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Jan 8, 2020 6:14 AM
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so ye Bakugo of My Hero Academia is one example of a jerk but he is so popular so why is that and im guessing a lot of his fans are girls too? so why is that? there is a deeper meaning other than masochism right? lol
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Jan 8, 2020 6:37 AM
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I don't know either to be honest i'm normally fine with the existence of hot blooded characters but bakugou somehow just rubs me the wrong way.I guess it allows more room for development,since their flaws are literally shown in the open?
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Because dickheads tend to ooze confidence.
Jan 8, 2020 6:38 AM
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Because he's a fictional character that can get away with more. I mean as long as he's fun to watch, he can have whatever personality he wants. I don't personally like him all that much, but him, being a jerk, by itself, wouldn't deter fans. Izaya isn't an angel by any means, but he's still in my favorites list and many others because he's generally fun to be around.
Jan 8, 2020 6:40 AM
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Because dickheads tend to ooze confidence.


oh confidence is competence they say the Dunning-Kruger effect

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Izaya is a jerk too right? so whats fun having him around?
Jan 8, 2020 6:45 AM
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Female perspective? Some of us think bad boys are soft inside. They will show their vulnerability some time and we can fix them. The appeal to nurture kicks in. I personally can let fictional characters off the hook for a lot, but won't give much leeway for dickishness irl.
Jan 8, 2020 6:46 AM
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Maybe there isn't that much but making nice guys/girls sadder by cucking them with jerks sounds kind of appealing.
Jan 8, 2020 6:49 AM
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Female perspective? Some of us think bad boys are soft inside. They will show their vulnerability some time and we can fix them. The appeal to nurture kicks in. I personally can let fictional characters off the hook for a lot, but won't give much leeway for dickishness irl.


ye female users view are welcome too

reminds me of those very tolerant wives in real life that suffer domestic abuse a lot but still keeps loving their jerk husband it reminds me of some sort of stockholm syndrome
Jan 8, 2020 6:53 AM
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Lol no appeal
He's not my fav char on BnHA, it's Ochaco. Although I do like him better than midoriya because he's sassy.
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deg said:


reminds me of those very tolerant wives in real life that suffer domestic abuse a lot but still keeps loving their jerk husband it reminds me of some sort of stockholm syndrome


Reminds me of all the gay guys I see in online forums who try to protect homophobic conservatives to be not viewed as SJWs. These are the poorest of the poor.
Jan 8, 2020 6:55 AM
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deg said:
operationvalkyri said:
Female perspective? Some of us think bad boys are soft inside. They will show their vulnerability some time and we can fix them. The appeal to nurture kicks in. I personally can let fictional characters off the hook for a lot, but won't give much leeway for dickishness irl.


ye female users view are welcome too

reminds me of those very tolerant wives in real life that suffer domestic abuse a lot but still keeps loving their jerk husband it reminds me of some sort of stockholm syndrome
I know one girl who self-identifies as having a hero complex because she is attracted to guys she can 'fix'. Some domestic abuse sufferers suffer this mindset also. Others are just too afraid to speak out, or think they don't deserve any different. It's a problematic mindset because your partner's happiness and yours is tied to the 'fix' happening.
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Lol no appeal
He's not my fav char on BnHA, it's Ochaco. Although I do like him better than midoriya because he's sassy.


well there are other sassy characters that are not an asshole though lol like Kamina and Simon of Gurren Lagann

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why are you trying to make this a gay topic lol
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operationvalkyri said:
Female perspective? Some of us think bad boys are soft inside. They will show their vulnerability some time and we can fix them. The appeal to nurture kicks in. I personally can let fictional characters off the hook for a lot, but won't give much leeway for dickishness irl.

