| I hate those harem protagonists that don't choose lol. But the WORST for me in the protagonist of School Days, he just see girls as a toy I guess lol... it really makes me mad that he "date" every girl he find and all. Just keep one ;-; but yeah that tipe of protagonist |
| I hate the fucking pussies who hestitate to do everything that takes balls |
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AzurealX said: SuperRed said: Just a correction: Grisaia is originally a visual novel, not a light novel. As for the anime, yes it comes across as an edgy fan-fic because the adaptation removed most of the subtle details and interesting monologues of the characters that it made an engrossing experience and crammed over 70 hours of story into 13 episodes. There are LN protagonists that don't quite fit into the categories you mentioned: Lawrence from S&W, Main characters from Baccano and Durarara, Watashi from Humanity as Declined, Kyon from Haruhi Suzumiya series, etc. Visual Novel, LN, same thing. You just play the other on your PC and can actually fu*k the girls. lol I am obviously not talking about literally every protagonist, I know there are some that don't fit the categories, that was a hyperbole at the beginning. It's still a fact that the majority of the protagonists from LNs do fit the categories. It's rare for there to be innovation in LNs like Baccano and Durarara!! Most of them just have your plain old school setting, 1 or 2 male characters and the rest is girls. If you haven't a particularly large of amount light novels, you have no business claiming your generalizations are a "fact", it makes you no different from people who complain that anime is mostly childrens shows. Stop generalizing, analyze shows and characters individually. What's wrong with high school setting? It doesn't make anything better or worse and in some stories it's not even the focus of it. |
SuperRed said: AzurealX said: Visual Novel, LN, same thing. You just play the other on your PC and can actually fu*k the girls. lol I am obviously not talking about literally every protagonist, I know there are some that don't fit the categories, that was a hyperbole at the beginning. It's still a fact that the majority of the protagonists from LNs do fit the categories. It's rare for there to be innovation in LNs like Baccano and Durarara!! Most of them just have your plain old school setting, 1 or 2 male characters and the rest is girls. If you haven't a particularly large of amount light novels, you have no business claiming your generalizations are a "fact", it makes you no different from people who complain that anime is mostly childrens shows. Stop generalizing, analyze shows and characters individually. What's wrong with high school setting? It doesn't make anything better or worse and in some stories it's not even the focus of it. But I have read Light Novels. These tropes are a FACT! <---- Most LNs do have those tropes hence why almost all anime based on LNs have them as well. Inb4 you hit me with ''buh-LNs are really deep and you think of the basic harem in disguise Monogatari or Re:Zero''. |
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AzurealX said: SuperRed said: If you haven't a particularly large of amount light novels, you have no business claiming your generalizations are a "fact", it makes you no different from people who complain that anime is mostly childrens shows. Stop generalizing, analyze shows and characters individually. What's wrong with high school setting? It doesn't make anything better or worse and in some stories it's not even the focus of it. But I have read Light Novels. These tropes are a FACT! <---- Most LNs do have those tropes hence why almost all anime based on LNs have them as well. Inb4 you hit me with ''buh-LNs are really deep and you think of the basic harem in disguise Monogatari or Re:Zero''. Apparently, there is an adaptation bias for light novels. The ones that get adapted to anime are the most anime-like ones. And there is a lot of LNs which aren't much like anime or the LN stereotype among western anime fans, but they do not get adapted to anime. Because they will not make good anime. And of course, the LNs translated to English are usually the ones that are adapted to anime. (Or, sometimes, really weird porn) Ask @Zefyris for details, he seems to know a lot about LNs. |
AzurealX said: SuperRed said: If you haven't a particularly large of amount light novels, you have no business claiming your generalizations are a "fact", it makes you no different from people who complain that anime is mostly childrens shows. Stop generalizing, analyze shows and characters individually. What's wrong with high school setting? It doesn't make anything better or worse and in some stories it's not even the focus of it. But I have read Light Novels. These tropes are a FACT! <---- Most LNs do have those tropes hence why almost all anime based on LNs have them as well. Inb4 you hit me with ''buh-LNs are really deep and you think of the basic harem in disguise Monogatari or Re:Zero''. Most LN haves certain tropes, just like most superhero movies have certain tropes, most action shonen anime have tropes, most shoujo rom-com have certain tropes, etc. it's the details that decide whether something is good or bad. Were talking about protagonist anyway, the types you mentioned aren't exclusive to LN and can be found in many stories even those not from Japan. The most blatant example of a self-insert is the protagonist of Persona 4 in my experience. I don't read many LN so I try asking an experienced reader like @Zefyris to see what he thinks. In my view, I think people like to blow up certain characters as being worse than they really are because they don't fit certain criteria of what a "good" protagonist should be, though I agree that a lot leave much to be desired. Edit: summoning jutsu ninja'd by @flannan. |
