| As of recently I started pondering to myself the term taste and it's overall meaning in the anime community. Normally taste is represented as how harshly you judge an anime, and the anime you liked, but I still can't trust myself that is the meaning. If this is the meaning of 'anime taste' why is it even a thing? Sure it's to distinguish the 'casuals' from the 'veterans' (I guess? I don't overall agree with this). But wouldn't taste be boiled down to preference and how you view things? Isn't your enjoyment, rating & critic of a series subjective? If so, why do people judge someone for subjective ratings and say "WOW YOU LIKE FMA:B, A SHOW I LIKE! YOU HAVE GOOD TASTE" Which pretty much makes fun of anyone that has a different opinion to them, deeming the shows they like, good, and anyone else who doesn't like them, dumb, in a sense. What is 'anime taste'? Why is 'anime taste' a thing? Why is it used? Edit: To add on, I don't care if you don't like a show that I like, just as long as you give me a justifiable, understandable opinion as to why you don't like it. You simply saying "It's just an opinion" doesn't mean shit to me. Entitlement to an opinion doesn't mean it's right. HolyBaptiser said: I just licked my box set of RahXephon and it tasted like bristol paper and the CD gave off a metallic taste. I think anime taste is something like paper and metal. Lock the thread. The answer was given. |
JkayWJan 16, 2016 5:51 PM
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| to use it ironically in order to make fun of people who use it seriously. |
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| They apparently eat Anime. Idk most of the people who tells me whether I have a bad taste in Anime, sound like critics. |
Gin-chan said: Anime - it's not something that can be thought of in a hall for conferences. It is made out of strange juices current from the brain of animators.  |
Clamor said: to ironically make fun of people who use it seriously. This. And also to say that anyone that doesn't have the same opinion as user RainyRai is trash. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
JkayW said: Isn't taste just what kind of anime you like? I like the taste of spicy food <=> I like the taste of mecha animeAs of recently I started pondering to myself the term taste and it's overall meaning in the anime community. Normally taste is represented as how harshly you judge an anime, and the anime you liked, but I still can't trust myself that is the meaning. I wouldn't say that how harshly you judge chinese cartoons is related to taste. JkayW said: That's a lot of ifs right there...If this is the meaning of 'anime taste' why is it even a thing? Sure it's to distinguish the 'casuals' from the 'veterans' (I guess? I don't overall agree with this). But wouldn't taste be boiled down to preference and how you view things? Isn't your enjoyment, rating & critic of a series subjective? If so, why do people judge someone for subjective ratings and say "WOW YOU LIKE FMA:B, A SHOW I LIKE! YOU HAVE GOOD TASTE" But well, the answer to the last question is "gotta keep tha circlejerk alive!" JkayW said: Huh ?_? No it doesn't. Which pretty much makes fun of anyone that has a different opinion to them, deeming the shows they like, good, and anyone else who doesn't like them, dumb, in a sense. JkayW said: Why not? I can't take the term very seriously, and i don't see why you do.What is 'anime taste'? Why is 'anime taste' a thing? Why is it used? JkayW said: Well, that's just like your opinion, man.Edit: To add on, I don't care if you don't like a show that I like, just as long as you give me a justifiable, understandable opinion as to why you don't like it. You simply saying "It's just an opinion" doesn't mean shit to me. Entitlement to an opinion doesn't mean it's right. |
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| Anime taste is like waifus, we use them to joke around but there are people who takes them way too seriously. |
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| Your 'taste' in anime (or literally anything that you can have an opinion on) is just a broad way of saying the things you like and the things you don't like. IE If you looked at someone's list and saw they had mostly similar anime to you, with similar ratings on everything, then you'd have a similar taste to said person. Taste can't be good or bad. |
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| What is 'anime taste'? There is only one good anime taste, mine. Why is 'anime taste' a thing? Because my taste is the best. Why is it used? You use my taste to judge wether you have a good or a bad one. |
| Anime taste ? The same as taste in everything else .Music ,movies books and so on . Well in the anime community things become a bit more......vicious . Anime is a pretty weird medium so discrepancies in taste are met with a lot more antagonism . Those who enjoy the more well-structured shows and more intellectual ones belong to the category of the Elitists (Yes it's a buzzword and yes this isn't the proper meaning but I think we can all agree that we have a pretty good idea of who an elitist is once we hear the term being used in a particular way) .Those who simply see anime as a medium for blind ,thoughtless entertainment however (e.g poor plebs like me who like SAO) are bestowed with the title of filthy casuals .Especially when we haven't seen a lot of anime . Apparently liking "good" shows like LOGH is a lot better than liking "shit" shows like SAO .Not a completely incomprehensible train of thought though .It's true that if you were to pick apart the flaws one would appear a lot better than the other but really as long as someone exists who enjoys the"shittier" one then there shouldn't be much of a cause to feel superiority due to one's "taste" . You see "good" shows are not very large in number .And so if you were to watch anime for enjoyment and you limited yourself to these "good" shows then you'll probably be falling short when compared to others in terms of enjoyment .I'll quote myself from another thread : EvilDragon16 said: as far as I'm concerned the more anime you can enjoy (even if it's trash) the better .Liking a hundred ''shitty'' shows and disliking one ''good'' one is better than liking one good one and disliking a hundred .In terms of enjoyment someone clearly comes out on top . That's pretty much it . Superior taste is meaningless . Shitty taste is meaningless . As long as you can enjoy anime your "taste" doesn't really matter . Good lord that was one hell of a shit post . Arse said: What is 'anime taste'? There is only one good anime taste, mine. Why is 'anime taste' a thing? Because my taste is the best. Why is it used? You use my taste to judge wether you have a good or a bad one. Now that's the right attitude .Don't justify your taste by saying that the shows are well-structured or whatnot .The simple fact that your taste is yours is enough to justify anything .Sasuga Arse . |
