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Oct 3, 2009 4:44 AM
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nice chapter. uma and cynthia is in big trouble i don't see how will they survive that and even if they do how would they out run that monster? worst of all, there is a second wave coming. cant wait for the next chapter
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Oct 3, 2009 5:17 AM
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Wow...
The news monsters...
And Raki !
Raki began to transform ? Oo
Because he have two spears in him !
Oct 3, 2009 6:24 PM
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Wonder what happen to Priscilla? Don't think she would be too far away from Raki.
Oct 3, 2009 6:30 PM
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Alicia/Beth has been defeated =O

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Wonder what happen to Priscilla? Don't think she would be too far away from Raki.


That's what I was thinking too O_O
Oct 3, 2009 6:44 PM
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Things don't look to bright for them. I hope Uma and Cynthia are okay..
Oct 3, 2009 7:15 PM
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that was raki? so where is priscilla; and looks like new monsters are being created every so often; and what is the organization's plan?
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kagekyo said:
Wonder what happen to Priscilla? Don't think she would be too far away from Raki.



Maybe is within of Raky (or something like that) or Raky has powers now

BTW tabatha and cynthia are doomed
Oct 3, 2009 7:22 PM
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Clare & co. are in trouble by that monstrous awakened Rafaela-Luciela one.



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Oct 3, 2009 7:58 PM
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the series is getting very convuluted, the one reason i actually read this series is 2 see if Raki and Clare hook up :)
though i too wonder what happened to Precilla
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Oct 3, 2009 8:21 PM
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holy.
so now i'm thinking...
how strong is the Beth parasite?
what's going to happen to Alicia?
why was Raki able to hold off the parasite?
where is Priscilla?
Oct 3, 2009 8:31 PM

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Epic chapter, so many more questions to be answered now though.
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kagekyo said:
Wonder what happen to Priscilla? Don't think she would be too far away from Raki.

agree...
can't wait for the next one...
priscilla+raki encounter with the organization ^^
Oct 3, 2009 9:11 PM

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yea no way priscilla went away from raki for any amount of time
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same question... where the hell is priscilla?
Oct 3, 2009 10:12 PM

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Damn Good Chapter
Oct 3, 2009 10:22 PM

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i wish we could have seen some raki fighting
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kagekyo said:
Wonder what happen to Priscilla? Don't think she would be too far away from Raki.


Probably they saw what those spears did to the villagers infected and Raki send Priscilla away so she wouldn't be infected and begin a massive killing spree like Beth will do.
Oct 3, 2009 10:49 PM

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Raki! Missed that dude so much.

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omg some many omg moments Beth just transformed to another crazy mambo being

than we there is Raki, wth i though he had dodged the blows with Priscilla's help, but i guess not

and if they really do if they really do take him to the organization, they are going to make him in to another controlled being, but I hope THIS definitely doesn't happen, and rather he takes control and kill the capturing crew or Priscilla does.

and R&L are wtf blowing another set of HUGE darts lol, DEAD zone ahead.

and the organizations plans, well of course is more of along the lines of "creating a perfect war machine, to take it to that other Island, they mentioned in that Conspiracy story...
Oct 3, 2009 11:36 PM

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i am impressed what they did with this manga, i feel pity for Alice & Beth, for second i though cynthia might help alice so she will join renegades ;/

i think raki will be artifical awakend being i mean he will mutate into claymore instead of normal-transplanted claymore

i wonder what happend to pricilla -_- i can't believe that she fail while clare/deneve/ helen finished few groups of them -_-

and anyway what about the other organizaion's claymores -_- this monsters were spreaded around the island ... so it's almost sure that all low levels will mutate
Oct 4, 2009 12:21 AM

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And what about that two-face guy who has the same pattern of injury as the Two-Face in Batman. I dislike him, he showed he doesn't care about his minions nor the victims. His as* is top priority above others lives (in regard Raki's possible transformation in the middle way to the organization headquarters) -.-

What's the odds Beth not fighting against Yuma and Cynthia? Or better saying not annihilating them. x.x
Oct 4, 2009 1:32 AM

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Page 20-21 was pretty wicked.

