A Gender Bender anime tag? Or an LGBT tag?

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Swagernator said:
I was always calling for it but no one listen to me. MAL need homo and light homo tags.

I know right? ALL THE HOMO. It isn't just for people who want to avoid them. As someone who is starting to run out believe it or not of anime in the shonen ai and Yaoi section I am just like "gee wouldn't it be great if they actually labeled all the stuff with canon couples?" Or even just labeled the gender bender stuff which they already do in manga? ugggu.

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Jun 16, 2017 6:41 AM

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Ehh, I find it unnecessary, if you're really desperate to find these kinds of shows, how about just asking for recommendations?

Jun 16, 2017 6:42 AM

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Ehh, I find it unnecessary, if you're really desperate to find these kinds of shows, how about just asking for recommendations?

I have. Most people aren't at my level I am guessing. XD Cause they look at me confused by what "off label shonen ai" means. eh. I try to find them all. Also, see my signature. Because even with author conformation, people still deny it. lol.

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Jun 16, 2017 6:44 AM

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Yes! Both. Gender bender for stuff like Ouran High School or Yamada-kun and the Seven Witches, LGBT for the likes of Wandering Son and Utena.

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Yes! Both. Gender bender for stuff like Ouran High School or Yamada-kun and the Seven Witches, LGBT for the likes of Wandering Son and Utena.

YES YES! So you know my pain of finding them much later? And then being like "damn why didn't I watch Wandering Son when it came out?"

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Jun 16, 2017 6:46 AM

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Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

jyuushimatsu said:
Ehh, I find it unnecessary, if you're really desperate to find these kinds of shows, how about just asking for recommendations?

I have. Most people aren't at my level I am guessing. XD Cause they look at me confused by what "off label shonen ai" means. eh. I try to find them all. Also, see my signature. Because even with author conformation, people still deny it. lol.

I don't know if you've tried putting it this way, but why don't you just directly say 'gay/lesbian anime that do not have the yaoi/shounen ai/yuri/shoujo ai tags'? 'Off label' is confusing, it's not a surprise people don't understand. And you could give examples.

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Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

I have. Most people aren't at my level I am guessing. XD Cause they look at me confused by what "off label shonen ai" means. eh. I try to find them all. Also, see my signature. Because even with author conformation, people still deny it. lol.

I don't know if you've tried putting it this way, but why don't you just directly say 'gay/lesbian anime that do not have the yaoi/shounen ai/yuri/shoujo ai tags'? 'Off label' is confusing, it's not a surprise people don't understand. And you could give examples.

People straight up argue that Victor and Yuri are not together.

The dense anime community is annoying to deal with. Would rather just find anime on my own when it comes to anime containing this.

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Jun 16, 2017 6:57 AM

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Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

jyuushimatsu said:

I don't know if you've tried putting it this way, but why don't you just directly say 'gay/lesbian anime that do not have the yaoi/shounen ai/yuri/shoujo ai tags'? 'Off label' is confusing, it's not a surprise people don't understand. And you could give examples.

People straight up argue that Viktor and Yuuri are not together.

The dense anime community is annoying to deal with. Would rather just find anime on my own when it comes to anime containing this.

Well I suppose that's actually true...

It's a hard job for the mods to go through everything and add all these tags that you're asking for, they already have lots of work to do. Also, it may make it more complex, for the LGBT one.

(Tada, your solution right there.)

Jun 16, 2017 7:11 AM

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LGBT seems too broad to be used as a single tag.
It'd make more sense to split each four off into separate tags.

Anyway, for the first two, we already have yuri, shoujo-ai, yaoi, shounen-ai tags... A gender bender tag would work well enough for the fourth... not sure how we could identify the B in LGBT for genre tags... "Both-ai"? lol. xD

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LGBT seems too broad to be used as a single tag.
It'd make more sense to split each four off into separate tags.

Anyway, for the first two, we already have yuri, shoujo-ai, yaoi, shounen-ai tags... A gender bender tag would work well enough for the fourth... not sure how we could identify the B in LGBT for genre tags... "Both-ai"? lol. xD

I know. No bisexual tag makes it annoying. XD But there are plenty of bisexual anime like Love Tyrant. You would think this site would tag Yuri on Ice with the shonen ai tag already but NOPE. I mean and it is straight up about the romance too. No.6 maybe but seriously Yuri on Ice not having the tag is just annoying.

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Jun 16, 2017 9:03 AM

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jyuushimatsu said:

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

People straight up argue that Viktor and Yuuri are not together.

