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TheCloverfield said: Pretty great episode today! Personally prefer it over the first one. I've had no issue with the pacing, and even if I would have preferred having no cuts at all, what they cut was in no way indispensable to the arc. The arrangement, from an anime storytelling point of view also makes more sense to me. Moving from flashback to present to flashback again would have been quite weird. (Rip pieck ass but heh) On the technical side of things, this is most likely the most well animated dialogue episode of the franchise, which surprised me a lot. The episode has a very surprising amount of character acting and quite ambitious camera work for the most basic of things. Zeke, smoking a a cigarette and Colt walking up the stairs with the camera following their steps, the camera tracking Reiner's head as he wakes up, Zeke giving fucking coffee, Udo getting on edge and expressing his anger through his body language and Gabi doing the same but for her excitement. There's more but I'm too lazy to mention those so I made a little streamable video with some bits of movement from the episode I liked: VIDEO: You barely see these in AOT, especially in a pure dialogue episode which impressed me. Outside of movement, the art itself was also very good, especially in the first half. very strong AD work. I particularely love the lines on the clothing on those Marley uniform, and under the eyes. Reiner also looks the best he has ever looked. The shading, lighting work and expressions were also on point Props to Reiner's shots which look quite fantastic and very accurate to the emotions Isayama drawin in the manga. Never seen Reiner look this good. That Porco shot is also amazing The direction was very nice and I wish episode 1 was as well directed as this one. Daisuke Tokudo did a tremendous work and the episode has a LOT of atmosphere. That mini subplot of the Eldian killing himself overnight and his family and neighbours morning his death the next day, all taking place in the background was a super nice touch which added more tension and reminded us that the Liberio ghetto was far from a cozy place. The color work was also pretty nice and I enjoyed it for the most part. I also really loved the background art of this episode, the props, walls, houses ect were very well drawn and on part with what I expected from Kusanagi. Very good stuff. Another visual aspect that surprised me is the photography. I've seen dozens of complaints about it for last episode when I thought it was honestly innofensive. But in this episode, I found it honestly very good. Probably Asakawa's best work. With this episode's good direction, she succefully gave each scene a different atmosphere and it's very easy to distinct all the different moods of the episode by simply looking at how it looks. The photography helped making the drawings look very crisp and I really hope people watch this episode in high quality because this is how it deserves to be watched. I hope I wont be seeing terrible "no blur" edits that just slap a baffling over-done sharpen filter and saturation. So yeah, very satisfied with this episode. This and Bystander are probably my two favorite pure dialogue episodes, this one taking the cake visually-wise. Congrats to the team for pulling it off. I hope to see more of those and potentially even better for the future. I can't wait for the big action episodes! Nice to see people appreciative of the work Mappa've put in so far. I agree, this episode was excellent, a lot more visually engaging than I was expecting. Considering it was mostly an ep for dialogue it went by in a breeze. |
Funseco said: Horrible pacing. Episode felt rushed. I dont think anime-only understood who pieck was Too much information in a single episode. No time to introduce the new characters. Make up your mind is either the pacing was too fast or too slow. You first point out that the pacing is too fast which would imply that they are rushing/skipping content, then you complain about too much information, when they literally cut out some of the dialogue that can be cut out without hurting the plot and also basically summarizing some dialogue heavy scene instead of following them manga word for word so it would be more easier for anime only to follow. So my question is what did you actually want, did they need to cut more dialogue to condense the information more since "too much info is bad as as you said" but if they did that you would say its extra rush then, so I need clarification here. Because it seems like a lose lose situation either way for Mappa. @chiearlymorning @MironBiron Will just like to point out whether it is Wit Studio or Mappa we would get this said pacing because its the same script writer from previous season. So this pacing criticism has nothing to do with Mappa. In an alternate world where Wit is the one that is still animating this season I just have to wonder if these said people would be criticizing Wit studio this much. |
keragammingDec 13, 2020 4:20 PM