Interesting chapter, and like most people, I'm also wondering about where Priscilla is.
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Oct 4, 2009 1:33 AM

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For Priscilla, we can thing one think :
She coming fo the root of the monsters cat : "Raciela".
So she going to fight her...
Oh, it's must my imagination but Priscilla VS Raciela VS Clare ? :D
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Well I wonder what there going to do with Raki? Maybe Priscilla spins into action to save him...also Clare and company are going to have a hard time continuously fighting them off so eventually there going to have to fight the Rafaela-Luciela awakened being or it will never end. I honestly think it will end up being the awakend Beth vs Rafaela-Luciela and that she is going to just ignore Yuma and Cynthia.
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like everyone else I question where priscilla ran off too.
Oct 4, 2009 2:20 AM

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But don't forger too : Raki is a experience of the organisation ?!
But abandonned ?!
Oct 4, 2009 3:01 AM

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raki will be just like this guy from resident evil ;p he will be turned into mutant but in the end he will recognise clare ^_^
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Not as good as the previous chapter imo. The awakened+mutated Beth is probably as strong as the formal abyssal ones if not stronger, which means: uma & cynthia = dead

I wonder how Riful vs Alicia turned out. Clare of the mixed bodyparts & co. need to figure out something if they want to survive in the long run
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raki will be just like this guy from resident evil ;p he will be turned into mutant but in the end he will recognise clare ^_^


ARGL !
Don't say that...
But now, they can live together no ? *___*
If he become a real Claymore. **
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"I should hope that the explanation is more interesting than some tedious issue of willpower."

Haha, that put a smile on my face knowing how a lot of characters in other shounens are able to overcome all odds with some simple willpower. I'm glad Claymore is more logical and thought out. Although I wonder how Raki is able to stop the awakened things from taking over his body. If it does turn out to be willpower I'm going to kick myself.
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Oct 4, 2009 5:11 AM

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Wonder what will happen to Raki?
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Helen is my hero in this chapter "NO FUCKIN' WAY!"

Now that that thing has Beth as its battery, you can say this is serious. And they better make it a epic battle.

And the next time you see Raki, he is no longer a boy or a man anymore. He will be a GAR!!!!


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Oct 4, 2009 7:35 AM

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nice chapter, Clare and the other claymores are in a bad situation, some of them might die... Raki will evolve in half-human half-yoma?? I wonder how powerfull he will become. If Priscilla is nearby Raki she might be spotted by the organization and if that does we might she her awaken...
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Oct 4, 2009 10:30 AM

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i've been hoping for the raki gets taken to the organization move for so long <3.
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Touka said:
"I should hope that the explanation is more interesting than some tedious issue of willpower."

Haha, that put a smile on my face knowing how a lot of characters in other shounens are able to overcome all odds with some simple willpower. I'm glad Claymore is more logical and thought out. Although I wonder how Raki is able to stop the awakened things from taking over his body. If it does turn out to be willpower I'm going to kick myself.
Yeah, same thoughts here.
I really liked page 21 and 23, but I don't think Uma&Cynthia would agree with me.
Wonder what happened to Riful... Hope she survives somehow.
Oct 4, 2009 10:43 AM

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Touka said:
"I should hope that the explanation is more interesting than some tedious issue of willpower."

Haha, that put a smile on my face knowing how a lot of characters in other shounens are able to overcome all odds with some simple willpower. I'm glad Claymore is more logical and thought out.


IMO, the only down-side to the so called 'will power' is simply how it's used in shounen manga, but I don't doubt it's existence if re-worded correctly. Will power could be linked with the brain selfishness's of survival, and 'survival' (or rather, reason for living) is also associated with protecting someone else, so even if the concerned person is not in front of death but his 'reason of living' is, the 'will power' phenomenon can occur.

It's simply exaggerated to no end in shounen manga, but it's not one of the most unrealistic elements you often come across. It's pretty much how I see it though, and I don't really believe it in shounen manga since their aim is simply "Don't give up" and not "We'll prove that everything here is scientifically correct in some extreme situations even though we've emphasized it endlessly."

In the end, I'm still glad I saw that lady say that sentence in this manga making fun of that too, since lack of originality is too common. Even though it's considered shounen, I don't really see Claymore like that; I don't rank it with mainstream series such as Naruto or Bleach genre-wise.
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Hakoria said:
Touka said:
"I should hope that the explanation is more interesting than some tedious issue of willpower."

Haha, that put a smile on my face knowing how a lot of characters in other shounens are able to overcome all odds with some simple willpower. I'm glad Claymore is more logical and thought out.


IMO, the only down-side to the so called 'will power' is simply how it's used in shounen manga, but I don't doubt it's existence if re-worded correctly. Will power could be linked with the brain selfishness's of survival, and 'survival' (or rather, reason for living) is also associated with protecting someone else, so even if the concerned person is not in front of death but his 'reason of living' is, the 'will power' phenomenon can occur.

