Shingeki no Kyojin Chapter 121 Discussion

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So, uh, guys. What if Eren's going to end up "fixing" this situation by, you know.
Making a deal?

It can't be a biiit coincidental that the Devil in the picture's got half a thumb/'s thumb isn't completely shown, just like how Eren's thumb was torn off as he escaped the chains to chase after Ymir right?
... No way, Isayama isn't THIS much of a madman, is he?

Sep 8, 2019 12:19 AM

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Modernoir said:
So, uh, guys. What if Eren's going to end up "fixing" this situation by, you know.
Making a deal?

It can't be a biiit coincidental that the Devil in the picture's got half a thumb/'s thumb isn't completely shown, just like how Eren's thumb was torn off as he escaped the chains to chase after Ymir right?
... No way, Isayama isn't THIS much of a madman, is he?

And now that the series is ending and we haven't seen anything of Historia and her child, I'm actually thinking that Historia's child is going to be Ymir (and she will have that name because of Titan Ymir, whom will get her name also because of historical Ymir, lol).

About the thumb thing I dunno... because in the anime the demon's have his whole thumb (and the anime is supervised by Isayama), so, or someone made a mistake and no one noticed or care in the anime or it is just a coincidence.

Sep 8, 2019 5:52 AM

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Meanwhile Mikasa torturing Gabi until she dies in must painful way possible.Or atleast I fantasize about her doing it.

(I'm okay with choking her too, just do it)

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Sep 8, 2019 1:01 PM

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Luciberi said:
look at this moment in the first chapter

and now look at this moment in the latest chapter

it's in the first fucking chapter. Grisha is looking at adult Eren.

Good eye i wonder how many more events will be explained by future erens influence

Sep 8, 2019 7:56 PM

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Hajime Isayama’s Message in Bessatsu Shonen Magazine October 2019 Issue

“Ten years of snk serialization. That is about 1/3 of my life. Much thanks to my readers!”

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Sep 8, 2019 8:15 PM

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So Eren planned this whole thing four years ago. I think after this chapter he’s definitely my favorite protagonist. Allow me throw my two cents on how this all works.

It’s already been established that Titans & the Eldians are connected beyond space & time. The evidence includes: how the 9 Titan are randomly passed if a holder dies to another Eldian, how the Founding Titan erased the memories of the Eldians in the wall but not the Ackerman’s, how in the anime the Owl (Eren’s namesake) had Eren’s memories,etc. That last one shows how future memories are passed on to the past (it’s also foreshadowed in the VERY FIRST EPISODE: To You, in 2000 Years: The Fall of Shiganshina, Part 1. The scene right after the opening). Attack Titan can send memories back to previous holders. This is how Grisha knew where Zeke was watching his memories from. We learn in this chapter that this future sight is specific to the Attack Titan holders. It’s also the reason the Attack Titan is the way it is (referring to Owl’s speech on how it seeks freedom). Anyway once Eren’s was able to memory surf after pledging to Historia (remember that time is basically a nonfactor once Coordinate activates) he learns everything and sets his plan in motion. Including using the Attack Titan to deliver specific memories to his father to instigate him into action.

That’s my understanding. Time travel or time anything stories can get confusing depending on your experience with them. This one requires a lot of recollection of past foreshadowing & recently explained mechanics. Still I loved this chapter. Shows very good forethought into the story

Sep 9, 2019 6:21 AM

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@LoneWalkers https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/d1q0v9/manga_spoilers_the_complete_guide_to_chapter_121/

Sep 9, 2019 6:33 AM

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Laid-back said:
Meanwhile Mikasa torturing Gabi until she dies in must painful way possible.Or atleast I fantasize about her doing it.

(I'm okay with choking her too, just do it)

Imagine fantasizing about a child getting murdered, l m a o. Do the people who constantly post about wanting Gabi to die not realize how sick they actually sound? From the point of view of a Marleyan, she is doing nothing wrong, she lost one of the closest and kindest people in her life and was face-to-face with the biggest monster who could potentially destroy the whole world. She doesn't know Eren like the readers do, she did absolutely NOTHING wrong in shooting to kill him.

