| Rudy gets criticism because he's far more perverted |
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| One is an old dude trying to take off a young girl's underwear, the other is a guy who is shy to even hold his gf's hand. We need to cancel Takemichi for even thinking about engaging in unprotected premarital handholding obviously. |
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| I don't get why fictional characters should be criticized for their actions. Aren't they written like that? It's not like they are responsible for anything. I don't know, I just don't get it. |
| honestly this thread isn’t going to help Rudeus’s case, people will hate him regardless what you say so there’s no real point wasting your breath |
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| Because Rudeus is an actual Pedo, revisualize all those scenes with a 30+-year-old scumbag instead of Rudeus and you'll get ur answer |
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Hrybami said: I don't get why fictional characters should be criticized for their actions. Aren't they written like that? It's not like they are responsible for anything. I don't know, I just don't get it. Why shouldn't a character be criticized? I'd say accepting fiction as it is without ever thinking about the context is more naive, wouldn't you say? It is there, so it'll be judged. What you are implying is that we should be indifferent to all fictional characters no matter their actions or circumstances? |
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| One is 40 years old hikikomori who got a boner looking at a 5 years old kid's vagina, the other one I don't know. So... Rudeus is a piece of shit and Mushoku Tensei is horrible, even if you overlook the pedophilic stuff (is it possible?) |
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ChibiTalha said: Hrybami said: I don't get why fictional characters should be criticized for their actions. Aren't they written like that? It's not like they are responsible for anything. I don't know, I just don't get it. Why shouldn't a character be criticized? I'd say accepting fiction as it is without ever thinking about the context is more naive, wouldn't you say? It is there, so it'll be judged. What you are implying is that we should be indifferent to all fictional characters no matter their actions or circumstances? I'd say accepting fiction as it is makes sense since it has been created to be that way. Criticizing it should imply that it shouldn't be that way. As if the characrers were responsible of their own morality. In the context of reality it makes sense since each individual is responsible of themself. However, I don't see the point in judging the show based on the morality portrayed as if accepting the show as it is would imply accepting everything that is morally wrong within it. I agree about judging content morally speaking, but only if it's limited within the anime only. In other words, to draw the line between fiction and reality. Saying that MT is bad because the MC is a pedo really doesn't make any sense to me. |
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Hrybami said: ChibiTalha said: Why shouldn't a character be criticized? I'd say accepting fiction as it is without ever thinking about the context is more naive, wouldn't you say? It is there, so it'll be judged. What you are implying is that we should be indifferent to all fictional characters no matter their actions or circumstances? I'd say accepting fiction as it is makes sense since it has been created to be that way. Criticizing it should imply that it shouldn't be that way. As if the characrers were responsible of their own morality. In the context of reality it makes sense since each individual is responsible of themself. However, I don't see the point in judging the show based on the morality portrayed as if accepting the show as it is would imply accepting everything that is morally wrong within it. I agree about judging content morally speaking, but only if it's limited within the anime only. In other words, to draw the line between fiction and reality. Saying that MT is bad because the MC is a pedo really doesn't make any sense to me. Well I never said MT is bad, so honestly, I am not sure what you are talking about. Just because Eren committed a genocide doesn't mean Aot is bad, or just because there is rape in Berserk, doesn't mean it's bad. Of course, I agree with it. Though Rudeus as a character is shit, that's all there is to it. The way he is depicted is shit, the way those instances were played off as fanservice is shit. They should be criticized for the exact reason that they are written like that ^^ |
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ChibiTalha said: Hrybami said: I'd say accepting fiction as it is makes sense since it has been created to be that way. Criticizing it should imply that it shouldn't be that way. As if the characrers were responsible of their own morality. In the context of reality it makes sense since each individual is responsible of themself. However, I don't see the point in judging the show based on the morality portrayed as if accepting the show as it is would imply accepting everything that is morally wrong within it. I agree about judging content morally speaking, but only if it's limited within the anime only. In other words, to draw the line between fiction and reality. Saying that MT is bad because the MC is a pedo really doesn't make any sense to me. Well I never said MT is bad, so honestly, I am not sure what you are talking about. Just because Eren committed a genocide doesn't mean Aot is bad, or just because there is rape in Berserk, doesn't mean it's bad. Of course, I agree with it. Though Rudeus as a character is shit, that's all there is to it. The way he is depicted is shit, the way those instances were played off as fanservice is shit. They should be criticized for the exact reason that they are written like that ^^ I wasn't saying this for you specifically. This topic is constantly brought up and I see many people using morality as a standard for judging either a character or an anime. Like if the author had certain obligations to not write something immoral unless it is strongly implied that it was morally wrong. It basically mean that the character's flaws are due to the bad writing as if the writer intended to write a flawless hero, but oups! he wrote Rudeus instead. The example you brought also made me recall that people are inconsistent in their own arguments. If they want to use the moral card as an argument for an anime, then they should use it for all the anime. Not making situational exception for convenience reasons. |