MironBiron said: 02. The warriors' return to Liberio could've been much grander. Omitting their walk through the city was a bad idea as the hateful glares of Marleyan citizens would have added a much needed, darker undertone to their victorious return. It was essentially a weird, twisted walk of shame in the manga. The directors made a much sweeter moment out of it (the slight feel good music wasn't helping either and neither did it help during the scene at the Middle-Eastern bay) by omitting the ugly details that took place before it and in doing that, the scene lost a lot of its tragic quality. Showing actual, detailed and inevitably sad overview shots of the internment district would've helped in setting the mood too, but we're dealing with a rushed adaptation here, and there sadly isn't much time/resources to pay attention to these things. I especially agree with this. That part is also very important to show the sad irony of discrimination towards Eldians. They are the ones who put their lives on the battlefield and the ones who provide their titans power, they are the very reason the people of Marley live in luxury and safety. And yet after returning from the hell of war for the benefit of the Marleyans that is the kind welcome they receive from the people who should be grateful. It should have been included, maybe by removing the OP or the ED for more episode time, given how important the theme of discrimination is in this story. |
keragamming said: @chiearlymorning @MironBiron Will just like to point out whether it is Wit Studio or Mappa we would get this said pacing because its the same script writer from previous season. So this pacing criticism has nothing to do with Mappa. In an alternate world where Wit is the one that is still animating this season I just have to wonder if these said people would be criticizing Wit studio this much. I didn’t mention MAPPA in my entire post, nor did @chiearlymorning |
Bababazooka69 said: Wait until miron comes and says "compositing sucks, layout sucks, direction sucks, lighting sucks wit was better" Man, you guys are really letting one dude live this rent free in your heads huh? 😂 |
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MironBiron said: keragamming said: @chiearlymorning @MironBiron Will just like to point out whether it is Wit Studio or Mappa we would get this said pacing because its the same script writer from previous season. So this pacing criticism has nothing to do with Mappa. In an alternate world where Wit is the one that is still animating this season I just have to wonder if these said people would be criticizing Wit studio this much. I didn’t mention MAPPA in my entire post, nor did @chiearlymorning I'm just pointing that out or making sure you guys are aware. This is just sad I wish these discussion were like previous were persons discuss the plot, now everyone is a anime expert pointing out all the tiny flaws in the season, but when it was wit despite their flaws we barely saw anyone pointing out these flaws. Just look at the discussion Majority of the conversation is about the technically aspects of the anime, most people are way too focus on that to give too shits about the story. I may have to lok look elsewhere maybe the more casual side when it comes to discussion because this side..... |
keragammingDec 13, 2020 4:41 PM
Bufftsuki said:  "there was one moron dumb enough to forget why he came to the bathroom.." what does reiner referents in that scene ? the man connie himself XD |
| I really like the fact that they kept the soundtrack from previous seasons |
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| I like the world building that we are getting right now, but what I find hard to make sense of is why the Eldians with the 9 titan powers are agreeing to help that shit country Marley that's abusing their people and treating them in sub-human ways. If they have the great powers of war in their hands for all those years, why tf wouldn't the Eldians just turn on them? It's one thing if they didn't have any power and were oppressed, but in this case they have the power and allow themselves to be oppressed. |
Sad7727 said: Look at this realistic animation guys,espeically when her dad held her! really felt like i was in a movie.  For me it was great too, but for others is bad and cringe, I think in couple of years all animes gonna look like this, also these camera perspective changes, emotions really looks better done like this, show feel more "alive". |
| Yeah Zeke still didn't know his mother was descendants of Ymir Fritz As i expected, Pieck was Cart Titan 😄 My Prediction was correct... Reiner see himself in Falco and their group... Tybur family have the Warhammer Titan... That guy in the photo, we saw him on the Trailer... Must be someone important.. I wonder why they are so special and didn't join the war |
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Sad7727 said: Look at this realistic animation guys,espeically when her dad held her! really felt like i was in a movie. Yes, this is different and not just still image and mouth moving... I like it |
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| Peicks voice is surprising. I expected her to sound older. |
| Cmon AoT bruh, don't make me fall asleep bruh. 2/5 |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| Man they are really laying it on thick with the Nazi regime references xD The salute, the armbands, the Eldian ghettos, the "race of devils" talks... On the one hand, it means we don't need a lot of info to understand the situation in Marley, just one look at those details and you understand the whole dynamic without needing any explanation (to those who feel the introduction to Marley feels rushed, this is why I disagree) On the other hand, I'm not sure they're doing themselves a favour by creating a world so close to real life, it's actually breaking the fourth wall for me a lot more than I think they intended... If they keep pushing that direction, it's going to end up feeling silly rather than serious, mixing Nazis with titans (kinda like Nazi vampires in Hellsing, although that was silly on purpose xD) I'll have to wait and see, maybe it's just a way to get information to us quickly so they can move on to our main storyline |
| i really like this episode, a chill, funny and plot based episode, we got to know a bit more about the new characters and how this "world" operates it looks like the eldeans are constantly being followed, dont know about that. i really loved the 2d and the animation overall, i left this episode with a great feeling. 8/10 |