The dense anime community is annoying to deal with. Would rather just find anime on my own when it comes to anime containing this.

Well I suppose that's actually true...

It's a hard job for the mods to go through everything and add all these tags that you're asking for, they already have lots of work to do. Also, it may make it more complex, for the LGBT one.

(Tada, your solution right there.)

But the gender bender tag is something they could add given that there are so many manga with this tag already. :/ Pretty easy to just label anime with crossdressing and gender flipping. (what I meant by finding it on my own was being able to search tags easier but OK)

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Jun 16, 2017 10:15 AM

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MAL needs a complete overhaul of the "genre" system. Also that other suggestion for char relation (new/recently created thread) seemed interesting.

Something like "gay" or "transgender" could be added as tags for individual characters as well.

Jun 16, 2017 6:46 PM

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Bakaupdates has it, just use that.

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Luthandorius said:
MAL needs a complete overhaul of the "genre" system. Also that other suggestion for char relation (new/recently created thread) seemed interesting.

Something like "gay" or "transgender" could be added as tags for individual characters as well.

Oh right, I've seen other anime websites have those. Would be a pain to implement this though, it'd be more work for the moderators...

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

jyuushimatsu said:

Well I suppose that's actually true...

It's a hard job for the mods to go through everything and add all these tags that you're asking for, they already have lots of work to do. Also, it may make it more complex, for the LGBT one.

(Tada, your solution right there.)

But the gender bender tag is something they could add given that there are so many manga with this tag already. :/ Pretty easy to just label anime with crossdressing and gender flipping. (what I meant by finding it on my own was being able to search tags easier but OK)

Well, it may be hard to round them all up... Or maybe there just aren't enough for them to want to add a tag for it? (I do know that there are other tags that have little entries but for some reason, the tag still exists...?)

Jun 16, 2017 7:17 PM

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I object! We should not be pushing social politics into anime.

We already have Yuri/Yaoi and many other terms/ tags for these genres. Although, I think Gender Bender is an okay tag.
If you allow this, it will have to be constantly changed, it begins at LGBT, then its LGBTQ, then when it's LGBTQ+ and then when it's LGBTTQQIAAP.

It's madness and Insanity. Then'l you have to add a Rainbow flag icon.

Not to mention it'l turn people away from this site. Right now, the site is neutral, but we all know the strained relationship between Anime fans and feminists, and LGBT is arm of the Feminist Wing.

Jun 16, 2017 9:03 PM

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I agree, especially for gender bender (tho as said below, it may be better to name it otherwise) I mean there is already a manga tag for it, tho I guess there should be two separate tags for the crossdressing/gender identity type of anime/manga and the ones for magically changing sexes because they are completely different.

And obviously I want to have a way to find my trap anime :D tho I mostly read manga for that since there is just more of it there.

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I object! We should not be pushing social politics into anime.

We already have Yuri/Yaoi and many other terms/ tags for these genres. Although, I think Gender Bender is an okay tag.
If you allow this, it will have to be constantly changed, it begins at LGBT, then its LGBTQ, then when it's LGBTQ+ and then when it's LGBTTQQIAAP.

It's madness and Insanity. Then'l you have to add a Rainbow flag icon.

Not to mention it'l turn people away from this site. Right now, the site is neutral, but we all know the strained relationship between Anime fans and feminists, and LGBT is arm of the Feminist Wing.

well it isn't for the sake of politics just for the sake of having a database and the fact that those things are often important plot points people are looking for or avoiding, perhaps we should just find an alternative name for LGBT that the website could use to avoid getting politics dragged into it.

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I agree, especially for gender bender (tho as said below, it may be better to name it otherwise) I mean there is already a manga tag for it, tho I guess there should be two separate tags for the crossdressing/gender identity type of anime/manga and the ones for magically changing sexes because they are completely different.

And obviously I want to have a way to find my trap anime :D tho I mostly read manga for that since there is just more of it there.

Nyu said:
I object! We should not be pushing social politics into anime.

We already have Yuri/Yaoi and many other terms/ tags for these genres. Although, I think Gender Bender is an okay tag.
If you allow this, it will have to be constantly changed, it begins at LGBT, then its LGBTQ, then when it's LGBTQ+ and then when it's LGBTTQQIAAP.

It's madness and Insanity. Then'l you have to add a Rainbow flag icon.

