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1idd0kun said: RobertBobert said: Oh, I have a feeling that for you, any situation with a dominant man is an offensive sexism. The problem is the guys have the dominant role pretty much always. It's extremely rare to get the opposite, specially in mecha show. The double standard makes it sexist. RobertBobert said: Even when the mecha of the protagonists is controlled by the girl, and the male MC takes a passive role. The mecha isn't controlled by the girls. The girls act as part of the robot. The guys are the pilots. This was explained this episode. Take another look at the first episode, please. 02 in both situations was the driver, while MC held a passive role. Moreover, the show clearly shows that Hiro can not take an active role, although he clearly will be able to do it in future as a character development. In any case, this is our society, whether you like it or not. So I'm curious, how would you like to see this? That the show avoided any allusions and showed us the society of matriarchy and dominant women? |
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| K so heres my theory. I believe that mechs are directly connected to girls' bodies. The reason is - in the hologram communication channel girls are viewed with mechs' faces while guys are normal + only when girls are talking, mechs faces express that. So I believe that girl is a representation of a mechs body while boy is it's mind which controls movement. Thus this is the reason why mechs look just like their female pilots, but their movement is directly coordinated by male pilots. That could also mean that when the mech takes damage then girl's body will recieve the hit. |
SSJR2 said: LMAOO!! Oh japan you never cease to amaze me with how far your willing to go with anime lol. i mean this is good so far but it also borders on the ecchi and ridiculous with some of what they do. I mean the girls go doggy style and the guys ride there asses in that position lol what??. i mean i still enjoyed this episode but that really threw me for a loop lol. Im thinking they should add an ecchi tag to this now. Lol, so I say, it's something on the verge of a rough fanservice and satire. But too many people continue to take this too seriously. |
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| So basically this is on giant metaphor for sex. I like it. I like it a lot. So that's how the mech's work, the guy get a full view of the booty and he uses booty controls. Nice. Looks like Hiro had a hard time "getting it up" for Ichigo. That's too bad considering Ichigo is pretty cute. It's clear that Zero Two knows exactly what's going on, but wanted to watch her fail. She's savage to say the least. I'd like to see where they go from here, I really want to see Hiro and Zero Two pilot a Franxx again. Speaking of, I love the Franxx designs. We got Robo-waifus. Also Nana is best girl. |
Gal3riel said: Well you were educated so ill be to. A tip, shows are made for an audiance you might not be part of it so don't force yourself, people complain every day like your entiteld (generaly speaking) to what a creator should do for you no one forces people to watch it and i believe in freedom of thought :) I love how japanese are free to do what they want not like us westeners who complain about everything we see on tv shows or movies, there are animes even for homosexual people not only us etero perverts there is a lot of choice and there is nothing wrong in the show about "sexualising women" i mean its not real its just fantasy which i think its normal for man AND women. Just check out what are the biggest sexual fantasies of women lol Pirates, vampires lol I understand everything, but some people take it so seriously that they can no longer distinguish works with real toxic messages and works, where the play with fan service is bordered on absurdity and parody. With this logic, you can go so far that Sailor Moon is a anti-male show about feminazi, and Pokemon promotes violence against animals. |
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1idd0kun said: RobertBobert said: Take another look at the first episode, please. 02 in both situations was the driver, while MC held a passive role. You're assuming. We don't really know this for a fact yet. RobertBobert said: the show clearly shows that Hiro can not take an active role No, it only shows he couldn't get it up with Ichigo. Having the active role wasn't the problem. His lack of sexual desire for her was. RobertBobert said: In any case, this is our society, whether you like it or not. It actually isn't. the real world isn't as male-dominated as fiction makes it out to be sometimes (specially anime). RobertBobert said: So I'm curious, how would you like to see this? That the show avoided any allusions and showed us the society of matriarchy and dominant women? Did you even read my previous post? I said the double standard makes it sexist. You know what could really put this show on its head and fix many of its problem in one go? If Hiro was actually the one in the dog position and 002 was riding his butt. That would nicely counter balance the others, more traditional dynamics in the show. But that's not gonna happen. I doubt the staff have the balls for that. That is, you did not even watch the first episode, but accuse me of the fact that I "do not understand your comments." Oh, it's a useless dialogue that needs to be stopped until it turns into a generic flame about social justice. |
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| Who the hell is coming up with all of that? Everything in this show is so damn sexual, not that I'm complaining...the show is fun and all, but still....pretty embarassing watch if you aint alone. |
