Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 5 Discussion

BlakexEkalb said:


Please explain how the writing is bad, with actual examples.

Roowanx said:
Lol, I'm really not sure what you're talking about anymore. So your problem is that they didn't show Willy getting grabbed? Why does that matter? We literally see Eren throwing him into the air and then there's blood everywhere after that.

MoonDragon72 said:


Here's the first 3 examples that came to mind:
1. Most of the twists are so obvious. Of course the guy with the crutch that kid was talking to was Eren. Who else could it have been?
2. The exposition scenes go on for way too fucking long and most of them tell the audience shit that they already know.
3. I fucking hate where this show is going with this World War 2 thing. The first time I watched the basement reveals, back when I still liked this show, I thought at first that maybe this would be interesting, but the more I thought about it the more I realized that this entire series was just a really bad WWII fanfic and nothing more. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe something will happen later on that will click with me and I'll realize that I'm stupid and that this is the best anime since Spirited Away. I doubt it tho.

MoonDragon72 said:


Here's the first 3 examples that came to mind:
1. Most of the twists are so obvious. Of course the guy with the crutch that kid was talking to was Eren. Who else could it have been?
2. The exposition scenes go on for way too fucking long and most of them tell the audience shit that they already know.
3. I fucking hate where this show is going with this World War 2 thing. The first time I watched the basement reveals, back when I still liked this show, I thought at first that maybe this would be interesting, but the more I thought about it the more I realized that this entire series was just a really bad WWII fanfic and nothing more. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe something will happen later on that will click with me and I'll realize that I'm stupid and that this is the best anime since Spirited Away. I doubt it tho.

shingojira-chan said:

1. Who told you that was a plot twist ? We were supposed to know that it was Eren back in ep 3 . That was never supposed to be a plot twist so thats a wrong point .
2. I disagree , it was important for that scene where he reveals the truth . If he just said the truth , we would be really confused .
3. The whole WW2 thing is your problem . People LOVE the show for the same thing you hate . It isn't bad writing . You just didn't like where it went from the humans vs monster story .

zemx said:

oh wow you gave it "back when you liked it" a 1/10

Harsha1314 said:
wwwwwhhhhhhaaaaaatttt? people are complaining about that now?

Arin-san said:
Wait... the Attack Titan is not 3DCG like people were claiming it to be? Then it means that this adaption still has hope? I can't believe it. So this must also mean that Warhammer is gonna be 2D as well.

But yeah like some people said, a lot of off-model drawings in this episode. I kinda hyped this episode a bit too much, thinking it'll be the best one, sadly we'll have to wait another week.

Progyan said:
What do you mean that this adaptation still has hope. It's doing great so far.

MoonDragon72 said:


1. Ok, I guess you're right about that, but there are other twists throughout the series that were too obvious, like Eren turning into a titan or Annie being the female titan.
2. I'm not sure which scene you're refering to specifically.
3. Why exactly is this World War 2 alegory so great? Because to me, it just seems like the show jumped the shark.

raiderublaze said:
Wow this episode was fucking great! The tension and the dialogue was so heavy I am like at the edge of my seat the whole time. I finally got to learn the truth of why King Fritz retreated to Paradis, cos it was not clear for me back in the last season. Before the main meat, we see Armin for the first time this season, LET'S GO. Now I'm waiting for the others to come since it's about confirmed that Jean was the man with the newspaper at the end of the first episode.

Now seeing Falco got shunned by Eren is really sad, not worth it for the kid. And Reiner begging Eren to end him was just on point, after all he was the trigger of all this...speaking of Eren. OH MY DEAR LORD, EREN IS THE VILLAIN OF THE SEASON. Why, just why Eren? My boi you really seek the whole destruction of the world? Oh no...and the fact that he has the Founding Titan's powers is literally horrifying if you think about it. Willy Tybur is OOFed (maybe) and seeing a man just got crushed by a debris rock was almost a satisfying sight to see.

Tldr: THEY'RE ALL FUCKED, BECAUSE EREN IS HERE.

shingojira-chan said:
Lol Idc if you didn't like the first season . It was the worst season honestly . I am talking about this episode and this season . Back is season 1 the whole humans vs monsters genre was exiting to watch but writing wise it was nothing special . People really like shows which have politics in it . Ex : LOGTH . Even if people didn't like the first season , they would still like the final season because of the political side of it

Harsha1314 said:
I still don't understand the off model drawings complaint in all honesty

I_Am_Freeballing said:
Just because you fapped to YOUSEEBIGGIRL or the leaked OST too much doesn't mean the one used was bad. Mappa's OST choices in this ep were phenomenal. You wanting a different song is on you.

deg said:
Eren did nothing wrong starts now huh

and i did not see the suppose 3DCG cut of Attack Titan lol i guess there is none
but off-model drawings are a lot in this episode and the usual average to stiff animation
overall good enough
from the PV looks like the Warhammer Titan will be in 2D (but maybe for the transformation scene only)

EDIT:

subs are out and ok this is the 3DCG cut of Attack Titan then

Zprotu said:
Haha Willy Tybur was the first victim of his own war
Also, how do you know that was Armin. I've been debating this with a few of my friends and we can agree that this character does not share the same voice actor as Armin, not to mention is pretty much as tall as someone like Kenny

keragamming said:
@MoonDragon72

What exactly are you looking for in this series? I don't understand.

