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| I know there are some die hard higurashi fans who probably think this new one is trash, but those people can shove it because I'm having a fun time with this anime so far, it's just a super fun and unpredictable experience for me so far. |
"Get your tentacles off me or ill make calamari out of your manhood" -Mirai Nikki Dub |
littleproblems said: Shady-Dragon said: "not even the og season 1 was this stupid" LOL typical secondaryThis episode was horrible and just makes higurashi seem like an edgy 2000s anime with no realism, real drama or logic behind it not even the og season 1 was this stupid. I guess Ryukishi embraced the sh*tposts and memes. Keiichi not dying after that school days parody of scene was annoying enough but how both Mion telling Keiichi about Rika and Satoko dying was carried out so emotionlessly (She acts playful right after the nurse comes) and how Rena was so ruthless and Yuno Gasai like instead of actually seeming and sounding like she thought she had it all figured out and was forced to act violent because she felt victimized (like in the original series and novels), it was all so frustratingly not Higurashi like. Rena was acting crazy crazy not paranoid crazy. It wasn't even creepy, it was generic cheap anime over exaggerated nonsensical violence. With that said, there's still hope for this season.. I think. I honestly have no idea what Higurashi some people watched. The first two arcs can by summarized as "nonsensical loli violence" without knowledge of what is going on. |
| Although on the topic of theories, I would like to throw my hat into the ring with a submission for you all to consider. Spoilers for OG Higurashi just applies for the bonus theory. You don't have to take the bonus theory seriously, but it would be interesting if true. |
| That was so good. I thought its gonna be *that thing* again. This isn't as thrilling if you didn't watch the previous series. Its different in the season 1 of this. They should've just announced it as a sequel so newcomers can stop crying about how Higurashi works cause this will probably get a 6 for dumb reasons. Edit: After reading some comments here I find it extremely stupid that some people couldnt comprehend that the murder scene might or might not be a real thing. Yeah, it might just be Keiichi's imagination. Stabbed a hundred times and you survived does not make sense. This is how Higurashi always was. Everytime you finish an episode you're supposed to have questions in your head. |
leevOct 23, 2020 8:02 AM
| bruh this is a whole new story and there are people still crying that they "changed" the scenes |
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Magical_Bananana said: bruh this is a whole new story and there are people still crying that they "changed" the scenes At first I was slightly concerned and confused if I should recommend "Higurashi: When They Cry – Gou" as remake of masterpiece to my friends. After 4 episode my mind blowed! It's completely different story for some reason?! In first season K1 had to suicide because of cruel curse. I don't get why they nammed it as remake tough, now it's pretty obvious that it's sequel! Whaaa! |
| Shit went from 0 to 100 VERY fast. For three and a half episodes I was anticipating something happening and was still surprised when Keiichi didn't go mental but Rena did. I wasn't big on the ending? I know it's basically how Watanagashi-hen ended in the 2006 season with Keiichi presumably killed at the hospital, but the nurse? Did she kill him? Did he start showing signs of Hinamizawa Syndrome? I don't know, it just seemed like there should have been a little more there and then the next time showed the new arc. Can't wait to see what's to come. |
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AnimeApollo said: Shit went from 0 to 100 VERY fast. For three and a half episodes I was anticipating something happening and was still surprised when Keiichi didn't go mental but Rena did. I wasn't big on the ending? I know it's basically how Watanagashi-hen ended in the 2006 season with Keiichi presumably killed at the hospital, but the nurse? Did she kill him? Did he start showing signs of Hinamizawa Syndrome? I don't know, it just seemed like there should have been a little more there and then the next time showed the new arc. Can't wait to see what's to come. I bet it wasn't the nurse who killed him, since he had curse! Maybe he cracked his neck out. Who knows. |