| I can't stand weak MCs. Like the familiar of zero(or something like that) or the MC from Monster Musume. The ones that just go "Oh, I guess this is my life now, oh well..." Or the MC in Boku no Hero Academia who I think that's why I like Youjo Senki because he(former) literally defies god/beingX. Also One Punch Man because he's literally op. |
| Man, I have to stop falling in love with fictitious high school girls'...moms! |
| the love snafu tard emiya shiro meilodus world god only know handa kun pretty much any char from abattle harem mc, the guy with a baka strand of hair. or glasses. tired eyes smug assholes hyouka did I say shiro emiya yet? |
SuperRed said: AzurealX said: But I have read Light Novels. These tropes are a FACT! <---- Most LNs do have those tropes hence why almost all anime based on LNs have them as well. Inb4 you hit me with ''buh-LNs are really deep and you think of the basic harem in disguise Monogatari or Re:Zero''. Most LN haves certain tropes, just like most superhero movies have certain tropes, most action shonen anime have tropes, most shoujo rom-com have certain tropes, etc. it's the details that decide whether something is good or bad. Were talking about protagonist anyway, the types you mentioned aren't exclusive to LN and can be found in many stories even those not from Japan. The most blatant example of a self-insert is the protagonist of Persona 4 in my experience. I don't read many LN so I try asking an experienced reader like @Zefyris to see what he thinks. In my view, I think people like to blow up certain characters as being worse than they really are because they don't fit certain criteria of what a "good" protagonist should be, though I agree that a lot leave much to be desired. Edit: summoning jutsu ninja'd by @flannan. Persona protagonists are self-inserts done right. There is kinda a reason why every single action of theirs is left up to you. You shape up the character's personality. Anyways, of course these tropes exist outside of the japanese medium. But this is an anime site so I am talking purely from an anime/manga/LN perspective. I do recognize that LNs can have some really good characters but it is a fact that the LN market is over-saturated with harem cash grabs that have a worthless protagonist because publishing a Light Novel is a lot easier than drawing a manga. If you're not a good writer and can't think of good story then all you have to do is write what every otaku would want. Something pandering to them. Like an average guy who's not successful in life so they can project themselves onto him and after that comes the girl characters to show that an average otaku is building up a harem of good looking women. |
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Noobc0re said: I can't stand weak MCs. Like the familiar of zero(or something like that) or the MC from Monster Musume. The ones that just go "Oh, I guess this is my life now, oh well..." Or the MC in Boku no Hero Academia who I think that's why I like Youjo Senki because he(former) literally defies god/beingX. Also One Punch Man because he's literally op. You're kinda forgetting one important thing. Deku was born without a quirk. How would he train? He's bound by reality so all his training wouldn't mean anything if he didn't have a quirk. Him receiving his quirk because All-Might was moved by his conviction is different than him receiving it just cause. Not to mention he does have to train his body so it can sustain the power from his punches (Cause we saw that his arm broke with just one punch) and must also learn how to control it. |
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AzurealX said: Noobc0re said: I can't stand weak MCs. Like the familiar of zero(or something like that) or the MC from Monster Musume. The ones that just go "Oh, I guess this is my life now, oh well..." Or the MC in Boku no Hero Academia who I think that's why I like Youjo Senki because he(former) literally defies god/beingX. Also One Punch Man because he's literally op. You're kinda forgetting one important thing. Deku was born without a quirk. How would he train? He's bound by reality so all his training wouldn't mean anything if he didn't have a quirk. Him receiving his quirk because All-Might was moved by his conviction is different than him receiving it just cause. Not to mention he does have to train his body so it can sustain the power from his punches (Cause we saw that his arm broke with just one punch) and must also learn how to control it. Yeah, but I was hoping he would pull a One Punch Man and train himself to be on par with the others. Because it was looking like it at the start, but then All-Might was just like "lol have mine, it's op." |
| Man, I have to stop falling in love with fictitious high school girls'...moms! |
