Rascal Does Not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai (light novel)
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Dec 17, 2018 10:25 AM
#1
| Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. |
DumpsterKingDec 18, 2018 11:34 AM
Dec 17, 2018 11:11 AM
#2
| Would anything we say in response to your post encourage you to pick up the series again, or is it a lost cause? |
| Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Dec 17, 2018 11:15 AM
#3
Spannerhead said: Probably not but, I'm always open to discussion.Would anything we say in response to your post encourage you to pick up the series again, or is it a lost cause? |
Dec 17, 2018 11:26 AM
#4
DumpsterKing said: Spannerhead said: Probably not but, I'm always open to discussion.Would anything we say in response to your post encourage you to pick up the series again, or is it a lost cause? I doubt anyone would be willing to waste their time on a point-by-point rebuttal unless there's the chance you would change your mind. Sorry. |
boldulyssesDec 17, 2018 11:50 AM
| Away from the things of man, my love, away from the things of man. |
Dec 17, 2018 11:31 AM
#5
| Don't forget how there is literally 0 originality in the show. This show is below average for me as well. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Dec 17, 2018 11:38 AM
#6
Spannerhead said: DumpsterKing said: Spannerhead said: Would anything we say in response to your post encourage you to pick up the series again, or is it a lost cause? I doubt anyone would be willing to waste their time on a point-by-point rebuttal unless there's the chance you would change you mind. Sorry. Then just say the point you most disagree with |
Dec 17, 2018 4:18 PM
#7
| why do people come on these threads to tell them they don't need to justify themselves, when they could have just ignored this thread in the first place if they didn't care lol anyway, i agree with pretty much everything you said |
Dec 17, 2018 6:02 PM
#8
| Honestly, I feel the same way. Just like how you mentioned the banter between Sakuta and Mai, I now realize that was really all that was driving me to keep watching the first several episodes. I was really intrigued by the premise but having watched Oregairu and Bakemonogatari already, I felt like this show tried to emulate both a little too much without doing enough to stand on its own. The logic and conclusions behind the pseudo-science/superstition felt jumbled and I pretty much had to take it at face value. Of which would be passable if it were say a shounen or action show of some sort, but its not. Anyhoo, hopefully this acts as a little vindication for you. Cheers. |
Dec 17, 2018 6:54 PM
#9
| I see you complaining about people don't discussing about your post, but to be fair, your post doesn't make it easy to start a discussion. Let's take as an example the first paragraph, that is basically smth like: "I don't like it because it didn't convey emotions to me", well guess what it's pretty fucking subjective. How's that even an argument? It's just your biased opinion. An just to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong or bad or smth, just saying it's not smth that allows a discussion to begin. It didn't connect to you? Perfectly fine, everyone is different and not every anime works for everyone, but other than saying it actually worked for me, there's not a lot more to say. The rest of the post are other biased personal feelings about the show and some wrong complains about character being not deep enough when you literally dropped the show before they had the chance of being developed (Pretending every character in the story to be perfectly characterized at episode 5 sounds just insane to me) Not to say that every problem you bring up about the characters gets fixed as the show goes on, but a fairy amount of it does. An interesting point I see you making about the characters that doesn't get fixed is about the protagonist, not the only one but I don't want to take the trouble of analyzing every character in the show, anyway: "The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has." That's actually true, I found him to be a rather shallow character, the way he faces so many hardships without a doubt or hesitation while being a teeneger is just unreal and it's more to give him a "badass aura" rather than creating a complex and deep character, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. Lemme explain; his character may be shallow and surreal, but no rule says a character needs to be deep and realistic in the first place. Actually it's quite the opposite, take a look for example at some of the most popular characters on mal (Light yagami, Luffy and so on...) they're not "well characterized" by any means but who cares, most of the people are looking for appealing characters rather than good ones and I'm not saying it to look down on people, I genuinely like a lot of those characters myself. It's just that not all of them are appealing to you and it sucks when they don't because what you're left with is just a bad character you don't even like, which is your specific problem with the series I guess. But still, the ultimate goal of an anime is just to appeal to its audience, if that specific anime didn't worked on you you