| Does anyone find it annoying manga readers drag down the experience of watching and discussing a new anime and then rate it down because it was different then the manga? Im becoming a manga reader but ill never cry cause the anime was not a clone or low rate a anime due to the fact its different . Its hard to enjoy a anime when the discussion on this site is elitist manga readers crying because it was changed |
| It's justified when they butcher the adaptation and give non source-readers the impression that the series is terrible. R+V as an anime is a very generic, average harem series - but the manga is so much more than that, for example. |
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ItsMaz said: It's justified when they butcher the adaptation and give non source-readers the impression that the series is terrible. R+V as an anime is a very generic, average harem series - but the manga is so much more than that, for example. or anime watchers like the anime like blue exorcist but the manga readers cry because it had fillers and was different then the manga . Hardly any anime will be a clone of the manga when people realize this and enjoy the anime for what it was. If the anime is good while diverting from the manga that is different then the anime being bad while diverting if that makes sense. |
| Well, obviously they have a pre- conceived idea of what to expect, and when the anime doesn't follow through with that, they get the shits. It's more than that, though. It's pretty common for adaptations to be done badly, whether it be bad pacing, leaving out important stuff, etc. |
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| Because the source material is almost always better than anime original content. Not to mention if it is an adaption, it should be following the source material. Why the fuck even make an adaption if you aren't going to follow faithfully? Just make an anime original from scratch... But manga adaptions aren't really that bad at all. LN/VN adaptions are the true horrors in terms of adaptions. |
Nymphias said: Well, obviously they have a pre- conceived idea of what to expect, and when the anime doesn't follow through with that, they get the shits. It's more than that, though. It's pretty common for adaptations to be done badly, whether it be bad pacing, leaving out important stuff, etc. its different when a anime is good while not following the manga 100%, compared to changing the story and making a general bad anime was blue exorcist a bad anime? not really it was a very average anime with humor,action,pretty good animation yet people cry for a reboot because they changed alot of it. did this make it a bad anime not really but they cry cause it was different and cant enjoy the anime for what it was |
| In my case, it's alright if they change a certain event or rushed the shit out of the adaptation but putting an anime original scenario while there's more source material that can be adapted is a no no for me (Looking at you AgK). |
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| Cry is not the right word, its pissed the fuck off. An adaption is retelling the story in another form, when you start removing and adding unnecessary stuff, it stop being what is was supposed to be. |
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hoopla123 said: Because the source material is almost always better than anime original content. Not to mention if it is an adaption, it should be following the source material. Why the fuck even make an adaption if you aren't going to follow faithfully? Just make an anime original from scratch... But manga adaptions aren't really that bad at all. LN/VN adaptions are the true horrors in terms of adaptions. If its a adaptation it follows the source material ... FOLLOWS not copys every single line. Manga readers cry over every single bit changed |
| I'll never forget the fuss some manga readers were making about Mikasa having lips. |
| 5 main aspects I base my ratings on: 1. Did DramaEnthusiast make a thread about it? 2. Is it better than Breaking Bad? 3. Did MellowJello recommend the shit out of it? 4. Has it caused a (very entertaining) shitstorm on MAL? 5. Is it actually good? Scratch the fifth point, it's not very relevant... |
KaiserBait said: Cry is not the right word, its pissed the fuck off. An adaption is retelling the story in another form, when you start removing and adding unnecessary stuff, it stop being what is was supposed to be. FreedChickens said: In my case, it's alright if they change a certain event or rushed the shit out of the adaptation but putting an anime original scenario while there's more source material that can be adapted is a no no for me (Looking at you AgK). well i watched blue exorcist and it was not a bad anime yet manga readers cry for a reboot... maybe people who create animes need to say BASED off ...... manga |
Calumz said: ItsMaz said: It's justified when they butcher the adaptation and give non source-readers the impression that the series is terrible. R+V as an anime is a very generic, average harem series - but the manga is so much more than that, for example. or anime watchers like the anime like blue exorcist but the manga readers cry because it had fillers and was different then the manga . Hardly any anime will be a clone of the manga when people realize this and enjoy the anime for what it was. If the anime is good while diverting from the manga that is different then the anime being bad while diverting if that makes sense. It doesn't have to be a clone though and I doubt most reasonable people expect it to. But when key elements, characters, events etc are changed or even completely omitted it can change the story entirely. At that point it isn't even an adaptation - it's just using the name of the source and having its way with it. There's no point in making an adaptation if it isn't actually adapting the source into an anime format. |