Remember Gross's speech on how humans are hypocritical because they find cruelty entertaining and that completely justified his behavior, and how we all found that gross? (sorry not sorry). It's always funny to me to see how hypocritical people are in regards to that whole part when I've seen so many people cheer over Bertholdt's death/romanticizing and fantasizing about how Gabi should get beheaded or killed slowly. Like, geez, she's a child, she's practically the Marley equivalent of Eren in terms of her determination and her overwhelming desire to fight to protect those she loves.

Sep 9, 2019 7:15 AM

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Anokata-DD said:
@LoneWalkers https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/d1q0v9/manga_spoilers_the_complete_guide_to_chapter_121/

It explains some of the mechanism of the powers, but how does it explain the questions asked before? It's already made clear that Grisha's decision was influenced through seeing the future memories, something that won't have happened in the normal course of timeline.

Anyway this also gives rise to the question, how did Eren become so much knowledgeable about these powers? Not even Grisha knew so much information about this.~

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Sep 9, 2019 12:58 PM

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Modernoir said:

Laid-back said:
Meanwhile Mikasa torturing Gabi until she dies in must painful way possible.Or atleast I fantasize about her doing it.

(I'm okay with choking her too, just do it)

Imagine fantasizing about a child getting murdered, l m a o. Do the people who constantly post about wanting Gabi to die not realize how sick they actually sound? From the point of view of a Marleyan, she is doing nothing wrong, she lost one of the closest and kindest people in her life and was face-to-face with the biggest monster who could potentially destroy the whole world. She doesn't know Eren like the readers do, she did absolutely NOTHING wrong in shooting to kill him.

Remember Gross's speech on how humans are hypocritical because they find cruelty entertaining and that completely justified his behavior, and how we all found that gross? (sorry not sorry). It's always funny to me to see how hypocritical people are in regards to that whole part when I've seen so many people cheer over Bertholdt's death/romanticizing and fantasizing about how Gabi should get beheaded or killed slowly. Like, geez, she's a child, she's practically the Marley equivalent of Eren in terms of her determination and her overwhelming desire to fight to protect those she loves.

Did I ever talk about Eren being okay or something like that?Stop assuming shit and talking nonsense.If we are talking about being hypocrite, Eren is child too, he should be okay in your eyes.At least be consistent.

I don't like how Gabi acts without reason(unless you find it reasonable to kill Eren just cause you want to make certain person feel same as you) or logic.She is just an idiot who does whatever she finds fit in her twisted mind in the moment.An irritating, ignorant, idiot.

None of your arguments makes any fucking sense, killing someone just to take revenge is fine cuz she wants to protect her "loved ones"?Give me a break, it is not even relevant to this or her earlier actions.As I said, she is self-centred and stupid.None of her actions makes any sense unless she is a psycho which might be possible.

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Sep 9, 2019 1:26 PM

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LoneWalkers said:

Anokata-DD said:
@LoneWalkers https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/d1q0v9/manga_spoilers_the_complete_guide_to_chapter_121/

Anyway this also gives rise to the question, how did Eren become so much knowledgeable about these powers? Not even Grisha knew so much information about this.~

He's known about the abilities of the Founding Titan since the end of Season 3 of the anime. The revelation about being able to access its power via a titan of royal blood (Dina) gave him a strong indication of what he would require in future to gain access to its power in future.

Through Grisha's memory of his conversation with Krueger, he also discovered that the Founding Titan has the ability to manipulate memories when Krueger explained that Kind Fritz erased the memories of his people over 100 years ago.

When he kissed Historia's hand, he also discovered through his father's memories that the attack titan has the ability to peer into the future using the memories of its successor(s).

Sep 9, 2019 2:18 PM

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xenosys said:

LoneWalkers said:

Anyway this also gives rise to the question, how did Eren become so much knowledgeable about these powers? Not even Grisha knew so much information about this.~

Through Grisha's memory of his conversation with Krueger, he also discovered that the Founding Titan has the ability to manipulate memories when Krueger explained that Kind Fritz erased the memories of his people over 100 years ago.

That's the problem, other parts are already known anyway. Isn't that too far-fetched considering that Fritz did that years ago?

Think there is more to this, that Eren probably calculated it when he noticed that Grisha could see Zeke in last chapter. Might be wrong, though. ~

Sep 9, 2019 4:32 PM

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What the hell... is going on? Yeah, I still like it, even though this is getting way out of hands...

Also PS: Go, Eren, go! FIGHT!