just have to move to the next one. (Just for the records, I don't personally like him too much, but at the same time I don't think I despite him either. And of course, as for any badass characters, there were sporadic moments where I was actually engaged by his attitude.) The only point you made I can completely agree with is about the pacing, which is pretty much my main problem with the show (and I'm actually a fan of the series) The pacing is rushed as fuck, and it keeps getting more rushed as the show goes on (so I wouldn't recommend to you to go back and finish the show). But that's only natural when you adapt 5 LN volumes in 13 episodes, not that it's meant to be an excuse, it really sucks. But I still wouldn't say it's enough to make the story bad or unwatchable by any means. In a nutshell; I understand why some people don't like it because it definitely has its flaws, I just don't mind them, if you do, wise decision you dropped it |
Dec 17, 2018 10:18 PM
#10
vhagar8 said: I see you complaining about people don't discuss your post, but to be fair, your post doesn't make it easy to start a discussion. Let's take as an example the first paragraph, that is basically smth like: "I don't like it because it didn't convey emotions to me", well guess what it's pretty fucking subjective. How's that even an argument? It's just your biased opinion. A just to clarify I'm not saying it's wrong or bad or smth, just saying it's not smth that allows a discussion to begin. It didn't connect to you? Perfectly fine, everyone is different and not every anime works for everyone, but other than saying it actually worked for me, there's not a lot more to say. The rest of the post are other biased personal feelings about the show and some wrong complains about the character is not deep enough when you literally dropped the show before they had the chance of being developed (Pretending every character in the story to be perfectly characterized at episode 5 sounds just insane to me) The way I approach watching anime is that after a few episodes if I see too many signs of what is define as bad writing, I drop it. If someone can point out how I've just missed something in the first 5 episodes, or I'm approaching something wrong then, that would mean I can rewatch it with a different mindset. If they point out something about the next arc that they think fulfils my requirements then I'm open to continuing. |
Dec 18, 2018 6:57 AM
#11
Dec 18, 2018 9:42 AM
#12
| This thread really highlights the brain dead people on this site, not talking about OP simply trying to discuss something. Alright 1. "fails to convince me of genuine feelings." opinions nothing really to add. 2. The "solutions" You don't like the main character saving the day even though he's doing that for romantic reasons? i mean its a romance anime. Yeah its kindoff generic but i think that's what you should expect with an anime like this. As for the supernatural side (including the science crap), you're correct they barely even try to make much sense of why these things are happening and the characters themselves barely care either. 3. Pace Seems normal, one story ends another starts doesn't seem rushed to me. One of the first episodes had him talking about his sister which obviously ment the story would go back to that topic later in the anime. 4. characters Nothing to say all the characters beside the 2 main ones are trash. "In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching." This is exactly why i'm still watching and also the reason i really still like this anime a lot. i suggest anyone who doesn't care for the main characters to simply drop it because they are the only reason its so damn enjoyable. |
Dec 18, 2018 10:54 AM
#13
| Your whole post is pretty much "I didn't like this anime because of A and B". It's ok opinion in itself, but pretty weak discussion starter and even weaker review material if you aspire to sound serious. I more or less agree with what @vhagar8 wrote. I don't really feel like writting a wall of text right now. |
Dec 18, 2018 11:30 AM
#14
Terkhev said: Your whole post is pretty much "I didn't like this anime because of A and B". It's ok opinion in itself, but pretty weak discussion starter and even weaker review material if you aspire to sound serious. I more or less agree with what @vhagar8 wrote. I don't really feel like writing a wall of text right now. I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. |
Dec 18, 2018 10:23 PM
#15
| I think that's a fair review, some points you brought up are spot on, especially on the characters, the directing and the music. I also have my own problems with this show, such as: 1- When the MCs are too strong and mature there's no room for development, no one goes through any changes for the whole show, which is weird since it focuses on characters overcoming their personal conflicts. 