Not to mention it'l turn people away from this site. Right now, the site is neutral, but we all know the strained relationship between Anime fans and feminists, and LGBT is arm of the Feminist Wing.

well it isn't for the sake of politics just for the sake of having a database and the fact that those things are often important plot points people are looking for or avoiding, perhaps we should just find an alternative name for LGBT that the website could use to avoid getting politics dragged into it.

Aside from gender bender being an okay tag, cross dressing is pretty similar to trap, and gender identity is made up in real life, and likely very rare in anime, so it doesn't necessitate a tag.

While it may not appear for the sake of Politics, OP has expressed their politics on other threads (Feminism, which LGBT is part of), which leads me to believe this is political (by proxy).

Tho, as I said before, we already have terms, Yuri and Yaoi.

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Yeah, it's been noted many times that it's retarded to have a gender bender tag for manga, but not anime.

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Darek said:
I agree, especially for gender bender (tho as said below, it may be better to name it otherwise) I mean there is already a manga tag for it, tho I guess there should be two separate tags for the crossdressing/gender identity type of anime/manga and the ones for magically changing sexes because they are completely different.

And obviously I want to have a way to find my trap anime :D tho I mostly read manga for that since there is just more of it there.

well it isn't for the sake of politics just for the sake of having a database and the fact that those things are often important plot points people are looking for or avoiding, perhaps we should just find an alternative name for LGBT that the website could use to avoid getting politics dragged into it.

Aside from gender bender being an okay tag, cross dressing is pretty similar to trap, and gender identity is made up in real life, and likely very rare in anime, so it doesn't necessitate a tag.

While it may not appear for the sake of Politics, OP has expressed their politics on other threads (Feminism, which LGBT is part of), which leads me to believe this is political (by proxy).

Tho, as I said before, we already have terms, Yuri and Yaoi.

I see crossdressing and traps as the same or at least similar enough, it is not made up, it does exist to an extent even tho special snowflakes seem to think they can call themselves female even if they are not and so on, either way, politics aside I can see the second point being kinda correct, it is indeed rare and mostly it is about crossdressing more than anything else either way the main distinction between crossdressing and magical sex change should be imo implemented or at the very least the gender bender tag should be put in place.

Well even if she has mentioned her political stand in another threads that does not automatically make it so that this thread is based on it, it seems to be mostly based around the idea of simply enjoying those series. I use the term LGBT often and do not really call myself a feminist so there is that too, besides regardless of politics behind it, the main idea is implementing any sort of tag that would be there for those types of series and you can argue about them without dragging politics into it just like it is with other genre suggestions.

Tho on a second though an overall LGBT tag seems useless since both yaoi and yuri exist (and gender bender for manga) since those are the same thing only in more detail, so in a way they are better since they do not give any vague ideas like LGBT would and tell you the specifics. I guess adding gender bender for anime, perhaps a bisexual tag and simply better usage of those tags since a lot of series tend to be misgenred (that is not even a word, oh well, it is now) I guess I could use miss-classified instead would be enough.

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Kyaaaaa! Yes, please. Do this, mods. Hahahaha. :)

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Darek said:

Nyu said:

Aside from gender bender being an okay tag, cross dressing is pretty similar to trap, and gender identity is made up in real life, and likely very rare in anime, so it doesn't necessitate a tag.

While it may not appear for the sake of Politics, OP has expressed their politics on other threads (Feminism, which LGBT is part of), which leads me to believe this is political (by proxy).

Tho, as I said before, we already have terms, Yuri and Yaoi.

I see crossdressing and traps as the same or at least similar enough, it is not made up, it does exist to an extent even tho special snowflakes seem to think they can call themselves female even if they are not and so on, either way, politics aside I can see the second point being kinda correct, it is indeed rare and mostly it is about crossdressing more than anything else either way the main distinction between crossdressing and magical sex change should be imo implemented or at the very least the gender bender tag should be put in place.

Well even if she has mentioned her political stand in another threads that does not automatically make it so that this thread is based on it, it seems to be mostly based around the idea of simply enjoying those series. I use the term LGBT often and do not really call myself a feminist so there is that too, besides regardless of politics behind it, the main idea is implementing any sort of tag that would be there for those types of series and you can argue about them without dragging politics into it just like it is with other genre suggestions.

Tho on a second though an overall LGBT tag seems useless since both yaoi and yuri exist (and gender bender for manga) since those are the same thing only in more detail, so in a way they are better since they do not give any vague ideas like LGBT would and tell you the specifics. I guess adding gender bender for anime, perhaps a bisexual tag and simply better usage of those tags since a lot of series tend to be misgenred (that is not even a word, oh well, it is now) I guess I could use miss-classified instead would be enough.