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Sep 10, 2019 12:15 AM

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Laid-back said:

Modernoir said:

Imagine fantasizing about a child getting murdered, l m a o. Do the people who constantly post about wanting Gabi to die not realize how sick they actually sound? From the point of view of a Marleyan, she is doing nothing wrong, she lost one of the closest and kindest people in her life and was face-to-face with the biggest monster who could potentially destroy the whole world. She doesn't know Eren like the readers do, she did absolutely NOTHING wrong in shooting to kill him.

Remember Gross's speech on how humans are hypocritical because they find cruelty entertaining and that completely justified his behavior, and how we all found that gross? (sorry not sorry). It's always funny to me to see how hypocritical people are in regards to that whole part when I've seen so many people cheer over Bertholdt's death/romanticizing and fantasizing about how Gabi should get beheaded or killed slowly. Like, geez, she's a child, she's practically the Marley equivalent of Eren in terms of her determination and her overwhelming desire to fight to protect those she loves.

Did I ever talk about Eren being okay or something like that?Stop assuming shit and talking nonsense.If we are talking about being hypocrite, Eren is child too, he should be okay in your eyes.At least be consistent.

I don't like how Gabi acts without reason(unless you find it reasonable to kill Eren just cause you want to make certain person feel same as you) or logic.She is just an idiot who does whatever she finds fit in her twisted mind in the moment.An irritating, ignorant, idiot.

None of your arguments makes any fucking sense, killing someone just to take revenge is fine cuz she wants to protect her "loved ones"?Give me a break, it is not even relevant to this or her earlier actions.As I said, she is self-centred and stupid.None of her actions makes any sense unless she is a psycho which might be possible.

Irn Bruh. The whole point of the series is that NONE of the characters are morally black/white, every character is on the gray spectrum. That's why it completely boggles my mind why people are so consistent on shitting on Gabi when her character makes perfect sense. What do you mean she acts without reason? How is her wanting to kill Eren unreasonable? He's the one who literally started the war against Marley by attacking the country and getting some of her friends killed in front of her own eyes. And now she has even MORE justification for targeting Eren, thanks to the whole thing between him and Zeke Colt was burnt to death right in front of her eyes, and not only that, if Eren succeeds in his plan it's almost guaranteed Marley and potentially the rest of the world will be destroyed thanks to the Rumbling.

How in the bloody hell is Gabi NOT justified in doing what she's done so far? She killed Sasha, sure, but she's gone through an entire arc of development thanks to the Eldians who helped open her eyes to seeing that they aren't just a race of Devils and that nothing in their world is even close to being so black-and-white. She's a fucking child, her hatred for Eldians was primarily influenced by the brainwashing of the Marleyans, and that's started to finally come undone in the past few chapters. How on earth is she not justified in wanting to kill Eren when he threatens not only her friends, family, and her home country, but the entire damn world with the Rumbling? It's completely ridiculous to my how people keep pushing the meme that Gabi deserves a horrible death when she hasn't done anything worse than the other characters we're ROOTING for. She's like the equivalent of Eren but on the Marley side, who arguably at this point is much more morally sound than Eren is. This isn't discrediting either character, if anything I think Isayama has done an absolutely fantastic job at writing Gabi as a character to display the effects of war propaganda on children and an even better job at writing Eren to be one of the most surprisingly complex protagonists I've seen in years.

Sep 10, 2019 6:47 AM

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Modernoir said:

Laid-back said:

Did I ever talk about Eren being okay or something like that?Stop assuming shit and talking nonsense.If we are talking about being hypocrite, Eren is child too, he should be okay in your eyes.At least be consistent.

I don't like how Gabi acts without reason(unless you find it reasonable to kill Eren just cause you want to make certain person feel same as you) or logic.She is just an idiot who does whatever she finds fit in her twisted mind in the moment.An irritating, ignorant, idiot.

None of your arguments makes any fucking sense, killing someone just to take revenge is fine cuz she wants to protect her "loved ones"?Give me a break, it is not even relevant to this or her earlier actions.As I said, she is self-centred and stupid.None of her actions makes any sense unless she is a psycho which might be possible.

