SolidusSmoke said: It's hilarious. Undertale fanboys will fight tooth and nail to to defend it and won't even acknowledge it's shortcomings. And when someone does point out it's flaws you get upset and take it personally. What's hilarious is you, and others such as yourself, aren't pointing out anything other then the obvious superficial details and coming to wild conclusions without ever taking into account anything else. No one in this thread has said Undertale was perfect, that was your own assumptions made by assimilating the opinions of others. The flaws and shortcomings aren't as grave in contrast to how impressive the narrative and script was handled. Most of the shortcomings that Undertale suffers from, and addressed by @PantsuPillow, are ones I agree with; but they aren't glaring issues unique to Undertale. Many RPG's suffer from repetitiveness and lack of execution. However unlike many RPG's Undertale was crowd funded, designed, written, and executed by one man. Comparing the development status of his game to another whose backed by a large corporation is apples and oranges; it's nonsensical and you should feel silly for doing so. Pointing out flaws is one thing and it's something I'd actually like to see happen as it prompts discussion. Pointing out why you don't like X so Y must be the objective result is retarded. https://youtu.be/nNmNqnJcRCI?t=35m12s "Unfunny isn't a word, it's like saying something is unmusic." Your subjective input is just that, subjective. Please learn the difference people. Given that many people don't know the difference aren't you a but stupid for letting something as a fanbase, the ignorant masses, sway you on an opinion? As far as Undertale being overrated goes the only ones over exaggerating are the rabid fanboys and girls; whom aren't even that big or visible to being with when you hold them up to larger and more irritable fanbases. |
LordLagannJan 7, 2016 3:08 PM
LordLagann said: yes pls learn the difference between opinion and fact so we can discuss opinions which are subjective and don't matterYour subjective input is just that, subjective. Please learn the difference people. the problem isn't that Overtale is over rated or the fanbase is cancerous. Well maybe that is a problem. The real problem is Overtale fans thinking they can change the opinions of people who have well grounded reasons to hate the game, even if Overtale fans cannot accept them. I don't think anyone has ever said "this game is legitimately worse than hitler. I would rather participate in WW3 than play Undertale" but fans seem to hear those words whenever someone says "lol Undertale". |
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| Undertale is getting the most acclaim from the people who are preaching that it's overrated. |
Thrashinuva said: le "I don't see it so it's not happening" fallacyUndertale is getting the most acclaim from the people who are preaching that it's overrated. |
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Syrup- said: Thrashinuva said: le "I don't see it so it's not happening" fallacyUndertale is getting the most acclaim from the people who are preaching that it's overrated. Most =/= all. The fans hyped it up to begin with but they stayed in their corners. Nowadays all I see is complaints about how great everyone thinks it is. |
Syrup- said: the problem isn't that Overtale is over rated or the fanbase is cancerous. Well maybe that is a problem. The real problem is Overtale fans thinking they can change the opinions of people who have well grounded reasons to hate the game, even if Overtale fans cannot accept them. I don't think anyone has ever said "this game is legitimately worse than hitler. I would rather participate in WW3 than play Undertale" but fans seem to hear those words whenever someone says "lol Undertale". Is that what's happening? Undertale fans going around make threads on why Undertale is the best game of all time? No. I see just as many people bagging on it from silly to moronic reasons then people bragging for equally trivial reasons. Either way both are similarity small voices. FYI - Monetary value that directly fund a games development and outcome isn't subjective. Neither is the man hours spent or the games programming. |
SolidusSmoke said: Sometimes a fanbase can actually drive you away from something you thought about purchasing. To this day, I have never played a Call of Duty game. Or they can bring you to something wonderful. Final Fantasy ftw Its a mixed bag, generally Pretty much any popular game series is guaranteed to have a toxic fanbase, Final Fantasy being a prime example. |
ExampleZ said: SolidusSmoke said: Sometimes a fanbase can actually drive you away from something you thought about purchasing. To this day, I have never played a Call of Duty game. Or they can bring you to something wonderful. Final Fantasy ftw Its a mixed bag, generally Pretty much any popular game series is guaranteed to have a toxic fanbase, Final Fantasy being a prime example. Yep, FF can be toxic as fuck too. "Yo, FF 7 is the best." "NAHHH YOU HAVENT PLAYED 6" "WTF WAS 13" etc. I'm actually pretty okay with Undertale's fanbase. Sure it's hyped as fuck, but it's a good game. I'm not going to take away credit from it just because there's people calling it the second coming of gaming and shit. |
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Ragix said: ExampleZ said: Pretty much any popular game series is guaranteed to have a toxic fanbase, Final Fantasy being a prime example. Yep, FF can be toxic as fuck too. "Yo, FF 7 is the best." "NAHHH YOU HAVENT PLAYED 6" "WTF WAS 13" etc. And it's sad because you can't even say FF7 is your favorite without being put on the same level as retards who are only pretending to like a game they never played. Granted I haven't played every game in the series, but out of the ones I've played 7 is the one I liked the most, and I'm judging each game on their own respective merits. I'm actually pretty okay with Undertale's fanbase. Sure it's hyped as fuck, but it's a good game. I'm not going to take away credit from it just because there's people calling it the second coming of gaming and shit. I feel the same way about Chrono Trigger. |