Considering I would throw all the crossdressing anime under the LGBT tag regardless of how politically correct they were ummm yeah I don't think my request is political, thank you for defending me.

But yes. Just tagging the bisexual anime, finally labeling anime like Yuri on Ice how they should be labeled and adding a gender bender tag would be very much appreciated. I think the feed back on this has made sense.

To tell me that Himegoto is JUST a school comedy is kinda disingenuous to the genre it really is especially when the manga entry has it labeled a gender bender ecchi.

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Does someone know when last a new tag was added? Was it ever that a single tag was added?

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Does someone know when last a new tag was added? Was it ever that a single tag was added?

Since Gender bender tag exists for manga why not anime?

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Oh, it is not that I disagree with this suggested tag or any other tag, it is that I wonder if ever any single tag was added at all.
Maybe it wasn't ever?, be it for "technical reasons", "too much work", "low priority" or whatever?

Knowing if it was done ever/ all the time/ never would help know if it'd be worth investing hopes, enthusiasm, effort and such into suggestions for new tags, or not.

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Oh, it is not that I disagree with this suggested tag or any other tag, it is that I wonder if ever any single tag was added at all.
Maybe it wasn't ever?, be it for "technical reasons", "too much work", "low priority" or whatever?

Knowing if it was done ever/ all the time/ never would help know if it'd be worth investing hopes, enthusiasm, effort and such into suggestions for new tags, or not.

Even if never, They did add a video system. they have added new things in the past. It doesn't generally hurt to ask.

Yes, I could see how it could be a lot of work but since there are already so many with this tag in manga, you would think that would make it easier.

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no. 6 isn't gay and it's doing a great anime a huge disservice to insinuate that it is. but ye there should be a gender bender tag for anime...

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no. 6 isn't gay and it's doing a great anime a huge disservice to insinuate that it is. but ye there should be a gender bender tag for anime...

There are

Don't be silly. It is pretty gay.

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Let me go over what I am talking about. And I do think this website is making choices based on political stuff especially in regards to what gets labeled yaoi and shonen ai.

Example Manga : What did you Eat Yesterday. Not labeled Shonen ai. It is labeled slice of life seinen. It used to be labeled shonen ai though. And when you look for it on websites, you will find it in the LGBT section... with all the other yaoi, yuri, shonen ai, shoujo ai.

The Antique Bakery Manga is not labeled shonen ai. But the anime is. There is no consistency in this.

Example of an anime I didn't think was gay despite everything gay that happened in it: Kids on the Slope. The baiting was very strong in that one. Blowing on ears and hair, touching hair, always hugging or arms over each other. Laying on each other. Holding hands. But they aren't in a relationship.

Either you are going to label all the gay stuff or you aren't.

The Yuri and Shoujo ai manga sections do not have this issue. They have stuff like "shoujo ai/shoujo" and "Josei/Yuri" tags saying that the target is female when it is normally male.

Not labeling really good manga like : https://myanimelist.net/manga/97244/Shimanami_Tasogare

But you do label: https://myanimelist.net/manga/99969/Sabishisugite_Lesbian_Fuuzoku_ni_Ikimashita_Report
And: https://myanimelist.net/manga/1419/Oniisama_e
It is a political statement when you don't label so much gay stuff just because it is directed towards men or doesn't follow stereotypes.

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Jul 17, 2017 11:49 AM

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I agree that there should be a gender bender tag. Not really and LGBT tag though.

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I agree that there should be a gender bender tag. Not really and LGBT tag though.

I modified my statement. Why didn't you read my post? I am mostly saying : Either you label ALL the shonen ai and shoujo ai and yaoi and yuri OR the website should make a special tag since they have decided to be political by NOT labeling them.

Example: No. 6 isn't labeled. Yuri on Ice isn't labeled. The manga for Antique Bakery isn't labeled but the anime is.

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Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

Nemu13 said:
I agree that there should be a gender bender tag. Not really and LGBT tag though.

I modified my statement. Why didn't you read my post? I am mostly saying : Either you label ALL the shonen ai and shoujo ai and yaoi and yuri OR the website should make a special tag since they have decided to be political by NOT labeling them.

Example: No. 6 isn't labeled. Yuri on Ice isn't labeled. The manga for Antique Bakery isn't labeled by the anime is.