Irn Bruh. The whole point of the series is that NONE of the characters are morally black/white, every character is on the gray spectrum. That's why it completely boggles my mind why people are so consistent on shitting on Gabi when her character makes perfect sense. What do you mean she acts without reason? How is her wanting to kill Eren unreasonable? He's the one who literally started the war against Marley by attacking the country and getting some of her friends killed in front of her own eyes. And now she has even MORE justification for targeting Eren, thanks to the whole thing between him and Zeke Colt was burnt to death right in front of her eyes, and not only that, if Eren succeeds in his plan it's almost guaranteed Marley and potentially the rest of the world will be destroyed thanks to the Rumbling.

How in the bloody hell is Gabi NOT justified in doing what she's done so far? She killed Sasha, sure, but she's gone through an entire arc of development thanks to the Eldians who helped open her eyes to seeing that they aren't just a race of Devils and that nothing in their world is even close to being so black-and-white. She's a fucking child, her hatred for Eldians was primarily influenced by the brainwashing of the Marleyans, and that's started to finally come undone in the past few chapters. How on earth is she not justified in wanting to kill Eren when he threatens not only her friends, family, and her home country, but the entire damn world with the Rumbling? It's completely ridiculous to my how people keep pushing the meme that Gabi deserves a horrible death when she hasn't done anything worse than the other characters we're ROOTING for. She's like the equivalent of Eren but on the Marley side, who arguably at this point is much more morally sound than Eren is. This isn't discrediting either character, if anything I think Isayama has done an absolutely fantastic job at writing Gabi as a character to display the effects of war propaganda on children and an even better job at writing Eren to be one of the most surprisingly complex protagonists I've seen in years.

First of all, my earlier reply to you looks harsher when I look back, sorry if it sounds insulting at you.I didn't mean that way.

Second, you are taking things too lightly in my standpoint.Yeah she was brainwashed by her goverment but it still doesn't justify her actions.This is like accepting every sociopath in society because they had harsh childhood.No, she was brainwashed or not, what she did was unacceptable in my eyes.Her walking around without real consequences to what she did irks me every chapter.

Then we come to 'killing' Eren, she knows that what Eren did to her country was repercussion.Even then she still insist on her stupid ideas.She doesn't know what Eren is doing in limbo right now, so what Eren doing is not a reason for her killing him.She just connects her everlasting wish of killing Eren with her anger to Zeke and kills him without a logical reason.Believe me, I'm not a Eren fan either, if her reasoning was acceptable I would not even blink an eye.But no, she is self-centered in her thinking process as ever.

When we look at Eren or other pivotal characters in this series, most of them act for greater things than their personal vendettas or objectives.So even if you can't accept them as a whole, you can kinda understand their reasoning in trying to live up to expectations of a nation or trying to achieve some kind of world peace.

And here we are, at the center of things, we got Gabi, who does whatever she wants without even trying to understand the world she lives in.(She threw everything about understanding Eldian's out of window when she shoot Eren in the fucking head.She still loves her country even after she knows what they did.If she is not, then this is further proof that she lost her mind, killing somebody just to take revenge...)

I'm %100 behind my earlier words about her.She is the most annoying character in this manga, by far.

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Sep 10, 2019 8:45 AM

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The freaking writing is incredible. Some of the best fiction I've read honestly, I love the way Isayama is keeping the whole concept of paths an enigma. It shows he knows what he's doing, explaining paths would be time consuming and also wouldn't be very beneficial to the series. Also I like this mysterious aspect of paths, it's very similar to what Christopher Nolan did in Interstellar but it's executed much better and it's been foreshadowed for a very long time.

Sep 10, 2019 9:41 AM

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Just gonna point out one thing (assuming this wasn't posted here before),The Attack Titan's ability to peer into the past and future is similar to Greensight, particularly that of the Three-Eyed Raven explored in Season 6 of Game of Thrones.

After all Isayama once said GOT will influence his work.

Sep 10, 2019 3:18 PM

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What a chapter. To think that Eren had a hand in having Grisha murder the Reiss family.

Honestly, both eren’s and zeke’s respective plans are not good.

Sep 11, 2019 6:09 AM

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Arjuna777 said:
Just gonna point out one thing (assuming this wasn't posted here before),The Attack Titan's ability to peer into the past and future is similar to Greensight, particularly that of the Three-Eyed Raven explored in Season 6 of Game of Thrones.

After all Isayama once said GOT will influence his work.

nice thing to notice,
Isayama eventually named a chapter "Children of the forest " inspired by GOT

Sep 11, 2019 5:41 PM

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What ever this might be
All my speculations, survey, every chapter is so connected and well built.
Take it
Isayama is a PRODIGY!

