So I'm a Spider, So What? (light novel)
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gaulby said: There are several hints already dropped throughout the currently released episodes, but pointing them out will lead to spoilers. Most of them are subtle hints but I can already name a few. More hints will likely be dropped moving forward then do another exposition episode like episode 9. This is episode 9. There was very little exposition in this one. In this one, they mostly advanced the plot |
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Pontus said: Rarkis said: Please, don’t take it in a bad way. It sure is annoying when people keep advising things that you absolutely have no intention of doing, but I’m sure their intentions are good for this series. In my opinion the anime ended up being much more a treat for LN readers than I’d ever expected. Not only because there’s only so much character development you can squeeze in 20 minutes and it hinders the show quite a bit, but also because of the little things they put in the anime that new fans have no way of knowing. You really don’t have to read the LN yet, but really, give it a go when possible. Chances are you’ll devour 10 volumes in a week. And then rewatch the anime, so you’ll understand what the fans are always giggling at. I will read the LN after the anime is done IF I like the anime well enough. Also I will stop reading these Episode forum discussion threads because it seems impossible to read more than 1-2 posts before I get some minor or even major spoilers. Not only that xD Also seems pretty hard to have a proper discussion, it is more like everyone want to voice their opinion but not truly discuss the episode proper. It was fun at first but now I feel it is just getting in my way more than being fun or interesting. No hard feelings I just feel that I will enjoy it more that way. I fully share your point, it is a bit unpleasant for me to read comments stating that when the anime only gives us clues about it, but does not affirm anything, it is fun to discuss a possibility, but when someone comes to affirm from a source like manga or LN it loses sense |
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LooselyCarrot said: So she’s in the dungeon 15 years before the boring human parts? Nobody is talking about this so was it revealed earlier? Ah clearly she pulled a slime isekai and got a human form in the future and is the demon lord, obviously. And don’t tell me a different spider left the nest, built a home, found a dragon egg, and had it taken back by humans. That was my vision too. The story takes place in two different times, one at the beginning of transmigration, where it shows only the life of the spider, and one 15 years later where it showed only the other students who came as humans, and now, in this episode, the 15-year-old spider later. |
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| The reveal that Kumokos side of the story takes place 15 years earlier was quite interesting, unless I missed it and it was revealed earlier. I wonder what is gonna be done with that. |
| There's hints already but now it's confirmed that Kumoko's side and the human/demon's side is happening at different times and to be exact it's 15 years assuming Kumoko hasn't been scraping for years already. Man, what a great fucking episode. So, Julius was wearing a scarf made from Kumoko's old home and Fei was that dragon egg at the beginning, holy shit that's so cool. Administrator D be fucking with Kumoko lmao. I really love the Demon Lord's design and from what we've seen so far, is she Kumoko? I don't know but Kumoko is definitely somewhere there probably. I also really need to start reading the LN. Looking forward to the next episode! |
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linkhuesitos said: swordmaster2551 said: Man those light novel covers at the bottom of the page are such spoilers I wouldn't pay too much attention to the covers. Remember this novel has a lot of POVs, the cover depends on which POV is the focus of each volume. Not Really a spoiler but I don't want to bloat the page size |
beast_regards said: It's a world running on a game logic of levels, stats, and skills. The ability to remove skills at will with no other check is an extremely big deal following the RPG logic. It's basically one of the most important in the overall logic of the story. This means they either should explain early on, or they should focus on it over other things to built up the mystery for later reveal. They did neither. You’re taking a lot of wrong assumptions for granted. Without spoiling too much I’ll say only that This is not the kinda story that reveals much from the beginning. Quite the opposite, it keeps expanding on previous information even on the latest volumes. ldanes said: when the anime only gives us clues about it, but does not affirm anything, it is fun to discuss a possibility, but when someone comes to affirm from a source like manga or LN it loses sense Take everything with a pinch of salt, there’s little stuff than can actually be spoiled on this series. Most are behind a bunch of layers of deception. I’d advise to give little credit to spoilers you see around here. I’ve seen more than just a couple of phony people “spoiling” stuff out of their asses with such confidence that I’d actually believe them if I didn’t know the truth. |
