Is there actually a difference between the fanservice in TV shows with nudity like Game of Thrones and Anime?
| It actually boils down to two facts. 1. There isn't much (enough) nudity in western television in the first place. 2. GOT and probably other western shows featuring nudity are dead serious while in japanimation nudity is played off as sexually charged humour which is considered unclassy.. |
| The real double standard I perceive with that show is "incest in anime is creepy and pandering, but incest in GoT is perfectly okay!" |
| Yes. It's fun to watch echhi in anime. While in GOT only ugly bitches runs naked without any reason. Totally no fun >_< |
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| For what it's worth, your example of GOT actually garnered quite a lot of criticism, to the point where a new phrase was coined, "sexposition". But anyway, in regards to your question : the way nudity is presented in anime is nearly always for comical and arousing purposes, as opposed to actually being relevant to the story. That in itself negates the presupposed double standards because they end up being very different things. I mean, imagine how stupid it would be if in the middle of the preparations for the battle at King's Landing they decided to have an entire episode at a hot spring, doing sweet nothing. I doubt it would be well received - not only would it be completely irrelevant to the plot, but it would actually stall the plot because nothing would be happening. A lot of the nudity in GOT happens in the background (hence the sexposition term) so I never really was negatively bothered by it. For the nudity in the forefront, there were often reasons for it - such as a prostitute speaking to a character. |
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| If you want to compare GOT to anime then you should pick something relevant like Berserk or Basilisk. It's rathher difficult to even compare Anime nudity with GOT because very few anime have that kind of themes.Also it's pretty rare to see characters having coitus. But if I were to compare Berserk or Basilisk to GOT, my conclusion would be that their handling of Nudity do seem far more relevant to the plot and less fanservicey. |
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ItsMaz said: For what it's worth, your example of GOT actually garnered quite a lot of criticism, to the point where a new phrase was coined, "sexposition". But anyway, in regards to your question : the way nudity is presented in anime is nearly always for comical and arousing purposes, as opposed to actually being relevant to the story. That in itself negates the presupposed double standards because they end up being very different things. I mean, imagine how stupid it would be if in the middle of the preparations for the battle at King's Landing they decided to have an entire episode at a hot spring, doing sweet nothing. I doubt it would be well received - not only would it be completely irrelevant to the plot, but it would actually stall the plot because nothing would be happening. A lot of the nudity in GOT happens in the background (hence the sexposition term) so I never really was negatively bothered by it. For the nudity in the forefront, there were often reasons for it - such as a prostitute speaking to a character. Couldn't write it any better 30 character limit yooo |
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GawdShaddup said: Zalis said: The real double standard I perceive with that show is "incest in anime is creepy and pandering, but incest in GoT is perfectly okay!" Well Incest was normal for people who were living in that Medieval Era and a lot of incest happens in Royal Families in order to keep the blood pure so it fits the settings. However most anime with the Brocon Siscon Shenanigans are set in a Modern Era were people in society perceive it as wrong. That argument doesn't really work. Because Jaime and Cersi's relationship is kept secrect by them on purpose, and they explicitly state that people would call them freaks if they found out. It's definitely implied that incest is not accepted in King's landing and westros. |
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GawdShaddup said: ItsMaz said: For what it's worth, your example of GOT actually garnered quite a lot of criticism, to the point where a new phrase was coined, "sexposition". But anyway, in regards to your question : the way nudity is presented in anime is nearly always for comical and arousing purposes, as opposed to actually being relevant to the story. That in itself negates the presupposed double standards because they end up being very different things. I mean, imagine how stupid it would be if in the middle of the preparations for the battle at King's Landing they decided to have an entire episode at a hot spring, doing sweet nothing. I doubt it would be well received - not only would it be completely irrelevant to the plot, but it would actually stall the plot