| There are however defenders of the movement in the international sphere who says that the women appear young, but could be older. One poster on Quora said, “A loli is a female character with an appearance ranging from 6–12 years. Age and appearance don’t really have to be in consonance, she can be 19 years old and appear 9.” (source: https://www.thesundaily.my/home/pedophilia-in-malaysia-s-loli-anime-community-BD2126726) Does this in fact really promote it? |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
| yes definitely, it's literally just cp but in 2d or anime |
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| It might attract pedo I think. I never supported "loli" idea and I can not understand the mindset of it. "Moe-moe" is enough for me :D |
| “In the battlefield, there is no place for hope. What lies there is only cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. All those people who met there have wholeheartedly admitted the evil and foolishness of this act called war. As long as people don’t repent and don’t regard it as the most evil taboo, then hell will endlessly reappear in the world.” – Kiritsugu Emiya |
This topic is gonna be closed mate. lol. my opinion is yes and no, I don't think it's one straightforward answer. But yeah. ADR#5 mate  Let's discuss this instead. How did this get on TV??? 😳😳😳 |
ChartTopper60Mar 25, 2021 9:50 AM
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Takamura-sama said: This particular image probably in no legislation. Beyond that, anime and cartoons are never (as in: at no time regardless of content) considered child pornography in the EU, USA, and Japan. There are however defenders of the movement in the international sphere who says that the women appear young, but could be older. One poster on Quora said, “A loli is a female character with an appearance ranging from 6–12 years. Age and appearance don’t really have to be in consonance, she can be 19 years old and appear 9.” (source: https://www.thesundaily.my/home/pedophilia-in-malaysia-s-loli-anime-community-BD2126726) https://nichegamer.com/2019/06/03/us-and-japan-reject-united-nations-proposal-to-ban-various-forms-of-anime-manga-and-games/ I think official statements of a government override the opinion on some Malaysian internet board. |
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| I think an empirical study is ought to be done to actually figure it out. To be honest my initial intuition is that if a certain person didn't have an unhealthy attraction to children then watching lolis is probably not gonna convert them, I obviously may be wrong though. |
Nothing's new under the sun and that's OK. |
| Ah, another thread for the Mushoku Tensei and Kobayashi fans to try to defend themselves, this will turn into. |
| IDFK? Ask a criminologist or something, they might have a better idea or grasp than MAL members. |
Little_SheeplingMar 25, 2021 10:01 AM
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discuss what bro? :D Should I see Arabic "Allah" drawing (or writing...) in this pic... Because I see a 4 fingered guy instead of that :D LoL |
| “In the battlefield, there is no place for hope. What lies there is only cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. All those people who met there have wholeheartedly admitted the evil and foolishness of this act called war. As long as people don’t repent and don’t regard it as the most evil taboo, then hell will endlessly reappear in the world.” – Kiritsugu Emiya |
| it definetely attracts some pedos but its not definite. idk |
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| I don't think that anime or cartoon can convert someone to a pedophile nor attract them, well that is my opinion.. |
nyandreMar 25, 2021 10:04 AM
Pakumen- said: Why would one have to defend for executing rights guaranteed by the constitutions of Western liberal democracies? The people who have to defend themselves are those who slander and defame people based on their own uptight morals. Those people either do not understand the concept of Freedom of Art, or hate democratic majority decisions. Or both.Ah, another thread for the Mushoku Tensei and Kobayashi fans to try to defend themselves, this will turn into. |
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| "Lolicon is not pedophila" ~ Some pedophile There you have my answer |
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SeekingChaos said: Funny, you just said the parliaments of the 27 EU member states and Japan and the US congress are pedophiles. Because they said just that, and even made it national law."Lolicon is not pedophila" ~ Some pedophile You, Sir, do not respect democracy and try to slander people who do by throwing words at them you do not seem to understand. |
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| This question is on the level of "do violent videogames make or attract mass shooters?". Short answer is no, long answer is it's complicated |
| When it comes to sexualization of lolis just think about this for a second here put your self in their mind these are created by adults and these adults are creating characters which have demonstrable features which are comparable to children and they're putting them in sexual scenarios. They're doing this to arouse other children or other adults so you have an adult who's trying to arouse a child or you have an adult that's trying to arouse an adult with a child do I even need to explain how fucked up this is. The word lolicon literally means pedophile but since anime industry is making profit from them they are wiling to normalize it and redefine words. These guys will avoid ANY thinking when you mention "loli" comes from Lolita, a book literally about exploitive sex with a child. I have tried to make this connection to no avail. Rhetorical gymnastics are the only result. In that way they remind me of video game industry with surprise mechanics instead of loot boxes in anime it's lolicons instead of pedos. Loli defense ends up being a giant mess of a spider web because there seems to be several factions to it. 1. The straight up pedophiles that probably have hard drives of both fictional and real cp 2. The pedophiles (in denial or otherwise) that are similarly attracted to children, but think the loli shit is fine due to being in a legal gray area 3. The hardcore anime fan that isn't attracted to depictions of sexualized children, but has repeated "SEPARATE FICTION FROM REALITY!" so many times and are so allergic to criticism of a media they love that they'll get weirdly defensive when there's literally no reason for it. 4. The standard anime fans that just roll their eyes when they see it at best, but don't really dwell on it because of how normalized it's become. Then they get surprised when people outside of that bubble take issue with it because of how desensitized they've become over the years. 