Melioban said: the father? who died in afire? he didnt have any screen time to hate him.....KuroudoAkabane said: thought you said kiritsugu emiya. We would have had a problemthe love snafu tard emiya shiro meilodus world god only know handa kun pretty much any char from abattle harem mc, the guy with a baka strand of hair. or glasses. tired eyes smug assholes hyouka did I say shiro emiya yet? i ve only watched fsn tho but still oh and the guys from bleach and naruto too. or the money. his name is monkey cant even use that as an insult i guess. |
| MCs like Rito from To Love-Ru. Just choose a damn girl! |
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Noobc0re said: AzurealX said: You're kinda forgetting one important thing. Deku was born without a quirk. How would he train? He's bound by reality so all his training wouldn't mean anything if he didn't have a quirk. Him receiving his quirk because All-Might was moved by his conviction is different than him receiving it just cause. Not to mention he does have to train his body so it can sustain the power from his punches (Cause we saw that his arm broke with just one punch) and must also learn how to control it. Yeah, but I was hoping he would pull a One Punch Man and train himself to be on par with the others. Because it was looking like it at the start, but then All-Might was just like "lol have mine, it's op." He's putting in a lot more training than Saitama is though, he's thinkng on how to use his powers to do less harm on his body meanwhile building up his body to withstand the impact of his stronger hits. Saitama is a caricature of OP characters, OPM is a comedy. He had a regular training regime that a sporty guy in real life would have, not like he trained really hard to catch up to the other heroes. Despite all the quirks and stuff, there is a boundary of how much they can do with their bodies, it's more grounded than other shonens with the exceptions of Quirks. |
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| Personally I am disgusted by those characters who are not only homicidal maniacs but doing it with some kind of sexual satisfaction, I mean perverts who kills/dismember ones body in grotesque way just to feel sexual pleasure, this is just too disgusting for me and its hard to watch their madness |
AzurealX said: Noobc0re said: Yeah, but I was hoping he would pull a One Punch Man and train himself to be on par with the others. Because it was looking like it at the start, but then All-Might was just like "lol have mine, it's op." He's putting in a lot more training than Saitama is though, he's thinkng on how to use his powers to do less harm on his body meanwhile building up his body to withstand the impact of his stronger hits. Saitama is a caricature of OP characters, OPM is a comedy. He had a regular training regime that a sporty guy in real life would have, not like he trained really hard to catch up to the other heroes. Despite all the quirks and stuff, there is a boundary of how much they can do with their bodies, it's more grounded than other shonens with the exceptions of Quirks. He was still just given a super quirk. The majority of his power isn't from his own effort. |
| Man, I have to stop falling in love with fictitious high school girls'...moms! |
Noobc0re said: AzurealX said: He's putting in a lot more training than Saitama is though, he's thinkng on how to use his powers to do less harm on his body meanwhile building up his body to withstand the impact of his stronger hits. Saitama is a caricature of OP characters, OPM is a comedy. He had a regular training regime that a sporty guy in real life would have, not like he trained really hard to catch up to the other heroes. Despite all the quirks and stuff, there is a boundary of how much they can do with their bodies, it's more grounded than other shonens with the exceptions of Quirks. He was still just given a super quirk. The majority of his power isn't from his own effort. But it is, I can tell you as a manga reader. The majority of his power is his own. All Might was also given this quirk, he didn't have it at birth. It's a quirk passed down generations. Deku has to train his body in order to strengthen the quirk as well. We already saw the nurse telling him if he continues using it like that his arms would be disabled and he will have to live without being able to use his arms. He's thinking of smart ways to use the quirk without damaging his body meanwhile building his body up so he can get reckless in the future. It would've been super dumb and cliché if he were to train himself. As if that would help against other quirks. |
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AzurealX said: Noobc0re said: He was still just given a super quirk. The majority of his power isn't from his own effort. But it is, I can tell you as a manga reader. The majority of his power is his own. All Might was also given this quirk, he didn't have it at birth. It's a quirk passed down generations. Deku has to train his body in order to strengthen the quirk as well. We already saw the nurse telling him if he continues using it like that his arms would be disabled and he will have to live without being able to use his arms. He's thinking of smart ways to use the quirk without damaging his body meanwhile building his body up so he can get reckless in the future. It would've been super dumb and cliché if he were to train himself. As if that would help against other quirks. At least them it would've been his power, his strength. |