because nothing would be happening. A lot of the nudity in GOT happens in the background (hence the sexposition term) so I never really was negatively bothered by it. For the nudity in the forefront, there were often reasons for it - such as a prostitute speaking to a character. Yes I agree the nudity in anime is mostly for comedic purpose and are most of the time irrelevant to the plot. However if I'm just using the point of "It is irrelevant"" as an argument would that not mean the nudity in GOT is also irrelevant the same with anime. They didn't have to show the prostitute naked in GOT I mean you could have just mentioned the girl is a prostitute in one of the characters lines. So it would have been unnecessary to show her naked. I do agree with the "Hot Springs Episode to Stall the plot" point it is bad and irrelevant. However I feel like a lot of the male audience of Game of Thrones wouldn't be angry with an episode like that though compared to how angry anime fans would be with a "Hot Springs episode"... Sure, they wouldn't necessarily have to show a prostitute naked at the time. But it's not going out of their way to show nudity, either. It's at least a somewhat believeable time to show the nudity, even if they didn't have to. But then, anime typically handles nudity in a far more immature fashion than western TV shows too. The vast majority of anime characters get incredibly flustered and embarassed at the slightest sight of any nudity. Sure, a lot of this can be attributed to the age of the characters a lot of the time, but it's often portrayed as something embarassing. When you compare that to a show like GOT, women willingly strip themselves in order to make use of their body; they use their feminine charms to their advantage to seduce men. At that point, the nudity is incredibly important and relevant to the plot. Most of the time in anime, though, the scene stops short of anything happening because a nosebleed occurs. As a personal note, I myself dislike nudity and fanservice when it's included for the sake of it being included. If I'm not watching an ecchi anime then chances are I'll dislike the fanservice because it does nothing but stall other events from happening. Quick little edit - the biggest and most important difference, though, is that nudity in anime is often purely for fanservice; nudity in shows like GOT often has an actual purpose. It ISN'T fanservice. |
MazFeb 14, 2016 12:05 PM
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| I haven't seen GOT so I can't comment on that. But when a show's premise revolves around aliens who happen to look like 13 year old girls with breasts the size of their own skulls falling in love with a kid and sexually harassing him, I think it's fair to view it as something for an immature audience. With a plot that barely stands up to the premise of a bad porno, it's hard to take seriously. |
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| I don't get any subscription channels like HBO, since they cost extra, so I never got into those kinds of shows and have nothing to compare the nudity bonus in anime to. |
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| I personally prefer shows with no fanservice or just a few, like Breaking Bad or Hunter X Hunter 2011. If i want to watch nudity there's always two options getting a girlfriend or internet research purposes , if you know what i mean. |
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ItsMaz said: GawdShaddup said: Yes I agree the nudity in anime is mostly for comedic purpose and are most of the time irrelevant to the plot. However if I'm just using the point of "It is irrelevant"" as an argument would that not mean the nudity in GOT is also irrelevant the same with anime. They didn't have to show the prostitute naked in GOT I mean you could have just mentioned the girl is a prostitute in one of the characters lines. So it would have been unnecessary to show her naked. I do agree with the "Hot Springs Episode to Stall the plot" point it is bad and irrelevant. However I feel like a lot of the male audience of Game of Thrones wouldn't be angry with an episode like that though compared to how angry anime fans would be with a "Hot Springs episode"... Sure, they wouldn't necessarily have to show a prostitute naked at the time. But it's not going out of their way to show nudity, either. It's at least a somewhat believeable time to show the nudity, even if they didn't have to. But then, anime typically handles nudity in a far more immature fashion than western TV shows too. The vast majority of anime characters get incredibly flustered and embarassed at the slightest sight of any nudity. Sure, a lot of this can be attributed to the age of the characters a lot of the time, but it's often portrayed as something embarassing. When you compare that to a show like GOT, women willingly strip themselves in order to make use of their body; they use their feminine charms to their advantage to seduce men. At