Isayama admitted in the latest interview that the theme of the last part was beyond his ability and he truly regretted it that he wasn’t able to do a better job expressing it.
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| Well good on him, at least he admits it. Funny enough this reminds me of Togashi admitting that Yu Yu Hakusho's ending was bad lol I do feel bad for him as well tho, it must feel really frustrating to screw up a story to the point where you can't even thematically give it a proper ending and end up reading online reviews and comments to draw an ending. He's not a bad writer, like at all but he needed to understand that there are some things that one cannot achieve or is beyond one's scope when it comes to writing, which he hopefully now understands better. In any case, the good thing is that Isayama won't stop writing anytime soon and his next manga will most likely be even better because he would have a better understanding of the extent of his writing capabilities. He can write incredible stuff when he wants to lol ccrsxx said: Isayama was happiest when he was drawing the beginning of Marley arc-chapter 91 battle scene. He drew them with extreme concentration and strength. Now that this serial is over, Isayama is free. He wanted to walk on the street with a glass in his hand This is what Isayama thinks of as freedom. Credits to u/SparrowJump Well he is free and I'm happy for him. The only thing he has to worry about now is what the anime onlies reaction is gonna be next year. It's most likely going to be even worse than the manga reader's reaction to the ending lmao. |
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| Holykek. Fanboys who were defending the ending should get their brain checked. I suspect they may have some defect lol |
| If this guy was actually influenced by internet forums because he had "trouble the closer it got to ending" Isayama is actually a shit of an author lmao, actually embarrassing 🤣 |
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| Well, it's a bit sad that Isayama didn't read some of the more interesting versions of the ending online, but what is done is done. I'm glad that he admits that Armin's phrase was beyond awkward. I hope he corrects it. I'm actually glad he's not satisfied with the ending, I think it leaves a possibility for an anime-original ending. This has been done before, and it surely can be done now. I'd be happy to see it. (Yeah I have replenished my stock of hopium! And will proudly continue to do so. That is what the fandom exists for!) It was fun to read that chapter 69 is one of his favourites, I really like Levi and Kenny's backstory and generally the Uprising Arc. I think it's amazing both in the manga and the anime. |
Sage_Path_Asahi said: he did say aot wasted his 10 years, i can clearly see that since he clearly hasn't matured for those 10 years either, spending his life being a whiny edgy manchild I don't understand why some of you take offense on the notion that some people think that they wasted their time. It's not like we are entitled to a certain ending but consider this: AoT is a product for entertainment and people decided to dedicate their time and money because it had certain properties. A tight-knit plot, it's genre switch from a survival mystery , to political mystery, to war drama was well executed , some meta criticism on tropes in fiction by not following them even openly mocking them on occasion. All twists felt earned and the direction and tone of the show was consistent. Then after the climax of the story at chapter 123 (the rumbling) everything was the opposite. We got a Marvel movie full of tropes , no stakes, plot contrivances and finally a completely unearned twist (the Ymir one). In the marketing world that's called bait and switch and it's something that i don't appreciate personaly, so a feeling "that my time was wasted" is warranted. That being said seeing that it wasn't his intention and in fact he is probably more frustrated than me , makes me really feel bad for the guy. |
Sage_Path_Asahi said: majinale said: got no problem with that, but this little whiny bitch yeager doesn't know the difference between toxic hating and critique, shitting on isayama for a month now, u can try defending this with those reddit witty responses of ur but that won't make it right, calling things like hacksayama and all that shit is disgusting to be honest, the man worked his ass for a decade, i am not asking y'all to love the ending or suck his dick, BUT GIVE HIM A REST MOTHERFUCKERS !I don't understand why some of you take offense on the notion that some people think that they wasted their time. It's not like we are entitled to a certain ending but consider this: AoT is a product for entertainment and people decided to dedicate their time and money because it had certain properties. A tight-knit plot, it's genre switch from a survival mystery , to political mystery, to war drama was well executed , some meta criticism on tropes in fiction by not following them even openly mocking them on occasion. All twists felt earned and the direction and tone of the show was consistent. Then after the climax of the story at chapter 123 (the rumbling) everything was the opposite. We got a Marvel movie full of tropes , no stakes, plot contrivances and finally a completely unearned twist (the Ymir one). In the marketing world that's called bait and switch and it's something that i don't appreciate personaly, so a feeling "that my time was wasted" is warranted. That being said seeing that it wasn't his intention and in fact he is probably more frustrated than me , makes me really feel bad for the guy. I am not defending anyone besides my own position, also i have never used nor will i ever use the cesspool that is reddit. |