Yeah every bad boy has a soft side,i´m pretty sure bakugou has one too.
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I think most of the love for jerks comes from the female audience. If I had to make a theory it could be that people rarely encounter them irl which makes them more desirable. Jerks tend to be very masculine. They are not in a overly clingy which may be the average experience for many females.
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Jerk is an understatement. Flaws are usually what makes a character fun 9 times out of 10. This is the case for Izaya as well. He gets his entertainment from unexpected things, therefore, he not only gets excited when he sees those things happen, he relishes in it and would take active steps in seeing it happen. It's the type of enjoyment someone gets when they know something is about to happen and are waiting in anticipation because when he's around you generally understand as the viewer that he is up to something. Izaya kind of shares that in common with the viewer as he has this smug smile on his face all the time and when the unexpected does happen he goes on his spew on why he loves humans and bounces around(surpassing the excitement of most viewers) which both makes him the type of character a lot of people can enjoy since he is so unpredictable and you only have a vague idea on what he is up to.
Izaya also tends to do unexpected things in the view of other characters and/or the viewer like acting childish for his age by pretending to have a motorcycle or just taking a phone and step on it repeatedly while laughing which only adds to his character.

I can back up all that I said if you want, but if you don't disagree with my description, then I am going to leave it bare bones.
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deg said:
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Lol no appeal
He's not my fav char on BnHA, it's Ochaco. Although I do like him better than midoriya because he's sassy.


well there are other sassy characters that are not an asshole though lol like Kamina and Simon of Gurren Lagann

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why are you trying to make this a gay topic lol


Ya if it was kamina vs bakugo I'd be picking Kamina.
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Jan 8, 2020 7:03 AM
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>Flaws are usually what makes a character fun 9 times out of 10

i can agree to that especially on the hate of perfect characters like Kirito from Sword Art Online lol

so Izaya has more freedom then he does not care of anything other than to achieve what he wants so ye i can see the appeal
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operationvalkyri said:
Female perspective? Some of us think bad boys are soft inside. They will show their vulnerability some time and we can fix them. The appeal to nurture kicks in. I personally can let fictional characters off the hook for a lot, but won't give much leeway for dickishness irl.

Yeah every bad boy has a soft side,i´m pretty sure bakugou has one too.
He's definitely developing one. He needs to redeem himself for all his ashorery though. Not there yet by a long shot.
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"so Izaya has more freedom then he does not care of anything other than to achieve what he wants so ye i can see the appeal"

Not exactly, that's a lot of villains. That isn't unique to Izaya. I edited my comment to make my point a little more clear. To sum it up, his character is anticipation and the unexpected in its essence, and that's why so many like him as a character.
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@deg To get to the topic. I don't see the appeal of Jerks at all. I mean I love characters such as Yusuke Urameshi for example. He's a Jerk but he's not a jerk that would hit one or treat one like shit without a reason, you understand. But real jerks who treat one like trash for fun are a No-Go. Some people are masochists so who wonders.
Jan 8, 2020 7:11 AM
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@deg To get to the topic. I don't see the appeal of Jerks at all. I mean I love characters such as Yusuke Urameshi for example. He's a Jerk but he's not a jerk that would hit one or treat one like shit without a reason, you understand. But real jerks who treat one like trash for fun are a No-Go. Some people are masochists so who wonders.


ye Yusuke of Yu Yu Hakusho is one good jerk too imo

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ok so the unexpected or uncertainty of his character is one of appealing things to you eh, i thought us schizophrenics has social stigma lol because of the public view that we are unpredictable but im not saying Izaya is schizophrenic but more of a psychopath type of jerk from what i remember

as for looking for unexpected things thats seems novelty seeking so ye i can see the appeal on that although novelty seeking is not exactly good according to science

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i pick this guy https://myanimelist.net/character/24595/Shizuo_Heiwajima over Izaya's manipulative ass that is seen as love for humans
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Because its masculine and alpha to be assertive/dominant

Confidence is also appealing.
Jan 8, 2020 7:28 AM
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Hmm, I think for me it is because I am also a jerk. I am very crass and cannot handle being around sensitive people who are going to break if I say the wrong thing. That's not to say I don't enjoy me a soft boy every now and then. Jerks are just more fun. imo
Jan 8, 2020 7:28 AM

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@Dildry I think one can be assertive/dominant without being a jerk.
Jan 8, 2020 7:32 AM

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I am very crass and cannot handle being around sensitive people who are going to break if I say the wrong thing.


