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Jun 8, 2017 6:37 AM
#751
logic340 said: Well i still can't see it as a reason to scumread him whatsoever.wen294 said: I asked RE a question and Penta intercepted it. Sure I brought it up but Penta decided to have mechanics on his own not because he was asked about it. Big difference in how you're portraying things. Also it's not something that I was spending a bunch of time on yet Penta says let's not spend too much time on this.Suzune-chan said: @Logic340, @Coelstein, @wen294, @Karote Since you all asked about my Pentaflare vote. I began to notice right away when she made the comment about the jumper potential. Link The topic arose a lot of interest on the topic because that role is not used or as well known as it used to be. Regardless in less then a page of comments penta flips the conversations. Says that talking about mechanics is not worth it. However, they were the first person to bring it up and then just shrugged it off. This struck me as quite odd. Ling After this moment, Penta is praised by several people for their thinking but the majority of the posts were light and fluffy about games people played, alignments, and this stuff about husbands. Penta just answered you. Even if the question wasn't directly aimed at you you asked it to multiple people and at the time i also thought it was more of a question aimed at the group than 1 individual. His reply was normal and the only reason it turned to mechanics was because other people asked penta about the mechanics. Your contribution to the convo turning to mechanics there was as big as penta's tbh. |
Jun 8, 2017 6:38 AM
#752
Votes so far! PentaFlare (1) - (Suzune-chan) Shinichi-Kun (1) - (Militus) logic340 (2) - (AbuHumaid, PentaFlare) ironace (4) - (Sleipnirr, wen294, Rinto-kun, grrr) PTYamin (2) - (yurkin, RE1031]) AbuHumaid (1) - (reiynii) Militus (2) - (logic340, ironace) reiynii (1) - (Coelestin) Not voting: Shinichi-Kun, DenjaX, PTYamin, SuzakuTsubasa, Karote Time until Night 1! TIMER! |
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Jun 8, 2017 6:39 AM
#753
PentaFlare said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on.wen294 said: @Pentaflare interesting idea but how does that work out exactly? Sounds like it'll end up being a repeat of points that the player already replied to which then drags on for overly long and just ends up with annoyed people. No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. |
Jun 8, 2017 6:42 AM
#754
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Jun 8, 2017 6:44 AM
#755
wen294 said: PentaFlare said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on.wen294 said: @Pentaflare interesting idea but how does that work out exactly? Sounds like it'll end up being a repeat of points that the player already replied to which then drags on for overly long and just ends up with annoyed people. No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. |
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Jun 8, 2017 6:47 AM
#756
@PentaFlare Interesting. So no open set-ups these days in MS? What is the reason for that? |
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Jun 8, 2017 6:53 AM
#757
The_Pyromaani said: @PentaFlare Interesting. So no open set-ups these days in MS? What is the reason for that? Just the meta I guess. There was a big shift away from them when mass claiming kept breaking games. I don't know why they haven't come back. |
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Jun 8, 2017 6:56 AM
#758
Jun 8, 2017 6:58 AM
#759
yurkin said: Castle panic and EEM had a open set-up, no? I get penta's idea from the time with spoonfeeding, sleip etc. So basically question players one by one to clear them or something, ok i got it. No. Castle panic wasn't completely open. There were hidden elements in that game. Before Easter Egg, the last open set-up I can think of was Akatsuki no Yona. |
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Jun 8, 2017 6:59 AM
#760
@yurkin Are you willing to vote for logic? We need to get trains building and lynch pressure on players. |
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Jun 8, 2017 6:59 AM
#761
PentaFlare said: yurkin said: Castle panic and EEM had a open set-up, no? I get penta's idea from the time with spoonfeeding, sleip etc. So basically question players one by one to clear them or something, ok i got it. No. Castle panic wasn't completely open. There were hidden elements in that game. Before Easter Egg, the last open set-up I can think of was Akatsuki no Yona. Although I was mostly on hiatus from September to December, so something could have happened then. |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:03 AM
#762
@Karote PTYamin, Militus, Abu Dang, I'd say everyone from the list for now except for you, nothing outstanding showing me there are townies here. |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:09 AM
#763
PentaFlare said: @yurkin Are you willing to vote for logic? We need to get trains building and lynch pressure on players. >: hmm penta, my vote itself wont do much of pressure, since its not my thing in general to pressure players with my vote that is. But i dont mind the idea of questioning... so maybe i can. The only flaw i see there is that people like yamin cant get questioned due to their activity. |
Jun 8, 2017 7:10 AM
#764
@Karote, could you compile another list with everyone's top 4 reliable people? |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:11 AM
#765
It's shit - the person is nowhere to be seen. I think I'll jump out and/or catch another train when the time comes, not afraid of a random lynch. |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:12 AM
#766
PentaFlare said: The_Pyromaani said: @PentaFlare Interesting. So no open set-ups these days in MS? What is the reason for that? Just the meta I guess. There was a big shift away from them when mass claiming kept breaking games. I don't know why they haven't come back. Naruhodo. Back in the days people rlly didnt rlly use mass claiming before some point of game just to keep it fun lol |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:19 AM