that point, the nudity is incredibly important and relevant to the plot. Most of the time in anime, though, the scene stops short of anything happening because a nosebleed occurs. As a personal note, I myself dislike nudity and fanservice when it's included for the sake of it being included. If I'm not watching an ecchi anime then chances are I'll dislike the fanservice because it does nothing but stall other events from happening. Quick little edit - the biggest and most important difference, though, is that nudity in anime is often purely for fanservice; nudity in shows like GOT often has an actual purpose. It ISN'T fanservice. I think your argument really doesn't work. Because you are comparing completely different tones. GoT no matter what has never had the tone of a typical anime fanservice scene that is comedic in nature. At most GoT would just have black comedy. The appropriate comparison here is between sexual fanservice that isn't comical. Example: If someone had a problem with this and not GoT nudity, then yes it's indeed double standard. And another point there is a lot of scenes in GoT that literally serve no purpose other than showing tits on the screen, they are not background, they are the actual scenes. I think the root of the double standards stems from anime being a drawn medium and GoT being real life. People won't complain about GoT's nudity/fanservice but they might complain about anime's, because it's more controversial, and some people straight out can't handle anime fanservice irregardless if it's detrimental to the scene or not. |
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tsudecimo said: ItsMaz said: Sure, they wouldn't necessarily have to show a prostitute naked at the time. But it's not going out of their way to show nudity, either. It's at least a somewhat believeable time to show the nudity, even if they didn't have to. But then, anime typically handles nudity in a far more immature fashion than western TV shows too. The vast majority of anime characters get incredibly flustered and embarassed at the slightest sight of any nudity. Sure, a lot of this can be attributed to the age of the characters a lot of the time, but it's often portrayed as something embarassing. When you compare that to a show like GOT, women willingly strip themselves in order to make use of their body; they use their feminine charms to their advantage to seduce men. At that point, the nudity is incredibly important and relevant to the plot. Most of the time in anime, though, the scene stops short of anything happening because a nosebleed occurs. As a personal note, I myself dislike nudity and fanservice when it's included for the sake of it being included. If I'm not watching an ecchi anime then chances are I'll dislike the fanservice because it does nothing but stall other events from happening. Quick little edit - the biggest and most important difference, though, is that nudity in anime is often purely for fanservice; nudity in shows like GOT often has an actual purpose. It ISN'T fanservice. I think your argument really doesn't work. Because you are comparing completely different tones. GoT no matter what has never had the tone of a typical anime fanservice scene that is comedic in nature. At most GoT would just have black comedy. The appropriate comparison here is between sexual fanservice that isn't comical. Example: If someone had a problem with this and not GoT nudity, then yes it's indeed double standard. And another point there is a lot of scenes in GoT that literally serve no purpose other than showing tits on the screen, they are not background, they are the actual scenes. I think the root of the double standards stems from anime being a drawn medium and GoT being real life. People won't complain about GoT's nudity/fanservice but they might complain about anime's, because it's more controversial, and some people straight out can't handle anime fanservice irregardless if it's detrimental to the scene or not. +1 Took the words straight outta my mouth! :') |
| Nothing wrong with nudity in general. I actually think it should be considered a necessity in most genres/mediums. |
Seiya0890 said: But its still disgusting from my point of view, and from the word's point of view, therefore its disgusting. Wise words. |