If you say something stupid and insulting it's no wonder you will see a reaction in one form or another.
Jan 8, 2020 7:34 AM
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Yeah, he does seem like a psychopath in the anime. I actually heard he is portrayed completely differently in the novel though. Do you know those more subtle scenes like when he called Shinra a "piss-poor excuse for a friend"? Stuff like that was more of a focus in the novel. They tried to make him more sympathetic. I never read it though, so I can't confirm it.

I agree. I think we could apply novelty-seeking describes the MC from Durarara as well Izaya.

Shizuo is my 2nd favorite character from Durarara. However, I am more inclined to Izaya myself.
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Savasvania said:
I am very crass and cannot handle being around sensitive people who are going to break if I say the wrong thing.


If you say something stupid and insulting it's no wonder you will see a reaction in one form or another.


Fair point, but offense is taken not given in a general sense. I don't go out of my way to offend anyone but I don't mix words either.
Jan 8, 2020 7:35 AM
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Because its masculine and alpha to be assertive/dominant

Confidence is also appealing.


Bakugo needs anger management though lol is being angry or frustrated all the time a sign of confidence?

ye i get that masculinity is link to violence and anger too the toxic version that is
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Because they go for what they want, dominant, confident and straight to the point.
While these are good characteristics, it's pretty unhealthy if it's used for selfish and self-centered reasons.

Example of healthy confidence are Onizuka and Kamina







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Think it's more how assertive they tend to be and the fact they always eat raw unobtanium for breakfast, so the perceived value of the shit they shat is high which some wanna get a piece of that even if they end up being broke as hell.

Seriously, don't risk yourself being hurt for real. BDSM fantasy is fine.
Jan 8, 2020 8:52 AM
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I wish I could be a part of this conversation but unfortunately I found this show to be garbage and promptly dropped it so I don’t know who you’re talking about.
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That's not true. Many aren't into jerks but confidence or at least somehow, who can hold themselves up. Sadly many over confident guys can't back it up in real and many jerks are just pure cringe and just assholes and nothing more.
"Women are into assholes" is just a common belief made by nice guys etc., who are jealous of guys, who can talk back to their girlfriend and dealing with her normally than overly stiff etc. So they tell you that women are into assholes, because they started to believe it themselves. They see in everyone a jerk, who acts naturally like a normal human being with flaws and not being 24/7 over the top friendly.

Some of these also said that my ex boyfriend is narc... pretty confident and a jerk. He's actually a very sweet person.
Most women are into a decent person and not into the asshole tho, except they either suffered a history of abuse (some not all react like that then) or are just naive or they are assholes themselves.

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Because he's a fictional character that can get away with more. I mean as long as he's fun to watch, he can have whatever personality he wants. I don't personally like him all that much, but him, being a jerk, by itself, wouldn't deter fans. Izaya isn't an angel by any means, but he's still in my favorites list and many others because he's generally fun to be around.

Yes, I don't get the love for Bakugo either. He has too often only one kind of voice pitch and way of communicating: Screaming. Gets boring fast.

But these typical goody two-shoes are in most cases boring in fiction, because they are one-dimensional. In better fiction or in real, they need the feeling of being needed and therefore act overly helpful and friendly all the time. Or they suffer some sort of hero complex and think they are only worth of affection and attention, if they put themselves last all the time.

But yeah, I'd love to be around most of my favorite characters too. Most aren't that much of a jerk and quite sweet in reality.
Jan 8, 2020 9:25 AM
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Confidence in themselves, assertiveness, audacious behaviours, power, respect from others, reputation and esteem in general.



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What even is a ''jerk'' at this point? Seems like you can't say anything without some loser labeling you as one these days.

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Yeah every bad boy has a soft side,i´m pretty sure bakugou has one too.
He's definitely developing one. He needs to redeem himself for all his ashorery though. Not there yet by a long shot.

Yes, slowly or he already had but didn't know how to express that.

