| We live in an oligarchy - The fact that "net neutrality" ever existed was a pleasant anomaly, but unsurprisingly one that the oligarchs would "fix". We have already sufficiently proven to the rest of the world that our policies regarding business are horrifically inefficient (for the general populous that is) - Costing far more for far less. I doubt other countries will seek to emulate this, similar to how other industrialized countries vehemently avoid how we run healthcare (both health insurance and hospitals) as well as ISPs themselves. |
Pirating_NinjaMay 19, 2017 9:22 AM
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| We had a good run I guess... I'll be waiting patiently for Trump fans to explain to me how their lord and savior has allowed this to occur. |
| Uh huh, and it says that Obama actually protected neutrality. Go figure, all the Trump headz thought Donald was their free speech libertarian bad man. He's just a fucker tho *~* But anyways, this really might not be cause for alarm. People have been worried about this for years, and the FCC has been trying their darndest to take the internet down a peg. But even if this legislation goes through, there's a good chance your internet experience wouldn't change much. I think we all already know how it feels to have internet monstrosities like Google control what you have access to. It's frustrating, but rarely signifies the end of the line. Of course, having the internet cut might be a blessing in disguise. Would be like the early 90's again :D |
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| oh hey you want the MAL package? thatll be $19.99 extra a month. oh youre gonna leave this ISP too baaddd we have an effective monopoly. welcome to the darkest timelineu bois |
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Mhh... I can see the time that this will happen: |
Ikaros_42oh said: oh hey you want the MAL package? thatll be $19.99 extra a month. oh youre gonna leave this ISP too baaddd we have an effective monopoly. welcome to the darkest timelineu bois your not thinking just how bad this will be I hope our local trumsters are ready to pay for there online access want to access anime sites like crunchyroll youtube or other sites you commonly use to watch anime that will be 10000$ a month want to use game services like origin U play or steam? 2000$ a month whats that you want to access sites like newegg? to bad there competitors are paying us to keep you from accessing it. lets not forget this effects sites like Netflix. you have to pay to use netflix and now your going to have to pay to access netflix have fun with that one. i can't help but notice our local trump supporters are leaving this thread alone hmm. |
GrimAtramentMay 19, 2017 12:55 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
hazerddex said: Ikaros_42oh said: oh hey you want the MAL package? thatll be $19.99 extra a month. oh youre gonna leave this ISP too baaddd we have an effective monopoly. welcome to the darkest timelineu bois your not thinking just how bad this will be I hope our local trumsters are ready to pay for there online access want to access anime sites like crunchyroll youtube or other sites you commonly use to watch anime that will be 10000$ a month want to use game services like origin U play or steam? 2000$ a month whats that you want to access sites like newegg? to bad there competitors are paying us to keep you from accessing it. lets not forget this effects sites like Netflix. you have to pay to use netflix and now your going to have to pay to access netflix have fun with that one. i know it could be worse i was trying to be somewhat realistic with my predictions because if it ever got THAT expensive nobody'd use it obv good point on the paying for censorship (effectively) bit though, hadnt thought of that. |
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hazerddex said: your not thinking just how bad this will be I hope our local trumsters are ready to pay for there online access want to access anime sites like crunchyroll youtube or other sites you commonly use to watch anime that will be 10000$ a month want to use game services like origin U play or steam? 2000$ a month whats that you want to access sites like newegg? to bad there competitors are paying us to keep you from accessing it. lets not forget this effects sites like Netflix. you have to pay to use netflix and now your going to have to pay to access netflix have fun with that one. i can't help but notice our local trump supporters are leaving this thread alone hmm. lol you literally made all of this up though. nothing is going to change, corporations are already in control of the internet. if they wanted it shut down, it would be. politics have nothing to do with it |