jaw20 said: Why do you think K1 being easily convinced by Rika makes him stupid and naive? Just curious. My issue isn't that he's stupid and naive, my issue is that the anime made it out to be as if he completely forgot about it or he completely ignored it, when he just heard it the prior evening, from a police officer, that would signal anyone to be alarmed. It's unbelievable, from a story telling perspective, that he didn't consider it. jaw20 said: And to both of your questions towards the feasibility of K1 surviving, if a japanese woman can survive 61 stab wounds to the chest and neck, pretty sure it's possible (albeit unlikely) K1 could survive the wounds he got. Since he was only stabbed like 5 times or so before he started fighting back at 20:17. At which point the rate of stabs per second would probably start coming way down. It adds to the unbelievability of the events. It's basically plot armor, where the probability of something favorable happening to the main character is so incredibly low that it's unbelievable for the audience. AFAIK, that stabbing was done using a smaller blade. However most people die with far less stab wounds than what Keiichi apparently experienced. |
murphypalth said: AnimeApollo said: Shit went from 0 to 100 VERY fast. For three and a half episodes I was anticipating something happening and was still surprised when Keiichi didn't go mental but Rena did. I wasn't big on the ending? I know it's basically how Watanagashi-hen ended in the 2006 season with Keiichi presumably killed at the hospital, but the nurse? Did she kill him? Did he start showing signs of Hinamizawa Syndrome? I don't know, it just seemed like there should have been a little more there and then the next time showed the new arc. Can't wait to see what's to come. I bet it wasn't the nurse who killed him, since he had curse! Maybe he cracked his neck out. Who knows. It was just the weird cutaway after he rubbed his neck. Maybe we'll figure it out in a future episode, maybe not. Or maybe I'm just being incredibly stupid. |
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AnimeApollo said: murphypalth said: I bet it wasn't the nurse who killed him, since he had curse! Maybe he cracked his neck out. Who knows. It was just the weird cutaway after he rubbed his neck. Maybe we'll figure it out in a future episode, maybe not. Or maybe I'm just being incredibly stupid. If you watch till end or skip (oopsie) creators show brief 5 seconds about next part. "Next time: Cotton-deceiving chapter, Part 1", so these 4 episodes were 1 arc I suppose. So they left for us a space for our horror fantasies what happened to him next. Nothing good, since there was no clinic around? LOL. |
Shady-Dragon said: ssjokg said: I honestly have no idea what Higurashi some people watched. The first two arcs can by summarized as "nonsensical loli violence" without knowledge of what is going on. In the old anime although it did seem like an edgy nonsensical bloodbath of a show at the beginning, it was all mysterious and at least plausible enough to be explainable later on, unlike this 4th episode where so many things absolutely ruin your suspension of disbelief like Keiichi surviving. And what everyone seems to be forgetting for some reason is that this time we HAVE context, at least for the nature of each character and their typical characteristics because this is a sequel after all by this point so of course I would expect it to be a little more than nonsensical loli violence this time around. But because we, old fans, have context we know that not everything that happened was real, we even know why Rena could have gone crazy. This is just the beginning, for newcomers at least, and it pulled the same trick as the old one. Happy friends go crazy and try to kill each other. That is all this is. Rena and Mion being demonized and wanting to kill Keichi for no reason is as "bad" as the bloodbath of this episode. At least now Rena has a pseudo motive for her acts of violence. IMO it is better than Onikakushi, at least in showing why some stuff are happening, like Rena going psycho cause she wants to protect her dad. Onidamashi is more than "This girls just want to kill this guy for the lolz". |
| How much this will increase sales of blue retro alarm clocks in Amazon.jp? |
murphypalth said: Magical_Bananana said: bruh this is a whole new story and there are people still crying that they "changed" the scenes At first I was slightly concerned and confused if I should recommend "Higurashi: When They Cry – Gou" as remake of masterpiece to my friends. After 4 episode my mind blowed! It's completely different story for some reason?! Well, that was since the second episode, where we see that Rika knows about what happened on Higurashi Kai. They named it first as Higurashi 2020 in order to troll us and create that effect xD |