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| There is good taste and there is bad taste. Good taste is being able to explain and defend your own opinions. Taste has nothing to do with what shows you like as long as you can do that much. Bad taste is: -Hating NGE because the MC is a "pussy." -Dropping Shinsekai Yori on episode 8. -Having LotGH and/or Texhnolyze in your faves for being mature, without being able to explain what makes them "mature." -Hating Aku no Hana or Ping Pong because of its art. -Immediately calling something pretentious bacause you don't understand it. -Calling something philosophical and deep when you yourself don't understand it. -Not using the full rating scale. -Limiting your taste to one genre. -Blindly praising/bashing an anime because other people praise/bash said anime -Critically judging Kill la Kill and One Punch Man on "literary merits" while completely missing the point. -Hating a show because of its fanbase. -Refusing to admit the flaws of a show. -Hating a show because of its popularity. So basically, bad taste is liking/disliking a show for shallow reasons, and not being able to fully evaluate your opinions. |
| theres no such thing as taste honestly. its not even funny as a joke its just obnoxious. |
AltoRoark99 said: There is good taste and there is bad taste. Good taste is being able to explain and defend your own opinions. Taste has nothing to do with what shows you like as long as you can do that much. Bad taste is: -Hating NGE because the MC is a "pussy." -Dropping Shinsekai Yori on episode 8. -Having LotGH and/or Texhnolyze in your faves for being mature, without being able to explain what makes them "mature." -Hating Aku no Hana or Ping Pong because of its art. -Immediately calling something pretentious bacause you don't understand it. -Calling something philosophical and deep when you yourself don't understand it. -Not using the full rating scale. -Limiting your taste to one genre. -Blindly praising/bashing an anime because other people praise/bash said anime -Critically judging Kill la Kill and One Punch Man on "literary merits" while completely missing the point. -Hating a show because of its fanbase. -Refusing to admit the flaws of a show. -Hating a show because of its popularity. So basically, bad taste is liking/disliking a show for shallow reasons, and not being able to fully evaluate your opinions. I doubt this is the case since some people use 'taste' to bastardise others for not liking certain shows and your explanation seems more logical. But if this, how you explained, is taste, it is a very clear explanation and understandable explanation. Thank you for putting effort into it. Although Shinsekai Yori's men kiss scene did look really awkward and weird. I really don't blame people for dropping the show at that episode. The story lacked energy at that point. I still rated it an 7 though. The lesbian one felt more natural, because of the motorboat, showing that the MC isn't promiscuous.  |
JkayWJan 16, 2016 2:09 PM
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JkayW said: That's some good Yuri right there ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) What about me ?I said I was shitposting but I was actually serious (albeit slightly off topic) .Praise me too JKay. |
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AltoRoark99 said: I'll give you all of these except Aku no Hana, I mean comparing what we got to the manga its ugly.There is good taste and there is bad taste. Good taste is being able to explain and defend your own opinions. Taste has nothing to do with what shows you like as long as you can do that much. Bad taste is: -Hating NGE because the MC is a "pussy." -Dropping Shinsekai Yori on episode 8. -Having LotGH and/or Texhnolyze in your faves for being mature, without being able to explain what makes them "mature." -Hating Aku no Hana or Ping Pong because of its art. -Immediately calling something pretentious bacause you don't understand it. -Calling something philosophical and deep when you yourself don't understand it. -Not using the full rating scale. -Limiting your taste to one genre. -Blindly praising/bashing an anime because other people praise/bash said anime -Critically judging Kill la Kill and One Punch Man on "literary merits" while completely missing the point. -Hating a show because of its fanbase. -Refusing to admit the flaws of a show. -Hating a show because of its popularity. So basically, bad taste is liking/disliking a show for shallow reasons, and not being able to fully evaluate your opinions. |
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EvilDragon16 said: JkayW said: That's some good Yuri right there ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) What about me ?I said I was shitposting but I was actually serious (albeit slightly off topic) .Praise me too JKay. But shit-posting ironically is still shit-posting :(. You explained it well though. I deem taste meaningless and a joke after listening to this threads opinions on it. Except for that guy before. |
JkayWJan 16, 2016 2:19 PM
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| Taste doesn't just apply to anime, it applies to all entertainment mediums. There is movie taste, video game taste, art taste etc. It is a why used to categorize others into groups where people share similar feelings towards certain pieces of entertainment. I don't understand why people single out anime taste as the only kind of taste there is out there. |
