Danganronpa 3: The End of Kibougamine Gakuen - Mirai-hen Episode 9 Discussion

Phendrus said:
If it weren't for the fact that they'd already faked Hina's death, I'd be absolutely convinced that Kyoko had survived somehow (although, admittedly, denial probably has a lot to do with this.) As it is, I'm still holding out hope.

First of all, we JUST had her cheat death in the last episode. I get that despair is a major theme of this series, but it feels completely pointless and cheap to trick the audience into thinking she was going to die in one episode, then have her actually die at the end of the very next one. She wasn't even given a chance to do anything with the time she has been bought. If you're going to pull that sort of trick, it has more impact to do it in a single episode. Such plot twists thrive on the sudden transition from the "Oh, thank God! She didn't die!" feeling to the "But... But everything was okay! ...Noooooo!!! WHY?!?!" feeling. Drawing that transition out over the course of two episodes really weakens it.

Second, Kyoko's death has been teased multiple times over the course of the series, and she always turned up alive. People thought she might have been the one who died when Mukuro's body was discovered, we had the bad ending where she gets executed, and we had Makoto's nightmare. Kodaka has been faking Kyoko's death for ages. It doesn't seem likely that "outwitted by evil jewelry" is going to be the untimely fate that finally sticks.

Third, the "A body has been discovered!" sound effect didn't play for Kyoko. Granted, it didn't play for Seiko, either, but she had mournful music instead. Kyoko had nothing. No dramatic imagery or gut-wrenching audio. It feels odd not to have that for such a major character. Hardly conclusive, but something to note.

And fourth, we have that random cure bottle. It has to be relevant somehow. Think about it. Despite how it seemed that Nagito's murder had been solved in DR2, it was obvious that there was something more at play: the poison in his fridge hadn't been explained yet. Similarly, I don't think we can say Kyoko's case is closed until the cure bottle is explained.

My Rambling Hypothesis:
Kyoko WAS poisoned, and she is dying. However, she's not dead yet. The cure was used, possibly by Kyoko, to slow down the effects of the poison, but it couldn't ward it off entirely (hence why her skin has turned purple.) Some time has been bought, but she's still on a time limit. Makoto, Hina, and Ryota have to solve the mystery and escape before Kyoko expires.

Phendrus said:

Addendum to the above:

If Kyoko is dead, the symbolism in the opening makes absolutely no sense. Makoto is shown reaching out to rescue her during the "falling" segment, yet nearly all he's been doing since episode 2 is trying not to get killed by Kyousuke and Juzo. He hasn't been anywhere near Kyoko since episode 2. Why depict such a moment between them in the opening if they were only going to have a few minutes of interaction? That scene would make more sense if he were actually trying to save her from something.

It would also be rather poetic. In DR1, Makoto bites the bullet for Kyoko and she comes to bail him out. In DR3, the roles are reversed.

...Hey, it's not denial until we see the death certificate.

AzureAceYT said:


You do know there's such a thing as moving around in your sleep, right?

EarlCiel said:


It's literally mainly just a change in perspective or camera angle lol

Dreams_of_Neko said:


Mitarai is resting his head on his arms, however he doesn´t have them around it when Naegi woke up.

As for moving around your sleep....might have to dissagree. Mitarai´s sleeping positions have been somewhat strange a few times, it is a hint, but not really sure about what exactly.

WillKamio said:
Mitarai is the traitor

SpAyKeR said:
after this episode there are 4 people remaining, am I right or something is with me? Do we have someone who hasn't been shown yet? How many people do we still get in the game?

SpAyKeR said:
and why did Munakata kill his own "pawn" Juuzo?? LOL I do not quite get it at all

SpAyKeR said:
How come we didn't see Izayo's wound before this episode? He only had his own eye with a little amount of blood... wtf?

SpAyKeR said:
Gekkougahara was defeated and shouldn't count as person, right?

SpAyKeR said:
I do not quite get, but what was Chisa's NG?

SpAyKeR said:
WTF happened to Ruruka? (I know she is a bitch cuz she killed 2 people) but she was murdered as hell lol

SpAyKeR said:
Why do we only see small amount of blood on the eye of Kirigiri? When before they had almost half of their bodies covered with rot... I do not quite get it.

SpAyKeR said:
after this episode there are 4 people remaining, am I right or something is with me? Do we have someone who hasn't been shown yet? How many people do we still get in the game?
and why did Munakata kill his own "pawn" Juuzo?? LOL I do not quite get it at all
How come we didn't see Izayo's wound before this episode? He only had his own eye with a little amount of blood... wtf?
Gekkougahara was defeated and shouldn't count as person, right?
After seeing the expression of Mitarai's face, seems like he is the attacker to me.
I do not quite get, but what was Chisa's NG?
WTF happened to Ruruka? (I know she is a bitch cuz she killed 2 people) but she was murdered as hell lol
Why do we only see small amount of blood on the eye of Kirigiri? When before they had almost half of their bodies covered with rot... I do not quite get it. Her NG is also a bullshit.
BTW. can someone answer me all of my questions?