GawdShaddup said: ItsMaz said: Sure, they wouldn't necessarily have to show a prostitute naked at the time. But it's not going out of their way to show nudity, either. It's at least a somewhat believeable time to show the nudity, even if they didn't have to. But then, anime typically handles nudity in a far more immature fashion than western TV shows too. The vast majority of anime characters get incredibly flustered and embarassed at the slightest sight of any nudity. Sure, a lot of this can be attributed to the age of the characters a lot of the time, but it's often portrayed as something embarassing. When you compare that to a show like GOT, women willingly strip themselves in order to make use of their body; they use their feminine charms to their advantage to seduce men. At that point, the nudity is incredibly important and relevant to the plot. Most of the time in anime, though, the scene stops short of anything happening because a nosebleed occurs. As a personal note, I myself dislike nudity and fanservice when it's included for the sake of it being included. If I'm not watching an ecchi anime then chances are I'll dislike the fanservice because it does nothing but stall other events from happening. I feel like the fanservice in anime are also at a believable time. I mean this fan service happens in a shower, springs or beach (You name it) episodes. I feel like the Immature Character point you made is more on personal taste on comedy rather than relevance to the plot. I mean a lot of people find it funny no matter how many times it is shown. So yes it isn't important to the plot but is used as comedic relief so it does have some relevance to the story depending at what you enjoy or not. However I completely agree with your point saying the woman in GOT when showing Nudity is to seduce the MC making it relevant to the plot. Fun Side Note: With the large amount of writing and good valid points we are both making. I feel like we should totally write a paper and submit it to the anime industry or a University/ College for discussion. For the shits and giggles. :) Oh, of course. I'm not saying it as a blanket statement, that all fanservice in anime is unbelieveable and the like. I don't mean that immature is a bad thing, either. It has negative connotations, but cast them aside lol. Na, I could never submit a report. I'm incredibly critical of my own written work; even in this thread I've edited my comments several times and added little things on xD @tsudecimo I actually stated in my first post that they weren't really comparable due to the completely different ways that they handle nudity and fanservice lol. But anyway, in regards to your question : the way nudity is presented in anime is nearly always for comical and arousing purposes, as opposed to actually being relevant to the story. That in itself negates the presupposed double standards because they end up being very different things. As for the last two paragraphs you put, which are indicative of the double standards - I agree with your very last paragraph; I would also posit that the amount of shows like GoT are quite low, whereas fanservice as an anime trope is incredibly common. When I think about it, the Spartacus series is the only other series I've seen that I can think of which has such a large amount of gratuitous sexual scenes. In general I haven't seen many shows come nearly as close as these two did. At this point, people might not mind them so much because they're quite a rare thing. You won't see one of these shows and think it applies to all shows similar to them. But in the case of anime, fanservice is quite a widespread thing. People will get tired of it because they see it all the time. Furthermore, the scenes in GOT go a lot further than general anime fanservice - this is also one of the reasons why I typically enjoy ecchi scenes but dislike general fanservice. You see more and it goes further; general fanservice where a lot of things are censored or otherwise covered up feel 2nd rate to me. Rather than being actual fanservice, they wind up feeling boring, which is the complete opposite of the intended effect. Hopefully I haven't gone off-tangent too much. |
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GawdShaddup said: The setting itself is Medieval not the show. This show is made to appeal to the audience of our time, meaning they think its okay to show incest as long as their is a story with it.tsudecimo said: That argument doesn't really work. Because Jaime and Cersi's relationship is kept secrect by them on purpose, and they explicitly state that people would call them freaks if they found out. It's definitely implied that incest is not accepted in King's landing and westros. Oh really! Hahaha! I didn't remember that! :/ It's been a long time since I watched GOT. But the point I was making is mainly focusing on incest in the Medieval Era in general and not the incest in GOT. |
