| I agree with many points, to me Steins;Gate and Fmab are also on the overrated list, but on the other hand I can truly understand why they're up there so high. And it's not just those overhyped anime that are up there: Mushishi, Rainbow, Monster, Uchuu Kyoudai for example get the recognition they deserve. In other words, I think it's a fair list. A mix of more casual (or let's say more accessible) anime and more less hyped anime. |
| there are still cult hits like Cowboy Bebop and Eva but Anohana, SnS, Psycho-Pass, SnK, and NGNL (the latter two are actually the best ones of the group) are pretty much the most overrated anime of our time it's whatever the majority of viewers decide although Shirobako, Shinsekai Yori, and [possibly] Barakamon are on a different level from Shigatsu and Erased |
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| Why do you give a crap about the ratings of other people anyway? |
| Majority of MAL's population are young audiences, can't blame them since they represent the modern generation of anime viewers. |
| @arilando sure MAL's top and score suxx, lots of people know that, and I definitely agree that the anime community should be more open-minded toward older anime (and gets out of its comfort zone). But I have to say that your list surprised me quite a bit. No offense but if someone wants to make a rant against tasteless casuals, I wouldn't except him/her to give a 8 to NGNL / Another, Mirai Nikki / Kanon a 9, and Code Geass a 10. Kuma said: it's not MAL system fault. it's the viewer fault for some reason older shows has more criticaly viewer. when newer series is watched by many. older series only watched by people who already seen many series and most of them has "criticaly" ratings. well... poor older shows. MAL could rate differently, though. I didn't read the rest of the thread in order to avoid "EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE" anime fans (or equivalent), I'm not in the mood today. |
paraze said: the problem is what it suggested is based in user, which is unfair to the vote system as @_Ghost_ saying because it make some user will have different weight.Kuma said: it's not MAL system fault. it's the viewer fault for some reason older shows has more criticaly viewer. when newer series is watched by many. older series only watched by people who already seen many series and most of them has "criticaly" ratings. well... poor older shows. MAL could rate differently, though. I didn't read the rest of the thread in order to avoid "EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE" anime fans (or equivalent), I'm not in the mood today. i think rather than change the user side, it's change the the ranking system (the way final ranking decided) is much more better with different name. like what other ranking site do. |
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arilando said: 3. The people here have some kind of unjustified bias against older anime. I've seen some fools on this and various other anime forums say they won't watch anime from before 2010 (or some other arbitrary date) because old anime is ugly, low definition, slow paced, badly animated or some other bullshit excuse. I'm very sorry but most old anime, while watching online, is low-res. Older anime have also tendency to be quite a bit less clear and in my opinion worse in animation than newer shows. (Computers nowadays can handle much more eye-candy). Animation isn't making a shit show great but can be the difference between a 8 or a 9. I think that the bias is real and is justified. |
Horan_Sriue said: arilando said: 3. The people here have some kind of unjustified bias against older anime. I've seen some fools on this and various other anime forums say they won't watch anime from before 2010 (or some other arbitrary date) because old anime is ugly, low definition, slow paced, badly animated or some other bullshit excuse. I'm very sorry but most old anime, while watching online, is low-res. Older anime have also tendency to be quite a bit less clear and in my opinion worse in animation than newer shows. (Computers nowadays can handle much more eye-candy). Animation isn't making a shit show great but can be the difference between a 8 or a 9. I think that the bias is real and is justified. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1495429&show=50#msg45351813 |
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Pullman said: Horan_Sriue said: I'm very sorry but most old anime, while watching online, is low-res. Older anime have also tendency to be quite a bit less clear and in my opinion worse in animation than newer shows. (Computers nowadays can handle much more eye-candy). Animation isn't making a shit show great but can be the difference between a 8 or a 9. I think that the bias is real and is justified. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1495429&show=50#msg45351813 Thanks for the information (Sorry for missing your reply) |