Ivich said: hazerddex said: your not thinking just how bad this will be I hope our local trumsters are ready to pay for there online access want to access anime sites like crunchyroll youtube or other sites you commonly use to watch anime that will be 10000$ a month want to use game services like origin U play or steam? 2000$ a month whats that you want to access sites like newegg? to bad there competitors are paying us to keep you from accessing it. lets not forget this effects sites like Netflix. you have to pay to use netflix and now your going to have to pay to access netflix have fun with that one. i can't help but notice our local trump supporters are leaving this thread alone hmm. lol you literally made all of this up though. nothing is going to change, corporations are already in control of the internet. if they wanted it shut down, it would be. politics have nothing to do with it oh look that cute some one who does not know what net neutrality is. why don't you educate yourself on the subject before saying the Corporations control it. net neutrality is what is PREVENTING corporations from doing what i just said. here let me get you started on your research Net neutrality "the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites." |
GrimAtramentMay 19, 2017 1:12 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazerddex said: oh look that cute some one who does not know what net neutrality is. why don't you educate yourself on the subject before saying the Corporations control it. net neutrality is what is PREVENTING corporations from doing what i just said. here let me get you started on your research Net neutrality "the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites." yeah i'm just not gullible enough to believe that this is preventing corporations from controlling the internet though. |
JustALEX said: le Drumpf is done. It's over. He's finis--We had a good run I guess... I'll be waiting patiently for Trump fans to explain to me how their lord and savior has allowed this to occur. Don't worry, I'm not here for that. Above all, my principles come before people and I abhor the idea of censoring human expression. Book burning never truly ended. j0x said: Make NetZer0 Great Again!murica get ready for more slow and expensive internet |
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| probably the only good thing my dumbass country's [congress? was it?] govt did was shut facebook's bullshit free internet scam down and voted in favor of net neutrality. |
| Why hasn't anyone attacked these corporations that lobby for this yet? Ratohnhaketon said: j0x said: Make NetZer0 Great Again!murica get ready for more slow and expensive internet Actually it would be even slower of an ISP has under a certain amount of users. I doubt many use NetZero My ISP costs around 100 dollars per month since they have a monopoly in my area. |
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JustALEX said: I guess my defense is that Trump isn't part of the FCC and the current appointees of the FCC are all Obama's.We had a good run I guess... I'll be waiting patiently for Trump fans to explain to me how their lord and savior has allowed this to occur. |
Ivich said: hazerddex said: oh look that cute some one who does not know what net neutrality is. why don't you educate yourself on the subject before saying the Corporations control it. net neutrality is what is PREVENTING corporations from doing what i just said. here let me get you started on your research Net neutrality "the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites." yeah i'm just not gullible enough to believe that this is preventing corporations from controlling the internet though. LMAO anyone can create webpage you sillybilly (at least for now lol) |
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Thrashinuva said: Trump appointed Ajit Pai as head of the FCC - Although this is a relatively obvious point when you consider that prior to Trump's administration, the FCC under Obama had been what passed Net Neutrality. Too be fair, Ajit Pai held another role within the FCC (appointed by Obama - Although that is because the FCC requires Republican and Democrat representation, and since most Republicans are anti-Net Neutrality - Verizon / Comcast / TWC / AT&T know who to bribe - it is obvious that the representative for Republicans would be anti-Net Neutrality); however, even if we pretend Obama appointed Pai as head of the FCC, Trump keeping him despite his primary focus being to repeal Net Neutrality, it would just mean Trump is complicit in the repeal of Net Neutrality (or else he would have appointed someone else). Because Trump has the ability to appoint members of the FCC (including the head), by keeping someone anti-Net Neutrality, he literally "allowed" it to be shot down - Of course this hypothetical is ridiculous as he was an active participant in the direction of the FCC when he appointed Ajit Pai as chairman of the FCC. And Ajit Pai has made no secret of his desire to dismantle Net Neutrality, to the point it was one of his primary goals . . . When one appoints the chairman of the FCC who has a goal to dismantle a regulation passed by the FCC 2 years prior, you do not fault the prior FCC for the policy shift you now see - you fault the man who decided to have an active anti-Net Neutrality advocate head the FCC.JustALEX said: I guess my defense is that Trump isn't part of the FCC and the current appointees of the FCC are all Obama's.We had a good run I guess... I'll be waiting patiently for Trump fans to explain to me how their lord and savior has allowed this to occur. |
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| If prices go up to the point that we can't use sites like MAL, YouTube, CrunchyRoll, ect. maybe we'd be forced to go outside and be normies regular human beings |