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Calumz said: hoopla123 said: Because the source material is almost always better than anime original content. Not to mention if it is an adaption, it should be following the source material. Why the fuck even make an adaption if you aren't going to follow faithfully? Just make an anime original from scratch... But manga adaptions aren't really that bad at all. LN/VN adaptions are the true horrors in terms of adaptions. If its a adaptation it follows the source material ... FOLLOWS not copys every single line. Manga readers cry over every single bit changed Give me an example where manga readers cry over the change of a LINE |
ItsMaz said: Calumz said: or anime watchers like the anime like blue exorcist but the manga readers cry because it had fillers and was different then the manga . Hardly any anime will be a clone of the manga when people realize this and enjoy the anime for what it was. If the anime is good while diverting from the manga that is different then the anime being bad while diverting if that makes sense. It doesn't have to be a clone though and I doubt most reasonable people expect it to. But when key elements, characters, events etc are changed or even completely omitted it can change the story entirely. At that point it isn't even an adaptation - it's just using the name of the source and having its way with it. There's no point in making an adaptation if it isn't actually adapting the source into an anime format. so you would prefer if they would say Based off ........... manga then adaptation |
hoopla123 said: Calumz said: If its a adaptation it follows the source material ... FOLLOWS not copys every single line. Manga readers cry over every single bit changed Give me an example where manga readers cry over the change of a LINE maybe that was a exaggeration but i bet it did happen ;p. Manga readers already have the manga yet what the anime to be exactly the same its just annoying when most comments and animes are rated down cause it was not the same as the manga instead of judging the anime without bias. |
| If people don't cry, shit like Tokyo Ghoul will be aired again. |
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Idiots_on_MAL said: If people don't cry, shit like Tokyo Ghoul will be aired again. and remind me how popular this anime is ? animes are always more popular then manga for international fans |
Calumz said: ItsMaz said: It doesn't have to be a clone though and I doubt most reasonable people expect it to. But when key elements, characters, events etc are changed or even completely omitted it can change the story entirely. At that point it isn't even an adaptation - it's just using the name of the source and having its way with it. There's no point in making an adaptation if it isn't actually adapting the source into an anime format. so you would prefer if they would say Based off ........... manga then adaptation Yes, because that's a more accurate term. Taking the characters and the setting and then changing what happens isn't adapting the source and thus shouldn't be called an adaptation. Also, to use your example of Blue Exorcist - the way the ending was rushed was terrible. I haven't read the source, but by about episode 20 I was thinking that it would be getting a second season. All the previous episodes were building up the story, the characters and their powers. Then suddenly it speeds ahead and the story concludes in the last two episodes. As someone who didn't read the source even I could tell how badly the ending was handled. THAT is why people get annoyed. |
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Calumz said: hoopla123 said: Give me an example where manga readers cry over the change of a LINE maybe that was a exaggeration but i bet it did happen ;p. Manga readers already have the manga yet what the anime to be exactly the same its just annoying when most comments and animes are rated down cause it was not the same as the manga instead of judging the anime without bias. Because they diverged from the source material. Whether it be specific dialogue, an ending or whatever, I don't see the point of studios making adaptions if they are not going to closely follow the source material in the first place. It does work a few times, but most of the times, it is just a straight out insult to the mangaka and the fanbase. |