Sep 12, 2019 6:22 AM

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For those still confused about stuff, definitely would recommend giving this underrated youtuber a watch, his most recent video covers the recent massive twists/infodumps quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNTSwzGb3pc

Sep 12, 2019 7:50 AM

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This chapter was amazing. I've read it every day over the past 5 days. To think once upon a time there were people on here saying Eren was a failed shonen protagonist that never changed. Oh, man. Isayama is a genius and Eren is one of the best main characters ever created.

After this, it crossed my mind in the first half of the series, I think Jean and Mikasa are going to end up together.

Sep 12, 2019 8:44 PM

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Stories dealing with time usually end as shit or a masterpiece. Since Isayama planed the rough details up to the ending, hopefully it will be a masterpiece.

Sep 12, 2019 8:51 PM

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Laid-back said:

Modernoir said:

Laid-back said:

Modernoir said:

Laid-back said:
Meanwhile Mikasa torturing Gabi until she dies in must painful way possible.Or atleast I fantasize about her doing it.

(I'm okay with choking her too, just do it)

Imagine fantasizing about a child getting murdered, l m a o. Do the people who constantly post about wanting Gabi to die not realize how sick they actually sound? From the point of view of a Marleyan, she is doing nothing wrong, she lost one of the closest and kindest people in her life and was face-to-face with the biggest monster who could potentially destroy the whole world. She doesn't know Eren like the readers do, she did absolutely NOTHING wrong in shooting to kill him.

Remember Gross's speech on how humans are hypocritical because they find cruelty entertaining and that completely justified his behavior, and how we all found that gross? (sorry not sorry). It's always funny to me to see how hypocritical people are in regards to that whole part when I've seen so many people cheer over Bertholdt's death/romanticizing and fantasizing about how Gabi should get beheaded or killed slowly. Like, geez, she's a child, she's practically the Marley equivalent of Eren in terms of her determination and her overwhelming desire to fight to protect those she loves.

Did I ever talk about Eren being okay or something like that?Stop assuming shit and talking nonsense.If we are talking about being hypocrite, Eren is child too, he should be okay in your eyes.At least be consistent.

I don't like how Gabi acts without reason(unless you find it reasonable to kill Eren just cause you want to make certain person feel same as you) or logic.She is just an idiot who does whatever she finds fit in her twisted mind in the moment.An irritating, ignorant, idiot.

None of your arguments makes any fucking sense, killing someone just to take revenge is fine cuz she wants to protect her "loved ones"?Give me a break, it is not even relevant to this or her earlier actions.As I said, she is self-centred and stupid.None of her actions makes any sense unless she is a psycho which might be possible.

Irn Bruh. The whole point of the series is that NONE of the characters are morally black/white, every character is on the gray spectrum. That's why it completely boggles my mind why people are so consistent on shitting on Gabi when her character makes perfect sense. What do you mean she acts without reason? How is her wanting to kill Eren unreasonable? He's the one who literally started the war against Marley by attacking the country and getting some of her friends killed in front of her own eyes. And now she has even MORE justification for targeting Eren, thanks to the whole thing between him and Zeke Colt was burnt to death right in front of her eyes, and not only that, if Eren succeeds in his plan it's almost guaranteed Marley and potentially the rest of the world will be destroyed thanks to the Rumbling.

How in the bloody hell is Gabi NOT justified in doing what she's done so far? She killed Sasha, sure, but she's gone through an entire arc of development thanks to the Eldians who helped open her eyes to seeing that they aren't just a race of Devils and that nothing in their world is even close to being so black-and-white. She's a fucking child, her hatred for Eldians was primarily influenced by the brainwashing of the Marleyans, and that's started to finally come undone in the past few chapters. How on earth is she not justified in wanting to kill Eren when he threatens not only her friends, family, and her home country, but the entire damn world with the Rumbling? It's completely ridiculous to my how people keep pushing the meme that Gabi deserves a horrible death when she hasn't done anything worse than the other characters we're ROOTING for. She's like the equivalent of Eren but on the Marley side, who arguably at this point is much more morally sound than Eren is. This isn't discrediting either character, if anything I think Isayama has done an absolutely fantastic job at writing Gabi as a character to display the effects of war propaganda on children and an even better job at writing Eren to be one of the most surprisingly complex protagonists I've seen in years.