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OBruxo said: If prices go up to the point that we can't use sites like MAL, YouTube, CrunchyRoll, ect. maybe we'd be forced to go outside and be normies regular human beings No, what would happen is someone would create a place like the net where people can do what they did on the net before. Probably have some more crazy shit added to it as well. Also this only applies to American ISPs right? |
ThRippJckMay 19, 2017 8:13 PM
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Thrashinuva said: JustALEX said: I guess my defense is that Trump isn't part of the FCC and the current appointees of the FCC are all Obama's.We had a good run I guess... I'll be waiting patiently for Trump fans to explain to me how their lord and savior has allowed this to occur. no trump appointed a new FFC so this is completely on him. Also Obama was the one who fought to keep net neutrality in the first place. way to do your research not that i'm surprised by that you have not. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| Time to download everything, I now have around 5 Tbs of anime stored up, and probably next week it will double to 10. The only good thing I could see in this is that if ISPs are slower, physical game disks will become the norm again, then again, that is still a pretty shitty trade off. |
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| Sorry perverts, you're not entitled to shit. You can't just call something a "utility" and get it for free. If this makes you have to watch your porn more slowly, I'm glad. |
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hazerddex said: Actually... I did. Thrashinuva said: I guess my defense is that Trump isn't part of the FCC and the current appointees of the FCC are all Obama's. no trump appointed a new FFC so this is completely on him. Also Obama was the one who fought to keep net neutrality in the first place. way to do your research not that i'm surprised by that you have not. https://www.fcc.gov/about/leadership P_N was right in that Ajit Pai was made Chairman by Trump, however he was appointed to the FCC by Obama, as I said before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_V._Pai Mignon Clyburn was appointed by Obama and was the previous Chairman as directed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignon_Clyburn Michael O'Reilly was appointed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Rielly The only person who's term would have ended so far would have been Ajit Pai, who Trump turned into a chairman. The other two's terms have not ended yet and Trump has done nothing to influence their stay or leave. |
| ISP's were already throttling speeds and charging people more. I guess it wouldn't be illegal to do it anymore. All of this is bad for the consumer, but not the businesses. Would be nice if Trump shut this down, but I don't see that happening. |
byakugami said: Somehow your post's stupidity stood out more than the others I read---please read some more on the subject, instead of being one of those perverts that brings up porn in every conversation concerning the internet. Sorry perverts, you're not entitled to shit. You can't just call something a "utility" and get it for free. If this makes you have to watch your porn more slowly, I'm glad. |
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Vokren said: Ivich said: yeah i'm just not gullible enough to believe that this is preventing corporations from controlling the internet though. It's not about having the ability to control the internet or not, because to an extent ISP's already do. It's about giving them even more and more power to do it with the end of a law that prevented them to - new and more dangerous ways to screw the law abiding citizen (stupid) Example: instead of thieves threatening you with pistols and knives they now start using war tanks and rocket launchers Yes, but it might not in the future because other governments follow whatever corrupt stupidity happens in murica (like the UK, maybe Canada too?). Some European ISP's also violate net neutrality in smaller scales. UK is already starting to do this right now |
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Thrashinuva said: hazerddex said: Actually... I did. no trump appointed a new FFC so this is completely on him. Also Obama was the one who fought to keep net neutrality in the first place. way to do your research not that i'm surprised by that you have not. https://www.fcc.gov/about/leadership P_N was right in that Ajit Pai was made Chairman by Trump, however he was appointed to the FCC by Obama, as I said before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_V._Pai Mignon Clyburn was appointed by Obama and was the previous Chairman as directed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignon_Clyburn Michael O'Reilly was appointed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Rielly The only person who's term would have ended so far would have been Ajit Pai, who Trump turned into a chairman. The other two's terms have not ended yet and Trump has done nothing to influence their stay or leave. ok but its mostly about who the chairman is right... also while the previous chairman werent able to firmly pass pro net neutrality laws theres quite a difference compared to the Pai motherfucker who is straight anti net neutrality and the blame has to go on trump for promoting this dude. like compare Tom Wheeler (obamas pick for chairman) with Ajit Pai (trumps 'pick') for me please. |