AltoRoark99 said: There is good taste and there is bad taste. Good taste is being able to explain and defend your own opinions. Taste has nothing to do with what shows you like as long as you can do that much. Bad taste is: -Hating NGE because the MC is a "pussy." -Dropping Shinsekai Yori on episode 8. -Having LotGH and/or Texhnolyze in your faves for being mature, without being able to explain what makes them "mature." -Hating Aku no Hana or Ping Pong because of its art. -Immediately calling something pretentious bacause you don't understand it. -Calling something philosophical and deep when you yourself don't understand it. -Not using the full rating scale. -Limiting your taste to one genre. -Blindly praising/bashing an anime because other people praise/bash said anime -Critically judging Kill la Kill and One Punch Man on "literary merits" while completely missing the point. -Hating a show because of its fanbase. -Refusing to admit the flaws of a show. -Hating a show because of its popularity. So basically, bad taste is liking/disliking a show for shallow reasons, and not being able to fully evaluate your opinions. I wouldn't argue those things fall under 'taste.' as much as the reasoning used to explain why people like certain shows. I believe that people who do what you stated above are idiots though. |
PoeticJustice said: Taste doesn't just apply to anime, it applies to all entertainment mediums. There is movie taste, video game taste, art taste etc. It is a why used to categorize others into groups where people share similar feelings towards certain pieces of entertainment. I don't understand why people single out anime taste as the only kind of taste there is out there. I specify anime because it's the main point of the anime discussion board. Sorry if you got the wrong idea. (Note: What I said isn't sarcasm, it may sound like it though.) |
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AltoRoark99 said: There is good taste and there is bad taste. Good taste is being able to explain and defend your own opinions. Taste has nothing to do with what shows you like as long as you can do that much. Bad taste is: -Hating NGE because the MC is a "pussy." -Dropping Shinsekai Yori on episode 8. -Having LotGH and/or Texhnolyze in your faves for being mature, without being able to explain what makes them "mature." -Hating Aku no Hana or Ping Pong because of its art. -Immediately calling something pretentious bacause you don't understand it. -Calling something philosophical and deep when you yourself don't understand it. -Not using the full rating scale. -Limiting your taste to one genre. -Blindly praising/bashing an anime because other people praise/bash said anime -Critically judging Kill la Kill and One Punch Man on "literary merits" while completely missing the point. -Hating a show because of its fanbase. -Refusing to admit the flaws of a show. -Hating a show because of its popularity. So basically, bad taste is liking/disliking a show for shallow reasons, and not being able to fully evaluate your opinions. God damn it every point you've mentioned is on point ( No pun Intended ) But I feel like the poster wanted to know "what is anime taste" rather than" how can we know what is a good taste or bad taste" but regardless your answer was great |
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JkayW said: PoeticJustice said: Taste doesn't just apply to anime, it applies to all entertainment mediums. There is movie taste, video game taste, art taste etc. It is a why used to categorize others into groups where people share similar feelings towards certain pieces of entertainment. I don't understand why people single out anime taste as the only kind of taste there is out there. I specify anime because it's the main point of the anime discussion board. Sorry if you got the wrong idea. (Note: What I said isn't sarcasm, it may sound like it though.) Oh my bad. Well, it is just a way of organizing people who have similar and dissimilar taste or judgment in anime than yourself. And taste does exist lol anyone that says otherwise is insecure. |
| People use "taste" ironically so much it becomes hard to distinguish it from serious usage. Or you can see it's ironic, but the irony is poisonous and you just want to take a step back. AltoRoark99 said: Bad taste is: Disliking anime because of art is something acceptable because anime is a visual medium. If people don't like what they see, they aren't going to blacken the feed and just watch subtitles with anime audio. I think people who don't want to watch Ping Pong are missing out on a lot, but I understand them - it's not the anime they know. The same holds true for people who aren't used to watching old anime. It's a pity if smaller resolutions and different artstyle prevented them from watching a show that would otherwise be in their favorites - at the very least, I'm glad some anime shows get a second adaptation, and who knows, maybe some will even get a third in the next decade. Beyond that, you're right. You're asking for what a person really thinks about a show. If they can't explain what they like or dislike, then they're at the same level of a person who watched facebook screenshots and AMVs alone. They're in for the hype and no more. Major123 said: I'll give you all of these except Aku no Hana, I mean comparing what we got to the manga its ugly. Aku no Hana was really ugly it felt like a live action with a filter that destroys eyes, noses and mouths like leprosy. At the end, I would sum taste as: If you can have a conversation about a series, you probably have taste. Because you love something enough to discuss it, which means you're immersed in even the smaller details and you think that talking about it with somebody else might lead to new conclusions or expand upon your understanding of that anime's setting and plot. |
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MoonJump said: You can have a conversation about things you don't love.At the end, I would sum taste as: If you can have a conversation about a series, you probably have taste. Because you love something enough to discuss it, which means you're immersed in even the smaller details and you think that talking about it with somebody else might lead to new conclusions or expand upon your understanding of that anime's setting and plot. The only way to not have taste is to (dis)like everything by the same amount. |
Laniaka said: You can have a conversation about things you don't love. The only way to not have taste is to (dis)like everything by the same amount. Exactly so! I met a couple of people who asked me if I watched episode this-and-that of certain anime shows, but they couldn't recall even a single thing. It was impossible to have a conversation with them. It's as if they didn't watch anything. |