2- The "puberty syndrome" is too vague and diverse there's nothing that defines it, like if someone travels through time for example, how do you know this is a "puberty syndrome" and not another kind of supernatural (or scientific) occurrence? I know this is just a nitpick, but it's annoying when they spend time trying to explain things but in the end it's just supernatural and doesn't work in a certain way. 3- Being a light novel adaptation, as always, means that it has to follow the harem formula, every arc has to involve a girl that the MC helps in some way, and they all have to do unnecessary things, like taking a bath or changing clothes in his presence, that shit usually happens for escapism purposes apparently, but in this case it just feels uncomfortable because the MC already has a girlfriend. 4- All arcs so far were resolved in ways that are anticlimactic and/or don't make any sense, Sakuta remembers Mai because she helped him study? Her own mother can't remember giving birth to her, and that somehow had enough impact on him? I think the problem lies more on how all of the issues these characters were facing are just first world problems that don't matter much anyway, if such problems can cause a "puberty syndrome" then what about people with more serious issues? Anyway the show is not bad in any way, it's just not that good, and everything it's trying to do was already done better in other shows. I know I could've wrote my own review but I'm too lazy to do that, instead I just wanted to write some of my thoughts, I hope you don't mind that. Also some of the stupid comments here made me want to write my own so you don't regret making this review. |
DiabloMaskDec 18, 2018 10:54 PM
Dec 19, 2018 12:06 PM
#16
DumpsterKing said: nobody is gonna kill you for dropping it, but why do you have to write an essays to justify yourself when nobody was gonna bother you in the first place? Waste of time you just wanted to attention.Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:15 PM
#17
| If everyone made threads why they dropped shows MAL would grind to a halt. I've dropped popular shows before but I don't need to explain myself in a long forum post. Write a review, it's far more constructive, otherwise people just think you want attention. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:20 PM
#18
| No one is forcing you to watch it, buddy. But don't act like your opinion about this show is objective. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:30 PM
#19
| Another example of someone grandstanding. |
| Hate Keeps me warm |
Dec 19, 2018 12:31 PM
#20
Crashmatt said: If everyone made threads why they dropped shows MAL would grind to a halt. I've dropped popular shows before but I don't need to explain myself in a long forum post. Write a review, it's far more constructive, otherwise people just think you want attention. If no one would make threads why they dropped a show WITH A PROPER CRITIQUE, only a happy-go-rounds would remain and everyone in pinky glasses... man, utopia for simpletons. |
| Re:formed |
Dec 19, 2018 12:35 PM
#21
Daniel_Naumov said: Crashmatt said: If everyone made threads why they dropped shows MAL would grind to a halt. I've dropped popular shows before but I don't need to explain myself in a long forum post. Write a review, it's far more constructive, otherwise people just think you want attention. If no one would make threads why they dropped a show WITH A PROPER CRITIQUE, only a happy-go-rounds would remain and everyone in pinky glasses... man, utopia for simpletons. Daniel_Naumov said: Crashmatt said: If everyone made threads why they dropped shows MAL would grind to a halt. I've dropped popular shows before but I don't need to explain myself in a long forum post. Write a review, it's far more constructive, otherwise people just think you want attention. If no one would make threads why they dropped a show WITH A PROPER CRITIQUE, only a happy-go-rounds would remain and everyone in pinky glasses... man, utopia for simpletons. So by your logic we should have threads like this on every show? Most people just post on the episode or write a review. It's not edgy or cool to hate popular shows, and for what it's worth I don't agree with a single sentence in the OP |
Dec 19, 2018 12:44 PM
#22
Crashmatt said: Daniel_Naumov said: Crashmatt said: If everyone made threads why they dropped shows MAL would grind to a halt. I've dropped popular shows before but I don't need to explain myself in a long forum post. Write a review, it's far more constructive, otherwise people just think you want attention. If no one would make threads why they dropped a show WITH A PROPER CRITIQUE, only a happy-go-rounds would remain and everyone in pinky glasses... man, utopia for simpletons. Daniel_Naumov said: Crashmatt said: If everyone made threads why they dropped shows MAL would grind to a halt. I've dropped popular shows before but I don't need to explain myself in a long forum post. Write a review, it's far more constructive, otherwise people just think you want attention. If no one would make threads why they dropped a show WITH A PROPER CRITIQUE, only a happy-go-rounds would remain and everyone in pinky glasses... man, utopia for simpletons. So by your logic we should have threads like this on every show? Most people just post on the episode or write a review. It's not edgy or cool to hate popular shows, and for what it's worth I don't agree with a single sentence in the OP That is another thing. If you want to participate in this discussion, you should say why you disagree with his points and try to disprove them. That is a proper answer to critique. |
| Re:formed |