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Ikaros_42oh said: I wouldn't know, but I don't think you can just say the chairman holds all the power now, but didn't before.Thrashinuva said: Actually... I did. https://www.fcc.gov/about/leadership P_N was right in that Ajit Pai was made Chairman by Trump, however he was appointed to the FCC by Obama, as I said before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_V._Pai Mignon Clyburn was appointed by Obama and was the previous Chairman as directed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignon_Clyburn Michael O'Reilly was appointed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Rielly The only person who's term would have ended so far would have been Ajit Pai, who Trump turned into a chairman. The other two's terms have not ended yet and Trump has done nothing to influence their stay or leave. ok but its mostly about who the chairman is right... also while the previous chairman werent able to firmly pass pro net neutrality laws theres quite a difference compared to the Pai motherfucker who is straight anti net neutrality and the blame has to go on trump for promoting this dude. like compare Tom Wheeler (obamas pick for chairman) with Ajit Pai (trumps 'pick') for me please. |
Thrashinuva said: This is dishonest (or uninformed). I don't know how else to put it since the spin you are pulling beggars belief.hazerddex said: Actually... I did. no trump appointed a new FFC so this is completely on him. Also Obama was the one who fought to keep net neutrality in the first place. way to do your research not that i'm surprised by that you have not. https://www.fcc.gov/about/leadership P_N was right in that Ajit Pai was made Chairman by Trump, however he was appointed to the FCC by Obama, as I said before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_V._Pai Mignon Clyburn was appointed by Obama and was the previous Chairman as directed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignon_Clyburn Michael O'Reilly was appointed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Rielly The only person who's term would have ended so far would have been Ajit Pai, who Trump turned into a chairman. The other two's terms have not ended yet and Trump has done nothing to influence their stay or leave. 1) Of course Obama appointed Republican commissioners - Only 3 of the 5 can go to Democrats, and because they require Senate approval, selecting 3 democrats and (for example) 2 green party commissioners would never work. 2) Net Neutrality was passed on a 3-2 vote; the 2 were Ajit Pai and Michael O'Rielly (The two republicans) - Again, as noted above, because of the way in which the FCC commissioners works, of course Obama appointed the two (he had been in office for well over 5 years) and of course they were Republican (it still requires senate approval to appoint them, and there were already 3 Democrats in the FCC). 3) The 3 Democrats - as stated above - were all for Net Neutrality (although Wheeler was likely a cop-out after realizing he was going to get slammed by the Public if he instead kept trying what he was doing in 2014 which would have set into law ISP's ability to fuck around w/ internet). 4) The current FCC consists of Ajit Pai, Michael O'Rielly, and Mignon Clyburn - with only Clyburn (Note: The Democrat, also should note that she was temporary chairwoman of the FCC and replaced by Wheeler. She was not the chairwoman at any point leading up to Net Neutrality so it kind of confuses me why one would mention her as being chairwoman) - being pro-net Neutrality. Now, Wheeler could have stayed another year, although it wouldn't have made a difference since the new head would still be Pai and priority would have been given to fill the 5th slot w/ another Republican to again reinstate majority. (The other commissioner, Jessica Rosenworcel, was not reinstated after her term ended in January 2017). 5) Essentially it boils down to this - Republicans (obviously) want a majority in the FCC - The only way for Net Neutrality to exist however is to have a Democratic majority as Republicans are more concerned w/ appeasing $$$ (You really can't justify "unfair regulation" in an industry that is primarily composed of state-sanctioned regional monopolies). Trump absolutely allowed Net Neutrality to pass, hence why he doesn't say a word - Just like how he doesn't say a word about the regulations currently in place in many regions of the United States that prevent competing ISPs to move into the area of an already existing company. 6) Too suggest that the repeal of Net Neutrality was done by people under Obama's time is dishonest. Obama (and by the way, criticized as a dictator for doing so), pushed for Net Neutrality. |
Pirating_NinjaMay 20, 2017 12:12 PM