| I love seeing people confused when I get here after every episode. This show (at least in my mind) is extremely hard to animate since the story jumps all over the place + the skills and that. If that would be the reason that the score on this show is so low, I'm kind of dissappointed. Since that would just mean, people are too dumb to understand. But, I wasn't expecting high score anyway as I said earlier about the animation. Jump over to the LN after this season. |
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Rarkis said: You’re taking a lot of wrong assumptions for granted Why I shouldn't take it at face value as presented? And more importantly, why I shouldn't focus on this over everything else shown so far? Assuming I work with what anime has shown me so far without any external information from the novels. Or why no one focuses on this at all? I understand LN-readers, they are far ahead in the story, and know what was and wasn't important in the end, but why no one who watches the anime focuses on that? |
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| Eek and oof my limbs were chopped off!! Amputee spider to da rescue, twas funny asf with the whole translating skit now them nips got a taste of their own medicine kek. |
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| Finally, the long drawn out prologue is over. ..... I hope |
| Great episode. The mystery and the story kicks in to high gear this episode. They finally adapt the interlude which is hype because of how the demon war going forward. Mew characters appear, looks like demon generals and with the proper intro of the demon king. Which she showed how powerful she is. And that end credit scene. |
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| wow! the show is getting interetring! more chatacters! more unfolding events! and no crazy ED! 4/5. |
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| Must have been ages since Schlain seen his bro him being the hero and all. Its cute seeing Fei act so embarrassed. That rot attack though sure was shockingly effective. The prep by the two brains sure was funny especially their contrasting personalities. To think that he was speaking to a god though. The demon army commanders looks to be a pretty interesting bunch. Though the demon lord may have showed up unexpectedly her title really isn't just for show it seems. Looks like the demon's were indeed preparing for war though its unfortunate that their first strike was to kill Julius and his entire team. Overall an interesting ep that served to expand upon the world via the intro of the admin and the evil god while handing the role of hero to Schlain in the most painful way possible. |
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| I feel like Aoi Yuuki must been having so much voicing multiple Personality of Kumoko... Julius is dead for sure... Wait a minute so you saying Kumoko story and Human side of story wasn't happening in the same time??? Wtf 15 years ago Ahh i get it now so they all have been reincarnated at the same time but we following Kumoko POV from the beginning and the human side POV was 15 years later... Now it becomes more interesting.. the author just blown my mind, i like when the story doing something misleading like this... |
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beast_regards said: Why I shouldn't take it at face value as presented? And more importantly, why I shouldn't focus on this over everything else shown so far? I wouldn't say you're taking that particular piece of information at face value. Rather you connected some dots into a plausible but mistaken conclusion. You were so sure of that conclusion that you even dismissed when I pointed directly to you some dots you had missed. beast_regards said: Assuming I work with what anime has shown me so far without any external information from the novels. That's what I did here: But presenting it in another way... What did she use? Ruler privilegies. That's what she said. What are Ruler privilegies? We don't know exactly, but Kumoko had also acquired it with Pride and Perseverance (Which so happen to be one of the seven deadly sins and one of the seven divine virtues). So does Oka have one of the sins/virtues skills, then? There's no other indication, but since she is a Ruler, seems plausible. Is a Ruler the same as an Administrator? We don't know for sure, but is there a reason to believe it is? kumoko, a Ruler, was able to contact an Administrator, though. Was it necessary to contact an Administrator? We don't know, but seems plausible since what both of them ended up doing is apparently related. Wait, so Oka asked an Administrator to remove Hugo's skills? Maybe? We don't know. There's no indication that she did. Is there any limitation to this ability? We don't know. There's no reason to believe there is a limitation, but there's no reason to believe there isn't a limitation either. I'm sorry for pulling the "source material reader" card, and answering this last one, but you had dismissed what I'd said before. beast_regards said: Or why no one focuses on this at all? I understand LN-readers, they are far ahead in the story, and know what was and wasn't important in the end, but why no one who watches the anime focuses on that? Good question. My guess is that since you believed that the Oka = Administrator hypothesis to be a fact, that event had higher weight to you than to most commenters, but I agree there was more to be discussed there. |
