Deago said: What would be your reasoning for assuming that fake scores should have a non-uniform distribution as opposed to how they are usually modeled, as homoscedastic noise? Why do you assume one peak is fake as opposed to another, or that there should only be two peaks?katsucats said: You have no idea what you're talking about. In statistics, we say a sample is biased if the mean deviates from 0. An individual cannot be biased according to statistics. The "bias" in an individual comes from subjectivity, which has nothing to do with the statistical definition of bias. Since we're all part of the overall population, we're all random variables of that distribution. Distributions are, by definition, random, meaning there's a range of values, so it makes no sense to call an RV of a certain distribution "biased" with respect to that distribution. Secondly, it's highly questionable to consider popular opinion "the critical claim", as if popularity makes quality. I don't think I even have to refute that. We may deduce from the selected sample "the voters" that there's an external force (bias) deviated from the mean, creating a bimodal-like distribution with two peaks. This force here is a group of people with potentially biased or ingenuine score. Deago said: Out of what? How do you decide the cutoff for what you call "High Popularity" as opposed to "Low Popularity"?Popularty = number of people who have seen the anime. Deago said: Is this the mean rating, or something else?General opinion = the opinion about the anime, positive or negative. |
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katsucats said: Deago said: What would be your reasoning for assuming that fake scores should have a non-uniform distribution as opposed to how they are usually modeled, as homoscedastic noise? Why do you assume one peak is fake as opposed to another, or that there should only be two peaks?We may deduce from the selected sample "the voters" that there's an external force (bias) deviated from the mean, creating a bimodal-like distribution with two peaks. This force here is a group of people with potentially biased or ingenuine score. Deago said: Out of what? How do you decide the cutoff for what you call "High Popularity" as opposed to "Low Popularity"? Popularty = number of people who have seen the anime. https://myanimelist.net/anime.php?cat=0&q=&type=0&score=0&status=0&p=0&r=0&sm=0&sd=0&sy=0&em=0&ed=0&ey=0&c%5B0%5D=f&gx=1&genre%5B0%5D=12&genre%5B1%5D=33&genre%5B2%5D=34&o=7&w=1&show=15950 Currently, there's 320 pages, each page include 50 title, 320x50= 16000 anime excluding hentai. By taking the median from every 20 pages Now we make a line chart  Notice how popularity rockets starting from page 39. We can assume any anime from page 1-19 is "popular" , or minimum requirement popular anime in MAL is about 140k members. EDIT* I think I can refine that chart by doubling the data and get a much better approximation of where the rocketing is, I may do that later, but I hope you get the idea. EDIT** chart is refined Is this the mean rating? Yes |
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bakahelen said: So there are people who create fake accounts with the intention of getting Attack on Titan final season surpass at least Legend of the Galactic Heroes by scoring AoT fs with 10 and LoGH with 1? Why is that so important to them? I don't care, that's not really the topic here, but the goal here is to identify their existence via histogram observations. Their scores contribute to this "bias", and usually contribute less to the either of the demonstration of the positive and negative reception of the anime. |
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| Don't wipe the chalkboard yet I'm still copying it down. Actually a pretty good post with nice explanations. Though it would be nice seeing how users of other anime database sites do their ratings seeing how almost every MAL user only uses the "5-to-10-scale" which horribly skews the ratings to big numbers. Which is interesting in and of itself because if you were willing to watch the entirety of a show you likely liked it and were going to give it a high score in the first place just for completing it. |
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raisin-kun said: Don't wipe the chalkboard yet I'm still copying it down. Actually a pretty good post with nice explanations. Though it would be nice seeing how users of other anime database sites do their ratings seeing how almost every MAL user only uses the "5-to-10-scale" which horribly skews the ratings to big numbers. Which is interesting in and of itself because if you were willing to watch the entirety of a show you likely liked it and were going to give it a high score in the first place just for completing it. I think this only makes the differences between anime "weighted scores" less distinguishable between each others and clustered around 10-7. It also makes a score of 7.5 less "powerfull" than other websites, say AniDB, the equivalent score there, is around 6 maybe. |
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| Surprised to know that Detective Conan is considered a "critically bad" anime by the majority.... |