#767
PentaFlare said: you don't necessarily have to run me up. If you ask nicely I might be willing to share that information with you I don't have a very powerful role per se so I do think that at some point I want to reveal what I am anyways. You might could even say I have hinted to it in the thread if you look at my post you may be able to pick up on what it is.Everyone please read this carefully Although it is great that people are providing reads and listing people for Karote, since that does show where everyone is in terms of mindset, we can't forget that we are lynching someone in 7 hours. That needs to be our focus right now. Because this is an open set-up, there is a way we should be approach this part of the phase. There seems to be a few suspects that many different people are wary of. To decide the lynch, ad need to run each of these players up one at a time. Focus on them for a moment, force a claim, decide if their claim is believable, and let them defend themself. If they seem good after this, we move on to another suspect. The most suspicious person gets lynched. This approach is very effective at sorting players and getting interaction that is very telling once there have been flips, but go do this, there needs to be focus from the town and an effort to get things done. I would like to start with logic. I have reasons to suspect him, but others have also said they are feeling a little suspicious or wary of him. Let's run him up, force a claim, and get a my heart clearer read, one way or the other. We need other people to vote him though to get him as the leading train. I don't want this to devolve into a last minute scramble. We have 7 hours, so if we start now we can make an educated lynch that is many times more likely to catch scum. |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:27 AM
#768
PentaFlare said: PentaFlare said: yurkin said: Castle panic and EEM had a open set-up, no? I get penta's idea from the time with spoonfeeding, sleip etc. So basically question players one by one to clear them or something, ok i got it. No. Castle panic wasn't completely open. There were hidden elements in that game. Before Easter Egg, the last open set-up I can think of was Akatsuki no Yona. Although I was mostly on hiatus from September to December, so something could have happened then. Btw penta, since you play open set-ups elsewhere, are these more easily won by town? Meaning isn't it like impossible for scums to hide and win in such set-ups? |
Jun 8, 2017 7:30 AM
#769
wen294 said: I probably had more to do with and I don't have a scum read on Panta so not sure where that is even coming from. I've said multiple times he's in neutral and I'm taking my time in developing that read.logic340 said: Well i still can't see it as a reason to scumread him whatsoever.wen294 said: Suzune-chan said: I think logic was the one who got started with sledge, then penta gave his answer to logic's question. Because people didn't know what a jumper was it turned to mechanics. I really didn't get the feeling that penta wanted to talk about mechanics from the start though, but that the conversation just kinda went there and then he stopped it from going on for too long. @Logic340, @Coelstein, @wen294, @Karote Since you all asked about my Pentaflare vote. I began to notice right away when she made the comment about the jumper potential. Link The topic arose a lot of interest on the topic because that role is not used or as well known as it used to be. Regardless in less then a page of comments penta flips the conversations. Says that talking about mechanics is not worth it. However, they were the first person to bring it up and then just shrugged it off. This struck me as quite odd. Ling After this moment, Penta is praised by several people for their thinking but the majority of the posts were light and fluffy about games people played, alignments, and this stuff about husbands. Penta just answered you. Even if the question wasn't directly aimed at you you asked it to multiple people and at the time i also thought it was more of a question aimed at the group than 1 individual. His reply was normal and the only reason it turned to mechanics was because other people asked penta about the mechanics. Your contribution to the convo turning to mechanics there was as big as penta's tbh. |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:30 AM
#770
Jun 8, 2017 7:47 AM
#771
Floofs said: I would hope not...lol. logic340 said: @Rinto-kun your grace period is over. Thoughts on the lead train and it's voters? @AbuHumaid if you could share your thoughts as you catch up it would be much appreciated. @PTYamin I'm going to find it pretty scummy if you pop up to vote at phase change with the D1 you've had so far @Floofs this is eerily similar to your recent scum game. Same thing I said to PTYamin applies to you (especially with how those two EoD's went in Gakkougurashi!). Just because I did it once doesn't make it my special move XD |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:51 AM
#772
wen294 said: fair enough I see what you're getting at. Unless I do something really stupid I'm pretty sure I'm be seeing D2. It's not really a plan as much ss my reasoning for not wanting to lynch him D1 for no apparent reason.logic340 said: inb4 you get nightkilled N1 and scum!sleip wraps up the game.just do you know my read on Sleipnirr is also neutral right now. After he wrecked me in Castle Panic and I Vigged him in Stray Dogs I realized something about Sleipnirr's late game play as town. I promised him I wouldn't let him be lynch fodder D1 because he's an important asset if he's town and I'm confident I can catch him as scum. So unless I'm certain he's scum or there is a great case against him in not touching it. A plan that relies on you making it into late game, and especially when you announce that plan beforehand, has a habit of failing. Might be just me tho. |
