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Jul 21, 2016 7:48 AM
#1
THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Spoiler is up. Comments: - LOLed at the comparsion of how seriously the 3 captains take the match: Ouji is confident that his team can teach T-2 a lesson or two. Osamu is hoping that T-2 can win this round and the next two rounds. Ikoma is proclaiming his love for eggplant curry. I would say Ikoma definitely has the most confidence in this round. We have seen 2 teams that don’t strategize, B-2 and Katori’s. B-2 is strong despite not strategizing. Katori’s is not. Let’s home Ikoma is the latter. - Interesting that Ouji unit is one of the top teams at blitzkrieg, fitting to their “dogs” theme. Base strategy wise, T-2 seems to have upper hand with Ouji unit seemingly will take Yuuma’s bait (they assume Yuuma will be bodyguarding Chika) and let Osamu on his own, though it remains to be seen if the base strategies are executable thanks to random transfer. Also it remains to be seen if Yuuma + Chika combo is enough to stop Ouji’s as it managed to stop Kakizaki’s. Of course, in-field modifications of base strategies are keys as always. - Ikoma unit is a wild card. Let’s see how the captain will command once in field. - Ouji’s nicknames and representations of everyone on the field are funny: Ossamu is a pair of glasses. Cougar is pon de lion with duck mouth. Amatorichana (Japanese for Amatriciana sauce for pasta seemingly) is like MHA Tsuyu with cowlick. Iko-san is an Oni/Demon. Mizucoming is a broccoli. Kai-kun is a baby. Okki is whaaa..? - Similarly, each member of Ouji team is represented by a pun of his last name. Ouji is a prince. Kashio is a casio watch. Kurauchi is the front part of a train/bus perhaps to represent Kurauchi station? - Kakizaki-sempai gets respect from Ouji, while Katori becomes something like Catherine. - Karasawa’s mafia background is showing, with him easily proposing on disposing someone. His insight on Osamu is interesting, that Osamu is well aware that Border will betray Hyuse before the expedition team arrives to Afto (right before they arrive to Afto, it’s a game of who will betray who first anyway, let’s hope Hyuse is not this dumb to think Border will escort him to Afto with pleasure), and thus, is purposely avoiding the discussion in front of Hyuse. Well, being able to use someone and then betray him once he’s past his usefulness brings Osamu one step towards the villain in glasses territory. - Kinuta’s observation of Kido is also keen. Kido technically never promises to bring Hyuse into the expedition. Karasawa is right, Kido doesn’t value Hyuse’s contribution much compared to Chika’s potential contribution. - Also, Kido technically never promises to bring T-2 into the expedition if they reach B-2. So the expedition exam is still in the air and the higher ups can just set the exam content to fail T-2 (say, by making Osamu fight solo, or by making Chika shoot people) if T-2 doesn’t give him confidence that they can perform in the expedition. So, Kido still one ups Osamu here. - Looking forward to idiot trio commentators. Touma hopefully brings some insight about Oki’s capability and how to stymie Chika as a sniper. Also hoping that Zoe-san will bring sanity to the commentary and points out how meteora/bombardment can deal with Osamu's wires. - Chapter 145 seems to get good response based on the TOC. |
p-kunJul 21, 2016 7:59 AM
Jul 21, 2016 9:09 AM
#2
It's nice to see Oji getting some more flavor with his icons. And it's interesting to see Osamu being targeted again. Though I am a big fan of Karasawa here because I've really been wanting to see what was behind his nice guy exterior. And we do get a glimpse with how he thinks of things. |
Jul 21, 2016 9:13 AM
#3
I think Yuma will develop a soft corner for Hyuse later down the line and he will hide something regarding Hyuse's information on a specific neighboring country and who knows, Hyuse may cause a skirmish between the Border and that country and have a window to abscond from the border and flee to Aftokrator. I think Jin saw everything through and he knows that whatever scheme the top brass throws at T-2, they are definitely gonna overcome it since it would be boring and counterproductive if the main characters don't go to a pivotal expedition to Aftokrator. In Round 6, T-2 is going to use both Osamu and Chika as potential baits and let Ikoma and Ouji fight off each other, after all, we are talking about Villain in the glass here and they will make Ouji's plan of cornering T-2 into a nightmare! Translation from pastebin: http://pastebin.com/XCCb6k9y |