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| If Detective Conan is critically bad then I'm proud to be biased. I do understand what you are saying but it really doesn't specify how biased a person is.Also most people here use 5-10 rating which bloats a lot of scores.I did like your explanations.But I'm not some maths nerd who can verify this.Still a post that has some effort. |
sonofbatmanrp13Dec 8, 2020 7:50 AM
bakahelen said: So there are people who create fake accounts with the intention of getting Attack on Titan final season surpass at least Legend of the Galactic Heroes by scoring AoT fs with 10 and LoGH with 1? Why is that so important to them? Not sure, a few years back if i remember it was Kimi no Nawa,fmab, hunterxhunter and lotgh in the top 4. Which all 4 deserve as being complete stories unto themselves where as the stand alone seasons of aot are good but faulted as they aren't complete. Hopefully time will average the ratings out, if any of those same people who downrate shows actually see them and consider those factors... Props to the creator of this thread 👏 Lots of work |
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sonofbatmanrp13 said: If Detective Conan is critically bad then I'm proud to be biased. Out of topic but The whole anime was built on the first episode which was a huge mess, |
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Deago said: Yes.If you are gonna judge the show is brain-dead from the first episode alone.Then I'm proud to be biased.sonofbatmanrp13 said: If Detective Conan is critically bad then I'm proud to be biased. Out of topic but The whole anime was built on the first episode which was a huge mess, But to rule out 1000 episodes because of some 5 mins.Then I'm really proud to be a fanboi and biased. |
sonofbatmanrp13 said: Yes.If you are gonna judge the show is brain-dead from the first episode alone.Then I'm proud to be biased. But to rule out 1000 episodes because of some 5 mins.Then I'm really proud to be a fanboi and biased. Even though most Detective Conan episodes are episodics, many watch it for the main plot. 1st epsode was the base for the main plot, having a bad base for a story is a major flaw, especially for a "smart" crime mystery police story. You haven't even scored it 10, why are you saying you're biased? according to the histogram observation, your score doesn't contribute to the "bias". |
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Imaishi said: Statistics bias has nothing to do with individual people being biased (as in prejudiced or unfair, which also has negative connotations). These are different terms. An opinion can't be accurately boiled down to a number and shouldn't be expected to behave like actual measurable values do. There is no inherent objective value to any particular show so it's silly to claim that ratings can be unhealthy or unfair. That is not to say that all these ratings are not biased because there certainly are cases of people creating extra accounts or rating lower than they would just to spite others if they dislike the fans. But I also believe it happens naturally. There can be certain things that people feel strongly about one way or the other and the ratings end up being divisive. Or some small detail mattering a lot to a group and heavily changing their opnion (i.e. pairings, death of particular characters) while not mattering much to others. Those things don't mean that individuals are biased or unfair. Similarly, if ratings of an individual are not distributed normally, I wouldn't deduce that a person is being biased in the way he scores. If there's bias, I would think it happens at the moment of deciding what to watch (and i don't think it's something bad that should be avoided) It does actually indicate information about how MAL community feel about a certain anime, whether there's a large group who "hate" or "rave" about that particular anime, to the point it defies the mean score (the general opinion) or (the majority's score). If not to individual level, then it does to mass level, the "external force" that tries to create another mean far away from the current mean. Chro0oIsAWeeb said: This is true but if you were an "objective" anime reviewer on this site I can't take you seriously Bias is unavoidable, but can be minimised. |
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Deago said: If someone is watching.Detective conan for the main plot then they are clearly watching in the wrong way.The main plot progresses at the rate of 10 episodes per 100 episodes.Do they skip those 90 episodes coz it has nothing to do with the main plot and by definition are fillers?The selling point of the series are the open and shut cases.It isn't like conan uses random bs to give deductions.sonofbatmanrp13 said: Yes.If you are gonna judge the show is brain-dead from the first episode alone.Then I'm proud to be biased. But to rule out 1000 episodes because of some 5 mins.Then I'm really proud to be a fanboi and biased. Even though most Detective Conan episodes are episodics, many watch it for the main plot. 1st epsode was the base for the main plot, having a bad base for a story is a major flaw, especially for a "smart" crime mystery police story. You haven't even scored it 10, why are you saying you're biased? according to the histogram observation, your score doesn't contribute to the "bias". It comes of a bit contrived but it