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Shady-Dragon said: ssjokg said: Again, you're comparing two different experiences. As an old fan I wouldn't expect this arc to have the exact same storytelling formula of the original arc but rather to divert from it in a way that gives new info and a new experience.But because we, old fans, have context we know that not everything that happened was real, we even know why Rena could have gone crazy. This is just the beginning, for newcomers at least, and it pulled the same trick as the old one. Happy friends go crazy and try to kill each other. That is all this is. Rena and Mion being demonized and wanting to kill Keichi for no reason is as "bad" as the bloodbath of this episode. At least now Rena has a pseudo motive for her acts of violence. IMO it is better than Onikakushi, at least in showing why some stuff are happening, like Rena going psycho cause she wants to protect her dad. Onidamashi is more than "This girls just want to kill this guy for the lolz". I would have agreed that this time Rena has a motive but making a main character antagonist spit out their motive in the last few minutes of the story ending is the laziest way to do it and so unlike Ryukishi if you ask me. Like, where was even the foreshadowing? recalling all the weird Rena moments in this arc none of them allured to a problem with her dad and the curse while when I recall all the weird moments of the og first arc after learning that Keiichi had the paranoia. I started to see all those weird moments as relevant and of great significance. I honestly can't think of anything that would make the logic of this episode and how over the top hostile Rena was acting towards Keiichi plausible. we need to remember how she acted in Tsumihoroboshi-henm how she constantly warned her friends not to stand in her way and could only bring herself to hurt them by convincing herself they were the enemy and even then she didn't actually hurt any of them to the point of murder, especially Keiichi. I hope big part of it was Keiichi's paranoia but even then it wouldn't make much sense because Ryukishi can't pull out the same twist twice if we already know it's a possibility so I don't see how this impact of ep 4 could be fixed honestly. Pal you are just looking for problems. Her line about finding happiness and her backstory told by Ooshi show that something is wrong with her family. We follow Keichi, not Rena, so what Rena tells herself and how she feels are irrelevant for now. You are saying you want new stuff but the moment we get those, you are making a big issue out of nothing just because it doesnt follow the same formula as the og first arc. Rena is paranoid for her family. Keichi also became paranoid because of Rena. With new info that will come for newcomers, everything will make even more sense. |
littleproblems said: DEEN Higurashi is an absolute masterpiece that heavily respects the source material. The beautiful fiesta Casey, Rachel, and Milly have in Onikakushi-hen really captures the essence of Higurashi. Also, I really liked that they took the creative liberty of making Sally pee and laugh herself in an emotional moment in the sound novel (sucks!! I hate reading!) I also liked that Watanagashi-hen and Meakashi-hen were just copy and pasted!! Rewriting Meakashi-hen to have Sally fall to her death accidentally again despite her claiming to roll over in the VN really was brilliant of them!! Not edgy or unfaithful at all what they did to some of the characters. DEEN Higurashi is REAL Higurashi. Higurashi Gou despite being written by Ryukishi07 is FAKE Higurashi. Best comment in this thread lol. |
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ssjokg said: Shady-Dragon said: Again, you're comparing two different experiences. As an old fan I wouldn't expect this arc to have the exact same storytelling formula of the original arc but rather to divert from it in a way that gives new info and a new experience. I would have agreed that this time Rena has a motive but making a main character antagonist spit out their motive in the last few minutes of the story ending is the laziest way to do it and so unlike Ryukishi if you ask me. Like, where was even the foreshadowing? recalling all the weird Rena moments in this arc none of them allured to a problem with her dad and the curse while when I recall all the weird moments of the og first arc after learning that Keiichi had the paranoia. I started to see all those weird moments as relevant and of great significance. I honestly can't think of anything that would make the logic of this episode and how over the top hostile Rena was acting towards Keiichi plausible. we need to remember how she acted in Tsumihoroboshi-henm how she constantly warned her friends not to stand in her way and could only bring herself to hurt them by convincing herself they were the enemy and even then she didn't actually hurt any of them to the point of murder, especially Keiichi. I hope big part of it was Keiichi's paranoia but even then it wouldn't make much sense because Ryukishi can't pull out the same twist twice if we already know it's a possibility so I don't see how this impact of ep 4 could be fixed honestly. Pal you are just looking for problems. Her line about finding happiness and her