So you predict that Eren can turn into titan and also the female, I too predicted that and many fans predicted that, how does being able to predict something mean the anime is bad?

You love one piece, yet that is a very predictable series, most of its arc has the same narrative excluding a few and it goes the same path in all of them, but yet you love it.

But yet you still love it despite its predictability, so stop using predictability as something negative. And I'm not bashing one piece I love it, just pointing out your hypocrisy.

xAv_666 said:

What tf are u on about, the whole episode looked great!

MoonDragon72 said:


Just because I like something, and hate another thing despite that thing being slightly similar doesn't make me a hypocrite. One has better writing and character development than the other and that's it. This is like saying that I'm a hypocrite for loving Slayer and hating Five Finger Death Punch even though they're both metal bands.

keragamming said:


No, we are talking strictly about predictability and nothing else, you said predictability is bad basically, which I then pointed out you have no problem with the predictability when watching one piece.

You said it yourself, you love one piece so that gets a free pass when it comes to being predictable, which is the point I was making.

You said the series jump the shark, it can't jump the shark when this was all foreshadowed masterfully from season 1 to now.

You don't have to like the direction, but give credit where its due, the author did a perfect jump in making everything in the plot connect.

MoonDragon72 said:


Did he really? How exactly did he "masterfully" foreshadow this shit?

About the predictability, it's like I said, One Piece has much better writing and character development than AOT so when something predictable it's usually not a big deal. Even though I know I know Luffy will win in the end, it still keeps me engaged because Luffy and the rest of his crew (except Sanji, I don't really like him) are fun and interesting characters. There are a few decent characters in AOT like Armin, Erwin, and Sasha, but the only character that I really like is Historia. Her backstory made me feel sympathy for her and her relationship with Ymir is easily the best part of the series. Every other character tho I could care less about.

Selenehakz said:


You gave the last season a score of 1 then you’d expect to enjoy the final season’s content? Just drop it when you are not interested. And i agree with the other guy saying you are being hypocrite for saying predictability is bad but when it comes to your fav show, you keep defending its predictability. He’s not even saying which story is better written or more engaging yet you stated over and over again your fav show is better-written

NobitaSugoi said:
So, can someone tell me why some manga readers are mad at the episode? I am an anime only and after seeing people’s reaction,I checked out the manga and it seemed they more or less covered everything. I also thought the ending was good and seeing the reactions of anime onlies here, I am certainly not the only one haha.

RobinTheKing said:
Let's go baby! "Paradis Island attack begins now" *instantly gets crushed*.
This was great, for a second I thought the titan was going to be 2D, but later I saw some 3DCG.. Anyways, Eren is sick af now, long hair really fits him

MoonDragon72 said:


First of all, One Piece isn't my favorite. Second of all, the reason I'm still watching is because I want to give this season a chance because of how everyone loves it.

MoonDragon72 said:


First of all, One Piece isn't my favorite. Second of all, the reason I'm still watching is because I want to give this season a chance because of how everyone loves it.

NobitaSugoi said:
So, can someone tell me why some manga readers are mad at the episode? I am an anime only and after seeing people’s reaction,I checked out the manga and it seemed they more or less covered everything. I also thought the ending was good and seeing the reactions of anime onlies here, I am certainly not the only one haha.

keragamming said:


You know I wanted to private message you, because I felt we were going a bit off topic, wrote my reply and click send and it failed, as only your friends can private message you. Oh well.

"give this season a chance because of how everyone loves it."

Question, is there anything you like about this season so far?

kneesweak27 said:


here's my reason of why the OST used was not fitting the last scene, i copied this from my comment in other thread:

"because 2Volt has a heroic undertone behind it so definitely doesn't fit, especially when it was used on Levi vs Beast titan which definitely fits considering the Monke obliterated the Survey Corp and the hero Beyblade swoop in like a mf lol.

but that last moment on eps 5 was supposed to be tragic, and the music used has to amplify the feeling of terror, fear, or sadness. Considering civilians inside the building died, innocent lives.

maybe youseeBIGGIRL has a bombastic undertone behind it, fine then, so Vogel im kafig with faster tempo could maybe fit considering later parts of youseeBIGGIRL is literally an alternate version of Vogel im Kafig, it was used on the very first eps of AoT, how could it not fit considering it's a throw-back eps? (Colossal Titan breached the wall, created chaos = Founding/Attack Titan infiltrated Marley's Internment Zone, created chaos, both individuals have no choice, not even Reiner)"

don't mistaken criticism with toxicity, the ones who complained in a rude way are toxic but don't treat them the same as us who criticized with sound reasoning.

Selenehakz said:


You love one piece but it isnt your favorite? Alright... my bad if it really isnt your favorite. Let me ask you, there is one show that people praise it so much and i’ve been interested to see what the show is however after watching it i dislike it so much that I gave it a 1, will the newer season change my mind if I alr hated the previous build ups, twists, story direction, and overall contents? Depending on your answer, people can judge how hypocrite you are