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Nov 22, 2015 6:50 PM
#1
One staple of the Casual Discussion culture are male posters seeking to generalize the behavior of women, blame them, and generally demonstrate some sort of righteously justified need. It is a foregone conclusion that these posters are generally wrong, and motivated by negative emotions. My question is this: What can be done in response to such examples of toxic masculinity? On the one hand, people expressing such opinions are obviously angry and feel disempowered. So should the goal be to aid these people? Or are they actually the root of the problem? |
Nov 22, 2015 6:51 PM
#2
I think we all need a hug. |
Nov 22, 2015 6:51 PM
#4
Ignore it, because they're alt accounts who have the intention of preaching shitty messages and intoxicating the community. Report their threads and wait until mods come. Like seriously, whoever agrees with the shit they're saying is probably retarded. |
Nov 22, 2015 6:53 PM
#5
aikaflip said: Seriously. Fuck half of the threads and posts in CD right now. |
Now I see the secret of the making of the best persons. It is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth. -Walt Whitman A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Robert A. Heinlein |
Nov 22, 2015 6:55 PM
#7
kobun said: Leave CD I agree with kobun sensei. Growing thicker skin is also an option. |
Nov 22, 2015 6:55 PM
#9
mayukachan said: Ignore it, because they're alt accounts who have the intention of preaching shitty messages and intoxicating the community. Report their threads and wait until mods come. Mods do not seem to care much about any of the threads... http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1453912 |
Nov 22, 2015 6:55 PM
#10
By the way,I think OP might be referring male toxicity in general. |
Nov 22, 2015 6:55 PM
#11
read Walt Whitman poems? kek |
I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
Nov 22, 2015 6:56 PM
#13
That's a myth unless we're talking about roid rage but steroid abuse causes that. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:07 PM
#14
It has nothing to do with masculinity. Masculinity and femininity are hardly noticeable things all that much outside of social constructs and physical differences in sexes. Its just people generalizing out of bad experience and not knowing how to deal with it beyond venting their frustrations and some are just intentionally trying to get a reaction rather than fully believe what they say. |
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Nov 22, 2015 7:08 PM
#15
traed said: If it's only towards women and from men then it's masculinity.It has nothing to do with masculinity. Masculinity and femininity are hardly noticeable things all that much outside of social constructs and physical differences in sexes. Its just people generalizing out of bad experience and not knowing how to deal with it beyond venting their frustrations and some are just intentionally trying to get a reaction rather than fully believe what they say. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:09 PM
#16
Can we all just get along? Is that so much to fucking ask?! |
ThrashMattoNov 22, 2015 7:12 PM
I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
Nov 22, 2015 7:10 PM
#17
ThrashMatto said: Can we all just get along? Is that much to fucking ask?! Looking back at history,you'd sooner win the jackpot in lottery five times in a row. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:11 PM
#18
ThrashMatto said: Can we all just get along? Is that much to fucking ask?! Not when the feminists are invading our meninist safe haven |
Nov 22, 2015 7:11 PM
#19
Wish them misfortune and go your way. I usually wouldn't reply to such posts, but I'm not a very nice mood today. But please ignore them, they are misguided gay people who dislike women, their biggest supporters and worship men, their biggest enemy. I pity them dearly, as a gay person myself. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:11 PM
#20
kobun said: ThrashMatto said: Can we all just get along? Is that much to fucking ask?! Not when the feminists are invading our meninist safe haven Yeah,it is totally your fault,feminist. Make it ten. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:13 PM
#21
Stop bieng a bitch. You're only proving them right by complaining anyway |
Nov 22, 2015 7:15 PM
#22
mochabearkawaii said: I do wish your account has been hacked. This makes me utterly sad.Stop bieng a bitch. You're only proving them right by complaining anyway |
Nov 22, 2015 7:16 PM
#23
yaoi_renee said: mochabearkawaii said: I do wish your account has been hacked. This makes me utterly sad.Stop bieng a bitch. You're only proving them right by complaining anyway He's not wrong |
Nov 22, 2015 7:18 PM
#24
ThrashMatto said: kobun said: Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people?ThrashMatto said: Can we all just get along? Is that much to fucking ask?! Not when the feminists are invading our meninist safe haven Because honestly,many of people here enjoy the internet conflict and drama a lot. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:20 PM
#25
DejWo said: Has everyone started smoking crack all of the sudden?ThrashMatto said: kobun said: ThrashMatto said: Can we all just get along? Is that much to fucking ask?! Not when the feminists are invading our meninist safe haven Because honestly,many of people here enjoy the internet conflict and drama a lot. |
I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
Nov 22, 2015 7:21 PM
#26
cause said: What makes me sad isn't that he's saying, that's the last thing on my mind. It's actually the fact that I thought that person was friend-worthy at one point.yaoi_renee said: He's not wrongmochabearkawaii said: Stop bieng a bitch. You're only proving them right by complaining anyway |
Nov 22, 2015 7:21 PM
#27