Uma_double12Jul 22, 2016 1:24 AM
Jul 21, 2016 6:17 PM
#4
It's good to see that Osamu already expects to be targeted, and that T-2 is building counters to the other teams plans to target him specifically. I expect this to be a really difficult fight for T-2, but I do expect them to get a decent amount of points, my guess is 5 points for T-2. |
Jul 22, 2016 2:33 AM
#5
I think this match will end up in a very close score, but i see T-2 losing this one! Something like 4 - 3- 3 (Ikoma win). That way they are still close to Kageura's team and they'll need to win the last 2 matches absolutely! |
Jul 22, 2016 4:46 AM
#6
Raw out http://www.mangamint.com/world-trigger-151 It seem like the Ikoma team is full of idiot =)) Ouji >Let's show these Rookies that returned so strongly the difficulty of the upper tier. Osamu >Winning this round, >And it will affect the remaining two rounds as well! Ikoma >It's eggplant curry. Such plan. Ha ha Look like Hyuse got popular among the rookies. Girls like him and boys hate him. This will be fun. |
Jul 22, 2016 8:46 AM
#7
With 8 chapter rule, it's actually for chapter 144. So, the katori flashback actually got the best reception throughout that match arc. Edit: I just remember that Ashihara had hiatus. I'm not really sure, is it counted 7 volumes back or 7 chapters back? I don't know. |
void_spaceJul 22, 2016 8:51 AM
Jul 22, 2016 8:57 AM
#8
aditriz said: With 8 chapter rule, it's actually for chapter 144. So, the katori flashback actually got the best reception throughout that match arc. Edit: I just remember that Ashihara had hiatus. I'm not really sure, is it counted 7 volumes back or 7 chapters back? I don't know. Accounting for the breaks it's actually chapter 146. The one with the explanation. The TOC has more to do with the volume rather than a specific chapter. Rankings for chapters in Volume #1 will reflect in TOC of Volume #8. |
Jul 22, 2016 9:03 AM
#9
LOLOL "Tuna-cutlet-bowl. How can't it be not delicious?" with such serious face in strat meeting. I love Ikoma so much that I'm rooting for his unit to win this, main characters and story be damned. The good thing is that even if his unit loses, he still has a chance to get into the expedition thanks to his 6th attacker status. With their ignorance of team tactics and rather going for man-to-man tactic, I think each member of Ikoma unit will move on his own, making decisions on his own rather than being centrally coordinated by the captain, just like B-2. I think Ikoma team will make the battle field a fun chaos. We know Osamu is great with methodical enemy (like Kazama) but is not great with free style enemy (like Midorikawa). If so, we'll see how Osamu can handle freestyle team like Ikoma's. It's interesting that this round will have 2 mobile teams (grasshopper duo in Ikoma and Ouji team as a whole) vs. 1 turtle team (T-2). BTW, my translation will be different from the scanlation. Ouji team prioritizes on blitzing, not grouping up. Prediction: This round we'll see Ouji team vs Yuuma with Chika's backup. Once Chika releases her first shot, Oki will countersnipe her. We may see that Ouji is counting on Oki to make things difficult for Chika and by doing so, make things easier for his team. Oki will miss (because it'll be a boring fight if she dies so early) but she'll have problem backing up her team safely afterwards so Yuuma will have to chase after Oki (because I want to see Oki's mobility compared to Yuuma), who'll be backed by Kai. We'll have Yuuma vs. Kai+Oki. Without Yuuma's protection, Chika will withdraw to Osamu's wire fortress and Ouji team will be cracking Osamu+Chika defense. No idea what Ikoma+Mizukami will do, perhaps making chaos either by attacking Ouji team or Osamu+Chika team depending on their mood. P.S. thanks to Ouji's nicknames, I remember the names of B-3 and B-5 in just one chapter. How useful. |
p-kunJul 22, 2016 9:07 PM
Jul 22, 2016 11:46 AM
#10
English subbed http://www.mangareader.net/world-trigger/151 |
Jul 22, 2016 7:08 PM
#11
p-kun said: P.S. thanks to Ouji's nicknames, I remember the names of B-3 and B-5 in just one chapter. How useful. Unfortunately I only remembered Kashio going from the nicknames. But I'm totally going to call Katori Katherine from now on. |
Jul 23, 2016 1:12 AM
#12
Jul 23, 2016 1:55 AM
#13