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Jun 8, 2017 7:54 AM
#773
quote=Coelestin message=51025759]reiynii reiynii said: I don't think Logic has much to post about yet, and I much prefer the shorter posts than the longer ones anyway! Aside from RVS, I wonder why is everyone so keen on Shinichi-kun's lynch? I'd like to get a cola myself but I don't want to lynch someone for no reason.. I honestly don't even understand how the Cola system works ;-; reiynii said: Shinichi-kun is a good friend and a kind person, he also has a twin which not only makes him very lucky, but also gives him one thing he and Beyonce have in common! I played with him a couple of times but I don't think he is all that to be wary of..? Could be just me though! reiynii said: Shinichi-Kun said: I think you still haven't gotten to the part where people who were talking about that completely ditch the subject. I reckon you shouldn't worry though, early day one trains as you probably know never work out and people often panic at the end of the day and lynch a random player!We just causing panic tho finding the actually scum is much better than trying to figure out a hidden role. Also i think its a fair point to say the people pointing out possible roles my beat said chracter just saying. Questioning the Shin train here quite much. I suppose he’s doing the right thing here cause it is ridiculous. reiynii said: Why not? I think logic is quite trustworthy! Change vote: Abu why do you need someone to pressure you into conversation when you could be involved in one anyway? A very secretive attitude eh! This could be seen as a lazy vote. That’s kind of a weak reason to vote for someone. Sadly, the need to pressure people into talking seems to be normal on MAL. It’s not really alignment indicative… reiynii said: Militus said: I don't think Militus is mafia, because of this post actually. He isn't being lowkey about what he wants and I guess it's a bit of a town tell to me..To kill someone and see the resoults ^^ Provoke people into doing stuff that can revel information Not going to say he isn't a serial killer though, since that guy will want to get rid of everyone as soon as possible! This reminds me of myself saying last game that grrr can’t be scum because his plan couldn’t be made by scum. This one is less accurate though, because it can be more easily faked by mafia. @reiynii Who'd you pick for the five people list if you were Carrot and why? And I'd like you to pick at least two of these for the list: Shinichi, logic, PentaFlare, Coelestin, wen294 wen294 wen294 said: Yuck. ironace said: Well the reasoning was about as yuck as i expected.logic340 said: will you be sharing this reason with us now or later on? the reason isnt anything big, its actually quite simple, im trying to get understand the type of guys im playing with. Since im new, im going to take it easy for a little while This is basically what you do when you want to go with the flow, which from my experience is something you want to do as scum. Vote: ironace This could be seen as an easy vote. There’s arrogance in his replies which is easily abused as said by logic. wen294 said: ironace said: Advantages for YOU, not for town. @Coelestin being a lurker has its advantages you know, immediately voting somebody can be seen as an act of desperation, as it seems to be the case here with Shinichi-Kun, where most of the people are vary of him. immediatly voting somebody is seen as RVS, which is normal. You're just overly concious of being suspected. wen294 said: ironace said: Why the hell does he go from scum to town due to a little bit of doubt.-im going to give pentaflare the benefit of the doubt and declare that hes a townie Should he go from scum to neutral or from neutral to town if it's just a bit of doubt? Adding to that, this could be seen as painting someone scum. wen294 said: Militus said: First of all it's not the first night.SuzakuTsubasa said: Wasn't this majority mostly made during RVS though? It doesn't seem like you care about who gets lynched. I don't care on the first night, we can't get any good evidence yet. Second of all if you don't try to create evidence by interacting we'll never have any good evidence. Well maybe power roles but it should be rather obvious we ain't winning with JUST those. wen294 said: Militus said: So you don't even care who gets lynched so long as it's not you, did i get that right?wen294 said: So is there any other reason for this vote besides sheeping the majority for the sake of not having to vocalize your own opinion? To kill someone and see the resoults ^^ Provoke people into doing stuff that can revel information Meaning you don't even bother trying to lynch scum, or protect town? Talk about an anti-town mindset.... Going for another pea in that same manner. Now the thing is that it’s generally not wrong to go after such people because they need to be dealt with as well. Frustrating, dunno what to say about that, really. wen294 said: logic340 said: Militus said: There's not much to discuss on the first night, we can't get any valid clues yet. I think i found the post you're referring to: AbuHumaid said: WyNdZ said: AbuHumaid said: @WyNdZ why do you have a leaning scum on me? inactivity isn't a good reason and i'm not even inactive anymore Well I disagree that inactivity isn't a good reason. Maybe not a good enough reason to lynch someone but it's a factor. It would be beneficial for the mafia to keep a low profile. The other reasons are that your general disinterest in the beginning such as when you said nothing interesting happened today. It seems like you aren't actively searching for who is mafia. It would be helpful if you tell us your current opinions on the players. Who do you think are town and who do you think are mafia? but i'm active now do i look like i'm trying to lurk? that wasn't disinterest, i genuinely just assumed that