Dec 19, 2018 12:46 PM
#23
King_JP said: DumpsterKing said: nobody is gonna kill you for dropping it, but why do you have to write an essays to justify yourself when nobody was gonna bother you in the first place? Waste of time you just wanted to attention.Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. I'm weird like that, I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:48 PM
#24
Daniel_Naumov said: Crashmatt said: Daniel_Naumov said: Crashmatt said: If everyone made threads why they dropped shows MAL would grind to a halt. I've dropped popular shows before but I don't need to explain myself in a long forum post. Write a review, it's far more constructive, otherwise people just think you want attention. If no one would make threads why they dropped a show WITH A PROPER CRITIQUE, only a happy-go-rounds would remain and everyone in pinky glasses... man, utopia for simpletons. Daniel_Naumov said: Crashmatt said: If everyone made threads why they dropped shows MAL would grind to a halt. I've dropped popular shows before but I don't need to explain myself in a long forum post. Write a review, it's far more constructive, otherwise people just think you want attention. If no one would make threads why they dropped a show WITH A PROPER CRITIQUE, only a happy-go-rounds would remain and everyone in pinky glasses... man, utopia for simpletons. So by your logic we should have threads like this on every show? Most people just post on the episode or write a review. It's not edgy or cool to hate popular shows, and for what it's worth I don't agree with a single sentence in the OP That is another thing. If you want to participate in this discussion, you should say why you disagree with his points and try to disprove them. That is a proper answer to critique. No one is asking him to keep watching it, though. But we don't need him to make literally a public announcement whenever he drops a popular show. Imagine how annoying it would be to see countless public posts of "I dropped SAO cause...." or "I dropped Re:Zero because" or anything of the sort. Like he did not give a clear case of WHY we should listen and buy into his subjective thoughts about the show. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:49 PM
#25
IheartCC said: Another example of someone grandstanding. I honestly don't care what people think of me. I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:50 PM
#26
DumpsterKing said: King_JP said: DumpsterKing said: Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. I'm weird like that, I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Just write a review instead of a whole discussion thread about it. Then people will hear you out.....maybe. At least it won't be half as bad. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:52 PM
#27
Ryuseishun said: DumpsterKing said: King_JP said: DumpsterKing said: nobody is gonna kill you for dropping it, but why do you have to write an essays to justify yourself when nobody was gonna bother you in the first place? Waste of time you just wanted to attention.Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. I'm weird like that, I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Just write a review instead of a whole discussion thread about it. Then people will hear you out.....maybe. At least it won't be half as bad. I'll repeat this line: as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Writing a review wouldn't help me with coming to this realisation. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:55 PM
#28
DumpsterKing said: Ryuseishun said: DumpsterKing said: King_JP said: DumpsterKing said: nobody is gonna kill you for dropping it, but why do you have to write an essays to justify yourself when nobody was gonna bother you in the first place? Waste of time you just wanted to attention.Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. I'm weird like that, I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Just write a review instead of a whole discussion thread about it. Then people will hear you out.....maybe. At least it won't be half as bad. I'll repeat this line: as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Writing a review wouldn't help me with coming to this realisation. Which you could've easily done in writing a review. There is no maximum limit to how much you can input into a review, as long as you don't spoil too much and actually make an analysis instead of trying to directly insult and ridicule the show or any people who like it. You don't have any recognizable excuse to not do that |
Dec 19, 2018 12:56 PM
#29
| You make some valid points. Having said that...if you want beautiful scenery without psychology watch Yuru Camp. Rascal Bunny makes the emotional struggles and personal relationships the priority. Not everybody in life figures out their own problems all of the time. Help is appreciated...and sooner rather than later. |
Dec 19, 2018 12:58 PM
#30
DumpsterKing said: IheartCC said: Another example of someone grandstanding. I honestly don't care what people think of me. I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. I'm not here to discuss since I'm a intolerant biased fan of this series. I'm here to bring you down. Mai-sans enemies are my enemies and I will eliminate them for her. |