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>people actually believe OP addioo12 said: see, the ratings on MAL don't reach from "I Hate" to "I like" but from "Apalling" to " Masterpiece" Tell that to the entire userbase. However, I don't like the rest of your argument at all. It almost completely nullifies the aforementioned if we look at a good 95% of MAL Reviews. If you judge a show based on the technical stuff, like the directing, the cinematic storytelling, the way exposition is handled and the point is brought across to the viewers, the amount of depth given to the characters and the plot or how well the show did within it's genre, you can judge objectively. That's what professional film-critics do for a living, and because they judge objectively, they mostly end up with just about the same result. No, that's just an excuse for "only my opinion matters." You can't judge objectively, your own perceptions get into the way and it is only you that determines these things. If you wanted to judge objectively, you'd be talking about the basics without any bias at all. Including a bias for all that matter is subjective to the core. Quality is one thing, quality isn't an arbitrary concept. And it's not about liking the reviews, but about looking up if the show is worth watching. That's what reviews are for,so you don't end up disappointed for watching a shitty mess that you thought would be a great way to spend four hours of your life on. Reviews are for people to broadcast their opinions, not to talk about the show, but to talk about how they perceived the show. It's also one thing to show self-restraint by simply not watching shows you know will be shit through and through. And impulsiveness is an anime fan's worst vice on average. They're entirely subjective and only objective if they just simply talk about what is there free of bias. Letting people write reviews and stuff like that strengthens the community and brings more traffic to the site, thus more money through ads. It would be economically unadvisable for MAL to change the review-system, but yeah, from the viewpoint of someone who only wants to watch good stuff,having a few professionals do the reviews would be nice. Actually, while this is correct, holds somewhat problematic. If it "strengthens" the community then how exactly can people delve into discussions without having a complete and total acceptance for opposing views? People who claim to be "open-minded" and willing to debate others often fall into the trap of resorting to dismissive practices. They believe that the pursuit of intellectualism should only be restricted to themselves and their own view, and that alternative opinion outside this part of the anime/reviewing community should be shot down and broken down. In these cliques, the elitist ones, it's their tribalistic thoughts that matter that keeps anime fans, ironically in the majority, believe it or not, from being welcomed for thinking the way they want to. You're all for free speech and free expression, correct? I don't think you are, my friend. As Milo Yiannopolous once said... These people do not believe in the free open exchange of ideas. They do not believe in intellectual inquiry, in full open frank discussion of ideas,” he said. “They don't believe in the basis of classical liberalism, which is one of the founding principles of our civilization. This 100% sums up the "reviewing" community and the amount of bias that it contains itself. Why is ERASED's top review a 4 then? Is that recency bias? You completely contradicted yourself in this entire argument. Nowadays, newer anime are being torn to bits because it's "hip" to do so. Older anime get more favorable discourse because people don't dissent on them, you on the other hand, fall into that same crusty old elitist stereotype and outright refuse to see other opinions to your own. Think of yourself as "tolerant?" I think not. If anything, you're a solipsist, and a bad one. Please bait harder. paraze said: @arilando sure MAL's top and score suxx, lots of people know that, and I definitely agree that the anime community should be more open-minded toward older anime (and gets out of its comfort zone). But I have to say that your list surprised me quite a bit. No offense but if someone wants to make a rant against tasteless casuals, I wouldn't except him/her to give a 8 to NGNL / Another, Mirai Nikki / Kanon a 9, and Code Geass a 10. Kuma said: it's not MAL system fault. it's the viewer fault for some reason older shows has more criticaly viewer. when newer series is watched by many. older series only watched by people who already seen many series and most of them has "criticaly" ratings. well... poor older shows. MAL could rate differently, though. I didn't read the rest of the thread in order to avoid "EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE" anime fans (or equivalent), I'm not in the mood today. Translates to: "Every opinion that doesn't align with mine represents stupidity. And don't debate me because I'm not in the mood. Waah Waah." Get off your high horse. Solipsism at its finest as well. |
arilando said: The people here have some kind of unjustified bias against older anime. I've seen some fools on this and various other anime forums say they won't watch anime from before 2010 (or some other arbitrary date) because old anime is ugly, low definition, slow paced, badly animated or some other bullshit excuse. It's because a large number of MAL users are students. Young people generally have an aversion to things they think of as "old". I myself enjoy anime from the 80's and 90's because I was alive back then and I connect with that era. People born in the late 90's or beyond do not. Users who are still in high school or college aren't very likely to be impressed with old shows created with obsolete technology when there's plenty of more modern fare to choose from. When I was that age I had zero interest in my grandmother's old black and white TV programs when I could change the channel and be watching something more interesting in color. That's the way older anime is often viewed by the new generation. It's just the way of the world. |
AnnaSartinMar 30, 2016 5:30 AM