we wouldn't say much cause in day 1 we don't have much info, you see i'm not an experienced player so i didn't know how days 1 are like in MS. i can't think of anyone rn other than Melanoid, if he flips town then mafia are doing good at their job, i suspected Zymf too first but when you revealed that he's the confirmed townie he became neutral for me. i believe that after day 1 i will know more It is similar but it kinda gives of a different feeling imo. I do think there's a subtle difference in "have" and "get" where get is showing slightly more game solving intent, but that really is subtle and it might just be a way of personal wording and not the underlying thought process showing through. In the end it's still an anti-town statement to make though, but not one i haven't seen from town before tbh. I’d like to see more actual analysis than the general statements here… wen294 said: Coelestin said: Bit of both.@wen294 Do you actually vote for ironace because you're scum reading ironace or just to get him moving? And who'd you go next for after ironace? Truth be told i'm not sold on him being scum, but it doesn't feel like he attempts to change my, or anybody that voted him, of their opinion. Kinda feels like he doesn't want to show his thought process on the matter and just ignores it, which is a bit of a shame. Then again i didn't ask him anything directly but not sure i like the fact that i have to directly ask him something to get a reaction :\ As for who besides him, i want more to see from Mil 'cause i have trouble sorting him out, i kinda like penta's case on logic which may be partially because it consists of things i normally don't consider. I want Tubacabra to have more of a presence. Abu so far reminds me of his last 2 games where he was scum both times so eh. Hope to see more of him too. Bunch of annoying inactives. Also i remember something about RE feeling off but i forgot what, might have to dig for a bit to find what that was. All in all lots of people i want to see more from, not all THAT many concrete opinions yet. Huh, ok I suppose. wen294 said: ironace said: Isn't this kinda inconsistent with what you said earlier? Following your reasoning on shinichi he can't be town or neutral because they'd want to know about sledge as well so only scum is left. What makes TPR (third party role) any different from town in the amount of knowledge they have/want about sledge? So then you basically conclude he's mafia and not vote? To me your read on shinichi comes across as stronger than your read on mil yet to vote mil. Not sure i get your thought process.ok so i have caught up with the disscussion so heres my answers to some of the questions i remember @coelestin I will not mind sheeping but you need to give atlest some convincing evidence to get my vote. And the reason why i say that shinichi is not neutral is because if he was then he would want to have some level of idea about sledge's role, but he doesnt, which isnt very beneficial to either the town or the 3rd party. Im siding with the fact that he's a mafia for now but i will not vote him for now. Ive actually forgotten why i was suspicious of grrr, he hasent talked after the begining of D1 and so i havent managed to get a better grasp of his character. As i said before my reasons were partly based on a gut feeling and that was the case with pentaflare. And for the moment of truth, the one you all have been waiting for, the person im voting for will be millitus. THIS IS NOT BECAUSE HE COPIED ME OK??!! well he appears to act too sinister and omnious, but his level is one which i believe will be avoided by the mafia. I dont think he is a townie either-if he is, hes trying to act as a shady man.I think he is neutral.I am voting for him because i see the roles of the 3rd party to be the most annoying ones to deal with. If you guys have some thoughts to share on why i could be wrong im willing to listen. But for now, vote:Millitus BTW, im soo popular right now ...hehehe. This is bad. Also mafia can work together and TPR can't. Also the TPR killing role has a higher chance of hitting scum than the chance of mafia killing TPR. In general it's better to try and get rid of the mafia before the third party roles due to these reasons. This could be seen as a continuation of the earlier posts, as a stand alone post it’s really just null. @Wen294 I’d like some analysis/reads from you on the more active players as well. @logic340 @Sleipnirr You were kinda right about his arrogance on ironace :’D Dunno if that’s just his play style though. Even after re-reading I do not feel 100% scum vibes from him, tho maybe that’s just because he only talked about the most obvious anti-town peeps so far. Let’s see what we got here.[/quote] |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:09 AM
#774
logic340 said: PentaFlare said: you don't necessarily have to run me up. If you ask nicely I might be willing to share that information with you I don't have a very powerful role per se so I do think that at some point I want to reveal what I am anyways. You might could even say I have hinted to it in the thread if you look at my post you may be able to pick up on what it is.Everyone please read this carefully Although it is great that people are providing reads and listing people for Karote, since that does show where everyone is in terms of mindset, we can't forget that we are lynching someone in 7 hours. That needs to be our focus right now. Because this is an open set-up, there is a way we should be approach this part of the phase. There seems to be a few suspects that many different people are wary of. To decide the lynch, ad need to run each of these players up one at a time. Focus on them for a moment, force a claim, decide if their claim is believable, and let them defend themself. If they seem good after this, we move on to another suspect. The most suspicious person gets lynched. This approach is very effective at sorting players and getting interaction that is very