ItsMaz said: Calumz said: so you would prefer if they would say Based off ........... manga then adaptation Yes, because that's a more accurate term. Taking the characters and the setting and then changing what happens isn't adapting the source and thus shouldn't be called an adaptation. Also, to use your example of Blue Exorcist - the way the ending was rushed was terrible. I haven't read the source, but by about episode 20 I was thinking that it would be getting a second season. All the previous episodes were building up the story, the characters and their powers. Then suddenly it speeds ahead and the story concludes in the last two episodes. As someone who didn't read the source even I could tell how badly the ending was handled. THAT is why people get annoyed. ItsMaz said: Calumz said: so you would prefer if they would say Based off ........... manga then adaptation Yes, because that's a more accurate term. Taking the characters and the setting and then changing what happens isn't adapting the source and thus shouldn't be called an adaptation. Also, to use your example of Blue Exorcist - the way the ending was rushed was terrible. I haven't read the source, but by about episode 20 I was thinking that it would be getting a second season. All the previous episodes were building up the story, the characters and their powers. Then suddenly it speeds ahead and the story concludes in the last two episodes. As someone who didn't read the source even I could tell how badly the ending was handled. THAT is why people get annoyed. i see and your right it did feel a bit rushed , im not saying its the best anime ever but by its self ignore the manga its a fine anime im just surprised manga readers want a reboot that much. This is my view having not read much mangas |
Calumz said: Idiots_on_MAL said: If people don't cry, shit like Tokyo Ghoul will be aired again. and remind me how popular this anime is ? animes are always more popular then manga for international fans This thread is not asking for the popularity of unfaithful adaptations buddy. |
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Calumz said: Idiots_on_MAL said: If people don't cry, shit like Tokyo Ghoul will be aired again. and remind me how popular this anime is ? animes are always more popular then manga for international fans Popularity =/= quality. Look at SAO. |
Calumz said: ItsMaz said: Yes, because that's a more accurate term. Taking the characters and the setting and then changing what happens isn't adapting the source and thus shouldn't be called an adaptation. Also, to use your example of Blue Exorcist - the way the ending was rushed was terrible. I haven't read the source, but by about episode 20 I was thinking that it would be getting a second season. All the previous episodes were building up the story, the characters and their powers. Then suddenly it speeds ahead and the story concludes in the last two episodes. As someone who didn't read the source even I could tell how badly the ending was handled. THAT is why people get annoyed. ItsMaz said: Yes, because that's a more accurate term. Taking the characters and the setting and then changing what happens isn't adapting the source and thus shouldn't be called an adaptation. Also, to use your example of Blue Exorcist - the way the ending was rushed was terrible. I haven't read the source, but by about episode 20 I was thinking that it would be getting a second season. All the previous episodes were building up the story, the characters and their powers. Then suddenly it speeds ahead and the story concludes in the last two episodes. As someone who didn't read the source even I could tell how badly the ending was handled. THAT is why people get annoyed. i see and your right it did feel a bit rushed , im not saying its the best anime ever but by its self ignore the manga its a fine anime im just surprised manga readers want a reboot that much. This is my view having not read much mangas Ignoring the people who cry about 1 line being changed and whatnot -so reasonable people - the only time I've seen a lot of source readers being loud and getting angry is when the 'adaptation' is very poorly done, either by having it changed completely (like Rosario + Vampire) or having an anime start airing before the source is even finished (Blue Exorcist, Elfen Lied, Akame ga Kill to name a few examples). |
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| I could never forgive what Pierrot did to Tokyo Ghoul. Do yourself a favor and read the manga people. hoopla123 said: Calumz said: and remind me how popular this anime is ? animes are always more popular then manga for international fans Popularity =/= quality. Look at SAO. This. |
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hoopla123 said: Calumz said: maybe that was a exaggeration but i bet it did happen ;p. Manga readers already have the manga yet what the anime to be exactly the same its just annoying when most comments and animes are rated down cause it was not the same as the manga instead of judging the anime without bias. Because they diverged from the source material. Whether it be specific dialogue, an ending or whatever, I don't see the point of studios making adaptions if they are not going to closely follow the source material in the first place. It does work a few times, but most of the times, it is just a straight out insult to the mangaka and the fanbase. Most of the time the anime catches up with the manga, and they have no choice but break away from the original or the mangaka does not get full independence with theid story due to studio writers pressing for changes (FMA). When the manga is complete, I think they do it to rope in the manga readers into watching the anime, as most people dont like to watch a story whose turnout they usually know. I dont read much manga but I have had plenty of such frustrating moments myself with books adapted into movies, the latest one being The Scorch Trials. |