LordLagann said: You're right. They're not making threads. That doesn't mean they're not present. Posts make up most of the content of a forum and recently shitposting on the topic of Undertale, even when the topic was never about Undertale in the first place, has been insane since the game came out. If any of you guys browsed anything but MAL you would realize this. I don't see how you couldn't notice it unless you're trolling, blind, or actually not reading.Is that what's happening? Undertale fans going around make threads on why Undertale is the best game of all time? No. And yes, the people posting about Undertale are just as fucking bad. I don't derail threads with Undertale, I merely shit on the people who mention it in the first place. It wouldn't be this way if the entire internet weren't buzzing about it right now and making it annoying. It's similar to Star Wars 7. edit: if you still don't understand what I mean, I'm talking about in any subject that might seem even slightly related to Undertale, people will bring it up. That's the annoying part. I don't remember a fandom this bad since CoD. |
Syrup-Jan 7, 2016 6:58 PM
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Syrup- said: if you still don't understand what I mean, I'm talking about in any subject that might seem even slightly related to Undertale, people will bring it up. That's the annoying part. I don't remember a fandom this bad since CoD. The problem is you're only selectively seeing Undertale. A post can mention 10 different games, but if it also mentions Undertale, then it's just another Undertale fan absolutely raving about the game, then someone argues about it and it becomes a whole discussion. There are fans of the game. There are people who like the game. There are people who mention the game. And then there are the people who can't let it go that anyone likes the game, and those people are why we are here discussing it. |
Syrup- said: You're right. They're not making threads. That doesn't mean they're not present. Posts make up most of the content of a forum and recently shitposting on the topic of Undertale, even when the topic was never about Undertale in the first place, has been insane since the game came out. If any of you guys browsed anything but MAL you would realize this. I don't see how you couldn't notice it unless you're trolling, blind, or actually not reading. And yes, the people posting about Undertale are just as fucking bad. I don't derail threads with Undertale, I merely shit on the people who mention it in the first place. It wouldn't be this way if the entire internet weren't buzzing about it right now and making it annoying. It's similar to Star Wars 7. edit: if you still don't understand what I mean, I'm talking about in any subject that might seem even slightly related to Undertale, people will bring it up. That's the annoying part. I don't remember a fandom this bad since CoD. I think you're confused. Just because something is present doesn't mean it's over hyped. If something being discussed is legitimately relatable then what's the problem bringing up Undertale. It's a popular game among casual gamers to die hard ones and for good reason. I don't know what forums or websites you're looking at but I have yet to see the floodwaters break out into anything serious to be considered or overrated. If anything I would say it's pretty even down the line. You have your over zealous fans bragging about how awesome it is and your skeptical pessimist with arm badges playing hype police. There will always be fans that either hate or love whatever game, anime, or TV series with a passion; and they don't constitute the majority. Also the first CoD game was indeed a great FPS game when it was released. It wasn't until the endless and subsequent sequels when die hard fans just simply refused to admit it had fallen from grace. The only thing Undertale and CoD have in common are that they are both games. Maybe you're problem is you're paying too much attention to random idiots on forums. Take a breather and go watch some OPM. |
Syrup- said: LordLagann said: You're right. They're not making threads. That doesn't mean they're not present. Posts make up most of the content of a forum and recently shitposting on the topic of Undertale, even when the topic was never about Undertale in the first place, has been insane since the game came out. If any of you guys browsed anything but MAL you would realize this. I don't see how you couldn't notice it unless you're trolling, blind, or actually not reading.Is that what's happening? Undertale fans going around make threads on why Undertale is the best game of all time? No. And yes, the people posting about Undertale are just as fucking bad. I don't derail threads with Undertale, I merely shit on the people who mention it in the first place. It wouldn't be this way if the entire internet weren't buzzing about it right now and making it annoying. It's similar to Star Wars 7. edit: if you still don't understand what I mean, I'm talking about in any subject that might seem even slightly related to Undertale, people will bring it up. That's the annoying part. I don't remember a fandom this bad since CoD. Sounds like you just need a break from the internet! |
| Any more baiting that happens here is going to warrant a ban and or warning. Cleaned this thread somewhat |