It's simply exaggerated to no end in shounen manga, but it's not one of the most unrealistic elements you often come across. It's pretty much how I see it though, and I don't really believe it in shounen manga since their aim is simply "Don't give up" and not "We'll prove that everything here is scientifically correct in some extreme situations even though we've emphasized it endlessly."

In the end, I'm still glad I saw that lady say that sentence in this manga making fun of that too, since lack of originality is too common. Even though it's considered shounen, I don't really see Claymore like that; I don't rank it with mainstream series such as Naruto or Bleach genre-wise.


I'm not saying willpower isn't logical, but as you say it's overused so much in shounens that it was nice to finally see it cast aside. I too don't really see Claymore as a shounen, it seems to me more like a seinen, but it is labeled as a shounen so I couldn't help but comment on that quote. Also, that two-face thing was a woman? I thought it was a man. :P
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...I can't tell anymore. Looks like an old woman in some shots, but also an old man in others. With a release rate of something like 1 chap/month, I forgot if we knew anything about him/her, and that surely means the gender too if it was told.

Although I kind of think it's more a guy now that you pointed it out, oh well.
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Oct 4, 2009 12:34 PM

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Great chapter, I'm glad Raki came back for a little while, I was wondering where he went. So many questions left to be answered next chapter.
Oct 4, 2009 2:58 PM

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the big monster will be killed after finishing off most minor characters, it looks like the experiment is almost over and the series with it.

Raki will have to make a choice between Priscilla or Clare? or maybe one of them dies?
Oct 4, 2009 7:17 PM

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if Prisc. is still around she wont let them take him. its rather odd that she would be away from him though.

it looks like they are in for round 2 another hopeless situation like the Invasion.

doesn't it seem that since the introduction of awakened beings, they have been getting more and more out of control. each time the organization creates a new weapon they lose control of it.

as for the willpower thing... scientifically minded people tend to look for more quantifiable explanation but will power can have a significant effect on the outcome. of course it is that much more interesting if its something other than willpower but the irony of what that man said is that for all the claymore to stay human as long as they can, willpower is generally the major factor to that end.
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Good chapter, I wonder how Raki is holding off the transformation and I like how the leader of that military group said "I hope it is more interesting than some issue of willpower". That implies that it will be some power that Raki has developed, as usual I'm looking forward to the next chapter.

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Alicia and Beth rampaging as Awakened Beings and a second round from Raciela, awesome. Beth has a pretty cool awakened form and I'm pretty sure Cynthia and Uma are done for.

Also I forget but where is Miria?
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Alicia and Beth rampaging as Awakened Beings and a second round from Raciela, awesome. Beth has a pretty cool awakened form and I'm pretty sure Cynthia and Uma are done for.

Also I forget but where is Miria?

Don't she and Tabatha still hang around Labona?
Oct 6, 2009 5:55 AM

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Everyone's already asking the questions I would ask.
So I'll just say it was a great chapter. MORE. MORE!
Oct 9, 2009 6:36 AM

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So, how the hell are the claymores supposed to win? So many damn strong awakened ones. GG
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I am getting tired of all the new enemies appearing since a while... it seems nothing happens except new kind of monsters! And.. is it just me... the drawings have changed?? Well I can't wait until the real action ans plot starts back!
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So, how the hell are the claymores supposed to win? So many damn strong awakened ones. GG

Same as the claymores won in the chapter where they had to fight an army of awakened beings in the north. Can you remember that chapter?
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With little pilules ? OO
Or with so many deaths ? :o
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holy.
so now i'm thinking...
how strong is the Beth parasite?
what's going to happen to Alicia?
why was Raki able to hold off the parasite?
where is Priscilla?


It seems to me that Alicia will be running around as an uncontrollable Awakened now. Remember, she attacked the Abyss Feeders that were pursuing Riful. Riful notices Alicia's change, pointing out that Alicia killed the creatures that were on her side. When that spear hit Beth, she lost her control of Alicia.

I found the way that Raki was pulled back into the story to be very interesting. I'm speculating his resistance to the transformation has something to do with Priscilla; but what kind of power would she have to protect a human from an Awakened-like parasite? Perhaps Raki has some inherent ability? He, as a human, can kill Yoma, which many believed only Claymore could do. He has either done some major training in the past seven years, or gained some new power. (I'm sure it's a bit of both, in some way.)
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