5. The fans that wish it wasn't normalized, but will still argue for its existence on the basis of being free expression absolutists (or close to it). They will also push back against any kind of legislation involved in restricting it due to that, despite many finding it reprehensible. It doesn't help that there's a psychological aspect to all this and potential studies on normalization vs inspiration vs outlet. And shotacon too, which, while rarer, is still prevalent and goes hand-in-hand with lolicon ideologically. There should be no safe space for sexualization of children, but it often hides behind sex-positivity especially in shotacon's case. |
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tal_carmi said: I think an empirical study is ought to be done to actually figure it out. To be honest my initial intuition is that if a certain person didn't have an unhealthy attraction to children then watching lolis is probably not gonna convert them, I obviously may be wrong though. I did a very scientific study on a test sample of 1 lolicon, searching their laptop for the live-action porn they were watching. If I have a kid one day, first lolicon that gets near, I'm giving them concrete boots and sending them to swim with the fishes. No jokes. I don't need to open the computers of more of these people. One was enough to find what I expected to find, and I'm not taking the risk. |
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FluentLove said: I'm afraid you have to explain "how fucked that is" and why. Because arousing people is not a crime in my country.They're doing this to arouse other children or other adults so you have an adult who's trying to arouse a child or you have an adult that's trying to arouse an adult with a child do I even need to explain how fucked up this is. |
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| Just like people who watch anime with a lot of murder don't actually become murderers in real life.. its sem with Loli anime.. it may attract pedophiles but generally 95% of the people watching it aren't pedophiles.. i watched and enjoyed Prisma illya fanservice but i still jerk off to big tiddy housewives.. in of itself.. comparing 2d to 3d is generally a pretty illogical way of thinking and if some one is actually comparing them then they kinda need to see some therapist.. |
| how is watching an anime charachter that looks like she is 10 but is actually 20000 years old would make anyone a pedophile? its like saying LGBTQ+ representation will turn people gay, but yeah the whole loli thing wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't made for attracting pedophiles. |
| Lolicons especially used in ecchi situations & Harems need to be abolished and are gross af and only pedos try to validate them |
FluentLove said: When it comes to sexualization of lolis just think about this for a second here put your self in their mind these are created by adults and these adults are creating characters which have demonstrable features which are comparable to children and they're putting them in sexual scenarios. They're doing this to arouse other children or other adults so you have an adult who's trying to ... yeah, gonna have to agree with you on this one. While I mostly do agree with the "separate fiction from reality" for most stances, I'm pretty sure that there is a psychological tie somewhere. I'm willing to hear other perspectives tho. |
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inim said: Why would one have to defend for executing rights guaranteed by the constitutions of Western liberal democracies? The people who have to defend themselves are those who slander and defame people based on their own uptight morals. Those people either do not understand the concept of Freedom of Art, or hate democratic majority decisions. Or both. That was a pretty defensive response if you consider the (obvious) sarcastic tone I use, then you also replied to someone else in the same kind of posture. Did we hit too close to home or something? Also, I don´t need to argue with someone that likes lolis. It´s very easy to realize that you can make child characters that behave like children without making them (or putting them) into sexualized scenarios. There are plenty of anime that does that, and its fine. The two examples I mentioned are not like that, and those "works of art" were made by adults. Finally, there are many examples of manga authors that likes to put lolis in their titles being pedophiles, two of the most famous ones are the author of Ruroni Kenshin (charged for possession of children porn) and the Made in Abyss one (same thing). |
| I'm here while it's still hot. Does lolicon attract pedophiles? Probably, and I believe it's a good thing, the more pedophiles watch hentai, the less actually try to diddle real children,and perhaps the production of actual CP decreases. Does it make pedophiles? Doubt it, call the human being flawed, but we're still really good at making a distinction between reality and fiction. |
| Stuff in the streets, Stuff with drip in the sheets |
| The content isn't the problem, so much as how individuals react to it. Getting rid of it isn't going to solve anything. Anyone who's actually attracted to real children is still going to continue that behavior. But I guess that concept is too hard for people to grasp... |
| why even bother with this argument? I don’t think people will ever come to a consensus about lolis, just ignore others and do you |
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| This is like saying violent video games lead to real world violence when it's actually the other way round. Pedophiles are attracted to lolis but lolis don't make pedos. |