telling once there have been flips, but go do this, there needs to be focus from the town and an effort to get things done. I would like to start with logic. I have reasons to suspect him, but others have also said they are feeling a little suspicious or wary of him. Let's run him up, force a claim, and get a my heart clearer read, one way or the other. We need other people to vote him though to get him as the leading train. I don't want this to devolve into a last minute scramble. We have 7 hours, so if we start now we can make an educated lynch that is many times more likely to catch scum. Revealing too much is risky. The aim for claiming is to get a read on suspects. If everyone claims willy nilly, we will lose the really important roles like cop fast. That's why I'm suggesting getting claims from those who are run up, and not just randomly from anyone. |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:10 AM
#775
yurkin said: PentaFlare said: PentaFlare said: yurkin said: Castle panic and EEM had a open set-up, no? I get penta's idea from the time with spoonfeeding, sleip etc. So basically question players one by one to clear them or something, ok i got it. No. Castle panic wasn't completely open. There were hidden elements in that game. Before Easter Egg, the last open set-up I can think of was Akatsuki no Yona. Although I was mostly on hiatus from September to December, so something could have happened then. Btw penta, since you play open set-ups elsewhere, are these more easily won by town? Meaning isn't it like impossible for scums to hide and win in such set-ups? It's within 1% of a 50/50 win rate. That forum has a backend server for mafia that keeps track of every game and over almost 5000 games, the win rate is pretty close to 50/50 |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:10 AM
#776
PentaFlare said: fair enough continue pushing let's see how things progress.logic340 said: PentaFlare said: Everyone please read this carefully Although it is great that people are providing reads and listing people for Karote, since that does show where everyone is in terms of mindset, we can't forget that we are lynching someone in 7 hours. That needs to be our focus right now. Because this is an open set-up, there is a way we should be approach this part of the phase. There seems to be a few suspects that many different people are wary of. To decide the lynch, ad need to run each of these players up one at a time. Focus on them for a moment, force a claim, decide if their claim is believable, and let them defend themself. If they seem good after this, we move on to another suspect. The most suspicious person gets lynched. This approach is very effective at sorting players and getting interaction that is very telling once there have been flips, but go do this, there needs to be focus from the town and an effort to get things done. I would like to start with logic. I have reasons to suspect him, but others have also said they are feeling a little suspicious or wary of him. Let's run him up, force a claim, and get a my heart clearer read, one way or the other. We need other people to vote him though to get him as the leading train. I don't want this to devolve into a last minute scramble. We have 7 hours, so if we start now we can make an educated lynch that is many times more likely to catch scum. Revealing too much is risky. The aim for claiming is to get a read on suspects. If everyone claims willy nilly, we will lose the really important roles like cop fast. That's why I'm suggesting getting claims from those who are run up, and not just randomly from anyone. |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:11 AM
#777
logic340 said: PentaFlare said: fair enough continue pushing let's see how things progress.logic340 said: PentaFlare said: you don't necessarily have to run me up. If you ask nicely I might be willing to share that information with you I don't have a very powerful role per se so I do think that at some point I want to reveal what I am anyways. You might could even say I have hinted to it in the thread if you look at my post you may be able to pick up on what it is.Everyone please read this carefully Although it is great that people are providing reads and listing people for Karote, since that does show where everyone is in terms of mindset, we can't forget that we are lynching someone in 7 hours. That needs to be our focus right now. Because this is an open set-up, there is a way we should be approach this part of the phase. There seems to be a few suspects that many different people are wary of. To decide the lynch, ad need to run each of these players up one at a time. Focus on them for a moment, force a claim, decide if their claim is believable, and let them defend themself. If they seem good after this, we move on to another suspect. The most suspicious person gets lynched. This approach is very effective at sorting players and getting interaction that is very telling once there have been flips, but go do this, there needs to be focus from the town and an effort to get things done. I would like to start with logic. I have reasons to suspect him, but others have also said they are feeling a little suspicious or wary of him. Let's run him up, force a claim, and get a my heart clearer read, one way or the other. We need other people to vote him though to get him as the leading train. I don't want this to devolve into a last minute scramble. We have 7 hours, so if we start now we can make an educated lynch that is many times more likely to catch scum. Revealing too much is risky. The aim for claiming is to get a read on suspects. If everyone claims willy nilly, we will lose the really important roles like cop fast. That's why I'm suggesting getting claims from those who are run up, and not just randomly from anyone. If you are willing to claim though I would appreciate it in this situation since town all seems to be gone right now. We'll play it pretending you are being run up. |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:13 AM