| Not living up to their own expectations can hurt an author more than any audience can ever imagine, hope he can overcome his shortcomings in his next work. |
AkhandBharat said: bold of you to assume there was a brain to begin withHolykek. Fanboys who were defending the ending should get their brain checked. I suspect they may have some defect lol |
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reallythatbad said: it seems like the people who are most upset are the ones who got tricked by Isayama into thinking they were reading a masterpiece. and this interview only confirms that. the rest of us who saw AoT for its flaws since day one weren't disappointed because we could tell Isayama was struggling with the story ever since he introduced the yeagerists and ruined Eren's character in the table scene in ch 112, and well that mistake just kept haunting the series until it ended. I actually think the only great arcs Isayama was able to come up with were Marley and Return to Shiganshina. the rest was just standard shonen and the ending was even lesser because of how rushed it was. I have to respectfully disagree. We weren't tricked by Isayama, the story was in fact pretty tightly-knit until the rumbling started. My only gripes up to that point were a few nitpicks line how did Bert's CT carcass completely disappear in an instant on chapter 4, the armor vial, Mikasa's tattoo relevancy and things of that nature but considering that we talk about 123 chapters you can expect some mistakes or dropped plot-points to happen. The from 124 on-wards the list of inconsistencies of all shorts and plot contrivances started to pile chapter after chapter. The drop in quality was real and i am not talking about rushing , i am talking about a shift in tone. 139 was just the cherry on top (more like a wrecking ball on the manga's legacy). |
majinaleMay 1, 2021 2:18 PM
| I don't see what's the point of you guys attacking each other. I think that the final arc of the story is very bad and the ending itself is pure trash. But i don't consdider people who liked dumb. In fact if you liked it i am happy for you, one less disappointed fan is a positive in my books. But for the love of god the "you just didn't understand" crowd is insufferable. |
majinale said: I don't see what's the point of you guys attacking each other. I think that the final arc of the story is very bad and the ending itself is pure trash. But i don't consdider people who liked dumb. In fact if you liked it i am happy for you, one less disappointed fan is a positive in my books. But for the love of god the "you just didn't understand" crowd is insufferable. You must be new to the block. The ending defender has been using every trick they can find to justify the ending and discredit anyone who pointed out the flaws. People have been saying how dumb for Armin, the pacifier, for thanking the genocide ever since the leaks came out but it takes the author to come out to say how dumb it is to shut them up. Yes, it's his story, but man anyone who took a literacy class can tell how badly written it is. Multiple themes of the story (slavery for one) weren't done justice to and yet when pointing it out people trying to force it down with the "you don't understand". |
yaegerist-15 said: imbAF said: nah I already moved on with other anime and mangas, it’s just funny to see how braindead people like you think the ending is okay. He wasted your time to pal, you’re just in denial that the ending sucks haha even yams admits that it sucksyou still here? did you even took a nap from yesterday to now xD? Yeah, man, Isayama ought to do an ending similar to the one you pictured in that brain of yours. lmaooo. The ending is OK, and it will be flashed more with the extra 8 pages of explanation and also in the anime, but i am happy that after 8 years of following it, you will be salty for the rest of time :D numnumnum Well his question still stands you seem quite overly bitter about the series maybe stop posting in the threads change your username and actually move on instead of getting upset about people having a different opinion discussing the same stuff to death. Series is over so yeah move on if you say you are going to. Regardless people have different valuations on how important an ending is for me it does impact enjoyment but doesn't ruin everything. I still will give Isayama a lot of credit for getting me back into anime/manga even if he fumbled it at the end. In 2-3 years I probably will be able to enjoy a few of the arcs again like with other flawed series like Naruto or Bleach. |
el3mel said: You'll bet. Some fanboys will say they understand the ending more than the author himself, lol. Any way to not admit they were wrong. I don't want to get into your little quarrel here, but the authors in general may not understand the fiction they wrote, especially when it's a long work. Elements in the story might affect each other in ways the author didn't expect. And more complex the story is, bigger the likelihood becomes. Naturally the author decides what's canon, but the story also writes itself, and some stories evolve beyond the capacity of the author. That is exactly what has happened here, and it was admitted by Isayama. That doesn't mean fans understand the themes author intended to explore better than the author himself, but they MAY understand the themes any sort of work itself instinctively created. Be it manga, anime, movie, music, painting, anything really. That's a general statement, and not specifically about AOT. |