| whoopi duh.. Wannabe elitist trying to tell other ppl they are filthy casuals coz they rate anime higher than him. Seems this community never gets tired of his daily dose of talking about tastes and the ratings. Its like those kids dont have other hobbies than carrying about others taste or how they rate anime XY. Weabs. :-P |
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paraze said: @arilando sure MAL's top and score suxx, lots of people know that, and I definitely agree that the anime community should be more open-minded toward older anime (and gets out of its comfort zone). But I have to say that your list surprised me quite a bit. No offense but if someone wants to make a rant against tasteless casuals, I wouldn't except him/her to give a 8 to NGNL / Another, Mirai Nikki / Kanon a 9, and Code Geass a 10. I understand the other anime (but i won't write a defense of them, because i don't want to make this thread about specific shows), but how exactly is Kanon a casual show? It strikes more as the kind of show the typical casual would hate. |
Sapewloth said: Not even trying to be subtle anymore with your baits, are you, OP? What do you mean with that? How do any of my posts constitute bait? A post being controversial doesn't make it bait. |
| Where's the downvote button on MAL. I should be able to downvote this post. |
| Another thread of "Not everyone likes my favorite Chinese cartoons so you all have shit taste". Keep the good times rolling. |
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| Instead of a recency bias if would rather call it the "fan bias". Only a small number of people watch anime subbed which reduces the diversity in opinion. Add to that the fact that most people don't watch it on a weekly basis but rather binge it some time later and you get a score mostly consisting of users that are already fans of the source material or very interested in the animes respective genre at least. Therefore they're (at least a bit) biased towards the anime. The longer an anime is out the more people who are neutral about it watch it and therefore the score is often adjusted in time until it reaches a score the majortiy agrees upon leading to a lower ranking for the anime at some point later on. Another problem is the accessibility of older anime that are not well known franchises which reduces the amount of people that can watch it and because of that said anime have a limited possibility go get a higher ranking. |
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arilando said: considering that the anime i have rated 8 run from position 30-71 on my completed list ranked by score (the position of those two anime on MAL being 54 and 95 respectively). Have you considered that you may be the one that's "wrong", and thus underrating shows? |
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1. I'm definitely not a casual, but I do pretty much rate things extremely high if I really like them. What's the point of holding back your score if you enjoyed the series? 2-3. I used to hate older anime, aside from the ones that aired on tv when I was little. But when you're running out of good anime to watch nowadays, you kinda want to watch the old ones and check out why they got so popular in the olden (lol) times. |
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AnnaSartin said: arilando said: The people here have some kind of unjustified bias against older anime. I've seen some fools on this and various other anime forums say they won't watch anime from before 2010 (or some other arbitrary date) because old anime is ugly, low definition, slow paced, badly animated or some other bullshit excuse. It's because a large number of MAL users are students. Young people generally have an aversion to things they think of as "old". I myself enjoy anime from the 80's and 90's because I was alive back then and I connect with that era. People born in the late 90's or beyond do not. Users who are still in high school or college aren't very likely to be impressed with old shows created with obsolete technology when there's plenty of more modern fare to choose from. When I was that age I had zero interest in my grandmother's old black and white TV programs when I could change the channel and watching something more interesting in color. That's the way older anime is often viewed by the new generation. It's just the way of the world. This person gets it, why is this such a hard thing to believe? As more time passes by, more of the older anime will continue to be push back to the side until they're forever forgotten. Not all, but most. 10-30 years from now there will be new cult classics anime. Most of the older generation cult classsics will be forgotten, simple because most fans of those series will be old and probably lose interest in anime all together. Plus the new cult classic fans didn't even watch those series because they were too old for them. Basically, the current anime will always dominate the list, while the older ones will slowly drift away in obscurity. It's like a old man dying, making way for a newly born child. That's just how it's. |
keragammingMar 30, 2016 3:31 AM
| I am quite a young person, but I've seen a fair amount of old anime Gunbuster comes to mind, but it's more about demographics rather than taste. Anime isn't nearly as popular as anime was back in the day, I speak it as common sense rather than experience, therefore the people who watched anime ''regularly'' is much higher than it was then, this means that the amount of anime watched by people who have just gotten into anime is higher. You also have to consider the fact, that we judge quality by comparison. Until you watch redline you cam't really compare animation quality that is up to a critic review. The more anime you watch the more your taste evolves and your scores theoretically should decrease, I'm just too lazy to change my scores now. You also have to consider that most of the weebs here aren't critics, they don't dissect shows or even write down their thoughts about a particular things, they rate based on feeling. |