#778
PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: Coelestin said: Huh? Does that mean that he has done anything out of ordinary for you yet or are you just wary of him? wen294 said: Advantages for YOU, not for town. Playing mafia is like a group project in school. There's always that one guy who just sits around doing nothing and eventually profits from all the other peeps in the group xD Tbf im the same way with jack and penta i almost lways distrust them cause of their capabilities. I mean sightless reality practically lurked every game and he was only scum once out of his like 10 games so chi chi is kinda right. Actually, tbf, I finished making mafia stats for myself recently. I have a 33% win rate as mafia. I'm not as good at playing mafia as everyone thinks. I dont think that changes the fact ur scary when it comes to making fake claims lol im just glad u cant do it here haha. |
Jun 8, 2017 8:17 AM
#779
logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Can you explain what you mean by "weird coming from you"?PentaFlare said: Coelestin said: PentaFlare said: Coelestin said: PentaFlare said: Coelestin said: PentaFlare said: Also, I'm kind of scared by logic saying we have a history. What did I do? Steal his best horse? Trespass on his land? Date his cousin? This is some real wild west stuff goin' down here and I'm not a very quick draw. ...you didn't just assume that he voted for you because you guys have played together in some games and because you're a good player he wants to figure out early? But that's no fun! I want to be a cowboy! :D As funny as you are, you didn't answer my question >.> Yeah. I figured that was likely the case, but those kind of rules don't apply out here in the wild west! :D Now you're making a joke out of me... Nope. I'm just having a little fun. You are fair in asking the question, but my answer is that I knew pretty well that was why he voted for me, but I wanted to be silly about it, hence all of this. Sorry if I'm confusing, but you should know, things work a little different out here. I own this here saloon. If you want a drink, yer welcome, but don't go causing no trouble in my saloon. This all still seems so weird coming from you. The whole roleplaying and fluff posts is just weird, either he feels like tpr. |
Jun 8, 2017 8:18 AM
#780
logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I moved off for now but revising this wont be a bad idea.logic340 said: @wen294 I feel like your going for low hanging fruit here and it's quite different from how Sleipnirr is going about it. I like that Sleipnirr wants to know ace's experience level. The problem I have is you seem to hold this first time player to the same level as other players and that's just not a fair way to duo things. I don't mind you saying yuck to players and especially not the veteran ones who understand why you may or may not be saying it but to say to new player and not explain why you're saying it just seems wrong to me. How's he supposed to know that what he did is wrong and you arise when you don't explain why so I was kind of waiting to really speak on this but since Ace is playing very similar to the way that I played in my second game I was just going to let him do his thing and watch how people approach him. Now here's where what you're doing stands out to me, Crossbell, who was scum, did pretty much the exact same thing to me. Why, because it was an easy place to look townie. So being that you want to come at ironace the way you are it makes me think you're scum looking for an easy way to look town. So you moved from not enough information to a scum lean based on your entrance adobe. Vote: wen294 With conviction You asked me to vote. You have given me more than enough reason to vote for you. Honestly this is a pretty good lead to follow once im all caught up and see the newest vote count i might help logic out on this train. Boo i was looking forward to this train. Anyawys im on page 15 |
Jun 8, 2017 8:20 AM
#781
PentaFlare said: Cause closed set-up is more enjoyable? At least imo it is.The_Pyromaani said: @PentaFlare Interesting. So no open set-ups these days in MS? What is the reason for that? Just the meta I guess. There was a big shift away from them when mass claiming kept breaking games. I don't know why they haven't come back. Open games are just far less interesting. |
Jun 8, 2017 8:21 AM
#782
PentaFlare said: I'm Hibana the Hider. I am so happy with this role because now I have the opportunity to evade the night kill which follows me so closely (8 times in 13 town games). I feel like this is kind of an informative role as well since depending on who I hide behind I know that they're either town or tpr and if I die then they were Mafia (ofc I'll share who I hid behind moments to phase change).If you are willing to claim though I would appreciate it in this situation since town all seems to be gone right now. We'll play it pretending you are being run up. While I do think it would have been nice to be targeted and have them wasted a shot on me while hiding. Now that it's out there they can sip wine over where I'll hide or will I just chill at home? edit: fixed game numbers |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:23 AM
#783
PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: wen294 said: @Pentaflare interesting idea but how does that work out exactly? Sounds like it'll end up being a repeat of points that the player already replied to which then drags on for overly long and just ends up with annoyed people. No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. Quick note: It's not that i can't be online (well i can't be online during dinner. Hell if i know when exactly that'll be). It's just that i don't really like it when it feels like i'm forced to be online. I just like to check in every now and then and do my stuff, when i feel forced to do something it just feels like a drag and that hurts for the enjoyment i get from a game, which in turn hurts my activity. |
