| Louise is a best girl though. Wut? |
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KiriyaXIII said: CakeRabbit said: So, as far as I can see, members of MAL really HATE Louise - even going so far as to call her a "bitch," "evil," etc. Why so much hate? Yes, she's a major tsundere... But I think she has more justification that tsundere girls in other shows. When you think of the intensely social-class-obsessed world she lives in, and the fact that she has spent most of her life as a "no talent Zero," you can understand how she would be cold and aggressive to outsiders. I get what your trying to say, and i think Louise would be a..... bearable character..... if her character were to improve a bit. But unfortunately, even though were already in the final season of zero no tsukaima..... she STILL hasn't improved in the slightest. Thats what made season 3 almost unbearable to watch because it was almost like a repeat of the same thing. "oh im going to trust saito", "oh he should be punished", "oh i forgive him", it just made me sick to my stomach. I used to like Louise up until season 2...... but from there it just all went downhill S3 pretty much never happened in the LN, reason I prefer the LN over the anime or I just pretend S3 never happened as after that S4 felt more like a proper S3 (and there louise is justified tsun as shes the one pulling the relationship yet saito keeps being a perv..) Z-flame said: It's quite obvious that Louise is not a bitch, In fact, she's very nice and likeable and the best character in the show. Yeah I love her the most as well.. They just kind of ruined her a bit with S3 as for development from gradually going from tsun to dere.. She acts out of insecurity plus indecent acts of saito.. Kind of justified they just exaggerated it for comedy purposes :) im not too fan of her tsun eventho i consider her my waifuu but on the other hand saito never did anything against it either.. It wouldve been so much better if they let him stand up against her or let him go to kirche for example or siesta in S1 so she couldnt be tsun to him and get deredere to get him back :P |
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| I don't mind Louise, to be honest. Well, in the first season, it made sense for her to act the way she did. He was her familiar, and a peasant no less. She's an arisocrat, and her treatment of him was actually very similar to the way most of the others treated him. From Season 2 onwards though it's all gone to shit, Saito confesses his love to her one minute, then he's groping other girls the next. Louise overreacts at absolutely everything; even if something isn't his fault, she punishes him for it. I'm nearing the end of the third season, and even when a naked girl appears in front of Saito, he gets abused for it. I'm gradually hating both their characters. Na, scratch that - I'm starting to hate the majority of the characters in this anime. Character development? Never heard of it. They repeat the same shit every single episode. Saito turned into a hound-dog going after every single pair of tits that looks his way; Siesta became a manipulative bitch who has 0 respect for the fact that Saito's confessed his love multiple times, and Louise is a one trick pony - the only thing she ever says is "baka Inu!!!" I'm kinda surprised that people only hate on Louise though. She's no better or worse than the rest of them. |
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-Maz said: well, putting it that way, you are quite right, lol, Saito is basically a perverted dog, Siesta is just i dont know how to explain it, and Louise is just too much tsudere for me to handle, even though as you mentioned, sometimes Saito doesn't do anything wrong, she just blows up everyone yelling "baka Inu!!!", I know they are trying to be funny, but it just gets old, even though I am only on the middle of the second season as of this post... and as if I didn't think she was b*t*hy from the first season, it just continues to make me not like her, though that can also be said for Saito... But Heniretta though.. Hmmm....I don't mind Louise, to be honest. Well, in the first season, it made sense for her to act the way she did. He was her familiar, and a peasant no less. She's an arisocrat, and her treatment of him was actually very similar to the way most of the others treated him. From Season 2 onwards though it's all gone to shit, Saito confesses his love to her one minute, then he's groping other girls the next. Louise overreacts at absolutely everything; even if something isn't his fault, she punishes him for it. I'm nearing the end of the third season, and even when a naked girl appears in front of Saito, he gets abused for it. I'm gradually hating both their characters. Na, scratch that - I'm starting to hate the majority of the characters in this anime. Character development? Never heard of it. They repeat the same shit every single episode. Saito turned into a hound-dog going after every single pair of tits that looks his way; Siesta became a manipulative bitch who has 0 respect for the fact that Saito's confessed his love multiple times, and Louise is a one trick pony - the only thing she ever says is "baka Inu!!!" I'm kinda surprised that people only hate on Louise though. She's no better or worse than the rest of them. |