| you can't put them in the same category lmfao. one is a guy in his mid 40s wanting to have sex with a 10 year old and the other is a guy in his late 20s getting nervous when being asked on a date by his first gf. im not saying you can't critique takemichi while having to critique rudeus but they're definitely not in the same level |
| Well he doesn't assault sleeping child He doesn't fap on his parents funeral on his brothers small daughter So yeah rudeus is just ugly bastard unlike takemichi even director admitted it he is really gross to animate.so yeah rudeus is piece of shi+ just like his show |
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Bilal_hamdan said: any normal human being would not get attracted to 10 year old no matter how you see it and he is 40 inside even if he didn't commit any misdeeds being attracted to small kids while your brain is 40year old doesn't make him less creep instead normal guy would go for older women.i know now you will say same thing about takemichi but that is clearly diffrent case by that logic Subaru would have age more than Emilia while doing loopsAvinash_rtw said: Well he doesn't assault sleeping child He doesn't fap on his parents funeral on his brothers small daughter So yeah rudeus is just ugly bastard unlike takemichi even director admitted it he is really gross to animate.so yeah rudeus is piece of shi+ just like his show Ok lemme ask this hypothetical question ... Let's say that Rudeus was a saint , he never did any wrong deed In his past or new life , would it be ok for him to be emotionally invested in girls that are the same age as him in his new life ? |
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Conceptualhero said: well anime clearly show him as ub (30 character limit)Avinash_rtw said: Well he doesn't assault sleeping child He doesn't fap on his parents funeral on his brothers small daughter So yeah rudeus is just ugly bastard unlike takemichi even director admitted it he is really gross to animate.so yeah rudeus is piece of shi+ just like his show If I recalled correctly, in the light novels it was stated he was physically attractive. I don't think he would be considered an ugly bastard based on the definition I got on Google. |
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Conceptualhero said: mushoku tensei is self insert isekai story of course author have to made him handsome in new world otherwise how can he gain his harem lol but he is still ubAvinash_rtw said: well anime clearly show him as ub (30 character limit) That depends on certain context. In Rudeus' past life, he can be considered an ugly bastard. In his new life, his physical state doesn't fit the definition of an "ub." |
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| Last time I checked, Takemichi never jacked off to 4 yo relatives or tried to sexually assault 11 yo girls. |
| Dont shit on my boy takemichi to try to justify that sick fuck |
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| What a false equivalency OP. Anyway, I truly wonder how Funimation is will navigate all of Mushoku Tensei's controversies. Especially when Cons open back up and the VAs and ADR director have to answer awkward questions about Rudeus from the crowd. |
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Conceptualhero said: MoonStar9 said: What a false equivalency OP. Anyway, I truly wonder how Funimation is will navigate all of Mushoku Tensei's controversies. Especially when Cons open back up and the VAs and ADR director have to answer awkward questions about Rudeus from the crowd. What's an ADR? I don't think it will be too big of a problem. The VAs have no input in the creative decision of the actual anime itself. What would be some of the potentially awkward questions you have in mind? Automated Dialogue Replacement. They direct the dub VAs and are often VAs themselves so will also be at Cons. The VAs may not have creative control of the anime but they still have their professions attached to it. There's no way Rudeus' pedophilia, both before reincarnation and after since he still consciously an adult, isn't an awkward topic brought up. |
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Conceptualhero said: MoonStar9 said: Automated Dialogue Replacement. They direct the dub VAs and are often VAs themselves so will also be at Cons. The VAs may not have creative control of the anime but they still have their professions attached to it. There's no way Rudeus' pedophilia, both before reincarnation and after since he still consciously an adult, isn't an awkward topic brought up. I mean what do they hope the VAs will say? They could ask the VAs for their opinions on Rudeus' pedophilia or other adult nature featured in the show, but the VAs would most likely be prepped by public relations specialists. Any responses pertaining to the matter will most likely be similar to corporate PR statements. Anime isn't nearly as big as Hollywood movies in the US so the ADR team likely aren't going to be prepped by PR on what they're allowed to say unless they're under contracts or its something massively controversial like allegations. They WILL be asked about this show. Remember Funi is the company that no longer wanted to be associated with Interspecies Reviewers because of its explicit content. I wonder if Mushoku Tensei will just be overlooked as another Isekai or if the stink is big enough to follow them around since it clearly follows the anime around wherever it's mentioned. |