Maxsk1 said:
Could Izuru be the one behind this? I mean, we saw him looking out at sea evilly.

Raven_Wingz said:
Barely a fan of Kyoko but in my opinion her death was terribly done if she's actually dead. I didn't even give a damn about Izayoi at ALL, but his death scene brought me to tears. Kirigiri's death is just like..what the fk was this?! Would be worst death of anime if she is for real dead. Even the drop dead farmer freak had a more meaningful death.

EarlCiel said:


Oh, good catch didn't quite notice that. I mean, it really isn't that strange to wake up in different sleeping positions every time you wake up. It was, without a doubt, done with purpose but besides the position switching I personally don't really think we have reason to believe Ryota is the attacker/traitor.

But like you hinted Ryota, without a doubt, is going to play a large role in the end, however, I don't think he's the attacker...perhaps not even the traitor. He could possibly be considered a traitor, though and this is because he's definitely hiding something. Reasons to believe he is the traitor or lines with the theory that Ryota was 'infected by despair' by Junko would only really be legitimate if perhaps Munakata was particularly aiming for Ryota after Tengan named the traitor (which I don't really see any of), similarly, Ryota does seem to know more information than he seems possibly just like Tengan. Ryota seems to have somewhat of an idea of why this final mutual killing game is taking place in the first place, and I don't think this assumption is way off since Tengan and Ryota have definitely schemed some sort of plan. The two of them were even seen together a lot in the beginning and Tengan even briefly mentioned a 'plan' to Munakata. This may also explain why Tengan left his dying message to Ryota...they have some plan that is to be executed but we are unsure of whether this whole situation was created because of the two or they are taking advantage of the situation to execute the plan. The fact that Tengan knows the traitor and told Munakata all this information is a bit puzzling, though.

Similarly, I'm not going to argue against the chance of Ryota leaving the room and killing Ruruka, since it really wasn't so much that Ruruka was killed because she was not able to completely barricade her door. This is because we learned from the first killing that the Great Gozu was murdered despite being in a "closed room"...However, if people are to argue for Mitarai being the attacker...I would argue that he is not capable at all of lifting Gozu up on the ceiling.

This really brings the question of: are the traitor, attacker..or even the mastermind separate people? Is the attacker or mastermind a person in the participants or...someone on the 'outside'? Because it is most likely a very incorrect assumption to believe that one person is all three, and it would actually, I would argue, be more possible that there are multiple people fulfilling these roles. However, the fact that the mastermind did not really show himself ever since the beginning makes you really start pointing fingers at the participants.

WFCgbow said:
I saw a youtube video on this, their are 16 survivors right in the start of the episode and says that, and apparently Hakagure is not apart of the game. Whose this 16th survivor in the end?

nagitokomaeda_ said:
Learning Chisa's and Gozu's NG Codes made me think of something. If someone is dead and triggers his/her forbidden action, will they still get poisoned? Both Chisa's and Gozu's NG Codes can be triggered while they're dead. Why im saying this? In episode 3, Gozu was hanged, but they put his corpse on the floor, would that trigger his forbidden action?

Angry_Always said:


He probably expected her to kill or have Naegi killed. This is, if he were the mastermind. He's jealous of Naegi and likes Kirigiri, it's natural he'd want her to abandon him for the second time. This is all conjecture but my major point is his intentionally shown anger as Kirigiri talks about Naegi and the fact that someone did something with what appeared to be medicine.

It couldn't have been Kirigiri as she was already being killed by it, so it must have been someone else. Naegi a definite no and Asahina most probably not, then Ryouta.

Otakuchrista said:
If he wanted Makoto dead, he could've just made someone else have that for their NG Code

EarlCiel said:


Oh, good catch didn't quite notice that. I mean, it really isn't that strange to wake up in different sleeping positions every time you wake up. It was, without a doubt, done with purpose but besides the position switching I personally don't really think we have reason to believe Ryota is the attacker/traitor.