Kuma said: is it only me that thinking that lvl of mind games is soo advanced for WSJ series? this series is soo awesome in term of detail... hype for next battle... I'd say it's comparable to Hunter x Hunter, rare, but it can happen. |
Jul 23, 2016 11:10 AM
#14
I don't think this match will go as expected for ANYONE. I think Ikoma squad will be even more of a wild card then we can expect and throw the match in complete mayhem early on. My guess is that Ouji and Ikoma will mostly kill each other and T-2 won't be able to do much. Yuma will die and Osamu and/or Chika will have to do something reckless to get survival points. Final score T-2: 4 Ikoma: 4 Ouji:3. |
Jul 23, 2016 11:11 AM
#15
Yeah, I think Yuma will go down then Osamu and Chika will run the clock |
Jul 23, 2016 4:31 PM
#16
I'm not sure how it will play out to be honest. I'm expecting a solid performance from T-2, but I doubt they'll win. Even in the Nino/Azuma/Kage match Yuma still snagged a point, and I don't expect Ikoma and Ouji to be able to generate same level of threat. For a guy that Jin said would ultimately rise to be number one attacker, we've been missing a big Yuma performance for a while. I think we'll see a solid level of captaincy from Osamu, as it looks like he just shades Ouji. My guess would be Ikoma to win and T-2 to get 2/3 points. |
Jul 23, 2016 6:08 PM
#17
icecreamsnow said: I'm not sure how it will play out to be honest. I'm expecting a solid performance from T-2, but I doubt they'll win. Even in the Nino/Azuma/Kage match Yuma still snagged a point, and I don't expect Ikoma and Ouji to be able to generate same level of threat. For a guy that Jin said would ultimately rise to be number one attacker, we've been missing a big Yuma performance for a while. I think we'll see a solid level of captaincy from Osamu, as it looks like he just shades Ouji. My guess would be Ikoma to win and T-2 to get 2/3 points. I think Yuma really dosen't need anything more to prove how strong he is. |
Jul 23, 2016 9:40 PM
#18
LuzNight said: I don't think this match will go as expected for ANYONE. I think Ikoma squad will be even more of a wild card then we can expect and throw the match in complete mayhem early on. My guess is that Ouji and Ikoma will mostly kill each other and T-2 won't be able to do much. Yuma will die and Osamu and/or Chika will have to do something reckless to get survival points. Final score T-2: 4 Ikoma: 4 Ouji:3. Yuma will die!! Don't make me laugh, he will definitely be one of the survivors if not the only one. T-2 will scheme such a way that Ouji and Ikoma unit will be forced to engage each other and ultimately play by the rules of Osamu though the score could be as you have mentioned: T-2-4, Ikoma-4, and Ouji-3. |
Jul 24, 2016 12:28 AM
#19
For me, It's hard to predict of what will happen for the next chapter since Ikoma Unit talks about food instead of strategies lol. But what I can predict base from Ouji Unit's plan to target Osamu and Oki's plan to target Chika...The battle will be a "hide and attack" style for Chika and Osamu because both of them will rely more in using bagworm. If both of them will get lucky to perfectly hide from their enemies...then they will only reveal their locations when they already set the traps and ready to support their teammates. Yuma will do what the team suggested on this chapter which is to use himself to lure away the enemies from Osamu and Chika. |
-jdj888-Jul 24, 2016 12:32 AM
Jul 24, 2016 7:09 AM
#20
Uma_double12 said: LuzNight said: I don't think this match will go as expected for ANYONE. I think Ikoma squad will be even more of a wild card then we can expect and throw the match in complete mayhem early on. My guess is that Ouji and Ikoma will mostly kill each other and T-2 won't be able to do much. Yuma will die and Osamu and/or Chika will have to do something reckless to get survival points. Final score T-2: 4 Ikoma: 4 Ouji:3. Yuma will die!! Don't make me laugh, he will definitely be one of the survivors if not the only one. T-2 will scheme such a way that Ouji and Ikoma unit will be forced to engage each other and ultimately play by the rules of Osamu though the score could be as you have mentioned: T-2-4, Ikoma-4, and Ouji-3. Shame on him if he's the only one alive because his job is to be the vanguard. It's nice that you agree with my score prediction but I don't see how that score could reflect a match where they "play by the rules of Osamu". It's just speculation but yes I think Yuma will be taken out. Not necessarily in the beginning and definitely not before scoring a point but still I think he will bail out. For starters, Ikoma might be "weaker" than Murakami but unlike him, Yuma never fought him before AND most importantly, his use of senku could be problematic for Yuma who has shorter range and little defence. Also, even if we were to assume that Yuma could defeat any of them on one on one, I doubt he could come out of victorious fighting them as teams or duos. |