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| All these people are trying to be considered and good guys. But I'm going to say something different. Op is actually hitting the nail head. I agree fully a 100%. Someone give this guy a medal, your not alone op. Of course no one is going to admit they are a filthy casuals, truth hurts. |
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| Not sure if OP is just trying to rustle some jimmies, but he gave Mirai Nikki a 9. You can't escape your destiny, OP. You're a filthy normie, just like the rest of us. |
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NateMKII said: The middle is the median, not necessary an average. The average is a 5.5.merryfistmas said: I think the biggest reason for this are the recent massively popular mainstream shows, SAO, AoT, and OPM. These shows appeal to both fans of the medium and non viewers. I have several friends who had no interest in anime but got into it with one of these shows. This would mean a lot of people discovering the medium, some of whom might join MAL. If there is a graph that measures MALs users over time that would be very helpful. The majority of my friends who do watch anime have not seen anything before 2008 and most of the shows I've seen are from this time period as well. Newer fans watch newer anime. As for why they're rated higher, I believe your first theory is the most accurate. Most people rate with 7 being average. This isn't hard to see, go to the movies with your friends or family and ask them what they thought and what they'd rate it. Chances are, the way they talk about something they'd rate a 7 is the same way a lot of people on MAL would talk about something they rated a 5 or 6. I've never understood this. How do people think 7 is average, how is thinking that even possible. 5 is the middle, middle is average. |
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KuuhakuDesu said: addioo12 said: see, the ratings on MAL don't reach from "I Hate" to "I like" but from "Apalling" to " Masterpiece" If you judge a show based on the technical stuff, like the directing, the cinematic storytelling, the way exposition is handled and the point is brought across to the viewers, the amount of depth given to the characters and the plot or how well the show did within it's genre, you can judge objectively. That's what professional film-critics do for a living, and because they judge objectively, they mostly end up with just about the same result. And it's not about liking the reviews, but about looking up if the show is worth watching. That's what reviews are for,so you don't end up disappointed for watching a shitty mess that you thought would be a great way to spend four hours of your life on. Letting people write reviews and stuff like that strengthens the community and brings more traffic to the site, thus more money through ads. It would be economically unadvisable for MAL to change the review-system, but yeah, from the viewpoint of someone who only wants to watch good stuff,having a few professionals do the reviews would be nice. Just bring the pros to MAL. Then we can all delete our accounts and spend or time doing anything else. If you look at the MAL review guidelines under "What is a review" you'll see that MAL is telling you to be as objective as possible, just like I did, so even people who do not share your opinion can take something away from it. Is it so difficult to just look up what a goddamn review is? If, for example, you watched to love-ru, and hated it for it's characters, you should include why you hated them. Are their personalities too one-dimensional (archetypes), is the cast unbalanced, do they act unreasonable or acoording to cliché? If you include some kind of logucal, objective reasoning, people can judge for themselves if the show is worth their time. That's why it should have objectivity at it's core. Wihtout that, it is just a RANT, not a review |
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addioo12 said: Are their personalities too one-dimensional (archetypes), is the cast unbalanced, do they act unreasonable or acoording to cliché? Still subjective. "Too" one-dimensional is a subjective opinion. Whether or not being one-dimensional is "bad" in a specific context is subjective as well. What does an "unbalanced cast" mean? Does it always signify "badness"? What if it is intentional? Many shows pride themselves on being unreasonable and play that for humor. What is painfully "cliche" to one person may be very enjoyable to another. Calling this "bad" is very subjective. |
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| lol whats wrong with Erased again? its bad because its too popular.. hipster dumbass.. no game no life is for 10 year old girls |
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theweaboopenguin said: - Bland characterslol whats wrong with Erased again? its bad because its too popular.. hipster dumbass.. no game no life is for 10 year old girls - Plot convenient time travel - Terrible villains/baddies - Terribly rushed ep 10-13 - Important stuff left unexplained And some more stuff. But hey, let's just pretend like Erased doesn't have flaws and everyone who hates it only does so because they are hipsters. |