But like you hinted Ryota, without a doubt, is going to play a large role in the end, however, I don't think he's the attacker...perhaps not even the traitor. He could possibly be considered a traitor, though and this is because he's definitely hiding something. Reasons to believe he is the traitor or lines with the theory that Ryota was 'infected by despair' by Junko would only really be legitimate if perhaps Munakata was particularly aiming for Ryota after Tengan named the traitor (which I don't really see any of), similarly, Ryota does seem to know more information than he seems possibly just like Tengan. Ryota seems to have somewhat of an idea of why this final mutual killing game is taking place in the first place, and I don't think this assumption is way off since Tengan and Ryota have definitely schemed some sort of plan. The two of them were even seen together a lot in the beginning and Tengan even briefly mentioned a 'plan' to Munakata. This may also explain why Tengan left his dying message to Ryota...they have some plan that is to be executed but we are unsure of whether this whole situation was created because of the two or they are taking advantage of the situation to execute the plan. The fact that Tengan knows the traitor and told Munakata all this information is a bit puzzling, though.

Similarly, I'm not going to argue against the chance of Ryota leaving the room and killing Ruruka, since it really wasn't so much that Ruruka was killed because she was not able to completely barricade her door. This is because we learned from the first killing that the Great Gozu was murdered despite being in a "closed room"...However, if people are to argue for Mitarai being the attacker...I would argue that he is not capable at all of lifting Gozu up on the ceiling.

This really brings the question of: are the traitor, attacker..or even the mastermind separate people? Is the attacker or mastermind a person in the participants or...someone on the 'outside'? Because it is most likely a very incorrect assumption to believe that one person is all three, and it would actually, I would argue, be more possible that there are multiple people fulfilling these roles. However, the fact that the mastermind did not really show himself ever since the beginning makes you really start pointing fingers at the participants.

Manecleis said:
We haven't fully discussed the mystery of the monitors.
They are everywhere yet we always see them turned off. The only logical deduction we can make is that they are used when we don't see them, that is to say during sleep time, when the attacker awakes and kills someone.

Besides, we actually had evidence that the monitor that is used during sleep time is the one closest to the victim (they are turned on with a red light every time).

So during sleep time, when the attacker awakes and kills someone, a monitor near the victim is used. Why is that, now?

Dreams_of_Neko said:
What do you mean turned off? As far as I remember, they are always on, with the Monokuma evil eye. I have the impression those monitors were to actually locate the future victim. Or simply locate anyone/anything.
There is also the probability they use some sort of mood enhancer, for subliminally push people into anger. Some scenes where there is arguing or a fight (specially when it comes to Munakata and Naegi) The room is slightly filled with said red glow

Ah, before I forget. Was it mentioned before that the poison makes someone look like a Monokuma? One half of the body is normal, but the other is dark. The blood flowing from the eye being similar to the red eye of Monokuma.

Manecleis said:


What I meant by turned off is that they're useless as long as they just display the Monokuma evil eye (which they basically always do when participants are awake). And since they are monitors, not cameras, I believe their function is to show something rather than capture scenes.

Dreams_of_Neko said:

I see, as long as there is only the eye, there´s nothing. The only time Monokuma is seen using them was in episode 2, and was used to only ask the attacker to start the hunting.

How sure are we those are only monitors? They could be interactive monitors.

Which reminds me, Gekkogahara used the cctv system to locate people, were there cameras? where does she got those images?

And no comment on the poison? I think there must be some important hint there.

Manecleis said:


I believe there is a possibility that the monitor near the victim is put to use during sleep time. A hunting mark for the attacker is a possibility, but it would be a bit "insubstancial". Maybe their use is connected to how every victim seem to have been awaken during the time they were killed - at least Yukizome and Ruruka, probably Gozu too since his eyes were slashed, no way to say for certain in Seiko's case so I'm just going to extrapolate.

I haven't thought of something meaningful for the poison, the symbolism you noticed is most certainly true. I don't know what we can deduce from this, though. Do you have some ideas on the matter?

Angry_Always said:


True, but that's a little too trite and simple for this series, no? Besides with the angst of the FF members and Kirigiri's code maybe he thought that was enough.

Of course, now I don't think Ryouta is the mastermind. If u watched last episode of Zetsubou hen then Chisa is the most suspicious by a large margin

Dam_it said:
Heres my theory
Both future foundation and class 77 having a killing game at the same time and when i watched the game danganronpa 2 at the end naegi ,byakuya and kirigiri is using suits and all
And one person said that someone is waitin for u back home to byakuya and its about fukawa and in future arc fukawa and makoto lil sis is still waitin for them to get them ,meaning kyoko is not dead yet cause kyoko was there with makoto and byakuya to help class 77
And this is just a theory pls dun get mad

Dam_it said:
Heres my theory
Both future foundation and class 77 having a killing game at the same time and when i watched the game danganronpa 2 at the end naegi ,byakuya and kirigiri is using suits and all
And one person said that someone is waitin for u back home to byakuya and its about fukawa and in future arc fukawa and makoto lil sis is still waitin for them to get them ,meaning kyoko is not dead yet cause kyoko was there with makoto and byakuya to help class 77
And this is just a theory pls dun get mad