backstory told by Ooshi show that something is wrong with her family. We follow Keichi, not Rena, so what Rena tells herself and how she feels are irrelevant for now. You are saying you want new stuff but the moment we get those, you are making a big issue out of nothing just because it doesnt follow the same formula as the og first arc. Rena is paranoid for her family. Keichi also became paranoid because of Rena. With new info that will come for newcomers, everything will make even more sense. Not to mention that there was actually moments that makes it look like Rena is suffering in this arc like Tsumihoroboshi, the big one is her dialogue in the Uso da scene in ep3, before that she was very weird even out of Keichii's PoV in the first 2 episodes and a lot of people mentioned that and said that it was plot holes. so i don't get why he's saying there was nothing pointing out that she had a problem. |
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| Rika is us. She thought this was just the same story again, so the solution was going to be very simple. But it wasn't the same story... I think the name of the next arc suggests we're going to get a few more classic arcs with new outcomes before Rika starts taking this seriously. Watadamashi is confirmed, Tataridamashi would be a sure bet but I could see them going a new route from there. |
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| After watching this I'm wondering how factual everything we saw was. It was all from Keichi's perspective and if that ending is any indication it could be dubious to what Keichi thinks he saw and what happened. It's the only way I can think to explain how he survived all those stab wounds. |
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ChetanS said: - 06:35 RIKA : Maybe, when you feel afraid of RENA, you shouldn't doubt RENA, but yourself. - 10:32 RENA : C'mon, don't be mean. Just let me in, KEIICHI-kun. - 10:45 KEIICHI : Why am i still so unsure? What Rika said have A LOT of sense when you watched the old show xD. I'll not tell you the spoiler, but yeah that's not so WTF as it looks xD. |
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ChetanS said: kofmaster said: What Rika said have A LOT of sense when you watched the old show xD. I'll not tell you the spoiler, but yeah that's not so WTF as it looks xD. Yeah, I've watched its previous seasons. BTW which spoiler? Is it related to previous seasons? |
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| Keiichi managed to survive after 28 stab wounds but somehow Rena died from the bottle xD I'm guessing K1 was killed by the nurse this ep and now we start the new timeline next week |
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YokaSol said: Opticflash said: My issue isn't that he's stupid and naive, my issue is that the anime made it out to be as if he completely forgot about it or he completely ignored it, when he just heard it the prior evening, from a police officer, that would signal anyone to be alarmed. It's unbelievable, from a story telling perspective, that he didn't consider it. Are you new to the series by any chance? If so there's major plot reasons as to why they made those decisions. This is in part why many including myself were suggesting people to watch the original first. At least the first 4 episodes to understand how this arc played out. New. But I'll watch all of this season first before deciding. |
ssjokg said: I honestly have no idea what Higurashi some people watched. The first two arcs can by summarized as "nonsensical loli violence" without knowledge of what is going on. The same one as you did but obviously had a radically different subjective experience with it? That seems obvious. For your claim here and all others who allege the same I didn't get that impression once even remotely during the entirety of watching the original seasons. Nothing about it suggested anything happening was "nonsensical" in even the least and slightest bit. Every aspect of the way the scenes were directed, writing, pacing, art, voice acting, and music conveyed a heavy and almost suffocating sense of atmosphere, depth, and weight which portended a great slow burn unfolding of a large mystery or series of mysteries yet revealed, so when people like yourself say this I couldn't disagree more and don't relate at all. Any viewer who possessed even a modicum of patience and critical thinking ability would realize immediately that it's obviously not random nonsense and not dismiss it in a superficial unthinking way. You don't require "knowledge of what is going on" to see the passion and care poured into virtually every scene and moment of the first seasons and realize a great epic of a story is unfolding before your eyes. Those who thought it was just random nonsense just don't have patience or weren't drawn in by all the amazing factors mentioned, which