SympathyRSMay 16, 2016 10:34 PM
| Just stared watching , and saw this. Really? i mean that much hate on her. She reminds me very much of Taiga from Toradora, With a magic twist and i find that rather interesting. Why the hate?? xD |
| cause MAL is doing there job for once. |
Dead_By_Heart said: maybe if you watch more of it you will, maybe not, to each their own xDJust stared watching , and saw this. Really? i mean that much hate on her. She reminds me very much of Taiga from Toradora, With a magic twist and i find that rather interesting. Why the hate?? xD |
| Both the MC's are horrible, they make each other seem absolutely shit. Saito getting blown up by Louis makes Louise a stupid little bitch AND Saito being 'unfaithful' to Louis because she's such a major tsundere makes him look like a douche, they're just a bad couple of MC's. Oh btw did I mention Louise made me hate Kugimiya Rie's voice? I couldn't stand her voice for a long time after watching this anime. |
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joe_g7 said: +1 fuck the bitch i seriously hate this archtype of character. Yet we keep getting abusive tsunderes that act like total cunts!Both the MC's are horrible, they make each other seem absolutely shit. Saito getting blown up by Louis makes Louise a stupid little bitch AND Saito being 'unfaithful' to Louis because she's such a major tsundere makes him look like a douche, they're just a bad couple of MC's. Oh btw did I mention Louise made me hate Kugimiya Rie's voice? I couldn't stand her voice for a long time after watching this anime. |
| Probably they just hate Type A tsundere in general. |
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| She overreacts to anything perverted Saitou does without context , even if it's not the right time to be doing that like that one time when they were in middle of danger. She also overreacts on him hanging around girls when it's not a perverted scenario (yet). Eventually they make up and blah blah. Then they actually had multiple episodes where Louise didn't trust Saitou, only to be told that she should give him a chance which she does and then goes on the whole spiel about needing to trust Saitou more, but that doesn't last as something perverted happens, and she overreacts yet again. Rinse and repeat the rollercoaster of shit that this show had on their relationship. Saitou is also shit, including choosing AND saying he loves Louise despite him taking advantage of certain scenes that were actually his fault. This was the first anime where Rie's voice actually sounded annoying, but it's probably having them continue to argue back and forth pretty much every single episode throughout the entire franchise. In a sense, this show did actually went further than most romance I've seen, but the relationship was a vicious cycle of never ending sensitive characters that don't do what they preach. |
MechKingKillbotJun 2, 2017 1:55 PM
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| I love that this thread has been running for over 7 years and people still want to comment about how much of a bitch she is. I just tried watching ZnT again, after dropping it 2 episodes in because... you guessed it... Louise is such an abusive piece of work. Every time I tried searching for similar shows, ZnT would come up, and it has a fairly good score on MAL, so I was determined to give it a try. This time I got 10 episodes in before Googling "Zero no Tsukaima does louise ever stop hitting saito" and finding this thread. I am glad to say I found it, because now I know she is completely irredeemable, and it's no point watching any more if she is going to continue to be the aggressive, bratty, toffee-nosed bitch she is. |
| Sure i guess you can make a point saying that but shes obsessively agressive even for tsundere type. Very childish character even for an anime. |
| Probably because she is like the worst possible choice of all the girls. Like everyone would end up happier overall if he picked any of the others. |
pjburtonNov 21, 2017 10:58 AM