First of all, my earlier reply to you looks harsher when I look back, sorry if it sounds insulting at you.I didn't mean that way.

Second, you are taking things too lightly in my standpoint.Yeah she was brainwashed by her goverment but it still doesn't justify her actions.This is like accepting every sociopath in society because they had harsh childhood.No, she was brainwashed or not, what she did was unacceptable in my eyes.Her walking around without real consequences to what she did irks me every chapter.

Then we come to 'killing' Eren, she knows that what Eren did to her country was repercussion.Even then she still insist on her stupid ideas.She doesn't know what Eren is doing in limbo right now, so what Eren doing is not a reason for her killing him.She just connects her everlasting wish of killing Eren with her anger to Zeke and kills him without a logical reason.Believe me, I'm not a Eren fan either, if her reasoning was acceptable I would not even blink an eye.But no, she is self-centered in her thinking process as ever.

When we look at Eren or other pivotal characters in this series, most of them act for greater things than their personal vendettas or objectives.So even if you can't accept them as a whole, you can kinda understand their reasoning in trying to live up to expectations of a nation or trying to achieve some kind of world peace.

And here we are, at the center of things, we got Gabi, who does whatever she wants without even trying to understand the world she lives in.(She threw everything about understanding Eldian's out of window when she shoot Eren in the fucking head.She still loves her country even after she knows what they did.If she is not, then this is further proof that she lost her mind, killing somebody just to take revenge...)

I'm %100 behind my earlier words about her.She is the most annoying character in this manga, by far.

Until you realize that Eren is doing the exact same thing (genociding everyone other than eldians) for his ideals (selfishness) I love Eren and hate Gabi just because I followed Eren's story not because anyone is right

Sep 13, 2019 1:27 AM

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How in the bloody hell is Gabi NOT justified in doing what she's done so far? She killed Sasha

And we should all salute her for finally eliminating one of the most pointless characters of the series. :-)

Laid-back said:
Then we come to 'killing' Eren, she knows that what Eren did to her country was repercussion.Even then she still insist on her stupid ideas.

Well you could easily turn that argument around. The Eldians in Paradise being eaten by titans is repercussion for their past sins. So Eren fighting against that is his stupid idea.

But the truth is, as you said yourself:

Laid-back said:
She doesn't know what Eren is doing

All she knows is that Eren killed some of her best friends and fellow Eldians of her ghetto. That is all the truth she needs to despite him.
As all the truth Eren needs is to despite the people wo killed his mother and try to suppress his and his friends freedom.

Laid-back said:
When we look at Eren or other pivotal characters in this series, most of them act for greater things than their personal vendettas or objectives.So even if you can't accept them as a whole, you can kinda understand their reasoning in trying to live up to expectations of a nation or trying to achieve some kind of world peace.

Well eradicating all the eldians on Paradise and conquer all other nations so that Marley is the only nation in the world would de facto mean for world piece. So viewed from this perspective what Gabi does is in fact for the greater good.

Laid-back said:
And here we are, at the center of things, we got Gabi, who does whatever she wants without even trying to understand the world she lives in.(She threw everything about understanding Eldian's out of window when she shoot Eren in the fucking head.She still loves her country even after she knows what they did.If she is not, then this is further proof that she lost her mind, killing somebody just to take revenge...)

What exactly does she know? She heard some things at third hand. Could be true, could be bull. The only thing she really knows is that Eren is dangerous because she has suffered his wrath firsthand.
Would you believe me if i said to you that everyone you trust saing the world is round is lying and the reality is that it is flat? I dont't whink you would.
So why should Gabi believe the things some random strangers tell her or she overhears in some contextless conversations? I think you are judging her too much from an all-knowing perspective of the reader instead of her actual character.

Sep 16, 2019 8:10 AM

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What an uninspired mess. So basically Eren is the Kwisatz Haderach. Too much Dune reference. I had hoped for something fun and instead was served this... everyone being influenced back then sounds interesting but it mostly made me go O RLY?! Sounds to me more like a convenient way too reinterpret scenes and explain plot holes. Time travel stories seldom work and I wonder why the hell he wants to go down that route.