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Pirating_Ninja said: Uuhhhhhh. Go fuck yourself dude. I wasn't implying anything. I merely read something and restated it.Thrashinuva said: This is dishonest (or uninformed). I don't know how else to put it since the spin you are pulling beggars belief.Actually... I did. https://www.fcc.gov/about/leadership P_N was right in that Ajit Pai was made Chairman by Trump, however he was appointed to the FCC by Obama, as I said before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_V._Pai Mignon Clyburn was appointed by Obama and was the previous Chairman as directed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignon_Clyburn Michael O'Reilly was appointed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Rielly The only person who's term would have ended so far would have been Ajit Pai, who Trump turned into a chairman. The other two's terms have not ended yet and Trump has done nothing to influence their stay or leave. 1) Of course Obama appointed Republican commissioners - Only 3 of the 5 can go to Democrats, and because they require Senate approval, selecting 3 democrats and (for example) 2 green party commissioners would never work. 2) Net Neutrality was passed on a 3-2 vote; the 2 were Ajit Pai and Michael O'Rielly (The two republicans) - Again, as noted above, because of the way in which the FCC commissioners works, of course Obama appointed the two (he had been in office for well over 5 years) and of course they were Republican (it still requires senate approval to appoint them, and there were already 3 Democrats in the FCC). 3) The 3 Democrats - as stated above - were all for Net Neutrality (although Wheeler was likely a cop-out after realizing he was going to get slammed by the Public if he instead kept trying what he was doing in 2014 which would have set into law ISP's ability to fuck around w/ internet). 4) The current FCC consists of Ajit Pai, Michael O'Rielly, and Mignon Clyburn - with only Clyburn (Note: The Democrat, also should note that she was temporary chairwoman of the FCC and replaced by Wheeler. She was not the chairwoman at any point leading up to Net Neutrality so it kind of confuses me why one would mention her as being chairwoman) - being pro-net Neutrality. Now, Wheeler could have stayed another year, although it wouldn't have made a difference since the new head would still be Pai and priority would have been given to fill the 5th slot w/ another Republican to again reinstate majority. (The other commissioner, Jessica Rosenworcel, was not reinstated after her term ended in January 2017). 5) Essentially it boils down to this - Republicans (obviously) want a majority in the FCC - The only way for Net Neutrality to exist however is to have a Democratic majority as Republicans are more concerned w/ appeasing $$$ (You really can't justify "unfair regulation" in an industry that is primarily composed of state-sanctioned regional monopolies). Trump absolutely allowed Net Neutrality to pass, hence why he doesn't say a word - Just like how he doesn't say a word about the regulations currently in place in many regions of the United States that prevent competing ISPs to move into the area of an already existing company. 6) Too suggest that the repeal of Net Neutrality was done by people under Obama's time is dishonest. Obama (and by the way, criticized as a dictator for doing so), pushed for Net Neutrality. |
| Could someone explain to me what this does? I'm a little clueless when it comes to internet rights. |
Azurblau said: Could someone explain to me what this does? I'm a little clueless when it comes to internet rights. the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites. Without it, ISP's can do things such as charge sites (such as Netflix or Youtube) to pay large sums of money in order to avoid having their speed throttled and becoming less usable or unusable for the consumer (which they have done before). They can also throttle the speed into oblivion, so for example, if Comcast decided to start a streaming site similar to Netflix, they could essentially prohibit customers from accessing any video streaming site other than their own. AT&T / Verizon / T-Mobile banded together to do this before, after releasing a product that was a competitor to Google Wallet (which essentially put Google Wallet out of business since nobody could access it). https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/24/net-neutrality-what-is-it-guide/23237737/ ---------------------------------------------- It is important to note that those who support the recent repeal of Net Neutrality are stating that in a "competitive market", ISPs will not abuse the power to do this - However in America the ISP industry is distinctly Non-competitive as many regions within the US are split into zones in which only a single ISP has the right to lay down cable (i.e. regional monopolies). In fact, 1/3 of America lives in an area where there is only 1 ISP, and 80% of Americans live in an area where there is only one ISP that could provide 25mbps (which is still less than 1/40 the speed of nations with good internet like Japan or Korea). |
Pirating_NinjaMay 20, 2017 2:19 PM