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GawdShaddup said: ItsMaz said: Oh, of course. I'm not saying it as a blanket statement, that all fanservice in anime is unbelieveable and the like. I don't mean that immature is a bad thing, either. It has negative connotations, but cast them aside lol. Na, I could never submit a report. I'm incredibly critical of my own written work; even in this thread I've edited my comments several times and added little things on xD @tsudecimo I actually stated in my first post that they weren't really comparable due to the completely different ways that they handle nudity and fanservice lol. As for the last two paragraphs you put, which are indicative of the double standards - I agree with your very last paragraph; I would also posit that the amount of shows like GoT are quite low, whereas fanservice as an anime trope is incredibly common. When I think about it, the Spartacus series is the only other series I've seen that I can think of which has such a large amount of gratuitous sexual scenes. In general I haven't seen many shows come nearly as close as these two did. At this point, people might not mind them so much because they're quite a rare thing. You won't see one of these shows and think it applies to all shows similar to them. But in the case of anime, fanservice is quite a widespread thing. People will get tired of it because they see it all the time. Furthermore, the scenes in GOT go a lot further than general anime fanservice - this is also one of the reasons why I typically enjoy ecchi scenes but dislike general fanservice. You see more and it goes further; general fanservice where a lot of things are censored or otherwise covered up feel 2nd rate to me. Rather than being actual fanservice, they wind up feeling boring, which is the complete opposite of the intended effect. Hopefully I haven't gone off-tangent too much. "I don't mean that immature is a bad thing, either. It has negative connotations, but cast them aside lol." That's one of the reasons why I made this thread. I mean if you find the anime is immature then the aime is not suited to your tastes. It doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. It's just the fact that these shows with a lot of fanservice are more geared towards immature audiences and it wasn't geared towards me. Hahaha! Same! I've been editing my previous comments due to grammatical errors and spelling. xD Side Note: I clicked on your profile and the shows you like are Highschool DxD and Yuusha ni Narenakatta Ore wa Shibushibu Shuushoku wo Ketsui Shimashita. Not saying it's a bad thing. I like those 2 shows but hahaha! oh the irony! :') Finding something immature doesn't necessarily mean it isn't for you. I enjoy tons of immature shows. This is one of the problems with the English language; words have too many meanings and have too many connotations which give the wrong idea. Immaturity is usually seen as a bad thing, but it's often quite funny ^^ It all depends on the context for me. Hahaha yeah, I can see why it would seem ironic, but I touched upon it a little in a previous post - I love ecchi fanservice when the show is actually based around being an ecchi. I dislike fanservice when it's forced into a show where it isn't really relevant. In ecchis, the fanservice goes further - this makes it more enjoyable - and there usually isn't a huge plot that gets left out because of the fanservice. For example, I disliked a lot of the harem fanservice in Gakuen Toshi Asterisk because the primary focus was the battle tournament. There was an episode that centred on going to the swimming pool and then the shower rooms afterwards. Rather than that, which served little purpose, we could have had more tournament fights. It seems we have very similar taste in anime lol. |
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katsaroulhs said: how else are we going to make a statue if it's not nudeNothing wrong with nudity in general. I actually think it should be considered a necessity in most genres/mediums. my medium of choice is topiary nude bushes are the best |
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romagia said: katsaroulhs said: how else are we going to Nothing wrong with nudity in general. I actually think it should be considered a necessity in most genres/mediums. nude bushes are the best As long as I don't get too much hair in my mouth, I am ok with bushes. They are elegant. |
Seiya0890 said: But its still disgusting from my point of view, and from the word's point of view, therefore its disgusting. Wise words. |
| There's nothing unique about the nudity in anime, nudity in fiction is ancient and only pussy swj whiners and insecure 12 year olds complain about it But ofc, over sexualize a woman and "the anime is ruined". Do the same for a dude, no one cares |
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Ecchi_Hater_9000 said: If it pertains to the plot, it needs to be there. There are actually times when it would be weird not to have some nudity. Anyone who has read the books knows that "Game of Thrones" would not be a proper adaptation without graphic sexual content. Westeros and Essos are pretty brutal lands, in all ways imaginable. It would be odd if they showed the whore-houses without any nudity. |
Rojo said: Ecchi_Hater_9000 said: If it pertains to the plot, it needs to be there. There are actually times when it would be weird not to have some nudity. Anyone who has read the books knows that "Game of Thrones" would not be a proper adaptation without graphic sexual content. Westeros and Essos are pretty brutal lands, in all ways imaginable. It would be odd if they showed the whore-houses without any nudity. So much obvious hypocrisy in this thread. The author of GoT could have easily written his story without any sex scenes and nudity. All of them are in the story strictly for fan service. To give the story the desired "mature" and "brutal" feel. Just look at all the stories that aren't full of sexuality. |