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Noobc0re said: AzurealX said: But it is, I can tell you as a manga reader. The majority of his power is his own. All Might was also given this quirk, he didn't have it at birth. It's a quirk passed down generations. Deku has to train his body in order to strengthen the quirk as well. We already saw the nurse telling him if he continues using it like that his arms would be disabled and he will have to live without being able to use his arms. He's thinking of smart ways to use the quirk without damaging his body meanwhile building his body up so he can get reckless in the future. It would've been super dumb and cliché if he were to train himself. As if that would help against other quirks. At least them it would've been his power, his strength. But it would've been impossible. Also, he's working on making his power truly his own right now. He can't fully control it. Also, it is his strength. I mean the anime barely adapted anything so most viewers are lost but just you wait. |
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| Eunuch protagonist who acts like the biggest pervert but doesn't do anything When female characters are throwing themselves at him |
AzurealX said: SuperRed said: Most LN haves certain tropes, just like most superhero movies have certain tropes, most action shonen anime have tropes, most shoujo rom-com have certain tropes, etc. it's the details that decide whether something is good or bad. Were talking about protagonist anyway, the types you mentioned aren't exclusive to LN and can be found in many stories even those not from Japan. The most blatant example of a self-insert is the protagonist of Persona 4 in my experience. I don't read many LN so I try asking an experienced reader like @Zefyris to see what he thinks. In my view, I think people like to blow up certain characters as being worse than they really are because they don't fit certain criteria of what a "good" protagonist should be, though I agree that a lot leave much to be desired. Edit: summoning jutsu ninja'd by @flannan. Persona protagonists are self-inserts done right. There is kinda a reason why every single action of theirs is left up to you. You shape up the character's personality. Anyways, of course these tropes exist outside of the japanese medium. But this is an anime site so I am talking purely from an anime/manga/LN perspective. I do recognize that LNs can have some really good characters but it is a fact that the LN market is over-saturated with harem cash grabs that have a worthless protagonist because publishing a Light Novel is a lot easier than drawing a manga. If you're not a good writer and can't think of good story then all you have to do is write what every otaku would want. Something pandering to them. Like an average guy who's not successful in life so they can project themselves onto him and after that comes the girl characters to show that an average otaku is building up a harem of good looking women. Like you have said, LN market has plenty of wish fulfillment stories. This creates competition, and those who have come on top are pretty good. One can't survive in this environment without being a good writer. Mediocre writers write this stuff for free as web novels. It's people who find an underexplored niche who can be not very good, because the demand it all theirs. |
flannan said: AzurealX said: Persona protagonists are self-inserts done right. There is kinda a reason why every single action of theirs is left up to you. You shape up the character's personality. Anyways, of course these tropes exist outside of the japanese medium. But this is an anime site so I am talking purely from an anime/manga/LN perspective. I do recognize that LNs can have some really good characters but it is a fact that the LN market is over-saturated with harem cash grabs that have a worthless protagonist because publishing a Light Novel is a lot easier than drawing a manga. If you're not a good writer and can't think of good story then all you have to do is write what every otaku would want. Something pandering to them. Like an average guy who's not successful in life so they can project themselves onto him and after that comes the girl characters to show that an average otaku is building up a harem of good looking women. Like you have said, LN market has plenty of wish fulfillment stories. This creates competition, and those who have come on top are pretty good. One can't survive in this environment without being a good writer. Mediocre writers write this stuff for free as web novels. It's people who find an underexplored niche who can be not very good, because the demand it all theirs. Pretty good? Not really, lots of wish fulfillment are bad but contain what someone wants to read, doesn't matter if it's good or bad. I am not putting down all LNs. Just the majority of them. I do know for a fact that there are many good ones as well. They may be masterfully written with a well developed world, fleshed out characters and overall enjoyable but there is always that one mediocricity standing above them simply because it chose to have typical waifus and a self-insert protagonist so the nerds can relate. But a lot of mediocre LNs do get published, not as free web novels. A lot of mediocre LNs get an anime adaptation as well. Wouldn't want to name an anime cause I know the ones I will name have very rabid fanbases. lol |