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MoonJump said: Disliking anime because of art is something acceptable because anime is a visual medium. If people don't like what they see, they aren't going to blacken the feed and just watch subtitles with anime audio. I think people who don't want to watch Ping Pong are missing out on a lot, but I understand them - it's not the anime they know. The same holds true for people who aren't used to watching old anime. It's a pity if smaller resolutions and different artstyle prevented them from watching a show that would otherwise be in their favorites - at the very least, I'm glad some anime shows get a second adaptation, and who knows, maybe some will even get a third in the next decade. That I agree with. But in the case of Aku no Hana, it isn't very justified. The backgrounds are beautiful. The direction is magnificent. Even the manga author loves the show. |
| IMO, Bad aste is when you love/ give ten out of ten to an anime just for how just made you feel, not analyzing it carefuly and reflecting of how good or bad the story, characterization are... Yoou can have a good taste only by watching Naruto, and know exatc what are the good points, if you kow its flaws, and you are honest about it, and you can be a pleb even if you watch Evangelion n you doesnt really dig deep to know its themes and what was its message. |
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AltoRoark99 said: MoonJump said: Disliking anime because of art is something acceptable because anime is a visual medium. If people don't like what they see, they aren't going to blacken the feed and just watch subtitles with anime audio. I think people who don't want to watch Ping Pong are missing out on a lot, but I understand them - it's not the anime they know. The same holds true for people who aren't used to watching old anime. It's a pity if smaller resolutions and different artstyle prevented them from watching a show that would otherwise be in their favorites - at the very least, I'm glad some anime shows get a second adaptation, and who knows, maybe some will even get a third in the next decade. That I agree with. But in the case of Aku no Hana, it isn't very justified. The backgrounds are beautiful. The direction is magnificent. Even the manga author loves the show. Are you trolling ???????????????????????? |
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Sidartha1 said: IMO, Bad aste is when you love/ give ten out of ten to an anime just for how just made you feel, not analyzing it carefuly and reflecting of how good or bad the story, characterization... That's just stupid though. Anime doesn't exist for you to rate it objectively and looking at every single aspect of it, anime exist for entertainment (or well...that is how it goes for most people). If a show entertained you alot, I don't see the issue in giving it a 10. |
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| Everyone has a different point of view. People see and interprete things differently. Therefore we will get different opinion from a series from different people. Good and bad taste isn't a thing, but having a certain standard is a thing. |
EvilDragon16 said: AltoRoark99 said: That I agree with. But in the case of Aku no Hana, it isn't very justified. The backgrounds are beautiful. The direction is magnificent. Even the manga author loves the show. Are you trolling ???????????????????????? People tend to forget what the artstyle is supposed to do. It is supposed to highlight the ugliness of the characters. It is supposed to be creepy and unsettling. The characters in aku no hana looked to attractive in the manga and that is why aku no hana the anime is better. |
| I do not understand why we have to define terms specifically for the anime community. These terms are all encompassing and span across all mediums and should general have consistent application across everything. Taste should mean the same thing no matter if you are talking about anime, manga, or books. Taste specifically refers to the internal logic, preferences, ideals, and other such relativistic motivations that allows someone to understand what they like and what they do not. We use taste as a broad term, but its deeper implication is that everyone has some reason, at some level, why they enjoy something, and we employ the term taste on a comparative level because we wish to understand why people enjoy X, why people enjoy Y, and why there is sometimes no common ground in between. Taste is incredibly important, and active understanding of your own tastes and the tastes of others is a critical and important exercise to broaden your mind and better understand both what you like and why others might like something you do not like. The reason why this is important is two fold. The first reason is understanding your own tastes allows you to better choose and enjoy the best sort of books or anime that you want to enjoy. The second reason is understanding why other people like something allows you to maybe internalize those reasons and choose for yourself whether you embrace that kind of taste or reject it. People who write off taste are fooling themselves. Tastes exists whether you call it "taste" or not. |
PoeticJustice said: People tend to forget what the artstyle is supposed to do. It is supposed to highlight the ugliness of the characters. It is supposed to be creepy and unsettling. The characters in aku no hana looked to attractive in the manga and that is why aku no hana the anime is better. Creepy and unsettling it is, but only because of the lack of detail. No shadows, no texture..the motion capture animation..? the occasional mole doesn't turn them into "ugly humans", but instead into just "ugly shapes". It makes most, "the heck is this?", rather than, "so disgusting yet good". Worthy of the ironic "AOTY" title in the eyes of many. Backgrounds are nice, but they don't complement the characters at all. Ping Pong, on the other hand, simplifies its artistic techniques, sacrifices conventional shading for unsteady, rough lines and shifts the weight into creating human-like characters through drawing only, using fluid and detailed animation to bring excitement to every second of a ping pong match. It made me think, "I never thought such a sport could seem so amazing" - and I sure hope others think so as well. You can feel the effort put into the making of this show much more powerfully, and alternatively, see where the artist felt like they could cut on detail, like color and background in the Smile vs. Peco scene. You can really feel why it was drawn that way, and how it makes this show so much better than what would otherwise be a shallow sports anime. Of course, I'm more than biased, but I hope that I did manage to shine some light on the subject of how a person can perceive something as "artistic". |