XilverMay 1, 2021 4:30 PM
Xilver said: el3mel said: You'll bet. Some fanboys will say they understand the ending more than the author himself, lol. Any way to not admit they were wrong. I don't want to get into your little quarrel here, but the authors in general may not understand the fiction they wrote, especially when it's a long work. Elements in the story might affect each other in ways the author didn't expect. And more complex the story is, bigger the likelihood becomes. Naturally the authors decides what's canon, but the story also writes itself, and some stories evolve beyond the capacity of the author. That is exactly what has happened here, and it was admitted by Isayama. That doesn't mean fans understand the themes author intended to explore better than the author himself, but they MAY understand the themes any sort of work itself instinctively created. Be it manga, anime, movie, music, painting, anything really. That's a general statement, and not specifically about AOT. I agree with this. For instance i don't think Isayama ever wanted readers to root for Eren post time-skip. In fact i would say that he did all he could to make him an actual vilain and not an antihero archetype. But he miscalculated the nature of the story. Eren can't be the de facto villain with the way that it was presented. Eren's actions are morally justifiable and i can even argue that him not activating the rumbling is the immoral choice. That was the story that we got. But then at the end Isayama wanted to pursue what he perceived the crux of the story, giving us his surface level take on free will and determinism , obliterating everything the story was built on. The rumbling wasn't the culmination of millennia of hatred and bad choices but more like a natural phenomenon like a tornado. Many are pissed that chadren wasn't real, while the Ymir subplot is orders of magnitude worse. |
majinaleMay 1, 2021 4:16 PM
| Well, at least, he admits it. |
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majinale said: Yeah, I feel like Isayama realized he wasn't making the Yeagerists look like the bad guys so he had to add derps like Daz to their ranks to make them look just slightly worse. Floch was probably supposed to be the baddie we all loved to hate, but he actually shaped up into one of the best post-timeskip characters. I was honestly ready to pop out the champagne and celebrate at this moment:Xilver said: I don't want to get into your little quarrel here, but the authors in general may not understand the fiction they wrote, especially when it's a long work. Elements in the story might affect each other in ways the author didn't expect. And more complex the story is, bigger the likelihood becomes. Naturally the authors decides what's canon, but the story also writes itself, and some stories evolve beyond the capacity of the author. That is exactly what has happened here, and it was admitted by Isayama. That doesn't mean fans understand the themes author intended to explore better than the author himself, but they MAY understand the themes any sort of work itself instinctively created. Be it manga, anime, movie, music, painting, anything really. That's a general statement, and not specifically about AOT. I agree with this. For instance i don't think Isayama ever wanted readers to root for Eren post time-skip. In fact i would say that he did all he could to make him an actual vilain and not an antihero archetype. But he miscalculated the nature of the story. Eren can't be the de facto villain with the way that it was presented. Eren's actions are morally justifiable and i can even argue that him not activating the rumbling is the immoral choice. That was the story that we got. But then at the end Isayama wanted to pursue what he perceived the crux of the story, giving us his surface level take on free will and determinism , obliterating everything the story was built on. The rumbling wasn't the culmination of millennia of hatred and bad choices but more like a natural phenomenon like a tornado. Many are pissed that chadren wasn't real, while the Ymir subplot is orders of magnitude worse.  |
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Isayama's interview leaked by zekken(roughly translated) Well that's definitely sad. In the end, Isayama was the one who got freedom.  |
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
Did he get freedom though? The fact that he was insecure enough to check online reviews for the reception, during serialization mind you, tells me that he lacks confidence despite his success. People like that tend to focus on the negative feedback only, one bad comment can ruin their day. There is plenty of negative feedback for the ending criticizing various things. I bet he is isn't free at all. |
Klad said: nah man Isayamai doesn't understand the subtle themes of the ending and he's just mad cuz his head canon didn't come true, he was a speed reader who only cared about erehisu and edgy rumbling smh.LMFAO. Are there still people who think it's a good ending? Isayama is certainly not one of them |
JosephSaber40 said: @yaegerist-15 to be completely honest with you Ch1 foreshadowed Mikasa's dream in 138 that means 1~138 were part of his original plans, he applied the changes in 139 in the last moment without any build up or preparation retconning the entire storyline in the process, complete the nonsense. Tying up loose ends does not mean this was part of the plan originally. You would be saying the same if the ending was a timeloop. |
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