| I enjoyed a more detailed aspect from the side of Marley. They have their reasons for wanting revenge and are justified. Also the new characters are already starting to grow on me. 5/5 |
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| Although it was more dialogue-heavy, I still enjoyed this episode more than the previous one. Going from the PTSD "Boom!" from the General to Gabi's "Boom!" in the Braun household was just masterful direction. They're really setting up this season fantastically. Reiner trying to paint a picture of the "island devils" only to fail miserably and sound more like he's reminiscing about old friends was also beautifully done, and underlines just how conflicted an individual he's become as he's realised years of Marleyan brainwashing were completely false. The people on the island were just like those in the internment camps with families, loved ones, and personalities of their own : good or bad. From the preview of the next episode, I'm assuming they'll cover some of the Reiner flashbacks in the next episode as one entire segment as opposed to going back and forth like they did in the manga, which would make sense. The only slight nit picks would be the artistic choices on the animation scenes between Reiner and the 4 young cadets outside, which I wasn't a huge fan of, but it's still not bad. The OST is understated and used sparingly in this episode, but it only serves to highlight the brilliant job the VA's are doing and fits the darker, grittier tone that they are going for this season. Bloody loved this episode. |
dzew said: the op is creppily nice, very cool great episode, we got some recap, how reiner changed, new interesting info. Good build up for what is to come. i'm pretty hyped also, is that girl the cart titan? yes or no?, if the answer is a spoiler don't tell me It's already confirmed that Pieck is the Cart Titan. |
| The best scene from this chapter what the flashback of season 3, animated by WIT. Mappa relies too much on CG and overuses 2D acting on irrelevant scenes. Who is in charge of the budget in this series?? I really hope the quality of animation will get better, those camera movements made me dizzy. |
ReegrezSNK said: Sad7727 said: Look at this realistic animation guys,espeically when her dad held her! really felt like i was in a movie. For me it was great too, but for others is bad and cringe, I think in couple of years all animes gonna look like this, also these camera perspective changes, emotions really looks better done like this, show feel more "alive". I honestly don't see the issue with at all, and I've seen it a few times now. It seems they've sacrificed some frames for some more character detail and expression. |
keragamming said: Make up your mind is either the pacing was too fast or too slow. You first point out that the pacing is too fast which would imply that they are rushing/skipping content, then you complain about too much information, when they literally cut out some of the dialogue that can be cut out without hurting the plot and also basically summarizing some dialogue heavy scene instead of following them manga word for word so it would be more easier for anime only to follow. So my question is what did you actually want, did they need to cut more dialogue to condense the information more since "too much info is bad as as you said" but if they did that you would say its extra rush then, so I need clarification here. Because it seems like a lose lose situation either way for Mappa. Will just like to point out whether it is Wit Studio or Mappa we would get this said pacing because its the same script writer from previous season. So this pacing criticism has nothing to do with Mappa. In an alternate world where Wit is the one that is still animating this season I just have to wonder if these said people would be criticizing Wit studio this much. I am not criticizing a studio. I am giving my opinion of this episode. And I will also be here to give positive comments if I like a episode. If you see my comment history, I also criticised episode 8 and 9 of season 3 part 2 regarding "grisha backstory".I insulted Wit studio back then. The same critics. But this one was even worse. Not only they cut important parts, they also rushed everything. At least WIT had good pacing. My point is that they are trying to fit too much content in a single episode. Its so much content that they even need to cut some of it. So yes, the episode can feel rushed and still have lots of informations. |
| This was a great episode too, we got to learn about the politics of the Marleyans and we got see more of our titan shifters. And seems like the Tybur family will be introduced soon, fun :D |
| Amazing directing for this episode. Camera-work was superb plus the selection of music to use was terrific. The best dialogue heavy episode of the whole series. Stay strong, Reiner! |
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| We see the Chad. My body is ready. MAPPA didn't disappoint |
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| Seeing Reiner telling his past from Paradise Island was terrifying. Seriously. When Reiner had that dream of Mikasa and Zeke was talking about Eren, I was so excited my Heart skipped a beat :P lol Looks like No Action in episode 3 either but I'm gonna wait patiently. |
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| Now I'm curious about the secret of Zeke's ass lol |