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TheBroenheim said: hoopla123 said: Because they diverged from the source material. Whether it be specific dialogue, an ending or whatever, I don't see the point of studios making adaptions if they are not going to closely follow the source material in the first place. It does work a few times, but most of the times, it is just a straight out insult to the mangaka and the fanbase. Most of the time the anime catches up with the manga, and they have no choice but break away from the original or the mangaka does not get full independence with theid story due to studio writers pressing for changes (FMA). When the manga is complete, I think they do it to rope in the manga readers into watching the anime, as most people dont like to watch a story whose turnout they usually know. I dont read much manga but I have had plenty of such frustrating moments myself with books adapted into movies, the latest one being The Scorch Trials. I know the reason why they make original endings. Nevertheless, shitty anime original endings piss off any fan. They should just leave it as a cliffhanger and stay faithful to the source material so anime watchers can catch up reading the manga or wait for a second season. There are a few anime out there with good/decent anime original endings but I still stand by my point. |
| If you think the anime is bad, you rate it down, that's all there is to it And if someone thinks it's bad because it diverged from the source then just let them have their opinion. Pandora Hearts is a pretty good anime on its own (ignoring the crappy ending) but when you consider how brilliant the manga was, the anime was pretty terrible |
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| If it's just not exactly 100% the same then yeah there's no point in complaining because that's to be expected. It's when the drop in quality is so blatant that you just feel awkward watching it that it's justified, because then it literally is nothing but wasted potential |
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Calumz said: KaiserBait said: Cry is not the right word, its pissed the fuck off. An adaption is retelling the story in another form, when you start removing and adding unnecessary stuff, it stop being what is was supposed to be. FreedChickens said: In my case, it's alright if they change a certain event or rushed the shit out of the adaptation but putting an anime original scenario while there's more source material that can be adapted is a no no for me (Looking at you AgK). well i watched blue exorcist and it was not a bad anime yet manga readers cry for a reboot... maybe people who create animes need to say BASED off ...... manga Do you read the manga then? Do you know why they are pissed? |
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KaiserBait said: Calumz said: well i watched blue exorcist and it was not a bad anime yet manga readers cry for a reboot... maybe people who create animes need to say BASED off ...... manga Do you read the manga then? Do you know why they are pissed? no and thats why i enjoyed the anime alot more .. ;p now i understand the manga was not even finished and they changed fk loads apparently ItsMaz said: Calumz said: i see and your right it did feel a bit rushed , im not saying its the best anime ever but by its self ignore the manga its a fine anime im just surprised manga readers want a reboot that much. This is my view having not read much mangas Ignoring the people who cry about 1 line being changed and whatnot -so reasonable people - the only time I've seen a lot of source readers being loud and getting angry is when the 'adaptation' is very poorly done, either by having it changed completely (like Rosario + Vampire) or having an anime start airing before the source is even finished (Blue Exorcist, Elfen Lied, Akame ga Kill to name a few examples). i see and yeah i noticed the rush and fk job they did to Akame ga kill that was sad cause the anime could have been so much better |
| Well, thats just explains everything wrong with you. |
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KaiserBait said: Well, thats just explains everything wrong with you. not really i prefer to watch a anime first then the other way round |
hoopla123 said: TheBroenheim said: Most of the time the anime catches up with the manga, and they have no choice but break away from the original or the mangaka does not get full independence with theid story due to studio writers pressing for changes (FMA). When the manga is complete, I think they do it to rope in the manga readers into watching the anime, as most people dont like to watch a story whose turnout they usually know. I dont read much manga but I have had plenty of such frustrating moments myself with books adapted into movies, the latest one being The Scorch Trials. I know the reason why they make original endings. Nevertheless, shitty anime original endings piss off any fan. They should just leave it as a cliffhanger and stay faithful to the source material so anime watchers can catch up reading the manga or wait for a second season. There are a few anime out there with good/decent anime original endings but I still stand by my point. I'm not saying you're wrong, but completely faithful adaptations cannot be possible as long as there are people out there who think Tokyo Ghoul root A is good. And most of the time readers don't acknowledge the movie/anime ending because its not what they had been expecting as they have read the manga first and the new ending is just an insult to it. Wether it's good or not is not properly looked at. |
| You've done nothing but spout meaningless prattle. - Yukino Yukinoshita. |