| They forgot the comedy - parody tag. Teenies Riding RO-BUTT with their D... Everybody's already waiting for the DVD uncensored version without the "controls" and I guess when they'll shoot the bad monsters, it will become "juicy", they'll feel really goooooooood! HA! Butt of course, we are all here for the "DEEPER" ... meaning of the story. And the poor teenagers who prefer the missionary. Nobody gave a f.... They can't drive RO-BUTT then. That was Naomi probably. In this post apocalyptic world, it only goes from behind !!! Harsh reality, it is ! Story-telling and story so far average, Male MC's shit, it overall already looks like wasted art and animation but ... (sorry, 02) BUTT with the comedy it manages to make reading the forums entertaining at least. |
HereticHunter said: I think like domon, io, and kou are like the only adult protagonists in the franchise from the get go so not sure where your going with that. Some characters like uso from V gundam are only 13. Gundam has alot of tropes its just some of the older series started alot of modern tropes, doesnt stop later ones from following alot of them for better or worsekammie7 said: it seems like you don't understand that characters don't have to start out as tropes. characters from Eva, Gundam and other shows don't feel like tropes because they are presented as full characters and not one personality trait. Also the MC failing isn't original especially when it was obvious that he was going to fail just to prove the point that he's only compatible with 002 right now. What the hell are you talking about? Evangelion is FULL of generic tropes. Gundam doesn't fall in this category because their characters aren't kids to begin with. |
JizzyHitlerJan 20, 2018 3:33 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Styraxx said: The manner in which these mecha are piloted is not as ridiculous as it would seem at first. I know it;s 100% fanservice, but let's look at it more from the technical side. Female pilot is acts role as a mecha body, only she has a special suit that connects her with the franxx through nrojro links near the spine and helmet. Maintaining this connection with the mech and control mech moving and fighting would be to much for the nervous system, so she need a male pilot to relieve her by directing franxx movements. It is logical that both pilots must trust each other and be close to making a connection between their brain without stress and keep it during the fight. The end of the episode showed that it is possible to female pilot, moving mech solo, but as it was mentioned that it is dangerous so I suspect that in the long run it can cause damage to the central nervous system. The only thing I think is very strange is to connect control devices to the ass, in my opinion it should be connected to the lower part of the spine. Anyway it's just my opinions You are wrong, women are weak victims, and the dominance of men in this show is deliberate sexism on the part of dirty men in 1-A and Trigger! * sarcasm mode * This show is far from works with a real toxic message, like the manga where the male school "re-educated" the lesbian MC. firemagnet said: RobertBobert said: Lol, so I say, it's something on the verge of a rough fanservice and satire. But too many people continue to take this too seriously. An affectionate parody and satire, yes. What Hiro and Zero-Two are has already been revealed. Both are equally selfish, just in different ways, and the emotional, psychological and narrative background that this creates is very interesting. People are also taking this far, far, far too seriously. This is fiction, ladies and gentlemen. It does not have to reflect your values. Moreover, toxic masculinity of the sort that demands that a man must dominate a woman is not what is on display here. Yes, there's more than a little ego, but the emphasis is on partnership and union, not domination. I f you are so offended by everything you see in the show that you must rudely demand that it conform to your values so that you can "safely" watch it, then the exit is over that way, marked by the big red "x" on the upper right corner of your web browser. You don't have to watch the show, and the discussion held on this forum is frankly better off without you. Well, it reminds me of Mark Twain's accusations of racism. He portrayed the most stupid racism as demonstrating the fallacies of own time, but years later, some people thought he was seriously demonstrated his "real" views. |
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| i dont like the setting of the controller unless its a pair of two girls. |
Aeonenleben said: Dude, if you have nothing to add just stay silent. He is entitled to voice his opinion. Your random pointless reply is just sad. Pot, meet kettle. |
ButtSlapper said: i dont like the setting of the controller unless its a pair of two girls. Well, it seems that the concept of patriarchal "marriage" rejects this, but I too would not refuse. Especially then 02 showed that the girl can also be a leader. |
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| This show really has the best OP this season. That visual and eerie tune to it is really something. And Zero Two And Zero Sixteen should really hit it off soon. They're the coolest pairing! |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
-Stray said: And now we got the typical "bratty character whose full of himself" only to get disgraced when MC gets his shit together... oh boy... the cliches are so.... bad... not that Im saying being cliche is over all bad but it depends on how its handled, and this show aint handling it very well. That did not happen though. I remembered watching them both lose the mock fight. Half of your argument has not had time to occur in the show yet. Don't judge this episode on what your cynicism says this episode will lead to. Not yet at least. |