IheartCCDec 19, 2018 1:04 PM
| Hate Keeps me warm |
Dec 19, 2018 1:02 PM
#31
Ryuseishun said: DumpsterKing said: Ryuseishun said: DumpsterKing said: King_JP said: DumpsterKing said: nobody is gonna kill you for dropping it, but why do you have to write an essays to justify yourself when nobody was gonna bother you in the first place? Waste of time you just wanted to attention.Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. I'm weird like that, I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Just write a review instead of a whole discussion thread about it. Then people will hear you out.....maybe. At least it won't be half as bad. I'll repeat this line: as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Writing a review wouldn't help me with coming to this realisation. Which you could've easily done in writing a review. There is no maximum limit to how much you can input into a review, as long as you don't spoil too much and actually make an analysis instead of trying to directly insult and ridicule the show or any people who like it. You don't have any recognizable excuse to not do that If I didn't get somebody else opinion on my critique, I wouldn't have questioned how I critique shows. I doubt somebody would go out of their way to judge my review and send me their opinion. |
Dec 19, 2018 1:17 PM
#32
DumpsterKing said: Ryuseishun said: DumpsterKing said: Ryuseishun said: DumpsterKing said: King_JP said: DumpsterKing said: nobody is gonna kill you for dropping it, but why do you have to write an essays to justify yourself when nobody was gonna bother you in the first place? Waste of time you just wanted to attention.Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. I'm weird like that, I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Just write a review instead of a whole discussion thread about it. Then people will hear you out.....maybe. At least it won't be half as bad. I'll repeat this line: as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Writing a review wouldn't help me with coming to this realisation. Which you could've easily done in writing a review. There is no maximum limit to how much you can input into a review, as long as you don't spoil too much and actually make an analysis instead of trying to directly insult and ridicule the show or any people who like it. You don't have any recognizable excuse to not do that If I didn't get somebody else opinion on my critique, I wouldn't have questioned how I critique shows. I doubt somebody would go out of their way to judge my review and send me their opinion. You would be surprised. You’d get quite a number of responses considering the popularity of this show, without the hassle of making a bunch of people your enemy at once by posting a discussion thread turning toxic with each retort and response. I’m pretty sure I’d be banned or end up with dangerous enemies if I were to do the very same thing that you are doing right now....if the post was on like...say...SSSS Gridman, for example. |
Dec 19, 2018 1:28 PM
#33
| I will just remember what site this is and go somewhere else... |
| Re:formed |
Dec 19, 2018 1:57 PM
#34
| Well congrats on making a toxic environment where you have people spitting on each other and accusing each other being children. Sigh* You have given us your Opinion, but thats yours.you believe it to be right. So whatever someone will say you wont change your mind. So this kinda waste of time. If you really wanted a discussion it would have been better to go neutral, then share your point of view. Imagine someone posting "Why I love Eromanga Sensei" screams of incest lover would erupt fast, and that would give us tonnes of trash talk waste of time opinions. Also, disregarding content creators as just people who just "need to please as many people as they can" is throwing away your point on wanting a discussion, your not considering their point of view but considering it as lies, and no more than fake news. Finally for the record, I dont agree with Gigguks point of view all the time, eg. his latest video on "The Fascinating World of Index/Railgun and Why You Should Watch It", as after watching 2 seasons on the anime i still foundnd it blunt, boring, and almost cliche, so i dropped it. But thats MY own opinion. :) |
Darkfr0ggyDec 19, 2018 2:29 PM
Dec 19, 2018 1:59 PM
#36
Darkfr0ggy said: Well congrats on making a toxic environment where you have people spitting on each other and accusing each other being children. Sigh* You have given us your Opinion, but thats yours.you believe it to be right. So whatever someone will say you wont change your mind. So this kinda waste of time. If you really wanted a discussion it would have been better to go neutral, then share your point of view. Imagine someone posting "Why I love Eromanga Sensei" screams of incest lover would erupt fast, and that would give us tonnes of trash talk waste of time opinions. It’s not that I intend to accuse or “spit” on someone, though. It’s just that he could’ve taken an alternative like the ones you mentioned. |
Dec 19, 2018 2:36 PM
#37
| "The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music." This alone is proof that you just simply have no taste. fox capture plan is freaking amazing. |
Dec 19, 2018 2:44 PM