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Pakumen- said: Ah, the good old "I'm allowed to attack people in slanderous and toxic ways because I'm just kidding" manovre. No, Sir, ASCII knows no sarcasm and attacking people with such nonsense is considered toxic hate speech.inim said: That was a pretty defensive response if you consider the (obvious) sarcastic tone I use [...] Did we hit too close to home or something?Why would one have to defend for executing rights guaranteed by the constitutions of Western liberal democracies? The people who have to defend themselves are those who slander and defame people based on their own uptight morals. Those people either do not understand the concept of Freedom of Art, or hate democratic majority decisions. Or both. Pakumen- said: Thanks again for this confirmation that you are hating free speech, democratic majority decisions and democracy.Also, I don´t need to argue with someone that likes lolis. |
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| Well I personally don't think lolicons are the same as actual pedophiles . Sure , they have a weird and disgusting fetish but I wouldn't consider it to be pedophilia . Anime characters aren't realistic if you ask me . |
shoelacewaxMar 25, 2021 10:35 AM
| I am just gonna say this if it does attract pedos: Which would rather have a pedo hurt an actual child, have CP of real children, or fap to a cartoonish drawing were no actual children are hurt? I would rather have a pedo beat the fuck outta his dick everyday to some loli hentai than ever have one hurt an actual child. This is something you never see brought up in this debate. Even of lolicon does equal pedo one who wanks it only to 2D children is not on the same level of grossness as one who has real CP or has assaulted an actual child. Along with the fact is they could be attracted to that loli BECAUSE they aren't real since they know this would be a crime if these fantasizes transferred to the real world. Again you don't see anyone saying if someone faps to incest porn wants to get with their sibling or if you fap to furries they want to fuck their dog. So why is it only with loli this is the fetish that has to transfer to the real world if someone has it within animation. |
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| it doesn't do either. I watch moe stuff. Liking them is a manly trait. Not watchin them is a feminine trait. Stop putting the blame on this just like people put blame on video games for violence. |
inim said: Ah, the good old "I'm allowed to attack people in slanderous and toxic ways because I'm just kidding" manovre. No, Sir, ASCII knows no sarcasm and attacking people with such nonsense is considered toxic hate speech. First, my comment was obviously meant to trigger people, not attacking them, but you know what? For damn sure I will attack and make toxic hate speech against pedophiles. I would call the police asap if I knew one, and If executions were still allowed, I will be there rooting, trust me. Thanks again for this confirmation that you are hating free speech, democratic majority decisions and democracy. That´s a pretty politically stupid response. I don´t know (neither do I care) which country are you from, but if liking lolis is free speech because "It is a form of art that my country connsiders illegal, yet it should stay completely fine", fuck that, as if politicians, religious people in the Vatican and famous artists aren´t some of the biggest pedophiles in the world. |
01Sharjeel said: it doesn't do either. I watch moe stuff. Liking them is a manly trait. Not watchin them is a feminine trait. Stop putting the blame on this just like people put blame on video games for violence. Exactly...When has scapegoating ever lead to actual solutions? Literally never as far as I know... |
Pakumen- said: How is "triggering" people not toxic and an attempt to derail this thread? You are no white knight in shiny armor, and attacking people who do not share your moral values is still slander. You are not entitled to attack people just because your own morals tells you so.inim said: First, my comment was obviously meant to trigger people, not attacking them, but you know what? Ah, the good old "I'm allowed to attack people in slanderous and toxic ways because I'm just kidding" manovre. No, Sir, ASCII knows no sarcasm and attacking people with such nonsense is considered toxic hate speech. Pakumen- said: What is heroic about reporting a crime with innocent and defenseless victims such as child pornography? It's a civil duty, and your melodramatic way of stating the obvious is mildly amusing. Also, pedophilia is a medical condition and not a crime. You are no doctor, so your opinion on a medical condition is worthless.For damn sure I will attack and make toxic hate speech against pedophiles. I would call the police asap if I knew one, and If executions were still allowed, I will be there rooting, trust me. |
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inim said: ]What is heroic about reporting a crime with innocent and defenseless victims such as child pornography? It's a civil duty, and your melodramatic way of stating the obvious is mildly amusing. Also, pedophilia is a medical condition and not a crime. You are no doctor, so your opinion on a medical condition is worthless. This response should be going into the hall of fame for the most degenerate and retarted comments I´ve seen here on MAL. I hope no one is watching your search history dude. Btw you don´t know if I am a doctor or not. |
Pakumen- said: Nice try to accuse me of illegal acts. You really love your slander, don't you. My search history is just fine, I don't need to be afraid of anything.inim said: This response should be going into the hall of fame for the most degenerate and retarted comments I´ve seen here on MAL. I hope no one is watching your search history dude. Btw you don´t know if I am a doctor or not.]What is heroic about reporting a crime with innocent and defenseless victims such as child pornography? It's a civil duty, and your melodramatic way of stating the obvious is mildly amusing. Also, pedophilia is a medical condition and not a crime. You are no doctor, so your opinion on a medical condition is worthless. |
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| I don't think looking at kids will make you a pedophile lmao. So I think attracting them is possible but not making |
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