CapitalistGod said: What do you think about them? Do you like it? dislike it? Do you think it's a good storytelling shtick? What are your favorites scenes or shows that shows this theme? Do you want to see more of this theme being used in the future? -- Me, I personally like the stories where there are other non- human entities with a different and somewhat malevolent nature(for example, they see humans as a source of nourishment etc.) and how those stories explore that particular idea. Good examples of this are Parasyte and Shiki(Tokyo Ghoul has potential but failed). My favorite scene that shows this is where: That made me hate and view the humans of Shiki as the real antagonists. LOL How the hell can you say that? The vampires took control over the entire village and they killed people there. You wanted them (the villagers) to let the vampires do as they pleased? Would you let them? The doctor was smart and did it right. I liked the scene of her death a lot. Also she was not a good person, she just acted normally, but she killed people like other vampires as well. They needed to do that to survive, but it doesn't mean others need to accept that and it doesn't mean the humans are bad for killing the vampires. I can't understand your reasoning here. |
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Kaetokiha said: CapitalistGod said: What do you think about them? Do you like it? dislike it? Do you think it's a good storytelling shtick? What are your favorites scenes or shows that shows this theme? Do you want to see more of this theme being used in the future? -- Me, I personally like the stories where there are other non- human entities with a different and somewhat malevolent nature(for example, they see humans as a source of nourishment etc.) and how those stories explore that particular idea. Good examples of this are Parasyte and Shiki(Tokyo Ghoul has potential but failed). My favorite scene that shows this is where: That made me hate and view the humans of Shiki as the real antagonists. LOL How the hell can you say that? The vampires took control of the entire village and they killed people there. You wanted them to let they do as they pleased? Would you let them? The doctor was smart and did right. I liked the scene of her death a lot. In reality, I'll feel the same(of course) but in that story after getting to know the Shiki and what they're trying to accomplish... I sympathized with them a lot. They're just like human beings with a different nature than the humans in the story. They just happen to have a nature that forces them to view humans as food to survive. Therefore, human morality is not applicable to them. I would ask you a counter question... What would you do if you're also a Shiki in this situation? |
CapitalistGod said: Kaetokiha said: LOL How the hell can you say that? The vampires took control of the entire village and they killed people there. You wanted them to let they do as they pleased? Would you let them? The doctor was smart and did right. I liked the scene of her death a lot. In reality, I'll feel the same(of course) but in that story after getting to know the Shiki and what they're trying to accomplish... I sympathized with them a lot. They're just like human beings with a different nature than the humans in the story. They just happen to have a nature that forces them to view humans as food to survive. Therefore, human morality is not applicable to them. I would ask you a counter question... What would you do if you're also a Shiki in this situation? Good point, i would do as anyone else would...kill to survive. But that is the same to everyone in that village, they needed to kill all the Shikis to survive. This is why i can't see them as bad and hate them for that. It may the case where no one is the culprit and all are victims of the circumstance, but in the end the Shikis are more likely to be seen as the villains since they were the ones who started killing people there. |
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| @Kaetokiha I can agree with that.... but how about this.. |
I agree with you here and the first post you quoted me. I disagree only with your very first post, because it seems like you put all the blame on the villagers. If the Shikis are not to be blamed for their circumstances (being vampires and all that), the villagers can't be blamed as well for killing them. |
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monfernova said: TheBrainintheJar said: That's a very weird reason to hate characters. Should all characters be perfect morla heroes so Monfernova won't hate them? That's too easy to write, and boring. Nah, not at all. But for some reason this particular set of characters really gets on my nerves. Edit: It has nothing to do with easy to write. They are written well, I acknowledge that. Editedit: I am looking at this from a subjective standpoint It's all subjective but we can still discuss it. I don't factor morality in how much I like characters. In fact, I want the authors to make me like a terrible person. Making a terrible person understandable is hard but fascinating. |
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monfernova said: TheBrainintheJar said: It's all subjective but we can still discuss it. I don't factor morality in how much I like characters. In fact, I want the authors to make me like a terrible person. Making a terrible person understandable is hard but fascinating. Yeah I see what you're saying, but even supposing they are understandable doesn't change my stance towards them. It's simply a part of my nature that no matter how they're presented, they make me frown and even at times upset at their actions. It's reasonable to call them terrible people, but not necessarily terrible characters. A character should be well-developed and interesting. Of course, a character can be so immoral and cruel it stops being interesting and just becomes unpleasant. |