doesn't ruin the experience of an entire series.If you think a single 5 min scene is a major flaw and ruins the entirety of 1000 episode long show then I'm pretty sure all anime are critically flawed. I didn't rate it 10 because it has it's own share of problems.If you want I can elaborate on it.I'm not mad because you called one of my favourites bad.I'm annoyed by your generalisation that a show is critically bad just by one scene.And the people who rate it high are fanbois without justification.You yourself come up as one of those haters because your reasoning is really petty. I'm actually happy that someone put effort in their thread.Instead of asking what's your overrated or underrated.Yes.You provided statistics but the examples you have chosen are biased in the first place.Can you elaborate why the examples you have chosen are not biased?Why the shows you have chosen aren't personal bias? |
sonofbatmanrp13 said: Deago said: If someone is watching.Detective conan for the main plot then they are clearly watching in the wrong way.The main plot progresses at the rate of 10 episodes per 100 episodes.Do they skip those 90 episodes coz it has nothing to do with the main plot and by definition are fillers?The selling point of the series are the open and shut cases.It isn't like conan uses random bs to give deductions.Even though most Detective Conan episodes are episodics, many watch it for the main plot. 1st epsode was the base for the main plot, having a bad base for a story is a major flaw, especially for a "smart" crime mystery police story. You haven't even scored it 10, why are you saying you're biased? according to the histogram observation, your score doesn't contribute to the "bias". It comes of a bit contrived but it doesn't ruin the experience of an entire series.If you think a single 5 min scene is a major flaw and ruins the entirety of 1000 episode long show then I'm pretty sure all anime are critically flawed. I didn't rate it 10 because it has it's own share of problems.If you want I can elaborate on it.I'm not mad because you called one of my favourites bad.I'm annoyed by your generalisation that a show is critically bad just by one scene.And the people who rate it high are fanbois without justification.You yourself come up as one of those haters because your reasoning is really petty. I'm actually happy that someone put effort in their thread.Instead of asking what's your overrated or underrated.Yes.You provided statistics but the examples you have chosen are biased in the first place.Can you elaborate why the examples you have chosen are not biased?Why the shows you have chosen aren't personal bias? I don't know, many of the DC fans I know feel it is mundane when it drags so much with episodic episodes. I know many. And I also have many other "brain dead" examples to criticise DC in later episodes, and other episodic episodes. I just dislike it when an anime establish themselves to be intelligent, and a mystery crime solving, when at the same time, many stupid decisions are made by the so-called smart criminal or detectives. I've had enough DC discussions with my acquaintances, I am not up to more at the moment. Anyway, The I had chosen my examples randomly, except for SAO, LOGH, AOT, Monster, DBZ and Fairy Tail. Lucifrost said: Interestingly, I struggle to find ANY examples of bias on vndb. Wonderful Everyday has the largest negative bias I can find. https://vndb.org/v3144 I didn’t check erogamescape. That's really interesting to know. |
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simon443 said: I do admit it, I'm a lot biased. But I do think my scores well, I did give to 2 critically acclaimed anime but not just because they were popular, there were elements that convinced me to give them the lowest possible score. Same thing with high scored anime that are critically bad, I'd say many are biased but with a reasoning behind like me. I also have a negative bias score (according to the histogram) against critically acclaimed anime, I disliked Princess Nausicaa movie, I had zero enjoyment, characters didn't feel alive to me and the protagonist was a mary sue. It usually stems from 10/10 or 1/10 scores, which are usually the farest from the mean. |
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sonofbatmanrp13 said: And the people who rate it high are fanbois without justification. I don’t think he meant to say the high ratings all come from unjustified fanboys. It’s only the 10s that come from fanboys, meaning 9 is a reasonable score. It does sound confrontational, but I agree with the idea that even great anime receive more praise than they deserve from biased fans. |
