What is your opinion on vegans/vegetarians ?

Revolt1021 said:
What is your opinion on vegans/vegetarians ? Have you ever thought of becoming a vegan or a vegetarian ?

Roam said:
If anyone here seriously want to challenge their view, go watch something like earthlings (Can probably see it on YT)... and if You start eating meat after that, It's probably cognitive dissonance at play...

Lord_Sithis said:
I'm vegetarian. Because I dislike meat and because I care for my health.

Lord_Sithis said:
I'm perfectly healthy. And I've been perfectly healthy for the 13 years I've been a vegetarian.

Clebardman said:

See, this is exactly what started pissing me off after dealing with all the vegans you can find in music schools. All this moral bullshit, especially when it comes from rick town kids who will never grow a vegetable themselves, can't go further than 100 meters without their cars or the subway, and gather in dedicated overpriced "organic" supermarket to buy rice that travelled 4 times around the world in containers... lol.

I'm not gonna give you the same speech about how eating local will save the world, because you know what? it's not true, and I don't REALLY don't feel superior to anyone because of what I chose to put in my plate.

(Gotta mention that my best friend in one of these music schools was a vegan, but I never heard him bully anyone with that shit)

codephat said:
I used to be a vegetarian and I'm an idiot so..

Clebardman said:
@Roam I pretty much agreed with all your post until you tried to guilt-trip me into veganism with that last sentence. It's a really common tactic amongst vegans and PETA nuts and I develloped a seriour allergy to that shit. Veganism as moral code or whatever isn't worth shit, at least until a vegan tells me that the disparition of domesticated species is better from a moral PoV than the organized murder of them. Or why exactly I should care less about vegetal life than animal one. no matter how hard they try to twist it into some kind of moral crusade, it just doesn't make any fucking sense.
Go vegan for practical reasons, or don't.

Ginpika said:
1000% support

vegan is the way to go but i dont think everyone should be vegan i just wish more people were mindful of meat consumption because of the methane gas that factory farms produce. i dont think its wrong for humans to eat animals if other animals can eat animals too. I, personally, cant, my mind revolts at the idea of eating something that was alive and thinking.

shotz said:
yo guys, you know who should go vegan? @Clebardman should!

Clebardman said:

@Roam I'm sorry mate, told you I agreed with most of your first post, but the last bit was 100% a guilt-tripping attempt. Maybe it wasn't intentional, but it was there.

Turnip said:
Vegan are idiots those think eating living things that cannot run away from you is better than eating things that can.

Even thought there's plenty of science-y stuff to back up plant communication and the fact that they do move on a very small level.

Vegans are just losers that cant handle that their food can talk.

They're just a bunch of hypocrites when you think of it in the end, animals and plants are both alive so I'm not going to rudely, ignorantly and pathetically label myself "nature's hero" selectively pick which organic foods I want to eat.

If you want to be "nature's hero" than don't eat anything organic at all, that's being "life friendly" and not being a hypocrite while you're at it.

zumac said:
They should eat meat and fish. These guys die, so that we can survive and live healthy. If we don't eat them, they die for nothing. That's wrong and those vegetarians should feel bad about it.

TheBrainintheJar said:


So your problems with the meat industry have more do with the environment?

Aurali said:

It is better for reducing suffering, environmental destruction, and health problems.

Aurali said:


Poor bacteria. No one ever cares about how they can communicate and move.
Farm animals are conscious beings capable of suffering. With regards to moral consideration, that’s what separates them from organisms that lack nervous systems.

Aurali said:


Yeah, paying others to kill helpless animals for you is commendable.

Aurali said:


Humans need to eat other organisms to survive. It’s more efficient to eat plant foods than to feed animals plants and then eat the animals. In other words, a vegan diet on average requires less plants + water + land than a diet that includes meat.

Aurali said:


True veganism is not about wanting to be "nature's hero” or some shit. It’s about minimizing suffering as far as practicable, which doesn’t require much effort at all. It's similar to how some meat-eaters refuse to contribute to the suffering of certain animals such as dogs, cats, gorillas, lions, dolphins, etc. The difference is, the former is morally consistent, while the latter is socially acceptable. For instance, if you defend dogs in the Yulin dog meat festival, people cheer you on. However, if you stand up for pigs in factory farms, you get tons of people calling you preachy, pushy, pompous, pussy, etc. It’s a stupid double standard. Cruelty is cruelty.

Effulgence said:
I'm vegan but i almost never say it because for some reason when you say that people become really defensive and offended for no reason.

I've become vegan because i saw many documentaries about how those animals are treated ect.
At first it was kinda hard because i was like " what am i suposed to eat?" but after a while you find out you can eat alot of things, and you can find al the nutritions you need in different fruits and vegetables.

I'm vegan for almost a year now and i'm supper happy to have made the decision.

Aurali said:

It is better for reducing suffering, environmental destruction, and health problems.


Poor bacteria. No one ever cares about how they can communicate and move.

Farm animals are conscious beings capable of suffering. With regards to moral consideration, that’s what separates them from organisms that lack nervous systems.


Yeah, paying others to kill helpless animals for you is commendable.


Humans need to eat other organisms to survive. It’s more efficient to eat plant foods than to feed animals plants and then eat the animals. In other words, a vegan diet on average requires less plants + water + land than a diet that includes meat.