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flannan said: monfernova said: Surprised at the lack of NGE All the humans in that show I hated because they were so damn human and had many faults Because they're human enough there. Only a few characters, like Gendo, Asuka and Seele, are pointlessly evil. Asuka is 'evil'? Really? Can you elaborate on that? She might not be very nice, but evil is pushing it... |
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Imaishi said: flannan said: Because they're human enough there. Only a few characters, like Gendo, Asuka and Seele, are pointlessly evil. Asuka is 'evil'? Really? Can you elaborate on that? She might not be very nice, but evil is pushing it... It's easy to excuse her, just like many other violent characters in anime. But in the end, she has a twisted personality and hurts other people for no reason, not even gaining anything from it. The magnitude of her actions is not as big as Gendo's, but did you ever see her trying to do something good? At her best, she fights to get her ability recognized and impress the boy she loves. |
monfernova said: TheBrainintheJar said: It's reasonable to call them terrible people, but not necessarily terrible characters. A character should be well-developed and interesting. Of course, a character can be so immoral and cruel it stops being interesting and just becomes unpleasant. Just pointing out right now that the post is literally about Humans and not characters, and I don't think any of my posts mentioned characterization. Sorry if I'm getting this wrong but I genuinely feel like you are presenting a point to me I never asked for or opened :/ Woops, you're right. I have no idea how we slipped. Honestly, I think BTOOOM! and Deadman Wonderland are what you're looking for. I disliked them, but then again I'm not into what you asked for. Hopefully you'll enjoy them. |
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| Parasyte is open to interpretation - one way you could interpret it is that humans are the "parasites" to the earth due to overpopulation, pollution, etc. |
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CapitalistGod said: Balong said: But when humans act "non-good" against non-humans, It's ok because those last "deserve" it, It's self-defence or It's eye on an eye for an eye, or some crap "moral" reasons. You can't even judge non humans with human morality. Several shows plays with this idea. Can you tell me which shows? I'm interested... |
GesuYarou said: DeathBorne said: Oh God What have you done. This is like a compilation of things I wish to unsee. I dare you to complete that movie. No,I double dare you... It's a real shame to see the kind of reputation Midori: Shoujo Tsubaki has developed in this community. In all honestly, the movie itself is not as graphic or grotesque as most viewers make it out to be. I've seen worse in more modern, detailed animated shows (that are even targeted for a younger audience, look at Attack on Titan!). And if we're talking about the themes, yes it may seem overwhelming, but no matter how sensitive and controversial the depictions may be, these are occurrences that happen in real life. Animations aren't just mean't to depict fantasy worlds that many of us can escape to. They are also a medium to promote awareness for social injustices that occur in every day life. There's a reason why age restrictions are placed on specific content. All of sudden this movie has become a "what's the most disgusting thing you can watch" challenge for 15 year olds that can't yet comprehend what is happening in the real world. As for the thread topic, Gantz was one of the first anime I've watched that seemed to invoke harsh reactions towards human beings. We are generally selfish by nature, but I feel a lot of it has been exaggerated. |
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Balong said: CapitalistGod said: You can't even judge non humans with human morality. Several shows plays with this idea. Can you tell me which shows? I'm interested... Shiki and the aforementioned Parasyte. |
Just started Parasyte and it's a little moronic in the whole 'huh, humanity is bad' thing. You can clearly see the creators are sure nature was a pleasant, beautiful place until humans came along. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Just started Parasyte and it's a little moronic in the whole 'huh, humanity is bad' thing. You can clearly see the creators are sure nature was a pleasant, beautiful place until humans came along. It does not really convey that. Though, it'll certainly look that way. >We have non human invaders who have an entirely different nature than us. It plays with this idea and its relation with human morality. |
CapitalistGod said: TheBrainintheJar said: Just started Parasyte and it's a little moronic in the whole 'huh, humanity is bad' thing. You can clearly see the creators are sure nature was a pleasant, beautiful place until humans came along. It does not really convey that. Though, it'll certainly look that way. >We have non human invaders who have an entirely different nature than us. It plays with this idea and its relation with human morality. Yeah, but the whole "Who are you to judge! You eat animals too!" as if we can communicate with animals like we can communicate with Migi. You can't sign a social contract with an organism that cannot read. |