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Deago said: When you have 1000 episodes and about 600 cases.Some episodes are bound to be duds.And it's the absolute reason why I haven't given a perfect 10.Some motives are really dumb.They never justify the act of murder.He ruined mine garden,I'm tired of it's tap dance,he insulted me infront of colleagues etc.etc.sonofbatmanrp13 said: If someone is watching.Detective conan for the main plot then they are clearly watching in the wrong way.The main plot progresses at the rate of 10 episodes per 100 episodes.Do they skip those 90 episodes coz it has nothing to do with the main plot and by definition are fillers?The selling point of the series are the open and shut cases.It isn't like conan uses random bs to give deductions. It comes of a bit contrived but it doesn't ruin the experience of an entire series.If you think a single 5 min scene is a major flaw and ruins the entirety of 1000 episode long show then I'm pretty sure all anime are critically flawed. I didn't rate it 10 because it has it's own share of problems.If you want I can elaborate on it.I'm not mad because you called one of my favourites bad.I'm annoyed by your generalisation that a show is critically bad just by one scene.And the people who rate it high are fanbois without justification.You yourself come up as one of those haters because your reasoning is really petty. I'm actually happy that someone put effort in their thread.Instead of asking what's your overrated or underrated.Yes.You provided statistics but the examples you have chosen are biased in the first place.Can you elaborate why the examples you have chosen are not biased?Why the shows you have chosen aren't personal bias? I don't know, many of the DC fans I know feel it is mundane when it drags so much with episodic episodes. I know many. And I also have many other "brain dead" examples to criticise DC in later episodes, and other episodic episodes. I just dislike it when an anime establish themselves to be intelligent, and a mystery crime solving, when at the same time, many stupid decisions are made by the so-called smart criminal or detectives. I've had enough DC discussions with my acquaintances, I am not up to more at the moment. Anyway, The I had chosen my examples randomly, except for SAO, LOGH, AOT, Monster, DBZ and Fairy Tail. And it's the cases with the most of anime original episodes The mangaka has no sway over it. You might say the MPD detectives are completely useless.But they do their job.It's just Conan outshines them.They have their own moments when given focus. And if you are gonna say,"Huh conan has 1000 IQ and still takes some really dumb decisions."At the end of the day he's a 17 y/o through and through and admits his mistakes And why do you think people acting dumb in a detective series is inherently bad.Just because it's a detective series doesn't mean every characters would have 200 IQ. The smart criminals would always make mistakes.How are you supposed to trace back the criminals if they commit no mistakes.It would be a perfect crime? You label other as fanbois because they rate a show you yourself alone consider to be critically panned.And you provide a statistical reports which literally explains nothing. And call others haters when they rate a critically acclaimed show that you chose as low. What makes you think a show is critically panned or acclaimed?You are providing stats from data collected from all users. But to decide bias you chose on your subjective choice.Your own bias. And your entire argument for detective conan being critically panned is because you didn't like it.What makes you a critic?why do you have the authority? It isn't like Rotten Tomatoes where you can seperate the so called "critics" from general audience. Isn't the mean score itself a majority opinion?.You are just contradicting yourself Just like you have your so called reasons to call DC critically panned.I'm sure the people rating MONSTER & LOTGH as one must have their so called reasons which they don't want to disclose.They must be tired by discussing the series with others for a million of times. Can't believe I wasted 2 hrs on something this pointless.Yes.You can call me a massive fanboi who resorts to strawman arguments.I'm really proud to be biased and a fanboi. |
sonofbatmanrp13Dec 8, 2020 10:01 AM
Lucifrost said: I have a problem with his method of selection.He provides his positive or negative bias by giving an anime the title of critically panned or critically acclaimed.sonofbatmanrp13 said: And the people who rate it high are fanbois without justification. I don’t think he meant to say the high ratings all come from unjustified fanboys. It’s only the 10s that come from fanboys, meaning 9 is a reasonable score. It does sound confrontational, but I agree with the idea that even great anime receive more praise than they deserve from biased fans. He himself states that a show is critically.acclaimed or panned is decided on a majority opinion.What's tha majority opinion here?The mean scores are already indicating majority opinions. Let's take DBZ for example. If DBZ is rated above 8.It because a majority thought it was good.How can he justify that majority thinks it's critically panned?Who are the critics here?If majority are critics they are contradicting themselves.It's like a loop which never ends. It's quite clear here OP used his own subjectivity to justify the quality of the show. I am totally getting what you are saying.Some shows are rated higher because of fanbois.But here OP doesn't give a clear justification.How do you know they are fanbois?Can't normal people rate it higher because they actually thought the show is a masterpiece. How do you know they are boosters and not actual fans? I'm well aware of the bot problems.I'm aware of boosters and downvoters and how they influence the top 10.I'm just not convinced by OP's justification. OP should clearly give justification on what basis he decided a show to be bad or good. |