#38
| Wow lol. I loved reading the replies for this thread. I just loved how people are saying "If you didn't like it, why make a thread on why you hate it with valid points? It doesn't encourage any discussion." If this show was panned by the community, nobody would be complaining. Shows the hypocrisy of some people. Anyways I agree with most of your points especially the music. It's not bad per se, but it isn't good enough for me to listen to it without the show. The character designs and directing are also really flat and uninteresting especially for a supernatural type of show. Not a bad show at all, but I wouldn't give it above a 7. |
SeasideLuaDec 19, 2018 8:31 PM
Dec 19, 2018 3:03 PM
#39
DumpsterKing said: as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. Writing a review wouldn't help me with coming to this realisation. _Mike- said: Not everybody in life figures out their own problems all of the time. Help is appreciated...and sooner rather than later. These two posts, read in succession, are absolute gold. I'll join in too: "Hello, my name is Phil, and I'm an alcoholic". |
| "I'm a middle schooler bartender!" - Mishima Hitomi |
Dec 19, 2018 3:41 PM
#40
DumpsterKing said: Having had a conversation about Bunny Girl Senpai in a comment section recently, I felt motivated to write a review of BGS. Before I start the review, is like to highlight that this isn't an 'I think x is bad/overrated and so should you' post. This is simply my reasoning for dropping the show at episode 5. I would appreciate constructive criticism on my writing though. In short, the reason for this is that the only thing I actually liked about the show is Sakuta's banter with Mai but, that wasn't a good enough for me to continue watching. Firstly, there is the entire reason I'm an anime fan in the first place. Animation is capable of conveying emotions in a way that live action doesn't. BGS however, uses the medium for one visually interesting scene in the first 5 episodes. Apart from this, there were no shots that i find even remotely interesting to look at, with directing that feels flat to me and character animation that fails to convince me of genuine feelings. Good visuals aren't everything though and good stories don't necessitate impressive visuals to keep me engaged. Unfortunately, there are several aspects of Bunny Girl's plot and execution that didn't gel well with me. Most importantly, the solutions of Bunny Girl's supernatural problems aren't very compelling. Both Mai and Koga get saved from their problems by Sakuta and I don't like that. I find stories of how they overcome their problems much more engaging than a love confession and Sakuta beating a guy up (I know that's not the actual conclusion but, from what i heard the conclusion is even worse). At the end of the first arc, I asked myself: what have the characters learnt from this, how have they changed, what is the lesson? None of the answers I or people I've talked to satisfy me. The pacing of the story also seems fairly rushed, as if it's jumping from plot point to plot point with no time for anything to impact me, particularly when Sakuta talks about his sister's syndrome it shows the only visually interesting scene in the anime and then goes back to what they were talking about earlier which was fairly jarring. I felt a slower pace to allow for more characterisation would have benefited the anime. Another problem I have with the anime is with the pseudo-science. This often gets brushed off as one of Futaba's character traits even but, there is no indication that Futaba is the person who doesn't know what she's talking about and not the author. If I knew nothing about quantum physics then there is no clue that Futaba is misapplying the theories - there should be a better clue than Futaba just being wrong. It also doesn't help that her characterisation up to the point i dropped it is 'science girl', so it's a fair assumption that she's the author's tool for exposition. This leads me on to my next issue: the characters. Futaba is an extremely boring character with seemingly no depth (I've read about her later development and it's very much a case of "why would i care about the problems of a drawing that I didn't like in the first place"). She has a crush on a guy we know hardly anything about (that's already an overdone cliche) and that's everything. Kuninimi (I think?) Is a bro, a one-dimensional bro that doesn't even have his name on Bunny Girl's MAL page or any real screen time but he's cool. His girlfriend is annoying for the sake of it. Similarly annoying is Koga who happens to be the kind of person I really don't like, so it was always going to be a task to get me to like her anyway. Kaede is Sakuta's little sister. Sakura himself is relatively smart, charismatic, witty, a nice guy, apparently good in a fight, gives great life advice, is smooth with the ladies, works part-time to help support himself and his sister, is the sole caretaker for his sister and lacks any convincing flaws that make him seem human to me. The story seems to be afraid to question his views and expose any insecurities or weaknesses he has. I've been told that he later gets called out on his behaviour but, the story hasn't given any consequences for this. A