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Apr 9, 2018 12:05 PM
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There's a bit of confusion going on between various threads so this thread is to clear up some of that and hopefully contain those questions in this thread. There's no spoilers in this thread for future events or anything.

Why does Hero have a new art style and studio?


What went wrong with BorN? Is it really not canon?


What is Hero covering? Is it faithful?
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Thank you for this.
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so their is a possible chance that their won't be a season 6 bc of missing info from born
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Thank You for posting this. As an anime-only watcher I am still bothered by the fact that BorN did not adapt the novels well, I still enjoyed the season but it was the weakest of the three. I was even thinking of reading the volumes that BorN was meant to adapt so that I could get the true story in preparation for the new season but I kept forgetting to do so. I hope they can fill in the gaps with an OVA or something and that we can get seasons 5 and beyond.
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I dropped BorN entirely after several episodes as it was a mess. I really hope Hero covers things up. Guess I'll just have to really watch BorN to watch Hero as it's a direct sequel. *Sigh*

Just a wishful thought, it would've been nice if Hero was a remake of BorN or Season 3 Alternative.
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Why it includes only 13 episodes ? :( btw anyone can tell me if release times are also uncensored ?
Apr 9, 2018 3:07 PM
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Why it includes only 13 episodes ? :( btw anyone can tell me if release times are also uncensored ?

It's the same deal as before. Official subs will be censored, fansubs/raws will be uncensored.
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hiraishinx said:
Why it includes only 13 episodes ? :( btw anyone can tell me if release times are also uncensored ?

It's the same deal as before. Official subs will be censored, fansubs/raws will be uncensored.

Thanks for information.
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hiraishinx said:
SPEERS said:

It's the same deal as before. Official subs will be censored, fansubs/raws will be uncensored.

Thanks for information.


Because having more than 13ep is hard studios like

J.C, Toei, Madhouse, Bone, Sunrise.... However in the end of the day, its really the producers choice, do they want to fund more so more episodes occur?

Like when hxh 2011 became a thing producers had confident that it will sell and madhouse doing such a big project with relative small studio when it comes to like Toei so they were pretty smart and outsourced alot with corrections from main leads, Good time schedule to the key animators, its overall production was amazing tbh.
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so their is a possible chance that their won't be a season 6 bc of missing info from born


I think there is a chance if season 4 sells really well. Even though they cut out the important part from Born, the are continuing with the 4th season like Born never happened. So there's is a chance that we will se the cut out part in season 4 as a flashback or something.
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I just realized I barely remember Season 3 xD. Could you elaborate on what was it that they cut from the Loki arc?? I only remember it being all over the place and then that hideous anime-original finale... Wait, was it



I really have very vague memories about the 3rd season xD. I could have sworn that was in the animation... but now that I think about it... it wasn't. Damn, was BorN bad.
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Hey, anyone interested in tell me what was that important thing that was cut from volume 7, I don't have time to read it so, you know...
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Well its a good thing that they are faithfully adapting the LNs for this season. I dont read LNs or manga but from the past experiences i can definetly say that faithful adaptations are always better.

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so their is a possible chance that their won't be a season 6 bc of missing info from born


I think there is a chance if season 4 sells really well. Even though they cut out the important part from Born, the are continuing with the 4th season like Born never happened. So there's is a chance that we will se the cut out part in season 4 as a flashback or something.
Well they can adapt that part as OVAs or ONAs like Oreimo did
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deki_speed said:
so their is a possible chance that their won't be a season 6 bc of missing info from born


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Well they can adapt that part as OVAs or ONAs like Oreimo did


They'll just have to introduce it in another non-canon way. It's just a character. I don't think its that big of a deal.
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I guess im ready to watch S4 now.
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SPEERS said:
There's a bit of confusion going on between various threads so this thread is to clear up some of that and hopefully contain those questions in this thread. There's no spoilers in this thread for future events or anything.

Why does Hero have a new art style and studio?


What went wrong with BorN? Is it really not canon?


What is Hero covering? Is it faithful?

This is really insightful, thanks for taking the time to post this...
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Eternal_Yami said:
Thank You for posting this. As an anime-only watcher I am still bothered by the fact that BorN did not adapt the novels well, I still enjoyed the season but it was the weakest of the three. I was even thinking of reading the volumes that BorN was meant to adapt so that I could get the true story in preparation for the new season but I kept forgetting to do so. I hope they can fill in the gaps with an OVA or something and that we can get seasons 5 and beyond.
I feel the same way
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Nain said:


They'll just have to introduce it in another non-canon way. It's just a character. I don't think its that big of a deal.

But OP said that that part was important for making next seasons.
Didnt he?
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Thanks OP for posting that.
As a anime-only watcher, I also felt out of place with BorN (maybe only with the last chapters). I'm also curious about the event that was cut.
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Thanks for clearing things up mate
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Quick question: was that whole "Raymere flashbacks/dreams" Issei was having in BORN in the novels or was that anime original? That didn't seem to be going anywhere.
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The last two episodes where anime orginal as well
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Thank you for your post. really helpful. I only watch the three seasons in March and I enjoy so much that I am currently reading the light novel series (or trying eheh).