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| Biased is a horrible part of an elitist anime fan. We casuals or more less mortals, doesnt attain their intellect of how they judged anime by being a jerk or condescending. And that is nice statistics, it shows how undeserved and deserved some shows being biased on. |
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Deago said: Gin and Vodka had many ways to kill Shinichi without alarming the police, they could've just beaten him to death with the metal pipe, or simply break his neck. But they have some instruction from the higher ups...main point being the search for the "Silver Bullet"...whatever or whoever this is. So you don't like Detective Conan and that makes it failure in the eyes of the critics? How biased is that? |
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sonofbatmanrp13 said: Lucifrost said: I have a problem with his method of selection.He provides his positive or negative bias by giving an anime the title of critically panned or critically acclaimed.I don’t think he meant to say the high ratings all come from unjustified fanboys. It’s only the 10s that come from fanboys, meaning 9 is a reasonable score. It does sound confrontational, but I agree with the idea that even great anime receive more praise than they deserve from biased fans. He himself states that a show is critically.acclaimed or panned is decided on a majority opinion.What's tha majority opinion here?The mean scores are already indicating majority opinions. Let's take DBZ for example. If DBZ is rated above 8.It because a majority thought it was good.How can he justify that majority thinks it's critically panned?Who are the critics here?If majority are critics they are contradicting themselves.It's like a loop which never ends. It's quite clear here OP used his own subjectivity to justify the quality of the show. I am totally getting what you are saying.Some shows are rated higher because of fanbois.But here OP doesn't give a clear justification.How do you know they are fanbois?Can't normal people rate it higher because they actually thought the show is a masterpiece. How do you know they are boosters and not actual fans? I'm well aware of the bot problems.I'm aware of boosters and downvoters and how they influence the top 10.I'm just not convinced by OP's justification. OP should clearly give justification on what basis he decided a show to be bad or good. Well, I never said my justification of those anime with similar pattern being critically bad is objective, it is open to argument. But the "biased scores" sure influence the mean score, HOWEVER, their influence has a different approach and pattern. When there are less scores of 9 than 10 and 9, this indicates "external force" coming from 10 scores. When there are less score of 2 than 3 and 1, this indicates "externam force" coming from 1 scores. Both these trend may indicate a maniuplation attempt of the mean score, from both sides, shows receiving "unfair" 1 vots, and shows reviving "unfair" 10 votes. This "unfairness" is up to your interpretation whether you consider it bias or not bias. My personal interpretation of DBZ's histogram is that it is rated unfairly high beecause of many 10 scores are usually biased. |
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Deago said: You mean people can't rate a show 10 if the next majority vote is a 8/7.If it's the case then the show has fanboism effect.sonofbatmanrp13 said: I have a problem with his method of selection.He provides his positive or negative bias by giving an anime the title of critically panned or critically acclaimed. He himself states that a show is critically.acclaimed or panned is decided on a majority opinion.What's tha majority opinion here?The mean scores are already indicating majority opinions. Let's take DBZ for example. If DBZ is rated above 8.It because a majority thought it was good.How can he justify that majority thinks it's critically panned?Who are the critics here?If majority are critics they are contradicting themselves.It's like a loop which never ends. It's quite clear here OP used his own subjectivity to justify the quality of the show. I am totally getting what you are saying.Some shows are rated higher because of fanbois.But here OP doesn't give a clear justification.How do you know they are fanbois?Can't normal people rate it higher because they actually thought the show is a masterpiece. How do you know they are boosters and not actual fans? I'm well aware of the bot problems.I'm aware of boosters and downvoters and how they influence the top 10.I'm just not convinced by OP's justification. OP should clearly give justification on what basis he decided a show to be bad or good. Well, I never said my justification of those anime with similar pattern being critically bad is objective, it is open to argument. But the "biased scores" sure influence the mean score, HOWEVER, their influence has a different approach and pattern. When there are less scores of 9 than 10 and 9, this indicates "external force" coming from 10 scores. When there are less score of 2 than 3 and 1, this indicates "externam force" coming from 1 scores. Both these trend may indicate a maniuplation attempt of the mean score, from both sides, shows