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Conceptualhero said: MoonStar9 said: Anime isn't nearly as big as Hollywood movies in the US so the ADR team likely aren't going to be prepped by PR on what they're allowed to say unless they're under contracts or its something massively controversial like allegations. They WILL be asked about this show. Remember Funi is the company that no longer wanted to be associated with Interspecies Reviewers because of its explicit content. I wonder if Mushoku Tensei will just be overlooked as another Isekai or if the stink is big enough to follow them around since it clearly follows the anime around wherever it's mentioned. I am going to give Funimation the benefit of the doubt and assume they did their due diligence by researching the series beforehand. Interestingly enough, Mushoku Tensei was licensed by Seven Seas years prior before the anime aired while it seems like no western publisher wants to license Redo of Healer. If a western publisher licensed a series, then I assume it knows what it is getting itself into at least. I don't anticipate there will be many awkward questions, but I will have to wait to see. tbf Mushoku Tensei was censored and altered by Seven Seas. A lot of the controversial scenes were either outright omitted or changed. |
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Hrybami said: I don't get why fictional characters should be criticized for their actions. Aren't they written like that? It's not like they are responsible for anything. I don't know, I just don't get it. I guess fictional characters have never influenced people throughout history... |
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| I can’t be expected to consume every bit of problematic media containing similar issues and insofar as this thread goes, it seems the two aren’t very comparable at all. |
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Zodazzle said: Hrybami said: I don't get why fictional characters should be criticized for their actions. Aren't they written like that? It's not like they are responsible for anything. I don't know, I just don't get it. I guess fictional characters have never influenced people throughout history... Of course not. It's the content creator who influence people, not the fictional character. The character is merely the vessel of a message. |
Hrybami said: Of course not. It's the content creator who influence people, not the fictional character. The character is merely the vessel of a message. And that's the reason why you should criticize certain characters. If the message that a character is meant to portray is problematic, then the character itself is problematic. I would argue Rudeus isn't problematic yet, everything he has done is completely expected of a loser like him, but I really hope that he is continuously pushed to mature. |
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Zodazzle said: Hrybami said: Of course not. It's the content creator who influence people, not the fictional character. The character is merely the vessel of a message. And that's the reason why you should criticize certain characters. If the message that a character is meant to portray is problematic, then the character itself is problematic. I would argue Rudeus isn't problematic yet, everything he has done is completely expected of a loser like him, but I really hope that he is continuously pushed to mature. I wouldn't criticize a character for being problematic when the author's intention was that the character should portray problematic messages. I can criticize a character about aspects that are in the realm of the fiction. This includes the morality of the character according to the world they live in. If it's a realistic depiction, then I can judge the character like I would judge a real person. However, I'll limit my criticism to the content of the anime only. That's why I never use the term problematic for fictional characters and I consider that a character is never responsible for their actions. All criticism that exceed the realm of fiction should belong to the content creator. |
Hrybami said: Zodazzle said: And that's the reason why you should criticize certain characters. If the message that a character is meant to portray is problematic, then the character itself is problematic. I would argue Rudeus isn't problematic yet, everything he has done is completely expected of a loser like him, but I really hope that he is continuously pushed to mature. I wouldn't criticize a character for being problematic when the author's intention was that the character should portray problematic messages. I can criticize a character about aspects that are in the realm of the fiction. This includes the morality of the character according to the world they live in. If it's a realistic depiction, then I can judge the character like I would judge a real person. However, I'll limit my criticism to the content of the anime only. That's why I never use the term problematic for fictional characters and I consider that a character is never responsible for their actions. All criticism that exceed the realm of fiction should belong to the content creator. You stated that characters are a vessel to the author's message, right? It doesn't matter if the world they exist in is different from ours. Themes and story morals almost always reflect on the real world. If Rudeus was used as a way to say that grooming, pedophilia, and rape was fine (which btw I don't think he is), it doesn't matter if it was written for the Mushoku Tensei world, it is a message made by a person who actually thought that would be a good message for the viewers Which is why I use the term problematic, because being flawed doesn't equate to being problematic. A flawed character, if done right, will provide commentary on the problems they have, and will make them more fleshed out. A problematic character will provide commentary, but it will miss the point of why their problems are problems, and sometimes feel like an endorsement of bad things. I don't blame people for being put off by characters like Rudeus, any character involving creepy topics is going to be treading in topics that might apply to some people's lives too much. If it doesn't apply to you, that's completely fine, it doesn't apply to me either. I will still recognize problems when I see it, though. |
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