Yeah, I make the same question as a person above. What's that thing that's so different? Would appreciate thank you.

Uncensored version in this series is quite boring no? After all everything works around Oppai.. :D
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yes issei has been known to have flashbacks and dreams about raynare. and will be a big part in season 4 if its done right as it is one the main reason issei is scared
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So it seems I was a bit wrong. Episode 0 just aired and they fixed BorN's adaptation of volume 6 to match the LN. That means they'll probably do another episode 0 if there's a season 5 to fix volume 7 too.
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@Speers. Doubtful. They're already going to V9 & V10, no point doing V7 anymore.
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@Speers. Doubtful. They're already going to V9 & V10, no point doing V7 anymore.

They're gonna need to for a certain goddess, should they continue on. The recap episode was also well-received so far from Japanese fans, so it might've been testing the waters. All the retcon episode did to help this season was show the heroes at the end.
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autisticanime said:
Quick question: was that whole "Raymere flashbacks/dreams" Issei was having in BORN in the novels or was that anime original? That didn't seem to be going anywhere.


That assisted in pushing Issei to enter Juggernaut Drive when he thought Asia died. Idk if it was a part of the novels, but it did go somewhere.
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Nain said:
autisticanime said:
Quick question: was that whole "Raymere flashbacks/dreams" Issei was having in BORN in the novels or was that anime original? That didn't seem to be going anywhere.


That assisted in pushing Issei to enter Juggernaut Drive when he thought Asia died. Idk if it was a part of the novels, but it did go somewhere.


Yes Issei was having nightmare's etc about Raymere in the novels, it actually plays a pretty big role in his interaction with the girls around him.

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OP: Thank you very much for the clarifications. Hopefully this'll help reduce the number of times certain questions get spammed this season.

The only odd thing I noticed is that Bikou's hair is now brown.. Not sure why'd they'd go with a 3rd color other than to mix things up w/ too many light colors already?
Oh! In the closing scene at track, it actually looks like Issei is taller than Rias. So they aren't totally ignoring physical character growth. ^^ They might be the same height.. hard to tell w/ these hairstyles. lol

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Nain said:


That assisted in pushing Issei to enter Juggernaut Drive when he thought Asia died. Idk if it was a part of the novels, but it did go somewhere.


Yes Issei was having nightmare's etc about Raymere in the novels, it actually plays a pretty big role in his interaction with the girls around him.


The trauma from Reynare is the primary reason why Issei is still not a teen father. >_>;; He tries to come up with all sort of internal justifications about love and honor and respect.. but the truth is.... chicks be scary. ._.;;
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deadman80 said:

The trauma from Reynare is the primary reason why Issei is still not a teen father. >_>;; He tries to come up with all sort of internal justifications about love and honor and respect.. but the truth is.... chicks be scary. ._.;;


Oh come on. The guy has boobies getting flung at him left, right, and centre. He's the harem king we need. No sympathy here.
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thanks for the help.
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Quick question I've only seen the anime but I knew Born was terrible and did a little digging into the light novel as was just wondering does


Edit: Also I've read this a bit but just to confirm should I just follow along with what happend in Born in Episode 1-9 and just ignore episodes 10, 11 and 12?
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Nain said:
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The trauma from Reynare is the primary reason why Issei is still not a teen father. >_>;; He tries to come up with all sort of internal justifications about love and honor and respect.. but the truth is.... chicks be scary. ._.;;


Oh come on. The guy has boobies getting flung at him left, right, and centre. He's the harem king we need. No sympathy here.


We are talking about the MC who's brain BSODs when trying to comprehend what two naked girls are trying to communicate when they throw themselves at him and say "Let's make babies." Raynare is his ultimate anti-fetish and this is unarguable canon. lol

MoltenFlame said:
Quick question I've only seen the anime but I knew Born was terrible and did a little digging into the light novel as was just wondering does


Edit: Also I've read this a bit but just to confirm should I just follow along with what happend in Born in Episode 1-9 and just ignore episodes 10, 11 and 12?


Try marathoning BoRN while drunk off your ass.. Perhaps the classic "take a shot when you see a tit" drinking game would work for this. I don't recommend the "Random Gainaxing" game unless you are doing so with trustworthy friends who you can safely argue with over questionable calls along with someone who can function as an impartial referee.

Then whatever you remember 4 days later is probably what matters. :3
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Perhaps the classic "take a shot when you see a tit" drinking game would work for this.


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Thanks for the info OP. I've heard about it for so long that while I did buy it, I also took the info with a grain of salt until there was some sort of proper confirmation. I hope Passione does the best with Hero and that it allows them to make more faithful anime adaptations for the series.
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@Speers. Doubtful. They're already going to V9 & V10, no point doing V7 anymore.