good writer, in my opinion, should put a character in a situation where we can see these parts of their personalities. Mai is an Ok character. She's a tsundere pretending to be a kuudere but, there really isn't enough to sell me on her character. For instance, how did she feel when her mother forgot she exists? How does she feel about it now? There are also two other aspects that fail to move me in this show. The OST exists, probably, I can't remember any of the music. Then there's the voice acting. I just don't like how monotone it is. It makes any lines that aren't best suited to monotone like sarcastic comebacks either sound boring or lacking in emotion. After some discussion here and elsewhere I'm tempted to rewatch the first 5 episodes to organise my argument better - this was, in retrospect, a pretty ill-considered rant I'm still trying to develop a critical lens and approach shows differently from what I have been. I haven't done much critical writing before, so I can obviously improve how I frame my arguments. Ultimately, I value my own emotional response over anything else but, I hope I can gain a better appreciation of the aspects of the show that don't work for me but, do work for others. This was an unnecesary rant, i think if you drop a series you just drop it and you don't need to explain why you dropped it because it will hurt the fans especially it doesn't add anything of substance and this doesn't bring anything new. If you want to make a "critical review" then you csn just write a review you don't have to waste your time making a rant. |
Dec 19, 2018 3:53 PM
#41
IheartCC said: This was the sweetest thing I ever seenDumpsterKing said: IheartCC said: Another example of someone grandstanding. I honestly don't care what people think of me. I just felt like writing down my opinion somewhere and as you can see in the bottom two paragraphs discussing this has given me more perspective. I'm not here to discuss since I'm a intolerant biased fan of this series. I'm here to bring you down. Mai-sans enemies are my enemies and I will eliminate them for her. |
Dec 19, 2018 4:58 PM
#42
| Just make a review. It's written in the correct place and people will read it. I get it, you want discussion but people will flood your comment section so you can just pick someone from there to deliver points to. It works, trust me. |
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Dec 19, 2018 6:39 PM
#43
| I agree with you i haven’t dropped myself but the show has lost charm lol but just mad cause their favorite show isn’t all that |
Dec 19, 2018 7:21 PM
#44
| Going at add my unpopular opinion, but yes. It is tragically rushed. I 100% agree on that. Every arc has felt as so. I continue to watch because it was what I thought was this season's best hope. It turned out like every other great show of every season - adequate for entertainment (pass / fail system) |
Dec 19, 2018 8:45 PM
#45
| Too long for me to read but... yeah, this show is average af. People rate it high only 'cause there's Gahara-like main girl. Also, first arc is quite good and entertaining. The rest are either mediocre, or simply bad (second arc was sh). |
Dec 19, 2018 8:54 PM
#46
| I just want know if in the LN time traveling will occur. And if yes, then will it result in changing the timeline like Mai and Sakuta relationship never happened, that will be so cliché. |
Dec 19, 2018 11:14 PM
#47
Darkfr0ggy said: Well congrats on making a toxic environment where you have people spitting on each other and accusing each other being children. Sigh* You have given us your Opinion, but thats yours.you believe it to be right. So whatever someone will say you wont change your mind. So this kinda waste of time. If you really wanted a discussion it would have been better to go neutral, then share your point of view. Imagine someone posting "Why I love Eromanga Sensei" screams of incest lover would erupt fast, and that would give us tonnes of trash talk waste of time opinions. Also, disregarding content creators as just people who just "need to please as many people as they can" is throwing away your point on wanting a discussion, your not considering their point of view but considering it as lies, and no more than fake news. Finally for the record, I dont agree with Gigguks point of view all the time, eg. his latest video on "The Fascinating World of Index/Railgun and Why You Should Watch It", as after watching 2 seasons on the anime i still foundnd it blunt, boring, and almost cliche, so i dropped it. But thats MY own opinion. :) Darkfr0ggy said: Well congrats on making a toxic environment where you have people spitting on each other and accusing each other being children. Sigh* You have given us your Opinion, but thats yours.you believe it to be right. So whatever someone will say you wont change your mind. So this kinda waste of time. If you really wanted a discussion it would have been better to go neutral, then share your point of view. Imagine someone posting "Why I love Eromanga Sensei" screams of incest lover would erupt fast, and that would give us tonnes of trash talk waste of time opinions. Also, disregarding content creators as just people who just "need to please as many people as they can" is throwing away your point on wanting