touhou flock, Beyoncé or Khorven. Some of them a bit more actually human than others, but still basically just wildly popular people. That is irrelevant to AI research, as opposed to, say, friendly AI, formal logic, connectivism vs. CMT debate and what have you. |
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| I don't think those that you mention are quite as iconic to otaku futurists as Hatsune Miku. It's the popularity here that is the notable thing. She's viewed as a digital icon instead of just a pop star. And her popularity as such gives people an incentive to maybe want to develop A.I. for her. In fact, I'm surprised nobody has designed a Project Aiko, Asimo, or what-have-you resembling project of some sort for Hatsune Miku. |
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| Well. AI is hard as hell. People who are good at AI research may not necessarily even know of Miku, or even if, care. I don't know, of course, but suffice to say, Miku is incaoable as of yet to turn an admirer into a genius. Sure, when we know how to make decent AI, it's inevitable there will crop up a heap of Miku-personators all over the place, as well as Elvis, Jesus, Remilia and Nebraska-tan. That's a nigh inevitability. Of course, I am unsure what kind of AI we are talking here... For after all, Pong has AI. But I assume that it is nigh-strong AI, or as near strong as possible if it turns out strong AI is impossible. |
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ukonkivi said: I don't think those that you mention are quite as iconic to otaku futurists as Hatsune Miku. It's the popularity here that is the notable thing. She's viewed as a digital icon instead of just a pop star. And her popularity as such gives people an incentive to maybe want to develop A.I. for her. In fact, I'm surprised nobody has designed a Project Aiko, Asimo, or what-have-you resembling project of some sort for Hatsune Miku. well asimo was desiged to work on the internationaspace station to repair the more dangerous taks in space walks. aiko was desigined as a companion now that depends on what you want in a companion aiko was made for his mother who has need of help and also his fear of her being left alone when he is not around to help her. now miku was designed as a sex slave vocalod musical syth hardly a companion for a 70 year old mother. and what about you ukonicivs would you prefer a shota type body to a loli type i know i would and miku is too typical femal big boobs and such. as far as bodies go i think now if you give me some time i can find his name but he is the formost epert in syth skin and dolls and has made a near perfect human android second to none except in AI aiko still is the most advanced ever built to date. ok i found the youtube of it combineing this tech with the idea of aiko and asimo and miku i think were close to achiving somthing simular to what your talking of though we are years to go befor a real miku type asimo aiko cross breed will be made to a good spec. |
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Dango-kun said: asimo= internationaspace aiko = companion I'm just giving examples. I've in mind with this thread anything that Miku Hatsune would likely be given if given A.I., from the first stage ideas to strong A.I. in the distant future. Either way, it would probably be something human resembling to match her fame. The companion thing definitely sounds more likely than the moon one. I can imagine a lot of people would like a maid Miku or a public service Miku. Interestingly related: EveR-2 is also known for singing. |
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ukonkivi said: Dango-kun said: asimo= internationaspace aiko = companion I'm just giving examples. I've in mind with this thread anything that Miku Hatsune would likely be given if given A.I., from the first stage ideas to strong A.I. in the distant future. Either way, it would probably be something human resembling to match her fame. The companion thing definitely sounds more likely than the moon one. I can imagine a lot of people would like a maid Miku or a public service Miku. Interestingly related: EveR-2 is also known for singing. well yes i think more people will opt for a more obvious maid servant stayle than asimo butler type but this all depends on taste like the astectic. now on a srs level of cybernetics and AI miku is not at all programmed to do anything other than sing i suppose you could set her parameter from singing to somthig else most obviously sex. EveR-2 is not as advanced as miku but a good base EveR-2 is like XP and miku is like win7 and still some prfess that XP is better than win7 even though it clearly is not. asimos prime objective though is as a space robot and also he might have to accept that as far as movemt goes it might be the best we can hope for so miku might look like a diptition made by your standard but she might still move like asimo :/ not sure if thats a good thing but it would be quite funny to see thats for sure. remeber miku is a prgram i have vocolid installed on my computer all it is a syth a very advaced syth the visual dipiction of miku is a marketing stragey that worked very well to promote a song she is essentil like the chinese olypics the pretty face be hind the true voice which is a a softwar program. all that would possibly happen if you gave miku AI is she might be able to create her own songs without humn help and that would be truly amazing. and on the spearate issue of the body desige it a toally personal choice AIKO is a purposefull built AI like miku is a pupsefully buily syth so you may as well ask what would happen if you installed miku into aiko because aiko has all the basic and advanced skill sets of an AI so basically she would use the miku prgram effectivly as a tool to continue to learn and grow as set by her paramenters. |
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