| It took me two days to finish the first season (13 episodes). That was torture, but I did it, I finally did it. There is a reason why I gave it a 3/10 score. I hate almost everything about this anime. The intro was annoying so I skipped it already from the 2nd time I heard it. The characters (all of them but the maid and the quiet girl) annoyed me. The plot is weak, it's as if a child wrote it. There is no suspense in the anime, none whatsoever. The second they mentioned a thief, or whatever, I figured out instantly who it was, because who else would it be? So yeah, terrible writing. The characters were too dumb to be even remotely realistic. The main lead character couldn't figure out what they meant by dragons? Really? He even saw the "blood". How dumb can one get? Heck, even if the show didn't have the worst main characters I have ever had the displeasure of getting to know, it would still suck. But as many of you have already said, the main characters are horrible. Anyone that likes them have clearly never seen a good anime, and if they have, then I am at a loss for words. They'd actually get into a relationship with a person like them? The male and female lead characters annoyed me beyond words. He has no obligation to listen to her, and she has no right to hit him. He is a human being, yet she treats him like an animal, for NO reason at all. Imagine if you were taken to another world, and instantly treated like a slave because of some stupid cultural magic nonsense. Would you accept that? I'd use violence if she tried to make me stay with her. Who is this insane stranger and why is she trying to hit me? Heck no! I hate the male lead just as much as I hate her. Every time he referred to himself as her "familiar" I wanted to stop watching, but against my better judgement I continued. Why would anyone with half a brain recognise themselves as that? That's like calling yourself a slave and smiling about it like some idiot. The fact that he didn't choose the maid blows my mind. I am under the belief that anyone that likes this anime just needs to get a better taste in anime, as simple as that. |
Panthers_EternalMar 1, 2018 3:39 AM
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| It's been years since I watched this series and Louise tops my list of hated female characters to this day. She overreacts to anything the mc does, her voice is annoying, she's an abusive bitch, she's unable to have a rational conversation with anyone, there's nothing at all, not even one little thing redeeming about her. It's insane to think that people put up with this girl, especially the main guy. But then again he's as spineless as they come. But even him, as much as I hated his bland, garbage character, did not deserve to get abused left and right by a spoilt, proud and antisocial monster, who wouldn't in any way function in society. The whole time I watched this series I just had murderous thoughts towards her. Even by tsundere standards she's is extreme. The real question here is "why do people LIKE Louise?" |
sea-lemonApr 2, 2018 5:15 PM
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| me, being the person i am hating tsunderes to death, i'd obviously fucking hate her. i hate tsunderes so much. it's not even the fact she's a tsundere, she's so poorly written and one dimensional. she has no depth and is not interesting at all, so it's kinda hard to care for her. her behavior isn't justified throughout the series. she acts like that for NO reason, literally none! asuka, as much as i hate her, had a reason to act that way towards shinji, she had an awful past and you start to feel bad for her in a way. if there was an episode about her past, then just maybe, just maybe, she could be a slightly better character, however shitty. she does have some serious moments, but they're hard to take serious as the reasons mentioned above, so she deserves it. her character development is poor as well, as for some reason, with the 49 GODDAMN episodes the anime has, she can't change for shit! in the 2nd season she only became more bitchy and abusive to saito and doesn't change from there. actually, in the 4th season i thought she became a better character as in learning that not everything is solved by violence, but she didn't! another missed opportunity to become a better character! all the other girls in zero no tsukaima at least treated saito with respect, as shitty of characters as they were. it just doesn't make much sense as to why you'd want to marry or even spend time with someone like louise. she's one of those people you'd want to stay away from at all times, not as a friend or just casual discussion. saito is also a poorly written character as well, he's worse than louise, that's an accomplishment. in the 1st season, he's kirito 1.0 and is so generic, has some heroic moments, tries to act kind, etc. in the 2nd season and onward his only trait is perversion! it's not even done in a funny way like issei from hdxd, it makes him so unlikable. |
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| Well, because she's a whip-happy snobby brat. That's how I see her for now. I feel sorry for Saito as it is, that he is treated like a dog, or most of the time, inhumanely treated. P.S. My statement may be subjected to change for better or for worse after I finished the entire franchise. |