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| i dislike MC that doesn't know what to do about his life.. panicky, scare ( if girl i don't dislike )... |
AzurealX said: flannan said: Like you have said, LN market has plenty of wish fulfillment stories. This creates competition, and those who have come on top are pretty good. One can't survive in this environment without being a good writer. Mediocre writers write this stuff for free as web novels. It's people who find an underexplored niche who can be not very good, because the demand it all theirs. Pretty good? Not really, lots of wish fulfillment are bad but contain what someone wants to read, doesn't matter if it's good or bad. I am not putting down all LNs. Just the majority of them. I do know for a fact that there are many good ones as well. They may be masterfully written with a well developed world, fleshed out characters and overall enjoyable but there is always that one mediocricity standing above them simply because it chose to have typical waifus and a self-insert protagonist so the nerds can relate. But a lot of mediocre LNs do get published, not as free web novels. A lot of mediocre LNs get an anime adaptation as well. Wouldn't want to name an anime cause I know the ones I will name have very rabid fanbases. lol Well, let's see: https://myanimelist.net/topmanga.php?type=novels Not sure what Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria is, but it seems to be all kinds of awesome. Oregairu, Monogatari, Wolf and Spice, Toaru Majutsu no Index, Fate/Zero, Baccano!, Kino no Tabi, SHnY, Juuni Kokuki... I'm sure you know why they are liked. No idea what's No.6, but Zaregoto is likely somethign philosophical. Now we're looking at real top wish fulfillment stuff: 1) Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu 2) Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 3) No Game No Life 4) Overlord 5) Akatsuki no Yona Now, I have personally tasted only Overlord as a book, and No Game No Life and Akatsuki no Yona as novels. Overlord surely isn't liked because of waifus (even though they're not bad), but because it's the ultimate power fantasy. Kirito - what can one man accomplish? Tatsuya - just a dog of the government and everybody who wants? Alucard - they even call him "dog"! Momonga stands on top of an evil organization, with a dozen loyal subordinates each as powerful as Alucard or Tatsuya. And he's the strongest of them all. His greatest enemy is himself, and the seeds of tragedy are sown from the beginning. I'll let somebody else tell you about Re:Zero, but I've heard it's quite complicated. No Game No Life seems to include both the lure of fantasy and the awesomeness of game anime like Akagi and Kaiji. Akatsuki no Yona seems to be about really fulfilling women's wishes, giving the heroine real power and personal strength, not just a harem of pretty boys. |
| Emo protagonist The holy ones, that no matter what bad things a person did or even if that person killed almost everyone he love..he''ll still smile kindly to that enemy and believe in the goodness in his heart. Super Dense protagonist Most protagonists in harem anime. |
| *Yawn* Not gonna argue again with a stupid troll. |
| Indecisive, dense, insensitive/douche, wuss, or too perfect protagonists. Oh and of course Jesus-kuns. |
 Even if the future awaiting me is so bright that it's blinding, If I'm to face it alone, there's no real meaning in it.. ♫♫ |
| Static characters. I don't care if your main characters starts as a saint or as a wimp, a good person or a bad person. But if in the course of the story that character doesn't change at all (with a reason of course) it isn't a good character. Bonus points if other characters write essays how the protagonist got so better or changed so much. Example: Orihime from Bleach. |
| Without hesitation the male in most of ecchi, they all are the same, more or less. |
| Definitely characters that lack the ability to think logically and always put them in dangerous situations because for some reason they think that all problems will be solved if they sacrificed themselves but instead they bring more trouble for others. |
| I dislike characters like Eren from AOT or Alibaba from Magi(Sane voice actors lol), characters who are loud and act stupid and super stubborn. And also dont like super dense characters. |
flannan said: AzurealX said: Pretty good? Not really, lots of wish fulfillment are bad but contain what someone wants to read, doesn't matter if it's good or bad. I am not putting down all LNs. Just the majority of them. I do know for a fact that there are many good ones as well. They may be masterfully written with a well developed world, fleshed out characters and overall enjoyable but there is always that one mediocricity standing above them simply because it chose to have typical waifus and a self-insert protagonist so the nerds can relate. But a lot of mediocre LNs do get published, not as free web novels. A lot of mediocre LNs get an anime adaptation as well. Wouldn't want to name an anime cause I know the ones I will name have very rabid fanbases. lol Well, let's see: https://myanimelist.net/topmanga.php?type=novels Not sure what Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria is, but it seems to be all kinds of awesome. Oregairu, Monogatari, Wolf and Spice, Toaru Majutsu no Index, Fate/Zero, Baccano!, Kino no Tabi, SHnY, Juuni Kokuki... I'm sure you know why they are liked. No idea what's No.6, but Zaregoto is likely somethign philosophical. Now we're looking at real top wish fulfillment stuff: 1) Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu 2) Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 3) No Game No Life 4) Overlord 5) Akatsuki no Yona Now, I have personally tasted only Overlord as a book, and No Game No Life and Akatsuki no Yona as novels. Overlord surely isn't liked because of waifus (even though they're not bad), but because it's the ultimate power fantasy. Kirito - what can one man accomplish? Tatsuya - just a dog of the government and everybody who wants? Alucard - they even call him "dog"! Momonga stands on top of an evil organization, with a dozen loyal subordinates each as powerful as Alucard or Tatsuya. And he's the strongest of them all. His greatest enemy is himself, and the seeds of tragedy are sown from the beginning. I'll let somebody else tell you about Re:Zero, but I've heard it's quite complicated. No Game No Life seems to include both the lure of fantasy and the awesomeness of game anime like Akagi and Kaiji. Akatsuki no Yona seems to be about really fulfilling women's wishes, giving the heroine real power and personal strength, not just a harem of pretty boys. Yes, I know why the ones you listed are liked. I liked them as well. (Tho Index does have it's flavor of genericness at times I still really enjoy it.) The ones you listed as wish fulfillment are pretty bad imo. I've read them. Re:Zero is not that complicated, some people just like to over-think it. I dropped Overlord pretty quickly, before I even had a chance to see if it's good or bad. It's just something not made for me at all. Tatsuya is too perfect of a character, he has no flaws imo. Every character sucksHISdi*k like there's no tommorrow. They're just throwing the word ''Dog'' around to try to get some sympathy for him from the readers. I haven't read Mushoku Tensei so I can't say about that. |
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| The ones who won't touch the girl that obviously wants to fuck them, unless for some legitimate realistic reason |
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| I don't protagonists who are too whiny, protagonists that don't appreciate their yandere girls, and protagonists who are dumb and unfunny. Dumb is fine, but not when they are painfully unfunny. |
AzurealX said: I dropped Overlord pretty quickly, before I even had a chance to see if it's good or bad. It's just something not made for me at all. Well, Overlord has its flaws (like the fact that the protagonist makes Alucard and Tatsuya look like wimps with his overpoweredness), and its strong points (like the comedy parts where MC tries to run his evil organization as a modern corporation he is used to, and it fails in a funny way all the time). AzurealX said: Tatsuya is too perfect of a character, he has no flaws imo. Every character sucksHISdi*k like there's no tommorrow. They're just throwing the word ''Dog'' around to try to get some sympathy for him from the readers. Well, I guess it depends on the viewer's outlook on life. In general, the problem is, Tatsuya is too robotic: Tatsuya is too law-abiding, is bound by a lot of different duties (to military, to family, to school, and so on), and tries to uphold them all the time. It's rare for us to see him act of his own volition. (he does seem like a good person even when he does) It will surely get in his way of getting to his rightful place as the god-emperor of mankind. Tatsuya doesn't have much emotions. I remember him ever having only three ones: 1) desire to protect his little sister. 2) paranoia about student council president manipulating him. (that one is only in the novel) 3) desire to shoot the annihilation gun. And only the first one is strong. In the world of anime, where power comes from intense emotions, this is a major handicap. Tatsuya isn't good at getting people to love him and do things for him. Well, even many non-robotic protagonists have this flaw, but there is strength in numbers, as many other anime have shown us. |
flannan said: AzurealX said: I dropped Overlord pretty quickly, before I even had a chance to see if it's good or bad. It's just something not made for me at all. Well, Overlord has its flaws (like the fact that the protagonist makes Alucard and Tatsuya look like wimps with his overpoweredness), and its strong points (like the comedy parts where MC tries to run his evil organization as a modern corporation he is used to, and it fails in a funny way all the time). AzurealX said: Tatsuya is too perfect of a character, he has no flaws imo. Every character sucksHISdi*k like there's no tommorrow. They're just throwing the word ''Dog'' around to try to get some sympathy for him from the readers. Well, I guess it depends on the viewer's outlook on life. In general, the problem is, Tatsuya is too robotic: Tatsuya is too law-abiding, is bound by a lot of different duties (to military, to family, to school, and so on), and tries to uphold them all the time. It's rare for us to see him act of his own volition. (he does seem like a good person even when he does) It will surely get in his way of getting to his rightful place as the god-emperor of mankind. Tatsuya doesn't have much emotions. I remember him ever having only three ones: 1) desire to protect his little sister. 