True veganism is not about wanting to be "nature's hero” or some shit. It’s about minimizing suffering as far as practicable, which doesn’t require much effort at all. It's similar to how some meat-eaters refuse to contribute to the suffering of certain animals such as dogs, cats, gorillas, lions, dolphins, etc. The difference is, the former is morally consistent, while the latter is socially acceptable. For instance, if you defend dogs in the Yulin dog meat festival, people cheer you on. However, if you stand up for pigs in factory farms, you get tons of people calling you preachy, pushy, pompous, pussy, etc. It’s a stupid double standard. Cruelty is cruelty.



Supply and demand.

Turnip said:
Not really, you guys get a mad iron deficiency and we've been eating meat for all our lives and for so many generations we've lost count.

I'm an omnivore, I'm not an idiot or a vegetarian I'm smart enough to know what our species is suppose to eat.

I eat bacteria as well, yogurt is one of my favourite meals. Don't think I selectively skip out bacteria.

Also how do you know plants have no feelings but animals do? Did you ask them? nah, didn't think so. You just eat animals because you know they won't feel pain instead of plants which you hope doesn't feel pain. Pretty shotty morals in my books, why not stop eating animals and plants?

If you want to minimize suffering I'd recommend redeveloping the spanish flu and wiping out humans is a good start, or getting a truck and plowing it through every butchery and slaughterhouse you see...! Oh wait, you're just going to eat plants instead and complain about people eating their natural diet. Okay vegan, I can see you do a lot to minimize suffering lmao.

I don't pay others to helpless kill animals for me, lol that's just stupid I don't own any hunting coop or anything like that dude. I just go down to the shops and occassionally buy pre-killed animal meat which is like pre-killed plant. I don't pay anybody before hand to grab a helpless animal and slaughter it for me. That part is already done by someone else who's going to keep doing that because we're omnivores and not vegetarians which some people think they're born to eat.

And it's even more efficient when you use them to graze already havasted crops two birds with one stone. Or you just stick all the animals on a block of land with some grass for them to eat and let nature do it's work.

Aurali said:

Iron deficiency has never been an issue for me. Legumes, whole grains, dried fruits, tomato sauce, nuts, seeds, and dark leafy greens are good sources of iron.

Vegans have lower rates of heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes, and cancer. Consequently, they have higher life expectancies. Maybe looking to what you deem “natural” isn’t the answer, especially when it’s detrimental to the environment.

I was making fun of how people go “plants tho”, but never “bacteria tho”. Your response doesn’t make sense either way.

Wait, now that I think about it, I’m pretty sure there was this one guy who likened washing hands to slaughtering animals.

Veganism isn’t about trying to be a saint. If humans needed to eat meat to survive, I wouldn’t disagree with killing animals for food.

This shows the extent to which consumers are disconnected from their food. Every time you visit your local grocery store and purchase conveniently packaged meat, you’re increasing the demand for meat, which means more animals will be bred and killed for you.

No. If you consider global meat consumption, that method of meat production is unfortunately less sustainable than factory farming. Just look at what cattle ranching has done to the Amazon.

Turnip said:

My best source of iron is meat. I don't need to worry about drinking tomato sauce out the bottle, I just make sure I have some steak every week.

Our ancestors also would think storing meat in salt instead of a freezer was a good idea, so I can't imagine food back then was that "healthy".


Vegans diet which most of the world does not. So I don't think your comparison is very useful and is actually out of proportion. Dieting is generally healthy, do you think someone who diets is going to be more healthy than someone who doesn't care what he eats? Yes. I think so, so I think a vegan (who diets) would have a healthier diet than someone who doesn't diet, moot point in the long run. People who eat meat can diet, they normally eat leaner and cleaner meats n fish.
I was saying that I eat both, I'm not stupid enough to only resort to one.


How can you say you're doing it for the animals because they have feeling, you don't like cruelty and the environmental impact is bigger? And yet you say you're not trying to be natures saint. Your previous words make me think you care about the environment and the animals more than you let on. I'm still going to think you're trying to be natures hero, sorry you won't be able to change my mind.


If animals have feelings, I don't doubt plants have some sort of feeling as well. There's no evidence to deny plants have feelings, I've seen more evidence to support plants rather than to disagree. Vegans still eat organic life, they're still brutally eating plants but the worse thing is, the plants can even be alive when you fuckers eat them. I've seen you vegans rip an innocent fruit off a tree and devour it right in-front of the mother. But you guys perceive it as healthy so you don't care you're eating their friends and family in front of it. I don't believe in such low and unfair morals.


No it won't dude. If I don't eat meat for a year and I go to the store, I'll beat you all the money in my bank, there's still going to be a meat section. You don't get it. You guys are so insignificant you'll never stop the meat industry, no matter how many people you try to convince.

Vegan morals are pathetically one-sided to only animals. Most of you guys don't plant a tree or something after you eat one.


The amazon is a mutli-billion dollar industry I highly doubt they'd even be selling meat on the website matter of fact I don't think they have ever sold meat on that website. You might be able to get cow related things posted to you if you want, but truth be told, Amazon is a perfectly fine shop site and hasn't been affect by the meat industry in anyway, mainly because there's such high laws and standards against shipping meat overseas.

Aurali said:

Thanks for the laugh. Your last paragraph was especially hilarious.

Effulgence said:
I'm vegan but i almost never say it because for some reason when you say that people become really defensive and offended for no reason.

Effulgence said:

At first it was kinda hard because i was like " what am i suposed to eat?" but after a while you find out you can eat alot of things, and you can find al the nutritions you need in different fruits and vegetables.