flannan said: So much obvious hypocrisy in this thread. The author of GoT could have easily written his story without any sex scenes and nudity. All of them are in the story strictly for fan service. To give the story the desired "mature" and "brutal" feel. Just look at all the stories that aren't full of sexuality. "could have easily" is a very strong way to put it. Yeah, he could have, but doing that making it work with the story/world and also keeping it mature wouldn't have been easy at all. Next people will be saying "he should have written it with less violence." |
Rojo said: flannan said: So much obvious hypocrisy in this thread. The author of GoT could have easily written his story without any sex scenes and nudity. All of them are in the story strictly for fan service. To give the story the desired "mature" and "brutal" feel. Just look at all the stories that aren't full of sexuality. "could have easily" is a very strong way to put it. Yeah, he could have, but doing that making it work with the story/world and also keeping it mature wouldn't have been easy at all. Next people will be saying "he should have written it with less violence." I don't say that he should have written it with less violence. He must like all that violence, and his audience likes it too. And that's allright. Just don't make me watch that vile stuff. Personally I prefer Dog Days, where nobody dies, everybody are nice people, and there is plenty of unnecessary nudity. |
| Its completely different, in GoT its usually done in a mature way. In anime its done in the most childish way possible with the MC's screaming at the sight of boobs and the girls always getting embarassed. Not to mention the panty shots.. I would be fine if anime had more GoT esque sex instead of childish fanservice. Berserk is a good example on how to do it right. |
Z-Dante said: Yes. It's fun to watch echhi in anime. While in GOT only ugly bitches runs naked without any reason. Totally no fun >_< Most of them are hot, I think someone went too deep into anime. |
| Well it's natural to have nudity in sex scenes and sex scenes are somewhat natural when adult characters are involved. That's not what happens in anime most of the time. The nudity in anime is bothersome because it's often forced in for some fanservice without coming natural from the flow of the events. Like randomly showing us a shower scene when we could have heard the same inner monologue in another setting, or focusing a lot of time on some guy peeping and other stuff that's generally not funny. The issue is that in anime you don't just get down-to-earth nudity, but it's always a big drama and lots of time os spent to build it up or deal with it afterwards. Instead of just showing a 15 second sex scene with some naked people much more time is spent on the topic while it also tends to fit less in the flow of the story. Making it stick out like a sore thumb, disrupting the flow of the narrative and then getting hung up on it. That's why I personally find it much easier to ignore the nudity and sex scenes in Game of Thrones compared to some random ecchi anime. That being said I could definitely do without most of the GoT sex scenes just because they tend to not add much to the story either. There are some that make sense within the narrative and are even necessary but most of them just seem like fanservice to me. But at least natural fanservice, which makes it much less cringy and easier to ignore than what is considered ecchi fanservice in anime. It's a small part of a series that otherwise has totally other things going on. In anime it almost always feels like the sexual fanservice is dominating a show, if it's there Because you can't just show two people casually having sex if you want to give fanservice to anime viewers. Sex is a big no-no and most of the time the characters are like 14 so instead of showing fanservice in the form of something that everyone should be expected to do (have sex from time to time) they make up forced scenarios of awkward shower scenes, peeping, weird accidents, daydreams and other silly stuff that is simply painful to watch almost all of the time. The few times when fanservice/ecchi is actually born out of genuine sexual attraction between two characters I can actually enjoy it to some degree compared to all that pretentious bullshit we normally get. But that's mostly the case in purer ecchi series and not something with totally different main genres and plots like GoT. |