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MoonJump said: As a brief aside, I believe the point of the backgrounds in Aku no Hana was not to "complement" with the characters but instead to "contrast" with them. Settings, characters, and art in general do not have to be complementary. They can clash, even violently, to form very stark contrasts that serve to illuminate something about the characters. I agree that there was a lack of detail in the characters themselves, but I think that also highlights some of the mundane elements, the baseness, and the almost sort of raw intense feel that Aku no Hana wants to exude with its atmosphere.Creepy and unsettling it is, but only because of the lack of detail. No shadows, no texture..the motion capture animation..? the occasional mole doesn't turn them into "ugly humans", but instead into just "ugly shapes". It makes most, "the heck is this?", rather than, "so disgusting yet good". Worthy of the ironic "AOTY" title in the eyes of many. Backgrounds are nice, but they don't complement the characters at all. In that sense, I would argue it is artistic in that sense. I myself could never get over the art and have many reservations about it, but I think it does serve a sort of aesthetic purpose. |
JkayW said: If this is the meaning of 'anime taste' why is it even a thing? Sure it's to distinguish the 'casuals' from the 'veterans' (I guess? I don't overall agree with this). But wouldn't taste be boiled down to preference and how you view things? Isn't your enjoyment, rating & critic of a series subjective? If so, why do people judge someone for subjective ratings and say "WOW YOU LIKE FMA:B, A SHOW I LIKE! YOU HAVE GOOD TASTE" Why should the fact that it's subjective affect people's desire to find others with like-minded taste? This is really no different from having a certain taste in music or movies or any other entertainment medium. |
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masterofgo said: I do not understand why we have to define terms specifically for the anime community. These terms are all encompassing and span across all mediums and should general have consistent application across everything. Taste should mean the same thing no matter if you are talking about anime, manga, or books. No one said you couldn't. JkayW said: I specify anime because it's the main point of the anime discussion board. Sorry if you got the wrong idea. (Note: What I said isn't sarcasm, it may sound like it though.) masterofgo said: Taste specifically refers to the internal logic, preferences, ideals, and other such relativistic motivations that allows someone to understand what they like and what they do not. We use taste as a broad term, but its deeper implication is that everyone has some reason, at some level, why they enjoy something, and we employ the term taste on a comparative level because we wish to understand why people enjoy X, why people enjoy Y, and why there is sometimes no common ground in between. Okay but I'm addressing why it's used in such a bad manner. masterofgo said: Taste is incredibly important, and active understanding of your own tastes and the tastes of others is a critical and important exercise to broaden your mind and better understand both what you like and why others might like something you do not like. That is understandable. masterofgo said: The reason why this is important is two fold. The first reason is understanding your own tastes allows you to better choose and enjoy the best sort of books or anime that you want to enjoy. The second reason is understanding why other people like something allows you to maybe internalize those reasons and choose for yourself whether you embrace that kind of taste or reject it. You explained differently than I thought. I believed it was something completely different. masterofgo said: People who write off taste are fooling themselves. Tastes exists whether you call it "taste" or not. I guess your implying me in which I respond with, I know it exists but I didn't want it to exist because of a preconceived notion on what I thought taste was. But I'll accept it now gladly even if people use it in a bad light IF HOWEVER THIS IS WHAT TASTE IS. |
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MiniSiets said: JkayW said: If this is the meaning of 'anime taste' why is it even a thing? Sure it's to distinguish the 'casuals' from the 'veterans' (I guess? I don't overall agree with this). But wouldn't taste be boiled down to preference and how you view things? Isn't your enjoyment, rating & critic of a series subjective? If so, why do people judge someone for subjective ratings and say "WOW YOU LIKE FMA:B, A SHOW I LIKE! YOU HAVE GOOD TASTE" Why should the fact that it's subjective affect people's desire to find others with like-minded taste? This is really no different from having a certain taste in music or movies or any other entertainment medium. Because you imply that whoever doesn't like what you like is worse than you. NO ONE SAID TASTE COULD ONLY BE APPLIED TO ANIME. Why do people keep saying the same shit I literally replied to. |
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JkayW said: You do not. Differences and even clashes in taste have nothing to do with whether one person is superior to another. One may argue that someone's taste is better, more refined, experienced, and well constructed than others, but that is different than saying that you as a human being are superior to another person as a human being.Because you imply that whoever doesn't like what you like is worse than you. |