But definitely not everyone. Some people are just straight up sociopathes or just assholes.
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What even is a ''jerk'' at this point? Seems like you can't say anything without some loser labeling you as one these days.


well you might be a jerk if you are too defensive of them lol and the way you post here in the forums i think you consider that others see you as one
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It depends, because if that jerk grows over the course of a show into a completely different and much better person; there are very few things in storytelling more compelling than a well written redemption arc. But I rarely see these jerk characters in anime get that sort of treatment and certainly not Bakugou who is a unrepentant asshole for all the horrible things he's done and who's shown barely any growth over the course of the show. I have no idea why everybody loves him so much.
Jan 8, 2020 5:19 PM
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current manga arcs that are not yet animated shows there is some redemption on Bakugos character lol its just a matter of time when he fully enters a redemption arc and i heard the latest movie somehow shows some redemption bit for him too
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As someone who is into jerks, let me explain.

I have no explanation.

I just like bad boys, they are sexy.



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The thought of crushing Bakugou's spirit is rather exciting I must say. Someone but won't name who, asked why are all of my doujins staring Bakugou as a bottom... I'll let you guess what my answer was. After all, it's more fun this way.


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I was thinking of a different kind of jerk.

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Because dickheads tend to ooze confidence.
They also ooze something else.



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The thought of crushing Bakugou's spirit is rather exciting I must say. Someone but won't name who, asked why are all of my doujins staring Bakugou as a bottom... I'll let you guess what my answer was. After all, it's more fun this way.

This right here is peak culture. Much agree.



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current manga arcs that are not yet animated shows there is some redemption on Bakugos character lol its just a matter of time when he fully enters a redemption arc and i heard the latest movie somehow shows some redemption bit for him too


I read the manga too but even in the manga he's hardly improved like just a couple chapters ago he blasted Deku in the head after hearing he improved with his quirk, and Bakugou is still incapable of even holding a conversation. He just yells shit out every now and then. Only difference now is he's a bit less of a dick and he's willing to sit down and listen if someone like All Might or Kirashima wants to tell him something. He's still just a total ass, but hey I hope he gets a redemption arc soon so I don't have to watch his toxic antics any longer.
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One lady who was attracted to jerks and tried to figure out why eventually realized it was because it was a lot more affirming when a guy who is a jerk to most people is nice to her than it is when a guy is nice to her because he's nice to everyone.
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They are mistaking arrogance and self centeredness for confidence, there is nothing good about toxic masculinity.


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It's the douchebag effect. They're terrible people, but they're impervious to being bitched out. So you go from thinking you hate them to becoming infatuated. It's actually a pretty hypnotic effect, but naturally they're shitty people, so it's not like he's going to acknowledge that fact about himself. Very ironic that he wouldn't be a douchebag any more if he didn't.

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It's a combination of confidence, and there is also an appeal in obtaining something that is harder to get. You often idealize things you can not get, and you may get it and realize it wasn't all that, the appeal is in the fantasy and chase.

Seeing a character develop, the "nice" moments, can produce a similar effect.

There is also an intrigue in being the reformer. To chase the idea of being so special to someone, that you can change them into something better, or seduce them into acting in the way you want them to. That desire is an effective manipulation technique to trap people in abusive relationships.


The male equivalent is the tsundere, or irl the alpha bitch who has no interest in you until you gain some superficial trait she's into. You know those movies. So it is not even limited to women, though men just often like submissive girls more.

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Nah it really is straight up "masochism", or rather a woman's desire to submit. It's less about being an asshole though and more about being domineering and having confidence. Just take responsibility for your actions and become a "cultured thug".
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Nah it really is straight up "masochism", or rather a woman's desire to submit. It's less about being an asshole though and more about being domineering and having confidence. Just take responsibility for your actions and become a "cultured thug".


yes but why do you assume that 'jerks' are the best people to submit to?

Wouldn't there be a better option. She needs a real man there buddy.
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A jerk has its own appeal that only women can understand by their feeling
Everyone should be a jerk sometimes tbh
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