Jul 24, 2016 9:06 AM
#21
LuzNight said: Sorry to butt in...but thanks for reminding me about Ikoma's senku. I forgot to mention it in my previous post about the possibility of one on one between Yuma and Ikoma because I want to see the kogetsu+senku versus mantis - if they will have a chance for 1vs1 fight.For starters, Ikoma might be "weaker" than Murakami but unlike him, Yuma never fought him before AND most importantly, his use of senku could be problematic for Yuma who has shorter range and little defence. Also, even if we were to assume that Yuma could defeat any of them on one on one, I doubt he could come out of victorious fighting them as teams or duos. I think Yuma's range will not be a problem against Ikoma if he maximize the use of mantis. Kogetsu+senku's advantage is its durability compared to mantis while mantis advantage is its flexibility and Yuma can control its trajectory. |
Jul 24, 2016 9:23 AM
#22
LuzNight said: Uma_double12 said: LuzNight said: I don't think this match will go as expected for ANYONE. I think Ikoma squad will be even more of a wild card then we can expect and throw the match in complete mayhem early on. My guess is that Ouji and Ikoma will mostly kill each other and T-2 won't be able to do much. Yuma will die and Osamu and/or Chika will have to do something reckless to get survival points. Final score T-2: 4 Ikoma: 4 Ouji:3. Yuma will die!! Don't make me laugh, he will definitely be one of the survivors if not the only one. T-2 will scheme such a way that Ouji and Ikoma unit will be forced to engage each other and ultimately play by the rules of Osamu though the score could be as you have mentioned: T-2-4, Ikoma-4, and Ouji-3. Shame on him if he's the only one alive because his job is to be the vanguard. It's nice that you agree with my score prediction but I don't see how that score could reflect a match where they "play by the rules of Osamu". It's just speculation but yes I think Yuma will be taken out. Not necessarily in the beginning and definitely not before scoring a point but still I think he will bail out. For starters, Ikoma might be "weaker" than Murakami but unlike him, Yuma never fought him before AND most importantly, his use of senku could be problematic for Yuma who has shorter range and little defence. Also, even if we were to assume that Yuma could defeat any of them on one on one, I doubt he could come out of victorious fighting them as teams or duos. If Yuma goes out then T-2 is sure to lose and since you are betting on T-2's victory or at the very least equalization with Ikoma unit then it's safe to assume Yuma's survival till the end. Yuma only fell when aces of B-1 and B-2 attacked him simultaneously and moreover, he had not any support and he already lost his arm and leg. Ninomiya is number one shooter and number two in individual ranking and Kageura is more powerful than Murakami, so it was obvious for Yuma to loose with such dire situation, furthermore, Azuma was lurking behind the scene so Yuma had to take a drastic action. Unlike the aforementioned condition this round-6 is not as dire as it was in round-4, moreover, now Yuma has teammates whom he can count on and what else by no means neither Ikoma nor Ouji could pose a threat to Yuma like Ninomiya and Kageura. Yuma is a neighbor, and a neighbor who has the wits to befuddle a war veteran and BT user like Viza. He can easily take care of Ikoma's extended attack/senku attacks, and the way he found a way in the record of Ikoma's attack captured in a certain angle it gives us some foreshadow that Yuma will take advantage of it, however, it would be easier if he can tackle his opponents as a team- Chika's support. Most importantly we are yet to see Mantis in it's potential form since we know Yuma uses border's agents attack/tactics in a creative and different way which is alluring and shocking to the A-rank agents. |
Jul 24, 2016 10:54 AM
#23
Yuma could always get overconfident again and get half his torso blown off. |