receiving "unfair" 1 vots, and shows reviving "unfair" 10 votes. This "unfairness" is up to your interpretation whether you consider it bias or not bias. My personal interpretation of DBZ's histogram is that it is rated unfairly high beecause of many 10 scores are usually biased. Your logic is completely skewed.It's not flexible enough. And you have given AOT S4 a negative bias because 2 is higher than 1. You must be living under a rock if you think the 10s are given by genuine people and not fanbois.The show only has one episode and is competing for the first position on the site.Have you seen how people are having a meltdown over the CGI & opening.The barrage of 1s are from people who are overreacting to MAPPA animating AoT.The show clearly has postive bias.Just ask anyone on this site.But we have to believe it has negative bias because your skewed interpretation of stats said so. |
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sonofbatmanrp13 said: Deago said: Well, I never said my justification of those anime with similar pattern being critically bad is objective, it is open to argument. But the "biased scores" sure influence the mean score, HOWEVER, their influence has a different approach and pattern. When there are less scores of 9 than 10 and 9, this indicates "external force" coming from 10 scores. When there are less score of 2 than 3 and 1, this indicates "externam force" coming from 1 scores. Both these trend may indicate a maniuplation attempt of the mean score, from both sides, shows receiving "unfair" 1 vots, and shows reviving "unfair" 10 votes. This "unfairness" is up to your interpretation whether you consider it bias or not bias. My personal interpretation of DBZ's histogram is that it is rated unfairly high beecause of many 10 scores are usually biased. And you have given AOT S4 a negative bias because 2 is higher than 1. I did? alshu said: So you think it's overrated because actually you don't like it thus you are pulling some "math wizardry" to prove with "scientific ways" that its fans are some biased idiots... Cool story bro! Ture |
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Deago said: I did? alshu said: So you think it's overrated because actually you don't like it thus you are pulling some "math wizardry" to prove with "scientific ways" that its fans are some biased idiots... Cool story bro! Ture I meant 1 is more than 2.I messed up there.You are so incompetent that you can't even remember your own examples.Just check your own original post.It's written in bold letters examples of shows with negative basis. Guess conan is not the only one who pretends to be intelligent and smart Have a great day.mate.I could have actually finished an entire season instead of this pointless argument. |
sonofbatmanrp13 said: You are so incompetent that you can't even remember your own examples.Just check your own original post.It's written in bold letters examples of shows with negative basis. Guess conan is not the only one who pretends to be intelligent and smart Have a great day.mate.I could have actually finished an entire season instead of this pointless argument.  1 is higher than 2, not the other way around |
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Deago said: Yes.I messed up 1 with 2.sonofbatmanrp13 said: You are so incompetent that you can't even remember your own examples.Just check your own original post.It's written in bold letters examples of shows with negative basis. Guess conan is not the only one who pretends to be intelligent and smart Have a great day.mate.I could have actually finished an entire season instead of this pointless argument. 1 is higher than 2, not the other way around I meant just because 1 is higher than 2 doesn't mean the show has negative bias. It still doesn't devalue mine example. AoT is a clear case of postive bias than a negative one.This show suffers from fanboism effect. But you're not gonna give any arguments and pick an error to debate with.Have a great day. |
sonofbatmanrp13 said: Yes.I messed up 1 with 2. I meant just because 1 is higher than 2 doesn't mean the show has negative bias. It still doesn't devalue mine example. AoT is a clear case of postive bias than a negative one.This show suffers from fanboism effect. But you're not gonna give any arguments and pick an error to debate with.Have a great day. We cannot detect positive bias just because of skewness. However, 1 votes are mostly from bots and haters who usually have never even made it to the second season, check that for yourself https://myanimelist.net/anime/40028/Shingeki_no_Kyojin__The_Final_Season/stats scroll down and see how easy to spot ingenuine 1 votes, but difficult for 10 votes. |
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| Congrats on this amazing thread, let me share my results: Manga results In the case of Skyhigh Hevan, its +7 because its not ranked, idk why Anime results Question: To clarify, is the difference in score, the measurement used to figure out the Bias?(thats what I got from the original post) |