SaundersB said: Todd_ said: So basically this is on giant metaphor for sex. I like it. I like it a lot. So that's how the mech's work, the guy get a full view of the booty and he uses booty controls. Nice. Looks like Hiro had a hard time "getting it up" for Ichigo. That's too bad considering Ichigo is pretty cute. It's clear that Zero Two knows exactly what's going on, but wanted to watch her fail. She's savage to say the least. Well 02 have already many partners so she is experienced girl. First she shows herself completely nude, next kisses guy. Always works. On the other hand Ichigo is super virgin, can't even kiss guy properly. No surprise it didn't work out. Well, if you consider Hiro as expy of Shinji as TVTrops offers, then his interest in tomboy girls and strange hints of feminine behavior take a new turn. I'll laugh a lot if the show has its own Kaoru, and 02 will start to control mecha along with Ichigo. |
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Tone-deaf. Hamfisted dialogue, oddly serious, combination of anime clichés, scenes we have seen millions of times like with the mysterious council, practice fight, etc. Fanservice that's completely irrelevant to the plot(A-1's M.O. at this point) And Hiro comes back with his monologues. It gives little to no indication that it will subvert these tropes it shoves down the viewers throat. Design is hard work, the doggystyle cockpits are not going anywhere. |
| I actually enjoyed the first episode a lot despite it being generic in almost every aspect. Unfortunately I did not enjoy the second episode at all. |
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Frodock42 said: -Stray said: And now we got the typical "bratty character whose full of himself" only to get disgraced when MC gets his shit together... oh boy... the cliches are so.... bad... not that Im saying being cliche is over all bad but it depends on how its handled, and this show aint handling it very well. That did not happen though. I remembered watching them both lose the mock fight. Half of your argument has not had time to occur in the show yet. Don't judge this episode on what your cynicism says this episode will lead to. Not yet at least. Well yeah, thanks for pointing out the obvious Einstein. |
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| Quick bet: once we officially see Hiro and 02 actually piloting, Hiro's gonna be the one bending over. |
1idd0kun said: delta5 said: Quick bet: once we officially see Hiro and 02 actually piloting, Hiro's gonna be the one bending over. I take the bet. What do I get if I win? Well, if I'm wrong then you get a big kiss from Zorome. =) |
| It´s fun how everybody is so butt hurt by the piloting and your views on sexism. (flowers and sex) And you can not even be happy or say anything that the best character for this "sexist show" and for a long time against other show. Is a strong FEMALE lead and the main guy is a wimp. You have a cool strong girl that takes what she wants, kicks ass and dominate a guy more or less with a fun personality. Even when there are strong women you find something else to cry about. :P People need to laugh more at FICTION in life. Or you can die crying and become sad people over a fiction cartoon. |
T27 said: So that makes it okay to sexualize children..? Depends on what you consider children. I don't consider the cast from Darling in the Franxx as children, so yeah, i'm very much ok with them being sexualized. Sweanime said: It´s fun how everybody is so butt hurt by the piloting and your views on sexism. (flowers and sex) And you can not even be happy or say anything that the best character for this "sexist show" and for a long time against other show. Is a strong FEMALE lead and the main guy is a wimp. You have a cool strong girl that takes what she wants, kicks ass and dominate a guy more or less with a fun personality. Even when there are strong women you find something else to cry about. :P People need to laugh more at FICTION in life. Or you can die crying and become sad people over a fiction cartoon. I like you. |
| Episode was boring. Fanservice is okay. We are used to it. But I didn't like the other guy that wanted to be their enemy in the training. (Annoying char.) Also it feels as if they want to make this a show with focus on training and the life of the chars outside of the fights. I have a bit that feeling ... and if they do it like this I'll be bored. (Don't like the chars that much and Trigger only had boring plot/chars in Kiznaiver ... and Kill La Kill was good but mainly because of the action and music.) I hope episode 3 will be better and fights against those monsters. Please no boring talk about the training and that "papa" guy. (They look a bit like Ku Klux Klan those top/leader guys there lol.) Episode 1 was interesting because new setting/chars. Episode 2 worse. (Annoying other char. Only the MC + main girl + the blue haired girl are good.) |
| Not very impressed, while everyone likes 02, I am not really impressed with her either. Hiro is so bland and annoying I feel like slapping this guy half of the time, he is just like the MC from Kiznaiver whom I ended up hating. Overly sexualized "controls" |
So I've noticed there's a character with tiny man rage... Yay tiny person! However there is something I'm not agreeing with; This is weird, This is definitely weird right!  Ima just let ever'body absorb that image (the sentence with this image was on point tho 😅😂😂) That ain't even the worst part. I get that sometimes in mecha animes they follow the theory that the strain is just too great on an individual so there's a need for partners, or male-female duos... What took the biscuit was the fact the controls came from her ass, like why there And those sounds by mini man's partner didn't help either |
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| I get hella Eva vibes from this one. I think I just saw Asuka. Or well, the girl Zorome piloted with extremely resembles Asuka. Also, the way the leaders discussed with each other in a circular position reminded me of how NERV from Evangelion operated. As for this episode, I hate the fact that the MC is still a wimp. I would of been super glad if he whooped Zorome's ass when he got hit with the ball. Ichigo jealous as fuck! I prefer Zero Two anyway and she's best girl of this anime. I also really feel the way girls lay when piloting a mecha. |
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