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SolidusSmoke said: The artstyle is intentional though. It's a straight up copy of Earthbound's wonky aesthetic artstyle. Whether it's good or not is up to an entirely different debate though.If something isn't good, say it was intentional! It works every time batman! SolidusSmoke said: There's visual novels that are so much better than Persona 4's VN portion and RPG gameplay that is so much better than Persona 4's RPG gameplay, so why does it get praised a lot? Why do you like it? Simple, because it combines those aspects into a single working entity with mechanics that relate to each other in a very fluid manner. My point still stands. There's yet to be a game that has mixed bullet hell, turn-based RPG, and emergent gameplay except for Undertale. It's unique and people find that kind of originality attractive in an industry that has been mellowed by triple AAA as of recent. This year wasn't exactly a great year for gaming either so it only furthered the popularity.Bullet hell gameplay? There are numerous other games that do it SO MUCH BETTER. |
PeenusWeenusCaimJan 8, 2016 3:19 AM
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Thrashinuva said: stop projecting.The problem is you're only selectively seeing Undertale |
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Syrup- said: Didn't you go through a similar experience when Waifu_Strangler said FFVI's soundtrack was generic?the problem isn't that Overtale is over rated or the fanbase is cancerous. Well maybe that is a problem. The real problem is Overtale fans thinking they can change the opinions of people who have well grounded reasons to hate the game, even if Overtale fans cannot accept them. I don't think anyone has ever said "this game is legitimately worse than hitler. I would rather participate in WW3 than play Undertale" but fans seem to hear those words whenever someone says "lol Undertale". |
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TR-8RCaim said: lmao I knew someone would try to bring that into this. I'll even spare you the generic "that's different!" comment. I'm not gonna try to explain myself further, since you guys already seem to struggle with the idea of a meme game.Didn't you go through a similar experience when Waifu_Strangler said FFVI's soundtrack was generic? |
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SolidusSmoke said: And before you come at me with the whole, "but you never played the game before rant"... I have. I bought it about a month ago, and it's vastly overhyped by it's player base. lol I don't see Undertale on your Steam account. Stop making shit up. Anyway, I'm really sad that Undertale is already suffering, because the game became way too big. Now everyone can say how overrated it is or make some dumb stuff up to make the look bad. It's like Minecraft all over again (except that the Undertale fanbase isn't as toxic as Minecraft's yet) |
AshitaNoJonasJan 8, 2016 8:05 AM
JewellTH said: And a gay calculator ofc.And it's got really good memes jokes and writing. Not to mention fish waifus, goat moms, skeletons, otaku dinosaurs and trash dads. It's because of these tumblr kids, just like with FNAF. |
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Syrup- said: Thrashinuva said: stop projecting.The problem is you're only selectively seeing Undertale What would your definition of projecting be? Because I don't think I understand that one either. |
Thrashinuva said: I read your entire post. You're just providing more proof that people bring Undertale into topics that are not even related. You want to say I only see Undertale? That's just shifting the blame to me for shitting on people who insist their game matters. Just because I only replied to Undertale does NOT mean I didn't read the entire thread. If you actually believe otherwise, then you are jumping to a very wrong conclusion.Syrup- said: stop projecting. What would your definition of projecting be? Because I don't think I understand that one either. If you guys don't want people shitting all over your beloved game, stop inserting it into every damn thread. This isn't rocket science. QED JonasTheJay said: you're either extremely new to the internet or this is a whole new meta of baitlol I don't see Undertale on your Steam account. Stop making shit up. |
Syrup-Jan 8, 2016 2:47 PM
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Syrup- said: That's just shifting the blame to me for shitting on people who insist their game matters. to me for shitting on people who insist their game matters. shitting on people And the fans are the problem? |
Thrashinuva said: are you new to the internet?And the fans are the problem? |
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Thrashinuva said: Syrup- said: That's just shifting the blame to me for shitting on people who insist their game matters. to me for shitting on people who insist their game matters. shitting on people And the fans are the problem? Shitting on people, huh? Whatever could be the problem with that? |
Syrup- said: Thrashinuva said: are you new to the internet?And the fans are the problem? Just started yesterday. |
| It's not a bad game by any means, but it's definitely praised too much. The game mechanics are not unique at all, the story is Disney level at best, and the characters are all well known archetypes. The lack of a quick travel option made some parts of the game really frustrating. On the other hand, the game has a lot of hidden depths and it's got good humor. Not sure why being 'meme-y' is such a bad thing, it's funny/cute and it's not over-the-top. The OST was great too. I guess the best way to sum up Undertale is "a game that takes common and well-known mechanics and tropes and deconstructs them to [appear] be unique". While I think the game is overrated, I don't get the harsh bashing either. I think it has to do something with the (in)famous fandom. Recently, a popular Youtuber shat on Undertale after the game's fandom called her out for having a negative opinion on the game. |