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FloatingIdiot said: addioo12 said: Are their personalities too one-dimensional (archetypes), is the cast unbalanced, do they act unreasonable or acoording to cliché? Still subjective. "Too" one-dimensional is a subjective opinion. Whether or not being one-dimensional is "bad" in a specific context is subjective as well. What does an "unbalanced cast" mean? Does it always signify "badness"? What if it is intentional? Many shows pride themselves on being unreasonable and play that for humor. What is painfully "cliche" to one person may be very enjoyable to another. Calling this "bad" is very subjective. there are a lot of ways to interpret, of course, but again,as long as you explain WHY something is bad, it will help your readers, wether they end up agreeing with you or not. And again, I was just using this as an example for an individual person's reception of a series. There is no reason to put words in my mouth, FloatingIdiot. All I was saying, is that someone writing a review has to justify his opinion to the point where it is clear why he has that opinon. And no, I disagree with you, clichés are not subjective. There are clear trends in movie-making as well as in anime. For example, most anime about highschools for magic/superpowers feature comparable casts of characters, or even just archetypes: characters with just a few standard traits: a personality that is basically just copy&paste A cliché is an element of an artistic work which has become overused to the point of losing its original meaning or effect, simply because it works well and is an easy way out for the writers to not have to put in some actual work, especially when at some point it was considered to be revolutionary. Archetypes and clichés are easy ways out, and just about anyone can make a story based on those. Kids with no life experience or professional writing skills can make those. Hell, why don't we just give a f*cking oscar to every f*cking movie, because apparently,they all equally deserve it, since there is no way to judge what is better.... What divides good and bad, is indeed not a clear line, but there are several story-technical factors, like how symbolism and development in story and characters can clarify what the author was trying to convey, as well as wether it is meaningful. |
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juzeddi said: There certainly is a bias, but there's nothing that could really be done to fix it. If you care about the MAL rankings, you just have to analyze them and learn to read them. Newer shows get comparatively high scores, as do popular shows. Shows that cater to a niche audience (such as shounen ai series) get higher scores. Sequels get higher scores. Long shows get higher scores due to the 1/5 rule. You could think of MAL scores as a meter of hype and not quality, or a relevancy meter. When shows get older, less people will remember them and sing their praise, their scores will drop and newer shows come and take their places. The classics stay ever relevant and high on the list. I see shinsekai yori, I like....oh wait....MAL doesn't have a like-button...oh well |
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KuuhakuDesu said: addioo12 said: If you look at the MAL review guidelines under "What is a review" you'll see that MAL is telling you to be as objective as possible, just like I did, so even people who do not share your opinion can take something away from it. Is it so difficult to just look up what a goddamn review is? If, for example, you watched to love-ru, and hated it for it's characters, you should include why you hated them. Are their personalities too one-dimensional (archetypes), is the cast unbalanced, do they act unreasonable or acoording to cliché? If you include some kind of logucal, objective reasoning, people can judge for themselves if the show is worth their time. That's why it should have objectivity at it's core. Wihtout that, it is just a RANT, not a review So, why do we need that many people write reviews saying the same thing, using objective reasons to say why he liks or dislikes a certain character or anime? We just need one review, as objective as possible, that says all about the anime. Then everyone could just read this review and decide whether he/she will watch it. There's no need to subjective things like "I like" or "I don't like". Therefore, there's no need for many reviews from various different users that have the same ratings and the same arguments, only said in different words. Why do I care, anyways? It's not like a review will make me watch something or not. helping people with deciding wether or not to watch a show is one of the main purposes of reviews,in case you weren't aware. If you don't read them, that's cool. And no, they don't need to have the exact same arguments, they just need to be able to define their criticism as precise as possible. Some of the criticism will be opinionated criticism, based on likes and dislikes of the reviewer, and some will be entirely objective ( technical elements, story-telling elements, like cinematic storytelling, symbolism etc) As i said earlier, as long as there is some objectivity to your arguments, i can decide wether the show is worth watching, regardless of your opinion, since the objective elements tell me enough to decide this for myself. |