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Pirating_Ninja said: Azurblau said: Could someone explain to me what this does? I'm a little clueless when it comes to internet rights. the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites. Without it, ISP's can do things such as charge sites (such as Netflix or Youtube) to pay large sums of money in order to avoid having their speed throttled and becoming less usable or unusable for the consumer (which they have done before). They can also throttle the speed into oblivion, so for example, if Comcast decided to start a streaming site similar to Netflix, they could essentially prohibit customers from accessing any video streaming site other than their own. AT&T / Verizon / T-Mobile banded together to do this before, after releasing a product that was a competitor to Google Wallet (which essentially put Google Wallet out of business since nobody could access it). https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/24/net-neutrality-what-is-it-guide/23237737/ ---------------------------------------------- It is important to note that those who support the recent repeal of Net Neutrality are stating that in a "competitive market", ISPs will not abuse the power to do this - However in America the ISP industry is distinctly Non-competitive as many regions within the US are split into zones in which only a single ISP has the right to lay down cable (i.e. regional monopolies). In fact, 1/3 of America lives in an area where there is only 1 ISP, and 80% of Americans live in an area where there is only one ISP that could provide 25mbps (which is still less than 1/40 the speed of nations with good internet like Japan or Korea). Thanks for the explanation. So has this only to do with data transmission speed & abuse of it? Or could they also completely block sites? If I use T-Mobile for example and want to use Spotify could they basically ''block it''? (don't live in America btw) |
byakugami said: Sorry perverts, you're not entitled to shit. You can't just call something a "utility" and get it for free. If this makes you have to watch your porn more slowly, I'm glad. Dude buffering is the worst when watching porn. |
Azurblau said: Pirating_Ninja said: Without it, ISP's can do things such as charge sites (such as Netflix or Youtube) to pay large sums of money in order to avoid having their speed throttled and becoming less usable or unusable for the consumer (which they have done before). They can also throttle the speed into oblivion, so for example, if Comcast decided to start a streaming site similar to Netflix, they could essentially prohibit customers from accessing any video streaming site other than their own. AT&T / Verizon / T-Mobile banded together to do this before, after releasing a product that was a competitor to Google Wallet (which essentially put Google Wallet out of business since nobody could access it). https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/24/net-neutrality-what-is-it-guide/23237737/ ---------------------------------------------- It is important to note that those who support the recent repeal of Net Neutrality are stating that in a "competitive market", ISPs will not abuse the power to do this - However in America the ISP industry is distinctly Non-competitive as many regions within the US are split into zones in which only a single ISP has the right to lay down cable (i.e. regional monopolies). In fact, 1/3 of America lives in an area where there is only 1 ISP, and 80% of Americans live in an area where there is only one ISP that could provide 25mbps (which is still less than 1/40 the speed of nations with good internet like Japan or Korea). Thanks for the explanation. So has this only to do with data transmission speed & abuse of it? Or could they also completely block sites? If I use T-Mobile for example and want to use Spotify could they basically ''block it''? (don't live in America btw) no isp can still throttle not to much or they will get in trouble for it. however Net neutrality prevented them from making you pay stupidly high fees to access certain sites/services. i.e with out net neutrality you might have to pay to access sites like Netflix,youtube, crunchyroll,etc or pay to use services like steam, Origin, U play and others of such nature. this would be especially bad as many isp completely own certain areas of the country and can basically charge you whatever they want for each feature. people think its bad now with ISP monopolizing certain neighborhoods. but they are attest prevented from making you pay 1000$ to access certain sites or services. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Azurblau said: Could someone explain to me what this does? I'm a little clueless when it comes to internet rights. Net neutrality basically just means that all sites have to be treated the same by ISPs. |
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LoneWolf1 said: Are there any advantages for consumers if net neutrality goes away? I only see consumers getting screwed like we usually do with these types of decisions. No its more rich get richer bs the gop keeps pushing at |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| I hope this slows down Twitter to the point were trump can't post as many of his Tweets...serves him right. I hope that enough ISP's will buckle under public pressure and not try to slow down websites while favoring others, mainly those people PAY FOR!!!! |
AyameTomoko said: 'JustALEX said: We had a good run I guess... I'll be waiting patiently for Trump fans to explain to me how their lord and savior has allowed this to occur. At least this will guarrentee that hardly anyone will vote for him next election. Seriously, fuck Trump with a rusty lead pipe, and fuck the FCC with a searing hot poker. ya lets hope that's the case unless trump pulls a Dictator erdogan. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
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