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Deago said: That's because of bots.And bot problem is a predominant problem for top 10.What about AoT fans who have seen all previous seasons voting it 10?isn't that biased?Isn't it fanboism itself.It's only one episode.sonofbatmanrp13 said: Yes.I messed up 1 with 2. I meant just because 1 is higher than 2 doesn't mean the show has negative bias. It still doesn't devalue mine example. AoT is a clear case of postive bias than a negative one.This show suffers from fanboism effect. But you're not gonna give any arguments and pick an error to debate with.Have a great day. We cannot detect positive bias just because of skewness. However, 1 votes are mostly from bots and haters who usually have never even made it to the second season, check that for yourself https://myanimelist.net/anime/40028/Shingeki_no_Kyojin__The_Final_Season/stats scroll down and see how easy to spot ingenuine 1 votes, but difficult for 10 votes. But we are not talking about bots,are we? It's about bias. If the majority decides whether a show is critically acclaimed or panned.Then how are you using as a criteria to compare mean scores.The mean scores are already representing majority.If a majority likes a show then how it's critically panned? You are just contradicting yourself. And it's pretty obvious you labelled Detective Conan as critically panned because you considered it to be bad. Just because a lot of people vote 10 and next majority vote is a 8 doesn't mean it has positive bias.and people are fanbois. It's pretty clear who's biased |
BaconBuster said: Thanks.I usually hate such pointless arguments.sonofbatmanrp13 said: just shut the fuck up ur wasting time arguing in MAL i repeat MAL like u winning this arguement is gonna make ur life betterYes.I messed up 1 with 2. I meant just because 1 is higher than 2 doesn't mean the show has negative bias. It still doesn't devalue mine example. AoT is a clear case of postive bias than a negative one.This show suffers from fanboism effect. But you're not gonna give any arguments and pick an error to debate with.Have a great day. cant believe y'all wasted 2 hrs of fucking breath just because op didnt like conan so what if he thinks its bad, its not gonna change anything you fuck nut I really regret mine desicions.I could have watched an entire season.F. |
NeoYami said: Congrats on this amazing thread, let me share my results: Manga results In the case of Skyhigh Hevan, its +7 because its not ranked, idk why Anime results The difference is usually useless, also the manga you mentioned has relatively too low voters to make a judgement, the mean is around 7, idk why is that. Question: To clarify, is the difference in score, the measurement used to figure out the Bias?(thats what I got from the original post) No, this has nothing to do with the difference, although high difference is usually related to 10 scores and 1 scores, which are usually fall into the clustered bias in the histogram. Most anime don't have positive bias, although can be noticable with "sequel effect" Most anime have negligible negative bias, the negative bias increases when popularity increases, in certian situations, negative bias also increases when the anime rank is very high; I guess because it is in "your face" which can bothers some people. |
DeagoDec 8, 2020 11:55 AM
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sonofbatmanrp13 said: Deago said: That's because of bots.And bot problem is a predominant problem for top 10.What about AoT fans who have seen all previous seasons voting it 10?isn't that biased?Isn't it fanboism itself.It's only one episode.We cannot detect positive bias just because of skewness. However, 1 votes are mostly from bots and haters who usually have never even made it to the second season, check that for yourself https://myanimelist.net/anime/40028/Shingeki_no_Kyojin__The_Final_Season/stats scroll down and see how easy to spot ingenuine 1 votes, but difficult for 10 votes. But we are not talking about bots,are we? It's about bias. If the majority decides whether a show is critically acclaimed or panned.Then how are you using as a criteria to compare mean scores.The mean scores are already representing majority.If a majority likes a show then how it's critically panned? You are just contradicting yourself. And it's pretty obvious you labelled Detective Conan as critically panned because you considered it to be bad. Just because a lot of people vote 10 and next majority vote is a 8 doesn't mean it has positive bias.and people are fanbois. It's pretty clear who's biased For "the missing positive bias" that might be the case for now, things change, many who are not AOT fans wait untill the season finishes, some people wait for the whole story to end, I know this phenomenon, I am 80% sure many genuine voters will vote later with 9-2 votes, and lower it's rank, and maybe you will see more 7 or8 votes than 9, if that heppened, then yes "the hidden positive bias" about 10/10 voters you mentioned will be real, but for now, I cannot detect it. sonofbatmanrp13 said: BaconBuster said: Thanks.I usually hate such pointless arguments. just shut the fuck up ur wasting time arguing in MAL i repeat MAL like u winning this arguement is gonna make ur life better cant believe y'all wasted 2 hrs of fucking breath just because op didnt like conan so what if he thinks its bad, its not gonna change anything you fuck nut I really regret mine desicions.I could have watched an entire season.F. We learn things. |
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