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| There is very much a difference in unsexualised nudity (for example, someone changing, bathing, or otherwise naturally being naked) and nudity in terms of romance compared to that of "fanservice" (pervy camera angles that give the viewer a "panty shot," having a woman's unrealistically big tits be the core appeal of her character, etc.) Just think about the word fanservice, it's literally making a character a sexual object for the viewer. If a character is naked or whatever in a way that makes sense in the context of the scene/story then that's fine. For example, Kemonozume is a show that had a very realistic depiction of sex and romance, and in that context it was tasteful and couldn't be considered fanservice. And that's not to say that tasteful nudity can't be appealing or arousing, it's about valuing healthy human sexuality and not dehumanizing the character to a piece of pussy or dick. If the camera is being pervy, in service of nothing else, I consider that distasteful. |
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flannan said: So much obvious hypocrisy in this thread. The author of GoT could have easily written his story without any sex scenes and nudity. All of them are in the story strictly for fan service. To give the story the desired "mature" and "brutal" feel. Just look at all the stories that aren't full of sexuality. Take a story, any story, and you can easily remove a large portion of the content from it because "they strictly didn't need that scene". Makes throwing the term "fanservice" around completely pointless if you're going to go to such ridiculous lengths to call it that, though. But no, including sexual scenes, whorehouses and the like isn't fanservice, since they're fitting for the setting. The TV show embellishing the sex has absolutely nothing to do with what the author has written. |
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Pullman said: In anime it almost always feels like the sexual fanservice is dominating a show, if it's there. Simply don't let fanservice dominate a show if you don't like it. It's just a matter of perspective. Have you seen Panty Strike Witches? After a while, you just stop staring at their pants, and enjoy the show. Maz said: flannan said: So much obvious hypocrisy in this thread. The author of GoT could have easily written his story without any sex scenes and nudity. All of them are in the story strictly for fan service. To give the story the desired "mature" and "brutal" feel. Just look at all the stories that aren't full of sexuality. Take a story, any story, and you can easily remove a large portion of the content from it because "they strictly didn't need that scene". Makes throwing the term "fanservice" around completely pointless if you're going to go to such ridiculous lengths to call it that, though. But no, including sexual scenes, whorehouses and the like isn't fanservice, since they're fitting for the setting. The TV show embellishing the sex has absolutely nothing to do with what the author has written. Must I remind you that the setting is made by the author, not given by some outside force? Just as easily, the author could have written his story in a more sanitized setting. Fanservice is an integral part of many modes of entertainment. People who keep criticizing it are wrong. |
flannan said: Pullman said: In anime it almost always feels like the sexual fanservice is dominating a show, if it's there. Simply don't let fanservice dominate a show if you don't like it. It's just a matter of perspective. Have you seen Panty Strike Witches? After a while, you just stop staring at their pants, and enjoy the show. Maz said: Take a story, any story, and you can easily remove a large portion of the content from it because "they strictly didn't need that scene". Makes throwing the term "fanservice" around completely pointless if you're going to go to such ridiculous lengths to call it that, though. But no, including sexual scenes, whorehouses and the like isn't fanservice, since they're fitting for the setting. The TV show embellishing the sex has absolutely nothing to do with what the author has written. Must I remind you that the setting is made by the author, not given by some outside force? Just as easily, the author could have written his story in a more sanitized setting. Fanservice is an integral part of many modes of entertainment. People who keep criticizing it are wrong. Must I remind you that sex and nudity aren't automatically fanservice? The terms aren't synonymous. |