Jun 8, 2017 8:26 AM
#784
wen294 said: PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on.wen294 said: @Pentaflare interesting idea but how does that work out exactly? Sounds like it'll end up being a repeat of points that the player already replied to which then drags on for overly long and just ends up with annoyed people. No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. Quick note: It's not that i can't be online (well i can't be online during dinner. Hell if i know when exactly that'll be). It's just that i don't really like it when it feels like i'm forced to be online. I just like to check in every now and then and do my stuff, when i feel forced to do something it just feels like a drag and that hurts for the enjoyment i get from a game, which in turn hurts my activity. But you've been online plenty in the 7 hours leading up to lynch. If someone has a reason they can't, they should say so because it is an important time. |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:30 AM
#785
I guess I could see the tpr thing. He dies weird plays to start almost every game so I didn't read too much into it. Though I did notice he didn't keep up with it for very long but I'm not sure if that really means anything? |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:32 AM
#786
PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on.wen294 said: @Pentaflare interesting idea but how does that work out exactly? Sounds like it'll end up being a repeat of points that the player already replied to which then drags on for overly long and just ends up with annoyed people. No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. Quick note: It's not that i can't be online (well i can't be online during dinner. Hell if i know when exactly that'll be). It's just that i don't really like it when it feels like i'm forced to be online. I just like to check in every now and then and do my stuff, when i feel forced to do something it just feels like a drag and that hurts for the enjoyment i get from a game, which in turn hurts my activity. But you've been online plenty in the 7 hours leading up to lynch. If someone has a reason they can't, they should say so because it is an important time. Once every 40 minutes or so, because i happen to be doing something on my laptop, yeah. On the other hand if i wanna go do something else that isn't on my laptop i'd have to go stop that and go back to this thread every now and then and that's just annoying to do. Capiche? I don't like being inactive, but i don't like it when people force me to be active either. |
Jun 8, 2017 8:34 AM
#787
Coelestin said: Well, it's true that I am not accomplishing as much as some of the other players but I don't see the point in just following one big train or two and going along with it.Vote: reiynii I don't see you accomplishing much here. Lemme see what you got for me <3 I chose Abu so that I could both pressure him with my vote into coming back to the game and becoming active before the posts accumulate on him and because of everyone saying he is a lurker and him actually kind of being as such from what I noticed this game. I'm having such a bad morning today, and won't be here for phase change but should be around for the next 3 hours before I have to go out |
Jun 8, 2017 8:37 AM
#788
Jun 8, 2017 8:39 AM
#789
wen294 said: PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on.wen294 said: @Pentaflare interesting idea but how does that work out exactly? Sounds like it'll end up being a repeat of points that the player already replied to which then drags on for overly long and just ends up with annoyed people. No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. Quick note: It's not that i can't be online (well i can't be online during dinner. Hell if i know when exactly that'll be). It's just that i don't really like it when it feels like i'm forced to be online. I just like to check in every now and then and do my stuff, when i feel forced to do something it just feels like a drag and that hurts for the enjoyment i get from a game, which in turn hurts my activity. But you've been online plenty in the 7 hours leading up to lynch. If someone has a reason they can't, they should say so because it is an important time. Once every 40 minutes or so, because i happen to be doing something on my laptop, yeah. On the other hand if i wanna go do something else that isn't on my laptop i'd have to go stop that and go back to this thread every now and then and that's just annoying to do. Capiche? I don't like being inactive, but i don't like it when people force me to be active either. You aren't inactive though. I'm not saying always be on the thread, but 7 hours is a really long time to not check in unless you are sleeping the whole time. I'll gladly give someone a pass if they have a reason not to be on at that time, but if not, I do expect someone to aim to be present at least once leading up to the deadline. |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:40 AM
#790
SuzakuTsubasa said: I am down for people voting who they are suspicious of rather than people voting to force claims.Since Logic claimed do we continue with the idea and pressure someone else? I don't mind putting my vote if you think it'll help. |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:40 AM
#791
SuzakuTsubasa said: Since Logic claimed do we continue with the idea and pressure someone else? I don't mind putting my vote if you think it'll help. Yeah. I was just taking a moment to think about the claim. It seems fine to me, so I'm willing to move on to someone else for now unless a counterclaim comes through. |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:45 AM
#792
logic340 said: SuzakuTsubasa said: I am down for people voting who they are suspicious of rather than people voting to force claims.Since Logic claimed do we continue with the idea and pressure someone else? I don't mind putting my vote if you think it'll help. You vote suspicious people to force claims. It isn't mutually exclusive |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:45 AM