2) paranoia about student council president manipulating him. (that one is only in the novel) 3) desire to shoot the annihilation gun. And only the first one is strong. In the world of anime, where power comes from intense emotions, this is a major handicap. Tatsuya isn't good at getting people to love him and do things for him. Well, even many non-robotic protagonists have this flaw, but there is strength in numbers, as many other anime have shown us. Yeah, he's way too robotic. The author didn't even realize that this type of character doesn't work as a protagonist. He's extremely boring. His personality is suited for a side character. One of those OP one who appear rarely but when they do they defeat a really major villain and after that they tell something important to the MC and don't show for at least 90% of the anime, lol. |
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AzurealX said: flannan said: Well, Overlord has its flaws (like the fact that the protagonist makes Alucard and Tatsuya look like wimps with his overpoweredness), and its strong points (like the comedy parts where MC tries to run his evil organization as a modern corporation he is used to, and it fails in a funny way all the time). Well, I guess it depends on the viewer's outlook on life. In general, the problem is, Tatsuya is too robotic: Tatsuya is too law-abiding, is bound by a lot of different duties (to military, to family, to school, and so on), and tries to uphold them all the time. It's rare for us to see him act of his own volition. (he does seem like a good person even when he does) It will surely get in his way of getting to his rightful place as the god-emperor of mankind. Tatsuya doesn't have much emotions. I remember him ever having only three ones: 1) desire to protect his little sister. 2) paranoia about student council president manipulating him. (that one is only in the novel) 3) desire to shoot the annihilation gun. And only the first one is strong. In the world of anime, where power comes from intense emotions, this is a major handicap. Tatsuya isn't good at getting people to love him and do things for him. Well, even many non-robotic protagonists have this flaw, but there is strength in numbers, as many other anime have shown us. Yeah, he's way too robotic. The author didn't even realize that this type of character doesn't work as a protagonist. He's extremely boring. His personality is suited for a side character. One of those OP one who appear rarely but when they do they defeat a really major villain and after that they tell something important to the MC and don't show for at least 90% of the anime, lol. In practice, Rei clones often have a bigger role than that in anime they are in. |
flannan said: He only appears "robotic", because he's a introspective character and keeps a lot of his thoughts and feelings to himself. Now the novels sharred his thought of feelings through monologues and narration, which is where the anime really dropped the ball as they left them out, so the anime basically took away around 80% of his character.AzurealX said: I dropped Overlord pretty quickly, before I even had a chance to see if it's good or bad. It's just something not made for me at all. Well, Overlord has its flaws (like the fact that the protagonist makes Alucard and Tatsuya look like wimps with his overpoweredness), and its strong points (like the comedy parts where MC tries to run his evil organization as a modern corporation he is used to, and it fails in a funny way all the time). AzurealX said: Tatsuya is too perfect of a character, he has no flaws imo. Every character sucksHISdi*k like there's no tommorrow. They're just throwing the word ''Dog'' around to try to get some sympathy for him from the readers. Well, I guess it depends on the viewer's outlook on life. In general, the problem is, Tatsuya is too robotic: Tatsuya is too law-abiding, is bound by a lot of different duties (to military, to family, to school, and so on), and tries to uphold them all the time. It's rare for us to see him act of his own volition. (he does seem like a good person even when he does) It will surely get in his way of getting to his rightful place as the god-emperor of mankind. Tatsuya doesn't have much emotions. I remember him ever having only three ones: 1) desire to protect his little sister. 