Jul 24, 2016 11:19 AM
#24
Uma_double12 said: LuzNight said: Uma_double12 said: LuzNight said: I don't think this match will go as expected for ANYONE. I think Ikoma squad will be even more of a wild card then we can expect and throw the match in complete mayhem early on. My guess is that Ouji and Ikoma will mostly kill each other and T-2 won't be able to do much. Yuma will die and Osamu and/or Chika will have to do something reckless to get survival points. Final score T-2: 4 Ikoma: 4 Ouji:3. Yuma will die!! Don't make me laugh, he will definitely be one of the survivors if not the only one. T-2 will scheme such a way that Ouji and Ikoma unit will be forced to engage each other and ultimately play by the rules of Osamu though the score could be as you have mentioned: T-2-4, Ikoma-4, and Ouji-3. Shame on him if he's the only one alive because his job is to be the vanguard. It's nice that you agree with my score prediction but I don't see how that score could reflect a match where they "play by the rules of Osamu". It's just speculation but yes I think Yuma will be taken out. Not necessarily in the beginning and definitely not before scoring a point but still I think he will bail out. For starters, Ikoma might be "weaker" than Murakami but unlike him, Yuma never fought him before AND most importantly, his use of senku could be problematic for Yuma who has shorter range and little defence. Also, even if we were to assume that Yuma could defeat any of them on one on one, I doubt he could come out of victorious fighting them as teams or duos. If Yuma goes out then T-2 is sure to lose and since you are betting on T-2's victory or at the very least equalization with Ikoma unit then it's safe to assume Yuma's survival till the end. Yuma only fell when aces of B-1 and B-2 attacked him simultaneously and moreover, he had not any support and he already lost his arm and leg. Ninomiya is number one shooter and number two in individual ranking and Kageura is more powerful than Murakami, so it was obvious for Yuma to loose with such dire situation, furthermore, Azuma was lurking behind the scene so Yuma had to take a drastic action. Unlike the aforementioned condition this round-6 is not as dire as it was in round-4, moreover, now Yuma has teammates whom he can count on and what else by no means neither Ikoma nor Ouji could pose a threat to Yuma like Ninomiya and Kageura. Yuma is a neighbor, and a neighbor who has the wits to befuddle a war veteran and BT user like Viza. He can easily take care of Ikoma's extended attack/senku attacks, and the way he found a way in the record of Ikoma's attack captured in a certain angle it gives us some foreshadow that Yuma will take advantage of it, however, it would be easier if he can tackle his opponents as a team- Chika's support. Most importantly we are yet to see Mantis in it's potential form since we know Yuma uses border's agents attack/tactics in a creative and different way which is alluring and shocking to the A-rank agents. Im not even going to adress your "Yuma is a neighbor with experience" argument because we have talked about that so many times already... Yuma was almost taken out by Kakizaki in the last match and is almost ALWAYS on the brink of trion exhaustion (against middle B ranks) so I think it is MORE than possible for him to loose against top B ranks. Mantis does give him more range but not as much as senku as he certainly does not master it well enough to compensate. Yes I believe Yuma will fall and Yes I believe T-2 will still win. For example, Yuma, Osamu, Chika and Ikoma could be the only ones left. Then Ikoma kills Yuma so Chika and Osamu use desperate tacticts to ensure they have their precious points. don't think it is such a stretch to imagine Osamu and Chika scoring 1 point without Yuma. |
Jul 24, 2016 2:14 PM
#25