#793
RE1031 said: Reread and my reads list is a mess. Shinichi-kun: Neutral. Too soon to tell. logic340: Town lean, but purely from gut. AbuHumaid: Not as active (a little suspicious), but he seems to actually be reading and thinking. DenjaX: Void. Sleipnirr: Town Lean, attitude is the same as usual, so maybe in a similar position as Shinichi-kun. Suzune-chan: Neutral, but I look forward to more of her reads. grrr: Suggests mass claim; more pushy than usual; scum lean. PTYamin: Where. Are. YOUUUUUUUU. Floofs: WhErE aRe YoU Militus: Rubs me the wrong way. I almost want to use his logic against him and lynch him instead of someone else to “see the results.” Annoys me. #503 Much BM. I know I’m town, and Karote’s town. The other person was PentaFlare, who couldn’t control the other two votes as he voted first. grrr 2.0 PentaFlare: Town Lean. Seems to be using the same tactics as normal Penta. BUT I don't know why he'd call out logic and not Coelestin. Karote: Captain. yurkin: Neutral. Feels different somehow though. SuzakuTsubasa: Even less of an impression of Rinto-kun... ironace: Few posts, most notable thing is logic and wen fighting over him... Rinto-kun: Not attention drawing at all, seems to be catching up, trusts wen for some reason... reiynii: Votes for logic, husband person, nothing beyond the norm yet... wen294: More aggressive than usual, and for little to no reason. Neutral-Scum. Coelestin: I’m not picking up a lot of scum hunting from this person tbh… Attack on Sleipnirr actually came from Pentaflare, who claims to have been “bluffing." Neutral but a little scummy. I'm actually pretty content with my vote right now. WTF is my target doing. No offense to your vote but i still feel like its doing nothing, also should i be worried that im still neutral to you?. I feel like Rei Rei is hiding something but that is just me. |
Jun 8, 2017 8:46 AM
#794
Vote: reiynii |
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Jun 8, 2017 8:46 AM
#795
PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: wen294 said: PentaFlare said: Dunno never seen it before. Sounds like an inpractical idea to me. If the person isn't very active or just can't be on before phase change due to timezones the entire plan kinda just falls apart and turns into the bashing of a person that isn't on.wen294 said: @Pentaflare interesting idea but how does that work out exactly? Sounds like it'll end up being a repeat of points that the player already replied to which then drags on for overly long and just ends up with annoyed people. No. I have no idea how that would happen. This actually results in new content instead of long conversations that drag on. Run people up, get claims, decide. This is not a new idea like you seem to be implying. This is how to play open setups. This will work. The problem is that there are almost no open set-ups played in MS. I play on another forum that almost exclusively plays open set-ups. This is how to play. If you aren't going to be online at any point leading up to the phase change, you need to say that. It is a very important time, so if you are going to miss all of it and don't tell anyone, you aren't going to be given lynch immunity. Quick note: It's not that i can't be online (well i can't be online during dinner. Hell if i know when exactly that'll be). It's just that i don't really like it when it feels like i'm forced to be online. I just like to check in every now and then and do my stuff, when i feel forced to do something it just feels like a drag and that hurts for the enjoyment i get from a game, which in turn hurts my activity. But you've been online plenty in the 7 hours leading up to lynch. If someone has a reason they can't, they should say so because it is an important time. Once every 40 minutes or so, because i happen to be doing something on my laptop, yeah. On the other hand if i wanna go do something else that isn't on my laptop i'd have to go stop that and go back to this thread every now and then and that's just annoying to do. Capiche? I don't like being inactive, but i don't like it when people force me to be active either. You aren't inactive though. I'm not saying always be on the thread, but 7 hours is a really long time to not check in unless you are sleeping the whole time. I'll gladly give someone a pass if they have a reason not to be on at that time, but if not, I do expect someone to aim to be present at least once leading up to the deadline. Once is no problem but if you say pressure Grrr now and he isn't on untill 3 hours from now then those 3 hours wouldn't have gotten you anywhere. Unless you say change votes and pressure to someone else but at that point in time the other person can just lurk when he notices the situation and play it off later. Since the votes are gone he has no further need to worsen his own situation if it means holding out for another day. Idem for any other person really. |
Jun 8, 2017 8:47 AM
#796
Jun 8, 2017 8:48 AM
#797
Also i feel like we aren't really getting anything BUT claims from this and if that's the case why didn't we just accept grrr's massclaim plan in the first place... And it's only usefull if people are on in time to counterclaim. |
Jun 8, 2017 8:50 AM
#799
...? What's gotten into you with being all popcorn-claimy in the last and this game Penta? |
Jun 8, 2017 8:50 AM
#800
wen294 said: Also i feel like we aren't really getting anything BUT claims from this and if that's the case why didn't we just accept grrr's massclaim plan in the first place... And it's only usefull if people are on in time to counterclaim. We should be getting things that aren't claims from this, but the problem is that a vast majority of the players aren't online and aren't reacting. There's a little more information being provided though. |
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