AltoRoark99 said: Yeah, that's about it. I remember taking part in a similar thread where this was more or less the conclusion.There is good taste and there is bad taste. Good taste is being able to explain and defend your own opinions. Taste has nothing to do with what shows you like as long as you can do that much. Bad taste is: -Hating NGE because the MC is a "pussy." -Dropping Shinsekai Yori on episode 8. -Having LotGH and/or Texhnolyze in your faves for being mature, without being able to explain what makes them "mature." -Hating Aku no Hana or Ping Pong because of its art. -Immediately calling something pretentious bacause you don't understand it. -Calling something philosophical and deep when you yourself don't understand it. -Not using the full rating scale. -Limiting your taste to one genre. -Blindly praising/bashing an anime because other people praise/bash said anime -Critically judging Kill la Kill and One Punch Man on "literary merits" while completely missing the point. -Hating a show because of its fanbase. -Refusing to admit the flaws of a show. -Hating a show because of its popularity. So basically, bad taste is liking/disliking a show for shallow reasons, and not being able to fully evaluate your opinions. |
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masterofgo said: JkayW said: You do not. Differences and even clashes in taste have nothing to do with whether one person is superior to another. One may argue that someone's taste is better, more refined, experienced, and well constructed than others, but that is different than saying that you as a human being are superior to another person as a human being.Because you imply that whoever doesn't like what you like is worse than you. Okay but when you say to someone "I like x show as well, you must have good taste." does this mean they're using the word taste wrong? Thus implying that anyone that doesn't like the show somewhat worse at enjoying shows? I think so. |
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JkayW said: No. Taste is a relative term. It applies differently in certain contexts and you need to understand that context in order to properly acquaint yourself with why someone like a certain show means that they "must have good taste."Okay but when you say to someone "I like x show as well, you must have good taste." does this mean they're using the word taste wrong? Thus implying that anyone that doesn't like the show somewhat worse at enjoying shows? I think so. |
masterofgo said: JkayW said: No. Taste is a relative term. It applies differently in certain contexts and you need to understand that context in order to properly acquaint yourself with why someone like a certain show means that they "must have good taste."Okay but when you say to someone "I like x show as well, you must have good taste." does this mean they're using the word taste wrong? Thus implying that anyone that doesn't like the show somewhat worse at enjoying shows? I think so. Acquaint with the context? K is literally stating that good taste means if you like an anime he likes (FMA:B) it will show you that you have good taste. What is fine about that? |
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| Saying someone has shit taste is just another roundabout way of saying I don't agree with you. The implicit assumption here is the "IMO" qualifier. Just because I don't say "IMO" after every statement I make doesn't mean it can't be reasonably assumed that I'm referring to something that is a matter of opinion. I'm sure some people erroneously use the terminology to think they are talking about some kind of objective evaluation of taste, but that's their mistake. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
masterofgo said: I do not understand why we have to define terms specifically for the anime community. These terms are all encompassing and span across all mediums and should general have consistent application across everything. Taste should mean the same thing no matter if you are talking about anime, manga, or books. Taste specifically refers to the internal logic, preferences, ideals, and other such relativistic motivations that allows someone to understand what they like and what they do not. We use taste as a broad term, but its deeper implication is that everyone has some reason, at some level, why they enjoy something, and we employ the term taste on a comparative level because we wish to understand why people enjoy X, why people enjoy Y, and why there is sometimes no common ground in between. Taste is incredibly important, and active understanding of your own tastes and the tastes of others is a critical and important exercise to broaden your mind and better understand both what you like and why others might like something you do not like. The reason why this is important is two fold. The first reason is understanding your own tastes allows you to better choose and enjoy the best sort of books or anime that you want to enjoy. The second reason is understanding why other people like something allows you to maybe internalize those reasons and choose for yourself whether you embrace that kind of taste or reject it. People who write off taste are fooling themselves. Tastes exists whether you call it "taste" or not. Taste is a thing. Good and bad taste isn't a thing. Taste is basically your prefrence, what you as a individual considers to be good and bad. I don't think anyone is denying that. The good and bad taste argument is what a lot of people don't buy into, anime is a entertsinment medium that can be interpreted differently by each individuals. Not saying debate shouldn't be a thing. Why I said good/bad taste isn't a thing? Because everyone believes their taste is good. If a person dont believe in their opinion. Then they are basically sheeps that mindlessly follows what othet people like/dislike. |
keragammingJan 16, 2016 3:55 PM
AltoRoark99 said: Bad taste is: -Dropping Shinsekai Yori on episode 8. Thats also called being homophobic. |