is fine, but it doesn't negate them or mean they weren't present. It should be abundantly clear by now that people can watch 100% of the same anime or read the same book or listen to the same piece of music and have a diametrically opposed experience with it, because it's entirely subjective and obviously much of what people walk away with from a series is due to their own biases, interests and passions, preferences and proclivities, beliefs, and life experience up to that point - the harmonious melding of many disparate elements brought together to tell a story which is an amazing experience for them. Obviously, it doesn't have to be the same or equal experience for you but I'd argue many who have seen the original seasons feel completely differently and vehemently so, and that's why they've had a relatively large following or cult following, acclaim across national boundaries, and high ratings and notoriety on this site and the broader anime community for 14 years running. You can disagree, but you can not impose your own experience with an anime on others who had a wildly different one with it, which should be completely clear and obvious. Nothing in seasons one or two was either random, stupid, or nonsensical nor perceived that way by countless first time viewers, as alleged by you and others. Plenty were drawn in from the first second to the last and felt the sheer and immense gravity of the storyline portrayed all the way through; were absolutely captivated and spellbound by it, in fact. |
WatchTillTandavaOct 23, 2020 2:08 PM
| There is no fucking way anyone can survive those many stab wounds. If the point of the show was to ask the viewer to guess if these events actually took place, then they do a really horrible job of portraying it because they very obviously didn't based on the fact that he survived despite 20+ stab wounds and rena died from getting bonked by a box. I'll give the show credit for definitely giving us a twist but the execution was terrible. It tried too hard + the censorship made it worse. |
AlfonseOct 23, 2020 2:22 PM
Alfonse said: There is no fucking way anyone can survive those many stab wounds. If the point of the show was to ask the viewer to guess if these events actually took place, then they do a really horrible job of portraying it because they very obviously didn't based on the fact that he survived despite 20+ stab wounds and rena died from getting bonked by a box. I'll give the show credit for definitely giving us a twist but the execution was terrible. It tried too hard + the censorship made it worse. To me, the writing on this season so far - in the outlines and broad strokes, is good. Or at least, I haven't noticed anything demonstrably negative about it yet which stands out. I just find the direction and art style/animation atrocious (although admittedly I care less about the latter than direction which can really make or sink something for me). |
WatchTillTandava said: ssjokg said: I honestly have no idea what Higurashi some people watched. The first two arcs can by summarized as "nonsensical loli violence" without knowledge of what is going on. The same one as you did but obviously had a radically different subjective experience with it? That seems obvious. For your claim here and all others who allege the same I didn't get that impression once even remotely during the entirety of watching the original seasons. Nothing about it suggested anything happening was "nonsensical" in even the least and slightest bit. Every aspect of the way the scenes were directed, writing, pacing, art, voice acting, and music conveyed a heavy and almost suffocating sense of atmosphere, depth, and weight which portended a great slow burn unfolding of a large mystery or series of mysteries yet revealed, so when people like yourself say this I couldn't disagree more and don't relate at all. Any viewer who possessed even a modicum of patience and critical thinking ability would realize immediately that it's obviously not random nonsense and not dismiss it in a superficial unthinking way. You don't require "knowledge of what is going on" to see the passion and care poured into virtually every scene and moment of the first seasons and realize a great epic of a story is unfolding before your eyes. Those who thought it was just random nonsense just don't have patience or weren't drawn in by all the amazing factors mentioned, which is fine, but it doesn't negate them or mean they weren't present. It should be abundantly clear by now that people can watch 100% of the same anime or read the same book or listen to the same piece of music and have a diametrically opposed experience with it, because it's entirely subjective and obviously much of what people walk away with from a series is due to their own biases, interests and passions, preferences and proclivities, beliefs, and life experience up to that