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Sep 16, 2019 8:59 AM

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huntress1013 said:
What an uninspired mess. So basically Eren is the Kwisatz Haderach. Too much Dune reference. I had hoped for something fun and instead was served this... everyone being influenced back then sounds interesting but it mostly made me go O RLY?! Sounds to me more like a convenient way too reinterpret scenes and explain plot holes. Time travel stories seldom work and I wonder why the hell he wants to go down that route.

Well, time travel theories has been around since the beginning of the series, because of that Eren scene in the first chapter and the title saying "to you in 2000 years from now"

There has been other hints of time travel as well, but I know that some persons hate any time travel elements in any story.

Sep 16, 2019 9:02 AM

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keragamming said:

huntress1013 said:
What an uninspired mess. So basically Eren is the Kwisatz Haderach. Too much Dune reference. I had hoped for something fun and instead was served this... everyone being influenced back then sounds interesting but it mostly made me go O RLY?! Sounds to me more like a convenient way too reinterpret scenes and explain plot holes. Time travel stories seldom work and I wonder why the hell he wants to go down that route.

Well, time travel theories has been around since the beginning of the series, because of that Eren scene in the first chapter and the title saying "to you in 2000 years from now"

There has been other hints of time travel as well, but I know that some persons hate any time travel elements in any story.

I know, I know and I actually like it but I was hoping for something smarter and meaner than this. This just feels.. clunky.

Sep 16, 2019 1:52 PM

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I didn't read all the comments of this post so I don't know if somebody already pointed this out. But what I'm really worried about is that Mikasa is on a time loop, if you re-read chapters 1, 2 and the one where Eren saves her (btw, seems like Eren was sending his memories to that time when he was imprisoned), she is all like, "this again" "I already saw this". And she had headaches before saying this, just like the first times Eren remembers about the basement.
She is not a subject of Ymir so I don't think she will be the next Attack Titan, but while Eren is manipulating the past from the future it seems that, somehow, maybe with the help of the asian nation, Mikasa is looping her life to save Eren from his fate.

Sep 19, 2019 5:49 AM

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huntress1013 said:
What an uninspired mess. So basically Eren is the Kwisatz Haderach. Too much Dune reference. I had hoped for something fun and instead was served this... everyone being influenced back then sounds interesting but it mostly made me go O RLY?! Sounds to me more like a convenient way too reinterpret scenes and explain plot holes. Time travel stories seldom work and I wonder why the hell he wants to go down that route.

The chapter didnt clear any plotholes cause in AoT there arent any plotholes that need explaining. What are you talking about? "Reinterpreting scenes" does not mean seeing new scenes btw

Sep 21, 2019 5:44 PM

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I'm well behind on the series and not in a rush to catch up. Can someone just give me the gist of what's actually going on?

Just keeping it simple, there's some plot twist or something?

Sep 21, 2019 5:49 PM

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scabab said:
I'm well behind on the series and not in a rush to catch up. Can someone just give me the gist of what's actually going on?

Just keeping it simple, there's some plot twist or something?

This plot twist rival the basement plot twist especially because it is something that most persons didn't see coming.

Sep 21, 2019 5:50 PM

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keragamming said:

scabab said:
I'm well behind on the series and not in a rush to catch up. Can someone just give me the gist of what's actually going on?

Just keeping it simple, there's some plot twist or something?

This plot twist rival the basement plot twist especially because it is something that most persons didn't see coming.

And what is this twist?

Sep 21, 2019 5:55 PM

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scabab said:

keragamming said:

This plot twist rival the basement plot twist especially because it is something that most persons didn't see coming.

And what is this twist?

Why would you want to be spoil? Would it not be better if you read it yourself?

Sep 21, 2019 5:57 PM

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keragamming said:
Why would you want to be spoil? Would it not be better if you read it yourself?

I'll more than likely forget anyway and if anything it might make be start reading again as I lost interest last year.

Sep 21, 2019 5:59 PM

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scabab said:

keragamming said:
Why would you want to be spoil? Would it not be better if you read it yourself?

I'll more than likely forget anyway and if anything it might make be start reading again as I lost interest last year.

A quick way to sum it up is that basically Eren is the mastermind behind it all.

Sep 21, 2019 6:03 PM

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keragamming said:
A quick way to sum it up is that basically Eren is the mastermind behind it all.

What counts as "all"? Like he's the one behind why the Titans are on the island? Is he actually a villain this whole time or something?

Sep 21, 2019 6:23 PM

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