| @Homuranagi I don't recall any Disney title that dealt with mass murder, time travel, or god complex. Unless you mean each individual mechanic at it's core isn't new then I'd have to disagree. Never seen many RPS's give you this level of control as far as progress is concerned. |
| It's basically this generation's Cave story, except that Cave story actually had a well paced storyline and tight/satisfying gameplay. |
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SolidusSmokeJan 8, 2016 7:40 PM
| Maybe he didn't actually have anything to say and wanted other people to come to a conclusion for him. |
Syrup- said: JonasTheJay said: you're either extremely new to the internet or this is a whole new meta of baitlol I don't see Undertale on your Steam account. Stop making shit up. What do you think? 乁( ͠°‿ °)ㄏ |
| When I play a game I don't want to feel like the internet is leaking. Also it's 2016, who the fuck unironically likes memes |
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| Some really love their Indy games so much. I think it'll be another indy that'll be forgotten about in 2 years like most. |
JewellTH said: memes are like poop and fart jokes for adults. What that means is you can insert them anywhere for a cheap laugh and people will give you an unproportionate amount of credit for something that took very little skill, finesse, or time. It's simply "lol we said a thing". So not even a chuckle at the hacker ending, getting trolled and temmie, temmie, temmie, bob? Wow, what a buzzkill. |
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JewellTH said: Fair enough manSyrup- said: memes are like poop and fart jokes for adults. What that means is you can insert them anywhere for a cheap laugh and people will give you an unproportionate amount of credit for something that took very little skill, finesse, or time. It's simply "lol we said a thing". The hacker ending and the troll ending are funny if you don't have knowledge beforehand. The only meme thing about it is San's and Temmie's dialogues and they're just memes on their own. I never once said I wouldn't play this game or that I wouldn't suspend my prejudice to it if I do. If I laugh I'll post in this thread that I was wrong. I'm not someone who openly slams things this hard without having really good reasons to. That said I've practiced this same method of objectivity to anime in the past. Sometimes I'm surprised, but most of the time I come out with around the same judgement that I had been showing before. I feel like shit because I didn't have the time to play this game but now squandering my time away posting about why this fanbase is so shit probably has given me at least ONE play through's worth of time. I didn't expect my view on the game to be something so highly controversial. |
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| I'm currently about halfway through the game, playing along with a friend who has played Earthbound. She sees a lot of inspiration from that in it. The tutorial part of the game is done well, but the puzzles are mostly very simple later on. Many puzzle opportunities are openly skipped in favour of humoristic scenes, which occasionally do come unexpected and give us a good laugh. Straight-up dialogue in the game is generally less funny than the visual elements. There is also so little to assist or make a genocide (or even combat-heavy) run fun to play as to make it feel that it's not worth it. The bullet hell combat I generally enjoy, and they way each individual enemy is set up is pretty clever. Undertale is a good game. Its individual parts are accomplished better by some other games, but those each focus on those parts and have flaws of their own. What's most divisive is simply that its options for sparing enemies or fleeing combat, combined with characters that seem to symbolize several subcultures, make people champion it as a game about inclusion (which is good) in a sometimes altogether too rabid manner (which is bad). Undertale is simply a game that got embraced by people from parts of the internet that don't have the best reputation on other parts of the internet (not necessarily without good reason, but ultimately of no relevance to the game itself). Still though, it's thought-provoking, and it's playtime is well worth it in the end to me. |
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JewellTH said: Why is everyone hating on the comedy? The comedy is fucking amazing. I lmao while playing this game. And now, everyone's like "Consists of tumblr memes, that means it's shit" I mean, why does everything popular with comedy in it get hate? I personally went in blind and I heavily disliked the comedy, especially the chapters/stages with Papyrus+Sans and Metatron. I honestly don't saw anything funny in them and was rolling my eyes at how unfunnily stupid the scenes with these characters were. It really surprised me to find out that people actually thought those were funny, which is kinda ironic since Borderlands 2 and The Pre Sequel is supposed to be filled with "memes" as well and I actually laughed with the humour there. |
Syrup- said: I didn't expect my view on the game to be something so highly controversial. Ha, it's only because when you say "This game is shit" it matters a lot more than if SolidusSmoke says "This game is shit". You're a mostly sensible person which is the only reason why I've argued so hard with you about it. |
GreenSoap said: The best indie game is still Cave Story. Undertale can go fuck itself, I don't give two shits about it. Cave story is nice, and is nicer than undertale but best indie game? That's a bit of a stretch. I would honestly say the best indie game is crimzon clover, just on how polished and visceral it is. |
| It annoys me that this game gets so much praise for it's "original" combat system, when other games have adopted it first. Right off the bat I can think of Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers. |
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