They're gonna need to for a certain goddess, should they continue on. The recap episode was also well-received so far from Japanese fans, so it might've been testing the waters. All the retcon episode did to help this season was show the heroes at the end.


That's assuming if they even plan to go that far.
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ixarising said:
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They're gonna need to for a certain goddess, should they continue on. The recap episode was also well-received so far from Japanese fans, so it might've been testing the waters. All the retcon episode did to help this season was show the heroes at the end.


That's assuming if they even plan to go that far.


They might. DxD is pretty damn popular and it alway sells well when a new vol comes out. I'm just glad Ishibumi is doing the script writing this time.
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whatever happens with Hero

Season 5 seems to be a possibility for 2019 or 2020

I am going to read thee novel from the start again.

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Thanks for clearing all that up. It was really helpful. I am a light novel reader so I already knew how much BorN messed up, but I didn't know all the behind the scenes stuff that went on.

To be honest I think episode 0 of Hero was just a quick fix. It wouldn't surprise me if they announced season 5 almost directly after Hero finishes. Once season 5 concludes I think they will look at how well it did and if it does well I think they well completely remake BorN with like an 18 episode season before moving on to season 6.
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Thanks for clearing all that up. It was really helpful. I am a light novel reader so I already knew how much BorN messed up, but I didn't know all the behind the scenes stuff that went on.

To be honest I think episode 0 of Hero was just a quick fix. It wouldn't surprise me if they announced season 5 almost directly after Hero finishes. Once season 5 concludes I think they will look at how well it did and if it does well I think they well completely remake BorN with like an 18 episode season before moving on to season 6.


Oh god

If there is a god i hope your words become a reality one day

I think the end of this season 4 will impact alot on the possibility of season 5.

Hop viewers like Hero so the studio is encourage to make more seasons and
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OneJammieDodger said:
Thanks for clearing all that up. It was really helpful. I am a light novel reader so I already knew how much BorN messed up, but I didn't know all the behind the scenes stuff that went on.

To be honest I think episode 0 of Hero was just a quick fix. It wouldn't surprise me if they announced season 5 almost directly after Hero finishes. Once season 5 concludes I think they will look at how well it did and if it does well I think they well completely remake BorN with like an 18 episode season before moving on to season 6.


Oh god

If there is a god i hope your words become a reality one day

I think the end of this season 4 will impact alot on the possibility of season 5.

Hop viewers like Hero so the studio is encourage to make more seasons and
blu-ary does well


I am quite hopeful because the original author seems to pushing this a lot and now he has more control over the anime. But it does depend on the blue-ray sales in japan.

There is plenty of content so they could get away with making a season a year if they wanted to. I do feel however that they would have to remake BorN in order to go past season 5.
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Can someone tell me in a spoiler what was supposed to be the very important scene that got cut? Sadly my Japanese is not up to light novel reading levels yet.

Luckily I also forgot most of the last horrible season so this retcon helped to reset it lmao.
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Can someone tell me in a spoiler what was supposed to be the very important scene that got cut? Sadly my Japanese is not up to light novel reading levels yet.

Luckily I also forgot most of the last horrible season so this retcon helped to reset it lmao.


The novels are translated up to volume 23 last I checked >.>
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to the OP. There are some stubborn individuals who refuse to accept the truth. If you could possibly link to the interviews so as to silence their pathetic resistance once and for all, that would be great.
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to the OP. There are some stubborn individuals who refuse to accept the truth. If you could possibly link to the interviews so as to silence their pathetic resistance once and for all, that would be great.

I'd have to ask Code-Zero. This stuff is common knowledge on some Japanese boards like 5ch, but Code-Zero is the one who got the magazines and translated them for us about a year ago. I'll see if I can't find scans of them later.

Anyways, if they want to delude themselves into thinking otherwise, it doesn't really matter. It was obvious to anyone that something was off in BorN.
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to the OP. There are some stubborn individuals who refuse to accept the truth. If you could possibly link to the interviews so as to silence their pathetic resistance once and for all, that would be great.

I'd have to ask Code-Zero. This stuff is common knowledge on some Japanese boards like 5ch, but Code-Zero is the one who got the magazines and translated them for us about a year ago. I'll see if I can't find scans of them later.

Anyways, if they want to delude themselves into thinking otherwise, it doesn't really matter. It was obvious to anyone that something was off in BorN.


Bring it up to him anyway if it's not a bother. Wouldn't hurt to have more validity so that the delusions can be put under the sunlight to shrivel up and die
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I am sorry for being a bit off topic but i watched the whole anime series a couple of times and i never actually noticed Momo Hanakai. Could you please tell me in which parts does the show feature her?
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I knew some of this already. The parts I didn't know where the staff stuff and what percentage of each volume the anime did. I was originally going to read Volumes 5-7 before the BD's for Hero come out, but it appears I'm just going to have to start from the beginning.
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Couldn't they just reboot everything from the end of season 2? That would've been much better, having a proper adaptation of LN 5-7 with a proper design.
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