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| cmon bruh, life is too rough to get enough sleep bruh xD |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Selenehakz said: Cmon bruh, I don't care about action bruh. But it is still my favorite aspect of AoT bruh, since I really don't like the writing and the characters xD.AOT is much more than action anime... if you only watch AOT for the action then you are so gonna lost in its lore and message |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| The rotoscoping looked pretty bad. The fact that it's only episode 2 and MAPPA is already having to resort to this is worrying. Aside from that though it was a pretty good episode, we got some nice development for the new characters and world building. |
| "Otaku search for patterns within data presented and draw conclusions. Anime fans only see clones and copies." -artificialnightsky |
Manga readers didn't like this direction too, luckily for you, you don't have to wait an entire month for a new chapter, plus I assure you, it will pay off. It f***ing will! cchigu said: Selenehakz said: Cmon bruh, I don't care about action bruh. But it is still my favorite aspect of AoT bruh, since I really don't like the writing and the characters xD.AOT is much more than action anime... if you only watch AOT for the action then you are so gonna lost in its lore and message If you don't give too shits about anything about the writing take a break because you wont be seeing any action until like episode 6 lmao. _akira_devilman_ said: Kinda bummed they ignored the whole Reiner backstory..also when Reiner was recalling his memories of Paradis the characters he mentioned should've been showed in the background like in manga smh If you are a manga reader, there is no harm in watching the preview for the next episode because if you had did that, you would have seen that it will be in the next episode. The scenes are being rearrange. |
keragammingDec 13, 2020 6:33 PM
| Like any other AoT routine, commence 3 episodes of nothing happening! |
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cchigu said: You should probably stop watching then since this season wouldn't really focus on fights like the first season did .Selenehakz said: Cmon bruh, I don't care about action bruh. But it is still my favorite aspect of AoT bruh, since I really don't like the writing and the characters xD.AOT is much more than action anime... if you only watch AOT for the action then you are so gonna lost in its lore and message |
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shingojira-chan said: Cmon bruh, I can't stop watching anything in middle. It ain't cool bruh.cchigu said: You should probably stop watching then since this season wouldn't really focus on fights like the first season did .Cmon bruh, I don't care about action bruh. But it is still my favorite aspect of AoT bruh, since I really don't like the writing and the characters xD. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| This episode was definitely one of the calmest in SnK but now we know what is happening in the world. I do wonder if most Eldians are as brainwashed as those kids and Reiner... Only one can save them ;) But i do guess now why Gabi will be hated in the future. The calm before the storm, the calmer the episodes we will see the bigger the storm will get. What intrigues me the most is those captain's words, "except that one sentence that Zeke said". I do wonder what he meant by that...but i guess it won't take long before we find out. I also thought that was weird how "scary" Reiners story was supposed to be...somethings fishy here. |
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| The world building is insanely good. |
| did someone notice? when the character moving / walking... is it laggy? its seems very not smooth... but currently (eps2) i still enjoy the story... hope it will be better in the next battle scene |
kidssDec 13, 2020 6:57 PM
AivanK said: Yeah, it's good that some people noticed this episode is so suspiciously calm.The calm before the storm, the calmer the episodes we will see the bigger the storm will get. What intrigues me the most is those captain's words, "except that one sentence that Zeke said". I do wonder what he meant by that...but i guess it won't take long before we find out. It's what reiterated by Reiner, "There is no Marleyan here in this room, huh?" |
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Skjilani said: Cmon bruh, I am not judging shit, but you indeed are, even if you haven't even watched the show xD Fairy Tail is shit, and yet I love it. cchigu said: Cmon bruh, I can't stop watching anything in middle. It ain't cool bruh. The person who like fairy tale is judging aot lol XD Cmon bruh, why you gotta be like that bruh? Do you actually think that you have a better taste or something, bruh? Bruh, People have very different tastes, you gotta learn to accept that bruh. No anime is objectively better than rest, except Sangatsu obviously xD |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Swag_Akatsuki said: I can assure you, there is no one named Eren in this episode. Perhaps the people are talking about Grandpa and Grandma Yeager whom we see briefly when they greet Zeke and the Eldian warriors' homecoming in Liberio. CeddyyBearr said: Pieck is cute and interesting, honestly loved how she was laying on that couch during that meeting. Seems the Anime now mentioned that it was 4 years since Zeke's defeat by Levi, eventho someone was kind enough to answer me last week. Loving this mature and older Reiner. The way he described all the guys on the island was pretty funny, but its interesting to see how the people there view everyone on that island. Everyone saying about spotting Eren, rewatched it and yeah spotted him second time around. Where did you see him? Which timestamp? Was it the guy with one leg? |
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