| It's dumb that literally no is able to recognize "hm... demon forces are setting up near every military installation and place of strategic importance in the world... I think they are about to launch a simultaneous world wide invasion!". Seriously guys; this isn't hard. And don't give me the "the human kingdoms didn't know because the demons are using magic to hide themselves!" because there are a thousand different ways that the demon army's movements would be detected. You could have human mages using illusion magic to disguise themselves or familiars to infiltrate the demon armies. You could have mages using far sight or a palantir to see their movements from miles away (hell even a muggle using a scope would do). You could have telepathic people listening in on telepathic chatter, and even if they couldn't understand the language, they'd definitely know something is up. Or you could have mages searching for high levels of demonic energy, or whatever. Even muggles would see it coming, as I presume demons have to eat food. Which means that the demons have supply chains. Sorry guys, you just can't hide armies like that. I was rather disappointed that the big bro died. Shun didn't need to become "the hero who everyone will look up to and save the world". I thought it was pretty refreshing that he was the younger brother/second prince. Perhaps his brother would become king, while Shun would inherit a smaller territory, or marry into another kingdom, or something. Or become a minister working for his brother. Etc. |
Valyrian1124 said: It's dumb that literally no is able to recognize "hm... demon forces are setting up near every military installation and place of strategic importance in the world... I think they are about to launch a simultaneous world wide invasion!". Seriously guys; this isn't hard. And don't give me the "the human kingdoms didn't know because the demons are using magic to hide themselves!" because there are a thousand different ways that the demon army's movements would be detected. You could have human mages using illusion magic to disguise themselves or familiars to infiltrate the demon armies. You could have mages using far sight or a palantir to see their movements from miles away (hell even a muggle using a scope would do). You could have telepathic people listening in on telepathic chatter, and even if they couldn't understand the language, they'd definitely know something is up. Or you could have mages searching for high levels of demonic energy, or whatever. Even muggles would see it coming, as I presume demons have to eat food. Which means that the demons have supply chains. Sorry guys, you just can't hide armies like that. I was rather disappointed that the big bro died. Shun didn't need to become "the hero who everyone will look up to and save the world". I thought it was pretty refreshing that he was the younger brother/second prince. Perhaps his brother would become king, while Shun would inherit a smaller territory, or marry into another kingdom, or something. Or become a minister working for his brother. Etc. Ehhh Julius went to the Empire because the humans did notice the Demons moving their armies. The Rexandt Empire (Hugo's country) is the first line of Defense against the demon invasion.  |
Rarkis said: But presenting it in another way... What did she use? Ruler privilegies. That's what she said. What are Ruler privilegies? We don't know exactly, but Kumoko had also acquired it with Pride and Perseverance (Which so happen to be one of the seven deadly sins and one of the seven divine virtues). So does Oka have one of the sins/virtues skills, then? There's no other indication, but since she is a Ruler, seems plausible. Is a Ruler the same as an Administrator? We don't know for sure, but is there a reason to believe it is? kumoko, a Ruler, was able to contact an Administrator, though. Was it necessary to contact an Administrator? We don't know, but seems plausible since what both of them ended up doing is apparently related. Wait, so Oka asked an Administrator to remove Hugo's skills? Maybe? We don't know. There's no indication that she did. Is there any limitation to this ability? We don't know. There's no reason to believe there is a limitation, but there's no reason to believe there isn't a limitation either. So Light Novel doesn't have an answer either? So this is a Deus Ex Machina? Because I doubt there are only two "Rulers" in the world. I bet Demon Lord gets this for their trouble, and perhaps her Generals as well. Yet, despite Kumuko did ask for a new skill, she needed to kill her enemies in an old-fashioned way. The Hero needed to fight Nigtmare's Vestige in a conventional way too. And Demon Lord had to sacrifice an entire army just to kill one man. Their skills aren't explained, but so far, all of the tactics employed so far require creative use of skills to kill the enemy by wearing them down to zero. Actually, there was this armoured admin character in Demon Lord's chamber later on, which means they do know, and she (the demon lord) could try to ask them and wish the Hero away. No one did it. Only the teacher so far just wished skills away. |