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flannan said: Pullman said: In anime it almost always feels like the sexual fanservice is dominating a show, if it's there. Simply don't let fanservice dominate a show if you don't like it. It's just a matter of perspective. Have you seen Panty Strike Witches? After a while, you just stop staring at their pants, and enjoy the show. Well at first cigarettes and alcohol and most drugs taste or feel like shit but if you force yourself to stick to them you'll grow accustomed to the taste and effects until it eventually doesn't bother you anymore or you even like it. But that doesn't mean I'd proclaim forcing yourself to smoke or take drugs as the ideal solution. In general I'd tell people to avoid them if they don't like them. And personally I'd rather not force myself to watch stuff that gives me the feeling of actively destroying my brain cells. In any case I'm afraid in this particular case my aversion is too strong to ever get used to it. I'd rather never watch anime anymore if stuff like Strike Witches was my only option left. Luckily I've managed to watch thousands of anime while avoiding that kind of show for the most part so I'm not gonna start forcing myself to watch stuff I hate now. But thanks for the suggestion. |
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Maz said: flannan said: Simply don't let fanservice dominate a show if you don't like it. It's just a matter of perspective. Have you seen Panty Strike Witches? After a while, you just stop staring at their pants, and enjoy the show. Must I remind you that the setting is made by the author, not given by some outside force? Just as easily, the author could have written his story in a more sanitized setting. Fanservice is an integral part of many modes of entertainment. People who keep criticizing it are wrong. Must I remind you that sex and nudity aren't automatically fanservice? The terms aren't synonymous. IRL, sex and nudity aren't automatically fanservice. In any work of fiction, they are. Unless the author had some even more perverse motivation like "fan disservice". I know that not all fanservice is sex and nudity, though. Pullman said: flannan said: Simply don't let fanservice dominate a show if you don't like it. It's just a matter of perspective. Have you seen Panty Strike Witches? After a while, you just stop staring at their pants, and enjoy the show. Well at first cigarettes and alcohol and most drugs taste or feel like shit but if you force yourself to stick to them you'll grow accustomed to the taste and effects until it eventually doesn't bother you anymore or you even like it. But that doesn't mean I'd proclaim forcing yourself to smoke or take drugs as the ideal solution. In general I'd tell people to avoid them if they don't like them. And personally I'd rather not force myself to watch stuff that gives me the feeling of actively destroying my brain cells. In any case I'm afraid in this particular case my aversion is too strong to ever get used to it. I'd rather never watch anime anymore if stuff like Strike Witches was my only option left. Luckily I've managed to watch thousands of anime while avoiding that kind of show for the most part so I'm not gonna start forcing myself to watch stuff I hate now. But thanks for the suggestion. Well, if you don't like fanservice, I would not make you watch Strike Witches. They are, however, a very good example, so I keep using them as one. |
flannan said: IRL, sex and nudity aren't automatically fanservice. In any work of fiction, they are. Unless the author had some even more perverse motivation like "fan disservice". I know that not all fanservice is sex and nudity, though. And why is that, precisely? Because they aren't strictly required for the plot? What about times when they are? Not to mention that, as already stated, if fanservice is "stuff that isn't 100% required for the plot" then that completely devalues the term because fucking everything is fanservice at that point. Or is this yet another case where you're throwing around terms without knowing or caring what they actually mean? |
It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
Maz said: flannan said: IRL, sex and nudity aren't automatically fanservice. In any work of fiction, they are. Unless the author had some even more perverse motivation like "fan disservice". I know that not all fanservice is sex and nudity, though. And why is that, precisely? Because they aren't strictly required for the plot? What about times when they are? Not to mention that, as already stated, if fanservice is "stuff that isn't 100% required for the plot" then that completely devalues the term because fucking everything is fanservice at that point. Or is this yet another case where you're throwing around terms without knowing or caring what they actually mean? There are no cases where nudity and sex are actually required by the plot. Sex can happen off-screen just fine. Not that humans need to breed with sex in the first place. Stork works just fine. Remember, the author has complete control over the setting. No plot-important things need to happen in the rare moments when modern humans are naked. Seduction works just fine with just a sexy pose and a few sweet words. Have you never seen such "sanitized" shows? Why are they added? because the author and the viewers want them. That's fanservice. Unless the show sets out to explore sexuality as its main topic. In which case it's called erotica/pornography. |
| I personally don't care for it weather it's real or animated. |
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