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JkayW said: masterofgo said: You do not. Differences and even clashes in taste have nothing to do with whether one person is superior to another. One may argue that someone's taste is better, more refined, experienced, and well constructed than others, but that is different than saying that you as a human being are superior to another person as a human being. Okay but when you say to someone "I like x show as well, you must have good taste." does this mean they're using the word taste wrong? Thus implying that anyone that doesn't like the show somewhat worse at enjoying shows? I think so. Semantically, yes, they're using the word wrong. Taste cannot be categorised as 'good' or 'bad' because it doesn't fit the criteria. That's just a fact. The meaning they're trying to get across, though, is simply "Hey, you like the same shows as me. I like your taste because it is similar to mine, and therefore I consider your taste to be good because of this." Basically, their opinion of the taste is a good opinion, a positive one. Taste itself is completely interchangeable with 'preferences', 'choices' and the like. Think of it that way and use it the same way you would those, if you're still unsure as to what it means. |
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keragamming said: That makes zero sense. If you can attribute concepts of "good" and "bad" to anime and through understanding what anime you define as "good" and "bad," thus coming to an understanding of your own taste, what makes you think that it is impossible for you to evaluate other people's tastes based on your personal criteria, standards, and understand of what makes good taste?Taste is a thing. Good and bad taste isn't a thing. Taste is basically your prefrence, what you as a individual considers to be good and bad. I don't think anyone is denying that. The good and bad taste argument is what a lot of people don't buy into, anime is a entertsinment medium that can be interpreted differently by each individuals. keragamming said: Does everyone really believe their taste is good? That is untrue. I myself, still believe that I have a lot of refining on my taste palette to properly improve my taste over time. For instance, there are many things I cannot appreciate in music, in anime, and in the books that I read. Whether it be my lack of analytical abilities, my lack of comprehension abilities, or other deficient features, I can safely say that relative to certain people I respect, my taste is something that I want to still keep on improving.Not saying debate shouldn't be a thing. Why I said good/bad taste isn't a thing? Because everyone believes their taste is good. If a person dont believe in their opinion. Then they are basically sheeps that mindlessly follows what othet people like/dislike. If we reduce this argument to its most infinite extremes, we must argue that there is no such thing as good or bad anime. We must admit that relativism wins the day and that we should never talk in the terms "good" or "bad." What JkayW is saying with his argument is that if I say someone has good taste because he likes this anime, then I am making a judgment on those who do not consider that anime good. But that argument is predicated on the initial understanding that an anime is good or bad. Thus, if we go and say that an anime is good, we must, by the argument presented, also say that we are also placing an implied value judgment on those who do not find the anime to be good. MiniSiets said: There is no single consensus on "good" taste, but we do know that people change and work on their taste over the years. I will argue that it is silly to say anything other than that people always improve their taste over time, simply because we grow older, become more mature, learn more things, and become wiser and better at understanding what makes ourselves tick.Saying someone has shit taste is just another roundabout way of saying I don't agree with you. The implicit assumption here is the "IMO" qualifier. Just because I don't say "IMO" after every statement I make doesn't mean it can't be reasonably assumed that I'm referring to something that is a matter of opinion. I'm sure some people erroneously use the terminology to think they are talking about some kind of objective evaluation of taste, but that's their mistake. It would be silly to simply say that our taste just "changes." Change in and of itself means nothing. It just means that your taste changed. There is nothing meaningful. What is meaningful is the evaluation of that change. Is it good? Is it bad? Was the change a net neutral effect? These are all questions that are worth answering, even if they do not provide a sort of all encompassing conclusion. The reason is because any discussion of taste inherently correlates to very specific items that makes us tick as people. ItsMaz said: By this argument alone, we must also say that there is no such thing as good or bad anime. This is just an inconsistent applications of terminology. You cannot ascribe "good taste" the definition of good as some sort of objective truth but simultaneously ascribe "good anime" the definition of something that is individualized and personalized. Semantically, yes, they're using the word wrong. Taste cannot be categorised as 'good' or 'bad' because it doesn't fit the criteria. That's just a fact. The meaning they're trying to get across, though, is simply "Hey, you like the same shows as me. I like your taste because it is similar to mine, and therefore I consider your taste to be good because of this." Basically, their opinion of the taste is a good opinion, a positive one. Taste itself is completely interchangeable with 'preferences', 'choices' and the like. Think of it that way and use it the same way you would those, if you're still unsure as to what it means. |
masterofgoJan 16, 2016 4:10 PM
| Can we agree that a person who enjoyed Mars of Destruction(and not the "so bad, it is good" kind of enjoyment) has bad taste in anime? |
masterofgo said: ItsMaz said: By this argument alone, we must also say that there is no such thing as good or bad anime. This is just an inconsistent applications of terminology. You cannot ascribe "good taste" the definition of good as some sort of objective truth but simultaneously ascribe "good anime" the definition of something that is individualized and personalized. Semantically, yes, they're using the word wrong. Taste cannot be categorised as 'good' or 'bad' because it doesn't fit the criteria. That's just a fact. The meaning they're trying to get across, though, is simply "Hey, you like the same shows as me. I like your taste because it is similar to mine, and therefore I consider your taste to be good because of this." Basically, their opinion of the taste is a good opinion, a positive one. Taste itself is completely interchangeable with 'preferences', 'choices' and the like. Think of it that way and use it the same way you would those, if you're still