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bvdaf said: There are worse cases, like Kirino.I HATE HER SO MUCH. She is the most annoying female character I've ever seen. Luise is a aggresive girl without any fucking empathy relative to Saito. Louise has absolutely at times shown great sacrifice for the benefit of Saito. That's obviously not to say that in the real world Louise would not have been in jail for domestic violence twenty times over by now but in the real world Saito would also be dead twenty times over from all the explosions; this is clearly not the real world and it's a comedy series that trivializes domestic violence, infidelity and various other things as but temporary setbacks in relationships. If one complain about this one might as well complain that Bugs Bunny is the most evil character in history for repeatedly dropping anvils and pianoforti upon other characters which in the real world would surely kill a man but naturally inhabit one a universe where such violence is but a temporary setback then characters have a significantly more laconic attitude towards it. |
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| Louise best waifu and btw happy birthday louise |
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| Season 1 Louise is a great character. She's got flaws of course but its balanced out with her good traits. Problem is her bad traits get more and more pronounced with each subsequent installment of the series. This happens to the entire cast, not only Louise. Siesta's boobs grow bigger and bigger and she turns into a nymphomaniac bimbo, Saito turns into a lecherous pervert who can't keep his hands to himself. Even the Queen and Tabitha undergoes complete personality changes. Don't blame the characters, blame the writers. |
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lov3lymj said: Lmao, just finished a nostalgic re-watch and gotta say, I still adore Louise, Saito and their romance. The fact he picks her over everyone else is just adorable (really wish we'd get more isekai animes like that). She's a cute tsundere, afraid to be honest and as a girl in love I relate to her completely. What I do hate is how the series writers overplayed the violence compared to the novel. I get that the japanese audience liked it, it's supposedly a funny trope and how it was a huge thing back then, but it really got tiring with time and made Louise look far worse than she deserves. In the novel she's actually a really sweet, insecure, lonely girl who doesn't know how to act upon her feelings. Saito on the other hand isn't a saint either, telling her he loves her but then kisses other girls- even her best friend (wtf). That's called cheating, hurts a girls self-esteem and rightfully causes her anxiety. It's kinda funny how he wants to be trusted but throughout the seasons proves he's everything except for trustworthy. Words aren't enough, actions matter too. So for that it's not a surprise she overreacted and I won't blame her for that- tho violence obviously isn't the answer - but again that used to be a popular trope. Don't blame the character for that, blame the writer and try to look past it. Well, the biggest regret is that the anime producers really decided to screw Louise huge character development from volume 8, all their relationship depth (they've a lot of meaningful talks in the novel), insights and growth but included some siesta fanservice shit that was uncalled for. I'm also kinda surprised she gets the most hate when in the anime Siesta, Henrietta are by far worse characters- at least to me. Both know Seito is in love with Louise but still make moves on him, provoke Louise, play/risk his health and heck Henrietta's even her best friend. Friendship over for me, it's surprising how Louise forgave her, not to forget Seito. Well and that blue queen, like Louise was part of the rescue team and she decides to steal her man and only gives him credits for everything. But sure Louise is a worse character than them bc of a trope that's supposedly funny to the japanese audience and doesn't fit our humour. I feel like Louise would receive less hate if the anime didn't ruin her and overplayed the violence. Louise is one of my favorites because I can definitely tell there's a lot of subtlety to her personality that the anime failed to convey. I haven't read the novel so I don't know how many liberties the anime took with the source material but of all the shows I've seen, this one has the most squandered potential. I can think of a bunch of ways that the above average ecchi harem we ended up with could be slightly changed to make it one of the best anime series of all time. |
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| I guess people dont really like tsunderes, i mean i love louise but some people dont i guess |
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| Hmm, I don't hate her, I ADORE her. |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
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