Oi, I was just pointing it out. Besides, I also disagree with shounen-ai tag on YoI and No.6.

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Nemu13 said:

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

I modified my statement. Why didn't you read my post? I am mostly saying : Either you label ALL the shonen ai and shoujo ai and yaoi and yuri OR the website should make a special tag since they have decided to be political by NOT labeling them.

Example: No. 6 isn't labeled. Yuri on Ice isn't labeled. The manga for Antique Bakery isn't labeled by the anime is.

Oi, I was just pointing it out. Besides, I also disagree with shounen-ai tag on YoI and No.6.

Why?Do you think it is gay or not?

If you don't think they should be labeled shonen ai- this is why I want an LGBT tag.

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Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

Nemu13 said:

Oi, I was just pointing it out. Besides, I also disagree with shounen-ai tag on YoI and No.6.

Why?Do you think it is gay or not?

If you don't think they should be labeled shonen ai- this is why I want an LGBT tag.

I Believe YoI and No.6 have gay couples in it (both couples are also the main characters), but to me it isn't enough to label shounen-ai. I also don't think there should be an LGBT tag. I think this was said somewhere in the thread, but I believe there should be character tags instead, where characters can be labelled as homosexual or bisexual. But that's just what I think.

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Nemu13 said:

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

Why?Do you think it is gay or not?

If you don't think they should be labeled shonen ai- this is why I want an LGBT tag.

I Believe YoI and No.6 have gay couples in it (both couples are also the main characters), but to me it isn't enough to label shounen-ai. I also don't think there should be an LGBT tag. I think this was said somewhere in the thread, but I believe there should be character tags instead, where characters can be labelled as homosexual or bisexual. But that's just what I think.

The entire point of Yuri on Ice was that getting into a relationship made Yuri a better skater. That Victor gave him confidence. Sure, that isn't a TYPICAL shonen ai. But that is exactly why it should be labeled. Not labeling because it doesn't fit some stupid stereo types when we think of Junjo Romantica is well, stupid. Because there is less gay in Oniisma e and that is labeled shoujo ai. It isn't even romantic.

For the manga, it is labeled Yuri, and it doesn't even have sex. And Oniismaa e ends

If Oniisama e is shoujo ai or Yuri, then Neon Genesis Evangelion's manga is shonen ai.

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Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

Nemu13 said:

I Believe YoI and No.6 have gay couples in it (both couples are also the main characters), but to me it isn't enough to label shounen-ai. I also don't think there should be an LGBT tag. I think this was said somewhere in the thread, but I believe there should be character tags instead, where characters can be labelled as homosexual or bisexual. But that's just what I think.

The entire point of Yuri on Ice was that getting into a relationship made Yuri a better skater. That Victor gave him confidence. Sure, that isn't a TYPICAL shonen ai. But that is exactly why it should be labeled. Not labeling because it doesn't fit some stupid stereo types when we think of Junjo Romantica is well, stupid. Because there is less gay in Oniisma e and that is labeled shoujo ai. It isn't even romantic.

For the manga, it is labeled Yuri, and it doesn't even have sex. And Oniismaa e ends

If Oniisama e is shoujo ai or Yuri, then Neon Genesis Evangelion's manga is shonen ai.

Just because there is a homosexual couple in an anime doesn't mean the anime should automatically be considered a shounen ai or shoujo ai. I don't label YoI a shounen-ai because its a sports anime about figure skating, not exactly about a romance between pretty boys. You may label an anime however you want, I guess, as I said before, this is all just what I think and is my opinion.

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Nemu13 said:

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:

The entire point of Yuri on Ice was that getting into a relationship made Yuri a better skater. That Victor gave him confidence. Sure, that isn't a TYPICAL shonen ai. But that is exactly why it should be labeled. Not labeling because it doesn't fit some stupid stereo types when we think of Junjo Romantica is well, stupid. Because there is less gay in Oniisma e and that is labeled shoujo ai. It isn't even romantic.

For the manga, it is labeled Yuri, and it doesn't even have sex. And Oniismaa e ends

If Oniisama e is shoujo ai or Yuri, then Neon Genesis Evangelion's manga is shonen ai.

Just because there is a homosexual couple in an anime doesn't mean the anime should automatically be considered a shounen ai or shoujo ai. I don't label YoI a shounen-ai because its a sports anime about figure skating, not exactly about a romance between pretty boys. You may label an anime however you want, I guess, as I said before, this is all just what I think and is my opinion.

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