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Thank you for explaining it to me. I still think anime should've explained this. But I assume they are ignoring this because my mindset is very unusual and they simply never assumed that someone would ask. |
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dejablu said: Rather than assuming nobody would ask, I think they just assumed nobody would assume the ability was unlimited when at least one limitation was shown during the fight itself (Sensei had to defeat Hugo with conventional wind magic first, then when he was down she had to directly touch him and recite a formula to activate her power: that's not something you can easily do to a significantly stronger opponent, or one fighting at range). We have no measure of how strong the teacher is. To kill the Hero, Julius, demons needed to sacrifice an entire army and we aren't sure if it worked. |
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Yeah, the Light Novels definitely have those answers. Those questions were meant to represent info already on the anime. linkhuesitos said: Don't know if he's just playing dumb to not spoil or her forgot but the Novel does answer those questions. I'm going to spoil tag each answer individually. I guess in a way I was unintentionally playing dumb. I was trying to explore hypothetical doubts from the perspective of an anime-only (some of those questions make absolutely no sense for a source reader). I was raising questions one could've had around Oka's powers and answering by exploring only info already on the anime. Why? to dispel the impression someone couldn't reach those conclusion without knowledge from the source material. I didn't make myself clear enough, and for that I'm sorry. I didn't mean to create more confusion. |
| I am definitely curious about the anime now and want to see all that "deconstruction" anime is supposed to do in the future. Sadly, it's going to be several months before we will get to 24 episodes. I am not going to remember all points anime I make now after a few months, and it could be what the show is aiming for with its confusing lack of focus - they expect us to forget we are owed the answers. I am considering making a blog about this xorion said: What?? Julius is dead. And at this point we have no idea what sort of battle it was; don't make up stuff that hasn't been shown. All we know about Oka at this point in the anime is that she is stronger than Hugo, and that she has the ability to remove skills in some manner. She hasn't been forgotten either. Well, we weren't shown the death, and not all anime dare to kill their named characters... We can however reasonably assume that they needed an army to kill them, as that's what discussion around the Demon Lord's meeting suggested, and it seems their higher-ups weren't going to join the battle personally. And considering how obsessive and controlling teacher is about keeping everyone down I assume Julius must be much weaker than her otherwise she would level him down too for having too many skills. |
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beast_regards said: To kill the Hero, Julius, demons needed to sacrifice an entire army and we aren't sure if it worked. Why are you assuming this was their objective? Sure it's interesting to kill the hero but a next one will take their place. There are many more things to gain from a war. Killing the hero is one of them? yep, but not necessarily the main reason. beast_regards said: And considering how obsessive and controlling teacher is about keeping everyone down I assume Julius must be much weaker than her otherwise she would level him down too for having too many skills. Not everyone, but her students. And she couldn't just take the skills of a prince without some serious consequences, just like the attempt to murder Shun was kept hidden to prevent a war. Was she stronger than Julius? hmm.. I don't remember their status but Julius definetly had more combat experience so he would most likely win a 1x1. She does need to touch him to erase his skills if I remember correctly. |
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Primo_Itoko said: Why are you assuming this was their objective? Sure it's interesting to kill the hero but a next one will take their place. There are many more things to gain from a war. Killing the hero is one of them? yep, but not necessarily the main reason. Yes. Demon Lord said "Sorry Yamata"... Yamata should be Shun's name from a previous life, she knew she ordered his brother's death. Killing Hero was certainly an objective. Even if [Hero] trait comes back, a new Hero doesn't necessarily get all the levels, which weakens the enemy until a new Hero is properly leveled up back again. Primo_Itoko said: Not everyone, but her students. And she couldn't just take the skills of a prince without some serious consequences, just like the attempt to murder Shun was kept hidden to prevent a war. Was she stronger than Julius? hmm.. I don't remember their status but Julius definetly had more combat experience so he would most likely win a 1x1. She does need to touch him to erase his skills if I remember correctly. I don't think we were ever shown Julius's or teacher's stats. However, Julius was still a swordfighter just like Hugo, and he required the support of the team to fight the monster spider, so simply stunning him may work. Or it may not, as [Hero] trait might have some resistances for explicitly this kind of scenario to prevent taking out Hero without combat. We will probably never know. She certainly can strip the skills out of Hugo with zero consequences, and he was reincarnated into the royal bloodline. |