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| "It would be wonderful if I could see the end of civilization during my lifetime." - Hayao Miyazaki I'm surprised nobody mentioned Miyazaki's movies yet, Mononoke Hime and Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa. Miyazaki can marvelously show the bad and the good, which is both presented in humans. Everybody has their motives, nothing is black and white, but still these two movies made me feel ashamed of human race and civilization. I think Miyazaki is disappointed in humanity, but he sees the vast potential hidden in humans and he's hoping for the better world once the current corrupted society ends. Our species could be the most amazing thing on the planet, but it's not, simply because of stupidity. It certainly would be interesting to see the end of civilization during our lives, but I'm pretty sure what would follow would be hell, not the magical world Miyazaki is hoping for. There definitely is potential in humans, but we don't live up to it. As a species, I consider us a failure. There's no happy end for human race. |
TheBrainintheJar said: CapitalistGod said: It does not really convey that. Though, it'll certainly look that way. >We have non human invaders who have an entirely different nature than us. It plays with this idea and its relation with human morality. Yeah, but the whole "Who are you to judge! You eat animals too!" as if we can communicate with animals like we can communicate with Migi. You can't sign a social contract with an organism that cannot read. Their nature is to eat humans though. That can't really be reasoned with. another instance of this is the Chimera Ant arc. |
StefanHere said: I completely agree, the author needs to be subtle about it.i think that when the lines it draws are too obvious it's bad writing |
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| Well, cross ange makes you hate humanity quite a lot they all be trash yo |
Yes, if you're referring with the Humans excluding the Normas. It's a bigoted society, for sure. But if you're talking about the whole cast of characters... then eh... I won't even discuss this here. |
CapitalistGod said: Yes, if you're referring with the Humans excluding the Normas. It's a bigoted society, for sure. But if you're talking about the whole cast of characters... then eh... I won't even discuss this here. i was referring to what the show calls humanity, so the normas are excluded |
| Never has an anime made me hate humanity more than Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso. Honestly, I’m surprised God has not whipped that town off the face of the earth. |
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ColdMist said: why did parasyte make you hate humans? But Shiki was good. I would say Elfen Lied and Ajin is going in that direction kind of. Eh... is a low point of humanity in that story. SuperKirei said: Never has an anime made me hate humanity more than Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso. Honestly, I’m surprised God has not whipped that town off the face of the earth. How so? I'm interested in this. |
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CapitalistGod said: ColdMist said: why did parasyte make you hate humans? But Shiki was good. I would say Elfen Lied and Ajin is going in that direction kind of. Eh... is a low point of humanity in that story. SuperKirei said: Never has an anime made me hate humanity more than Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso. Honestly, I’m surprised God has not whipped that town off the face of the earth. How so? I'm interested in this. Simply put, it’s your standard slice of life, with your main characters overcoming obstacles in order to become better people. They are like little Hitler’s. |
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SuperKirei said: Simply put, it’s your standard slice of life, with your main characters overcoming obstacles in order to become better people. They are like little Hitler’s. What? That doesn't make sense. lol. |
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Modest_Kuudere said: That was the so famous gore of Elfen Lied? I feel... dissapointed.Elfen Lied makes me pissed. Does anybody remember this scene? Not to mention all of the other fucked up torture they do to nearly every character on the fucking show. |
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Illyricus said: Modest_Kuudere said: That was the so famous gore of Elfen Lied? I feel... dissapointed.Elfen Lied makes me pissed. Does anybody remember this scene? Not to mention all of the other fucked up torture they do to nearly every character on the fucking show. That was just the tip of the iceberg there. I remember in the first 8 minutes of the first episode, its just bodies, parts, and blood flying everywhere. If you watch the full series, it's better in terms of gore compared to just that clip. |
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Illyricus said: Modest_Kuudere said: That was the so famous gore of Elfen Lied? I feel... dissapointed.Elfen Lied makes me pissed. Does anybody remember this scene? Not to mention all of the other fucked up torture they do to nearly every character on the fucking show. It's not the only one. But, it's all senseless gore. |
| Shiki. That one OVA where they was heartbreaking. I mean, i know they had to kill them to stay alive but holy shit they had no remorse at all. |
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CapitalistGod said: I know the series has more gore scenes, but that scene was underwhelming. She first turn the kid who grabbed her into tomato sauce and then everyone appears dead and mutilated with the room full of blood, and badly animated.Illyricus said: That was the so famous gore of Elfen Lied? I feel... dissapointed. It's not the only one. But, it's all senseless gore. |
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