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addioo12 said: FloatingIdiot said: Still subjective. "Too" one-dimensional is a subjective opinion. Whether or not being one-dimensional is "bad" in a specific context is subjective as well. What does an "unbalanced cast" mean? Does it always signify "badness"? What if it is intentional? Many shows pride themselves on being unreasonable and play that for humor. What is painfully "cliche" to one person may be very enjoyable to another. Calling this "bad" is very subjective. And no, I disagree with you, clichés are not subjective. There are clear trends in movie-making as well as in anime. For example, most anime about highschools for magic/superpowers feature comparable casts of characters, or even just archetypes: characters with just a few standard traits: a personality that is basically just copy&paste A cliché is an element of an artistic work which has become overused to the point of losing its original meaning or effect, simply because it works well and is an easy way out for the writers to not have to put in some actual work, especially when at some point it was considered to be revolutionary. Archetypes and clichés are easy ways out, and just about anyone can make a story based on those. Kids with no life experience or professional writing skills can make those. Hell, why don't we just give a f*cking oscar to every f*cking movie, because apparently,they all equally deserve it, since there is no way to judge what is better.... How I hate reading this! Clichés are extremely subjective, you know. It's basically impossible to set a limit to what is cliché and what is not and it is mostly a source of dissimilar opinions. Almost every stories talk about Love/Death/Time. If an author wants to tackle one aspect more than another for example School setting rather than Arctic/Igloo setting then it doesn't matter because, in depth, the story would remain similar. So a story about Love/Death/Time. Beside that, it is extremely easy to spot some reused elements in a story no matter how skilled the writer is. And I don't think that you could identify them all and distinguish what is a cliché and what is not. |
Hrybami said: addioo12 said: And no, I disagree with you, clichés are not subjective. There are clear trends in movie-making as well as in anime. For example, most anime about highschools for magic/superpowers feature comparable casts of characters, or even just archetypes: characters with just a few standard traits: a personality that is basically just copy&paste A cliché is an element of an artistic work which has become overused to the point of losing its original meaning or effect, simply because it works well and is an easy way out for the writers to not have to put in some actual work, especially when at some point it was considered to be revolutionary. Archetypes and clichés are easy ways out, and just about anyone can make a story based on those. Kids with no life experience or professional writing skills can make those. Hell, why don't we just give a f*cking oscar to every f*cking movie, because apparently,they all equally deserve it, since there is no way to judge what is better.... How I hate reading this! Clichés are extremely subjective, you know. It's basically impossible to set a limit to what is cliché and what is not and it is mostly a source of dissimilar opinions. Almost every stories talk about Love/Death/Time. If an author wants to tackle one aspect more than another for example School setting rather than Arctic/Igloo setting then it doesn't matter because, in depth, the story would remain similar. So a story about Love/Death/Time. Beside that, it is extremely easy to spot some reused elements in a story no matter how skilled the writer is. And I don't think that you could identify them all and distinguish what is a cliché and what is not. apparently, people like interpreting all sorts of things into what I'm saying, just like in their standard-modeled series. You can say all you want, at the end of the day, what makes the difference is the aproach. And if the exact same kind of character is used again and again within the same genre and the same them it is a cliché. The first man who compared woman to a rose was a poet, the second, an imbecile There are reasons why the word cliché even needed to be defined. With experience xomes ability. If you have read enough high literature and know the canon, you will see these things more easily. Hah...the upsides of education |
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Snappynator said: theweaboopenguin said: - Bland characterslol whats wrong with Erased again? its bad because its too popular.. hipster dumbass.. no game no life is for 10 year old girls - Plot convenient time travel - Terrible villains/baddies - Terribly rushed ep 10-13 - Important stuff left unexplained And some more stuff. But hey, let's just pretend like Erased doesn't have flaws and everyone who hates it only does so because they are hipsters. those are all subjective u dumb idiot.. what important stuff was left out? |
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theweaboopenguin said: Snappynator said: - Bland characters - Plot convenient time travel - Terrible villains/baddies - Terribly rushed ep 10-13 - Important stuff left unexplained And some more stuff. But hey, let's just pretend like Erased doesn't have flaws and everyone who hates it only does so because they are hipsters. those are all subjective u dumb idiot.. what important stuff was left out? Aren't most of the reasons why people dislike anything subjective? Also, "plot convenient time travel" most certainly isn't subjective. |
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