| Does anyone find it annoying manga readers drag down the experience of watching and discussing a new anime and then rate it down because it was different then the manga? no >caring so much about how the manga readers rate >reading episode discussions >shiggy diggy daga shikashi sux btw |
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| They just feel the need to cry about it and think that others care about their cries. |
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dfsafsaf said: They just feel the need to cry about it and think that others care about their cries. You do realise right that a lot of people do care, and agree, with their 'cries'? |
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| idc if it's a clone or not, I mostly like anime originals too (else i wouldn't have AgK in my favourites btw). The only thing I hate is when there were perfectly explained things in a manga and super good manga pages that aren't being adapted in the adaptation, for example the Owari no Seraph's 2nd season. If you didn't read the manga of that series, you kind of miss important stuff and alot of funny moments. And for what? Because instead of making 1 more episode or just make it a dual season (which would be a bit harder imo as there ain't enough that is left, if explained at it's best it could be 3-ish more episodes, so there would be fillers here), they decide to confuse new people to the series... So in general, i do hate complainers, but not if it's justified like OnS. |
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| Just imagine if you are a manga reader who have been reading a work, and that work has reached to a point when an epic moment happens, and months/years later, an anime adaptation of that manga is announced. You are waiting impatiently that epic moment in the adaptation, and suddenly, the anime goes to an original ending and doesn't adapt the moment you wanted. Enough reason to bitch. |
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| Maybe they enjoyed their favorite character of that series in a particular scene. Maybe essential character development got removed. I've had a little irritation with some bad adaptations, but generally I'm fine. Usually it's just the nitpickers that are annoying when they cry. |
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hoopla123 said: But manga adaptions aren't really that bad at all. LN/VN adaptions are the true horrors in terms of adaptions. I suppose that might be annoying since I'm planning to read some light novels, but I'm not really interested in manga. But I suppose there are good adaptations too, I am just reading the Spice and Wolf light novels and rewatching the anime in parallel, and the anime adaptation seems really good to me. |
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FunkyNano said: Why wouldn't someone be irritated if the adaptation of something they enjoyed was changed to the point of barely resembling the source material This. Someone who read the original source has the right to say whatever they think, especially when it comes to animes that removes or change or in general just rush important stuff, leaving a bad impression on anime-onlies and source readers. While an adaptation doesn't have to be 100% faithful, it should atleast remain faithful to a certain degree and not just remove all the important stuff, leaving a generic show as the final product. |
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| I'm one of the few people who doesn't really care when it comes to adaptations .If it's a completely new story then I treat it as a completely new story .As far as I'm concerned ,even if a lot of info is left out from the anime but it has good animation then I'll still see it as the source material .All I watch anime adaptations for o's to see my favourite moments animated .Not to look at the story again .I feel like I should know better . Adaptations are things I'll never get salty over . |
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| I must say I'm going to headbutt the next moron who feels the need to say "don't watch the anime it's shit the manga is better" next time Berserk is mentionned. 1/no, berserk isn't a shitty anime, you probably never saw a shitty anime if that's what you think (or just can't stand interesting open endings). 2/ shut up. Now I just need to watch FMA:B to make sure that the 2003 haters are, as I'm currently suspecting, idiots. I must also mention that my favs are anime originals, so yeah, couldn't care less about an eventual mango as long as the animu is good. |
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| Well, positive change is never a bad thing. But if an adaptation makes someone feel negatively, they have every right to feel disappointed, don't you think? |
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| ^No. If they're not happy they can watch something else, or adapt the mango themselves. Imagine dem otakus if they ever had an adaptation like Starship trooper (wich basically butchers the book and keeps like 10% of the content), or Blade Runner (regarded as one of the best sci-fi movies ever despite the fact that it stripped the novel of every interesting aspect (ecology, the religion -mercerism in English?), etc. Meanwhile, they're bashing Berserk or FMA 2003 for not adapting the entirety of mangos that weren't available at the time lololol. |
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| I wasn't aware people weren't allowed to have opinions on such important matters. My apologizes. |
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