unsure as to what it means. Technically yes, there is no such thing as good or bad anime. But I'm not pedantic enough to bother with that sort of argument. But that isn't relevant to taste anyway. Seeing as taste is merely one's preferences, likes, dislikes, and the sort, it makes perfect sense to say there is no such thing as good or bad taste. The only adjectives you can acribe to taste are those which don't inherently imply good or bad. Your taste in anime is similar to mine; your taste in anime is different to mine. You have a broad taste. You have an experienced taste. None of these refer to quality of taste. People might enforce their own opinions onto these words and value them differently - such as listening to those with a more experienced taste than someone with little experience - but that has nothing to do with said terms themselves. This is not the case for anime, though. Saying "anime cannot be good nor bad because taste cannot be good nor bad" makes no sense since they aren't related. There are many factors in anime that can be objectively judged as good or bad. The animation in One Punch Man is excellent, for example. It is far better than the standard. No one's taste is capable of being excellent, though. You might think of someone's taste as being excellent, but that's your own opinion being projected onto said taste. The taste itself cannot inherently be excellent. Where anime is concerned, we can establish a standard of quality for each facet and factor that makes them up, albeit arbitrary and fuzzy as they are. Anime X portrated Y theme better than Anime Z, for example. The same cannot be said for taste. "This guy's taste is a better example of taste than that guy's..." just doesn't make sense. Taste cannot be superior or inferior. |
MazJan 16, 2016 4:56 PM
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ItsMaz said: This is a non-sequitor. You have not demonstrated why preferences, likes, dislikes cannot be described as good or bad. You simply say that they cannot be. What is the reasoning for this? But that isn't relevant to taste anyway. Seeing as taste is merely one's preferences, likes, dislikes, and the sort, it makes perfect sense to say there is no such thing as good or bad taste. The only adjectives you can acribe to taste are those which don't inherently imply good or bad. Your taste in anime is similar to mine; your taste in anime is different to mine. You have a broad taste. You have an experienced taste. None of these refer to quality of taste. People might enforce their own opinions onto these words and value them differently - such as listening to those with a more experienced taste than someone with little experience - but that has nothing to do with said terms themselves. I would argue that preferences can be described as good or bad either from an individual context or from even a broader perspective. There is also nothing wrong with building a larger consensus or having more broad or generalized statement that have rare but understandable exceptions. In addition, why does experience and reasoning not play into the value of one's taste? It certainly does. If someone is more experienced, then their taste has a value that someone else's taste does not. If I ask someone who has played in professional orchestras, studied compositions from famous composers across all time periods, wrote compositions himself, and conducted orchestras, that person has an added value to their taste as opposed to someone who merely listens to the classical music radio on his or her way to work because the former is someone who lives and breaths classical music. That is a value judgment predicated on experience. If someone has intensely studied Osamu Tezuka's manga, has researched his life, read all of his major works, their derivatives, and the influences that made Tezuka into the person he is, then that person's taste with regards to Tezuka is almost certainly more well understood than someone who has only read one of Tezuka's manga. ItsMaz said: How are they not related? If your taste is, simply, a compendium of all the anime you find good or bad, then whether you find certain anime good or bad plays a direct role into your taste.This is not the case for anime, though. Saying "anime cannot be good nor bad because taste cannot be good nor bad" makes no sense since they aren't related. There are many factors in anime that can be objectively judged as good or bad. The animation in One Punch Man is excellent, for example. It is far better than the standard. ItsMaz said: This is self-contradictory. If I believe someone's taste is excellent, then that person's taste, to me is excellent, and thus I can ascribe that value to them. It does not matter whether that taste is inherently excellent or not. I do not understand why we must come to the conclusion that someone's taste is inherently good or bad. The fact that taste changes or improves over time suggests to us that there is nothing inherent that we can come to terms with, because it is always a shifting metric.No one's taste is capable of being excellent, though. You might think of someone's taste as being excellent, but that's your own opinion being projected onto said taste. The taste itself cannot inherently be excellent. |
| @madterofgo. I think you just can't grasp the truth that what you are saying about any anime or about taste is just your opinion. How you as a individual interprete a series. You don't like what I like? Then you have bad taste. That's pretty much the case, stop trying to overcomplicate it as anything else. Also lol @ improving your taste. You can't improve your taste, you only can broaden your taste or simple lose interest in something you use to like, while having a new interest into something else. Improving in taste implies that that what you usually like was actually bad, only if you think yourself that or make others influence you into thinking that these old interest was actually bad. Do you go around telling people that your taste has improve since you don't like your five year old cartoons anymore? People gain and lose interest into things all the time. There is no improvement at all. Only a change of interest. |
| This thread in all honesty, the more I look at it, I just get more confused. Someone just help me understand what taste is, in simple terms. |
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