I've been analyzing some data from the sniper pratice we had before the Galapoula invasion so lets begin: This were the places everyone we know had Narasaka 1 Satori 2 ????? 3 Hanzaki 4 Hokari 5 ????? 6 Arafune 7 ????? 8 Shouhei 9 ????? 10 Hiura 11 Taichi 13 Chika 19 Ema 25 Touma 51 Natsume 64 We know that Kusakabe Unit and Katagiri Unit were not there at that time so their snipers didn't join. Based on that we can only assume the 3rd, 6th, 8th and 10th are B-Class Agents and the only remaining Snipers in B-Class are Koji Oki (Ikoma Unit) which i believe is the 3rd Kazuto Tonooka (Yuba Unit) which i belive is the 6th Yukito Otogawa (Ebina Unit) which i believe is the 8th which is not that strange since Ebina Unit seems to be on the rise so their agents must be good. Tokiya Saitō (Tokiwa Unit) which i believe is the 10th because there isnt anymore B-Class snipers and it would be weird to have a C-Class do a top 10 This makes Taichi and Chika the only 2 Snipers with a C-class (for sure) doing better than them, Taichi probably having 1 and Chika having 6, which makes sense since they do seem the weakest snipers in B-Class. Also Touma shoot everyone i listed plus 1 unknown sniper which i believe was Oki (Ikoma Unit) because he hits the best targets, but that also means he missed 2 top 10 snipers and Yuba's Sniper is a high ranked one i find it weird he didn't hit him or Oki. EDIT: There is also Azuma but he was in the meeting. |
Jota_CarvalhoJul 24, 2016 2:17 PM
Jul 25, 2016 3:26 PM
#26
Jota_Carvalho said: I've been analyzing some data from the sniper pratice we had before the Galapoula invasion so lets begin: This were the places everyone we know had Narasaka 1 Satori 2 ????? 3 Hanzaki 4 Hokari 5 ????? 6 Arafune 7 ????? 8 Shouhei 9 ????? 10 Hiura 11 Taichi 13 Chika 19 Ema 25 Touma 51 Natsume 64 We know that Kusakabe Unit and Katagiri Unit were not there at that time so their snipers didn't join. Based on that we can only assume the 3rd, 6th, 8th and 10th are B-Class Agents and the only remaining Snipers in B-Class are Koji Oki (Ikoma Unit) which i believe is the 3rd Kazuto Tonooka (Yuba Unit) which i belive is the 6th Yukito Otogawa (Ebina Unit) which i believe is the 8th which is not that strange since Ebina Unit seems to be on the rise so their agents must be good. Tokiya Saitō (Tokiwa Unit) which i believe is the 10th because there isnt anymore B-Class snipers and it would be weird to have a C-Class do a top 10 This makes Taichi and Chika the only 2 Snipers with a C-class (for sure) doing better than them, Taichi probably having 1 and Chika having 6, which makes sense since they do seem the weakest snipers in B-Class. Also Touma shoot everyone i listed plus 1 unknown sniper which i believe was Oki (Ikoma Unit) because he hits the best targets, but that also means he missed 2 top 10 snipers and Yuba's Sniper is a high ranked one i find it weird he didn't hit him or Oki. EDIT: There is also Azuma but he was in the meeting. Nice analysis wich makes sense acording to the rank wars data. However, you forgot that not all the B-rank agents participate in the rank wars and/or part of a team. Ashihara mentioned that there exists many other branches aside from Suzunari and Tamakoma. We don't hear much about them because they exist to focus on other stuff than rank wars. That being said, these branches are still part of Border thus perform patrol and protection duties so it makes sense they would take part in joint training since it is one of the few ways Border has to make sure they are still up to standards. I think you are right about Oki and Tonooka being 3rd and 6th but other snipers from other branches might fill some of the other ranks. Personally, I think it makes more sense than to have C-rankers so high up in the ranks. Chika is a newbie but so are every C-ranks and Chika as Reiji as a mentor so I would be surprised that so many C-ranks would be above her at this point. As for those hit by Touma, Chippokenbokura had a theory that Oki was one of those NOT hit which makes sense since he is sniper known for his high mobility. |
Jul 25, 2016 4:53 PM
#27
I imagine Touma will mention if this is the case during the commentary. |
Jul 26, 2016 9:01 AM
#28
Iirc there were 6 other new snipers in Chika's batch. In other words some C-ranks aren't total newbs so it's not that surprising to see some high up. That said it makes you wonder why they are still C-Ranks to begin with, but hey. |
Jul 26, 2016 9:13 AM
#29
Botato said: Iirc there were 6 other new snipers in Chika's batch. In other words some C-ranks aren't total newbs so it's not that surprising to see some high up. That said it makes you wonder why they are still C-Ranks to begin with, but hey. Well I imagine C-Rank snipers rank up slower since they can't compete in the Solo Rank Wars iirc. |
Aug 1, 2016 3:08 PM
#30
Dec 16, 6:53 PM
#31
Ikoma is such a funny ass character, the whole squad is funny really. I love how they're goofing off while the other two teams are seriously brainstorming. |
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