2) paranoia about student council president manipulating him. (that one is only in the novel) 3) desire to shoot the annihilation gun. And only the first one is strong. In the world of anime, where power comes from intense emotions, this is a major handicap. Tatsuya isn't good at getting people to love him and do things for him. Well, even many non-robotic protagonists have this flaw, but there is strength in numbers, as many other anime have shown us. I wouldn't call Tatsuya law abiding, he only does what he thinks is best for him, his sister, and his friends. Hell early on in the series its stated that he wouldn't of cared less if the generator massacred the audience during the nine schools competition, though he changes as the story progresses. Tatsuya is really only bounded by a few duties and thats safe guarding his sister and the military for shear fact that he's to powerful to have complete freedom and he's basically Japan's trump card. He has emotions, they're just not as strong as the average human(due to a certain incident in the past). Like for example, when Morisaka was giving him a lot of shit early on in the series, most people in his shoes would be angry, but Tatsuya on the other hand can only feel slight annoyance in that situation. Of course the only exception is his feelings towards Miyuki, where he can feel strong emotions when she's involved. Though gradually in the series, he starts developing more heartfelt emotions towards others, which makes him feel more human. Well generally Tatsuya is a hard guy to like if you don't get to know him personally as he comes off as a cold and uncaring individual. Then there's others who hate him out of jealousy or are just straight up afraid of him. His sister points out in the novels that he has a tough time making friends, but an easy time making enemies. Edit: Also he never held any paranoia towards Mayumi, he just had trouble reading her early on in the series, until he determind she was a playful individual who just liked to tease others. He actually has a good relationship with her and they're pretty close friends. |
-MahesvaraFeb 11, 2017 2:54 PM
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-Mahesvara said: flannan said: He only appears "robotic", because he's a introspective character and keeps a lot of his thoughts and feelings to himself. Now the novels sharred his thought of feelings through monologues and narration, which is where the anime really dropped the ball as they left them out, so the anime basically took away around 80% of his character.Well, Overlord has its flaws (like the fact that the protagonist makes Alucard and Tatsuya look like wimps with his overpoweredness), and its strong points (like the comedy parts where MC tries to run his evil organization as a modern corporation he is used to, and it fails in a funny way all the time). Well, I guess it depends on the viewer's outlook on life. In general, the problem is, Tatsuya is too robotic: Tatsuya is too law-abiding, is bound by a lot of different duties (to military, to family, to school, and so on), and tries to uphold them all the time. It's rare for us to see him act of his own volition. (he does seem like a good person even when he does) It will surely get in his way of getting to his rightful place as the god-emperor of mankind. Tatsuya doesn't have much emotions. I remember him ever having only three ones: 1) desire to protect his little sister. 2) paranoia about student council president manipulating him. (that one is only in the novel) 3) desire to shoot the annihilation gun. And only the first one is strong. In the world of anime, where power comes from intense emotions, this is a major handicap. Tatsuya isn't good at getting people to love him and do things for him. Well, even many non-robotic protagonists have this flaw, but there is strength in numbers, as many other anime have shown us. Indeed, his train of thought in the novels can be a lot of fun. I like protagonists who don't say much, but their thoughts are revealed to the viewer/reader/player. Like Sora from Sketchbook or Morita from Morita-san wa Mukuchi. -Mahesvara said: I wouldn't call Tatsuya law abiding, he only does what he thinks is best for him, his sister, and his friends. Hell early on in the series its stated that he wouldn't of cared less if the generator massacred the audience during the nine schools competition, though he changes as the story progresses. That's exactly what I mean by saying "law-abiding". It's not his job to provide security for the competition, so he does not do it. Many anime characters are like that, and in my eyes, this means they are devoid of internal virtue. Most likely, it's because I operate on a different system of morality. |
| Typical overpowered MC who never loses fights, or almost loses but wins at the last second. Typical dumb harem MC who acts embarrassed when falling on boobs instead of playing it cool;; Arata from Trinity Seven is what every harem MC should aspire to be like. |
Robiiii said: 99% of the dense stupid fucking useless & boneless twats from almost all harems who never make a move on anything. So annoying <.< ^this and the superweak MC who always hides behind the dominant tsundere chick. |
Cirno9 said: Robiiii said: 99% of the dense stupid fucking useless & boneless twats from almost all harems who never make a move on anything. So annoying <.< ^this and the superweak MC who always hides behind the dominant tsundere chick. Wow, u dug out an old one, nice As long as ur not dense as a brick ur already a level higher in my book. |
Robiiii said: Wow, u dug out an old one, nice As long as ur not dense as a brick ur already a level higher in my book. My favorite MC is Subaru from Re: Zero. Gotta change the topic fast, didn't see that I nercr'd dis, mb. |
| I hate typical overpowered heroes. Those who in EVERY SINGLE anime are beaten by all cockroaches that might be found in their kitchen but when they are complitely destroied they get holly power and kill the biggest creatures of mythology. Honestly I like One Punch Man just because it makes fun of this kind of protagonists. |
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