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beast_regards said: Primo_Itoko said: Not everyone, but her students. And she couldn't just take the skills of a prince without some serious consequences, just like the attempt to murder Shun was kept hidden to prevent a war. Was she stronger than Julius? hmm.. I don't remember their status but Julius definetly had more combat experience so he would most likely win a 1x1. She does need to touch him to erase his skills if I remember correctly. I don't think we were ever shown Julius's or teacher's stats. However, Julius was still a swordfighter just like Hugo, and he required the support of the team to fight the monster spider, so simply stunning him may work. Or it may not, as [Hero] trait might have some resistances for explicitly this kind of scenario to prevent taking out Hero without combat. We will probably never know. She certainly can strip the skills out of Hugo with zero consequences, and he was reincarnated into the royal bloodline. Fair, but Hugo was the perpetrator so covering it up makes more sense, also, he met with that woman right after, this might have to do with why it didn't have any consequences. Not to mention that the title of Hero is special and it probably can only be taken by Administrators. I don't remember if it has those resistances though. But yeah, we'll never know for certain, still, Julius was really strong, Ruler privileges aside I think he's much stronger. And that spider monster was strong, Oka too would need a team to fight it. It's one evolution above the current Kumoko if I'm not mistaken. |
Primo_Itoko said: And that spider monster was strong, Oka too would need a team to fight it. It's one evolution above the current Kumoko if I'm not mistaken. I believe the spider was the other branch of the evolution tree Kumuko didn't take. Primo_Itoko said: Fair, but Hugo was the perpetrator so covering it up makes more sense, also, he met with that woman right after, this might have to do with why it didn't have any consequences. He has accomplices which are also gone now, and he possibly lost skills that represent his position. |
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beast_regards said: Primo_Itoko said: And that spider monster was strong, Oka too would need a team to fight it. It's one evolution above the current Kumoko if I'm not mistaken. I believe the spider was the other branch of the evolution tree Kumuko didn't take. Primo_Itoko said: Fair, but Hugo was the perpetrator so covering it up makes more sense, also, he met with that woman right after, this might have to do with why it didn't have any consequences. He has accomplices which are also gone now, and he possibly lost skills that represent his position. Ahh, I see what you're getting at. Skill are earned under certain conditions, as long as the requirements are met he can get it back, specially titles. But regardless of that, his social position is not affected, he still possess political power even if less than before, not because he lost the "skills" that represent it, but because he shamed his family's reputation. They wouldn't wage war against the elves when their son plotted something stupid and on top of that even failed miserably. |
Primo_Itoko said: Ahh, I see what you're getting at. Skill are earned under certain conditions, as long as the requirements are met he can get it back, specially titles. But regardless of that, his social position is not affected, he still possess political power even if less than before, not because he lost the "skills" that represent it, but because he shamed his family's reputation. They wouldn't wage war against the elves when their son plotted something stupid and on top of that even failed miserably. It's possible that Hugo could be simply disowned for being a disgrace to the family, but it can go other way around... If Elves are subjects to the Empire, for example, attacking the Prince is treason. If they are sovergein state, then it is different, and it depends how much power they have. Actually, a whole skill and level drain could be seen as attack on the legitimacy of the Emperor's bloodline. And this would mean war instead. Actually, for all the supposed worldbuilding human chapters are supposed to provide, we know nothing about the human countries and what relationship they have. There is no explanation why the teacher has so much power to boss around people who are basically noblemen and noblewomen. And why there is a school in the first place. If I was an Emperor, heir to my throne wouldn't be sent to some boarding school, he would have private tutors and bodyguards. |
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