point - the harmonious melding of many disparate elements brought together to tell a story which is an amazing experience for them. Obviously, it doesn't have to be the same or equal experience for you but I'd argue many who have seen the original seasons feel completely differently and vehemently so, and that's why they've had a relatively large following or cult following, acclaim across national boundaries, and high ratings and notoriety on this site and the broader anime community for 14 years running. You can disagree, but you can not impose your own experience with an anime on others who had a wildly different one with it, which should be completely clear and obvious. Nothing in seasons one or two was either random, stupid, or nonsensical nor perceived that way by countless first time viewers, as alleged by you and others. Plenty were drawn in from the first second to the last and felt the sheer and immense gravity of the storyline portrayed all the way through; were absolutely captivated and spellbound by it, in fact. Nice story, but I dont care unless you direct those towards the people that find this Higurashi to be nonsensical as well. I can change your paragraphs to talk about Gou and it will be the same thing. And please. No, you dont get "how epic" the story is just by the first arc of Deen. That something looks "epic" and "well structured" in the first arc/ep doesnt mean will be for 50+ episodes, so spare me the spiel about how good the OG was when in the new one, "old fans" cant stop looking for "flaws" and somehow point out stuff that even the OG had. Over the top, exaggerated violence in OG is epic storytelling but in Gou it is exaggerated nonsense? Yeah right. |
Xenocrisi said: There’s definitely something off about this adaptation, and I’m not talking about how all events were changed. The scenes are just not scary at all, or not enough at least yep, this. It's not even the content, I'm glad we're getting new stuff but there's something about the atmosphere and execution that's not doing it for me... Anyways, next episode new arc |
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ssjokg said: Nice story, but I dont care unless you direct those towards the people that find this Higurashi to be nonsensical as well. I can change your paragraphs to talk about Gou and it will be the same thing. And please. No, you dont get "how epic" the story is just by the first arc of Deen. That something looks "epic" and "well structured" in the first arc/ep doesnt mean will be for 50+ episodes, so spare me the spiel about how good the OG was when in the new one, "old fans" cant stop looking for "flaws" and somehow point out stuff that even the OG had. Over the top, exaggerated violence in OG is epic storytelling but in Gou it is exaggerated nonsense? Yeah right. All I took issue with is what you said, because I find it to be definitely untrue. What others have said about nonsensical violence or whatever are their own opinions to defend - I've never said that in this topic thread. I don't personally have a problem with any of the violence portrayed in this season thus far in the way it is written in terms of what is included, but take more issue with what is excluded - definitely finding the direction and its ability to cultivate a sense of tension, stakes, and proper atmosphere to be severely lacking and underwhelming by comparison - and also narration, background music, everything. And it isn't because of "nostalgia" or "seeing the earlier seasons first" as some are inclined to allege. That's a total nonsense to me when there are blatant and demonstrable differences in style and approach. It isn't like I didn't have similar problems with the earlier seasons besides one and Kai though. Every season or special/short film after is weaker so to me I'm still pleased to receive sequel material and have zero expectation of it being as good, as neither were Rei, Kira, or Kaku. And about not being able to discern how "epic and well-structured" something will be from the first arc - I mean, technically you can only judge an anime on an episode by episode basis. A 50 or 100 or 200 episode anime can be extraordinary and still completely fumble and rush the ending, sometimes even due to reasons outside of their full control like budgetary constraints or premature cancellation, as with any TV series. So there's never any way of telling that. It's more that you can assess the quality of what you're actually presently watching. |
WatchTillTandavaOct 23, 2020 3:09 PM
| wtf happened? I only watched episode 1, did it really diverge a lot from the original? I'm definitely kind of interested now. I also just started the tsukiotoshi hen from the VN |
| Loved it! The "plot twist" got me. I need more Umineko references though, the one in the OP is not enough! God bless Ryukishi. |
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