a discussion, your not considering their point of view but considering it as lies, and no more than fake news. Finally for the record, I dont agree with Gigguks point of view all the time, eg. his latest video on "The Fascinating World of Index/Railgun and Why You Should Watch It", as after watching 2 seasons on the anime i still foundnd it blunt, boring, and almost cliche, so i dropped it. But thats MY own opinion. :) I didn't say anything about YouTube, that was someone else. Not to mention putting any negative opinion on something popular on a discussion will likely create a toxic environment because there's always going to be an idiot or two on both sides of the argument who don't want to actually contribute. I'll repeat this for the last time, now. Having discussed this I have gained a better understanding of how I should approach critical analysis. |
Dec 19, 2018 11:28 PM
#48
DumpsterKing said: trust me watch more anime b4 you give some retard rant and you just post your review. So just not reply bcuz fans will reply again. And are you here, I know you drop the series 3episodes in. Thats some dumb motivation huh. So stop the meme and move onDarkfr0ggy said: Well congrats on making a toxic environment where you have people spitting on each other and accusing each other being children. Sigh* You have given us your Opinion, but thats yours.you believe it to be right. So whatever someone will say you wont change your mind. So this kinda waste of time. If you really wanted a discussion it would have been better to go neutral, then share your point of view. Imagine someone posting "Why I love Eromanga Sensei" screams of incest lover would erupt fast, and that would give us tonnes of trash talk waste of time opinions. Also, disregarding content creators as just people who just "need to please as many people as they can" is throwing away your point on wanting a discussion, your not considering their point of view but considering it as lies, and no more than fake news. Finally for the record, I dont agree with Gigguks point of view all the time, eg. his latest video on "The Fascinating World of Index/Railgun and Why You Should Watch It", as after watching 2 seasons on the anime i still foundnd it blunt, boring, and almost cliche, so i dropped it. But thats MY own opinion. :) Darkfr0ggy said: Well congrats on making a toxic environment where you have people spitting on each other and accusing each other being children. Sigh* You have given us your Opinion, but thats yours.you believe it to be right. So whatever someone will say you wont change your mind. So this kinda waste of time. If you really wanted a discussion it would have been better to go neutral, then share your point of view. Imagine someone posting "Why I love Eromanga Sensei" screams of incest lover would erupt fast, and that would give us tonnes of trash talk waste of time opinions. Also, disregarding content creators as just people who just "need to please as many people as they can" is throwing away your point on wanting a discussion, your not considering their point of view but considering it as lies, and no more than fake news. Finally for the record, I dont agree with Gigguks point of view all the time, eg. his latest video on "The Fascinating World of Index/Railgun and Why You Should Watch It", as after watching 2 seasons on the anime i still foundnd it blunt, boring, and almost cliche, so i dropped it. But thats MY own opinion. :) I didn't say anything about YouTube, that was someone else. Not to mention putting any negative opinion on something popular on a discussion will likely create a toxic environment because there's always going to be an idiot or two on both sides of the argument who don't want to actually contribute. I'll repeat this for the last time, now. Having discussed this I have gained a better understanding of how I should approach critical analysis. |
Dec 20, 2018 1:46 AM
#49
incisorr said: all of you are register date 2018 and im willing to bet under 19 year old ppl that are just barely scratching the surface of anime (and tv shows) How can you even use that in an argument? It's not like this is the only anime website out there, lmao. In my case I started watching anime in 2012, 2 years later registered on a animu forum that is dead now and later opened an account here. So their register date doesn't mean anything. I hate the new waves of anime watchers who are by far worse than Naruto/SAO fanboys every season too, but yeah, I found that part ridiculous. DumpsterKing said: I honestly don't care what people think of me You just wanted attention, and even more than the ones who leave reviews. |
Dec 20, 2018 1:56 AM
#50
I didn't know it was possible to read minds over the internet. Seriously, if you're not going to contribute in any way then why bother posting here. I really don't want to say this again but I wanted a DISCUSSION. If you have problems with my criticisms or how I frame them then say something about it, I'd actually appreciate it. As I said in the last 2 paragraphs, discussing this has given me a better idea on to how to approach critical analysis. here's someone who wanted attention: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1757086 |
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