yaoi_renee said: Me (and I'm sure others as well) are joking most of the time. I don't think females should take offense because a couple of guys on mal have come into contact with a few horrible woman and generalize the whole gender. But they're not saints just like guys aren't butlwoman love to act like they are(just because they're a woman). I'm even generalizing now but it goes both ways :/mochabearkawaii said: I do wish your account has been hacked. This makes me utterly sad.Stop bieng a bitch. You're only proving them right by complaining anyway |
Nov 22, 2015 7:22 PM
#28
This gif somehow seems appropriate for this thread. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:23 PM
#29
Claire said: My question is this: What can be done in response to such examples of toxic masculinity? Yes, actually address the argument rather than posting a regressive thread and complain about it. There's something called reasoning - If you haven't figured that out yet. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:24 PM
#30
Men be like... |
Nov 22, 2015 7:29 PM
#32
mochabearkawaii said: I don't think anybody is taking offense to be honest, but the fact that you decided to reply on this one thread that antagonizes males, instead of the 200 that antagonize women, AND cursing at them makes me unable to believe that these are merely jokes. You could've at least said the same thing in the other female hatred threads.yaoi_renee said: Me (and I'm sure others as well) are joking most of the time. I don't think females should take offense because a couple of guys on mal have come into contact with a few horrible woman and generalize the whole gender. But they're not saints just like guys aren't butlwoman love to act like they are(just because they're a woman). I'm even generalizing now but it goes both ways :/I do wish your account has been hacked. This makes me utterly sad. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:29 PM
#33
Astros said: Uhmm not really because its not limited by that. There are females who do the same thing toward males. There are gays and bisexual males who do it over other males. There are lesbians and bisexual females who do it over other females. There are some bisexual males and females who do it to both. Just using MAL as a basis is pretty poor and limited.traed said: If it's only towards women and from men then it's masculinity.It has nothing to do with masculinity. Masculinity and femininity are hardly noticeable things all that much outside of social constructs and physical differences in sexes. Its just people generalizing out of bad experience and not knowing how to deal with it beyond venting their frustrations and some are just intentionally trying to get a reaction rather than fully believe what they say. |
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Nov 22, 2015 7:31 PM
#34
traed said: Just using MAL as a basis is pretty poor and limited. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:32 PM
#35
DejWo said: kobun said: ThrashMatto said: Can we all just get along? Is that much to fucking ask?! Not when the feminists are invading our meninist safe haven Yeah,it is totally your fault,feminist. Make it ten. u know wat feck u bc I made that counter to stop that shit but ppl have been bullying meh & saying it even more. feck u I'll chop off ur dicks |
Nov 22, 2015 7:34 PM
#37
kobun said: DejWo said: kobun said: ThrashMatto said: Can we all just get along? Is that much to fucking ask?! Not when the feminists are invading our meninist safe haven Yeah,it is totally your fault,feminist. Make it ten. u know wat feck u bc I made that counter to stop that shit but ppl have been bullying meh & saying it even more. feck u I'll chop off ur dicks do it you f-f-f-feminist baka |
Nov 22, 2015 7:34 PM
#38
I say try your best to ignore them. I don't think any other consequences besides being mostly disagreed with or perhaps being reported to a moderator are necessary. That said, I don't like the phrase "toxic masculinity" because it implies that masculinity, something that is very subjective, is the problem. Truthfully, it's either a bunch of simple minded morons trying to get validation or trolls. Either way, don't give them that validation. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:35 PM
#39
traed said: Sorry, I was being sarcastic and laying bait. I don't actually believe in what I said.Uhmm not really because its not limited by that. There are females who do the same thing toward males. There are gays and bisexual males who do it over other males. There are lesbians and bisexual females who do it over other females. There are some bisexual males and females who do it to both. Just using MAL as a basis is pretty poor and limited. |
Nov 22, 2015 7:36 PM
#40
yaoi_renee said: mochabearkawaii said: I don't think anybody is taking offense to be honest, but the fact that you decided to reply on this one thread that antagonizes males, instead of the 200 that antagonize women, AND cursing at them makes me unable to believe that these are merely jokes. You could've at least said the same thing in the other female hatred threads.yaoi_renee said: I do wish your account has been hacked. This makes me utterly sad. I've called males out plenty of times on here before, I'll be sure to keep doing so whenever it needs to be done. I guess cursing (and using the word bitch) didn't help. When the next female hate thread comes I'll be there front and center #protectwomanatallcosts |
Nov 22, 2015 7:38 PM
#41
the best thing is to just ignore them. the threads themseleves are mostly just bait, and devoid of any effort to encourage debate/discussion. The people who identify with these types of views are almost always a part of the problem. |
Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
Nov 22, 2015 7:42 PM
#44
yeah fuck women literally ˙͜ >˙ |
Nov 22, 2015 7:43 PM
#45
mochabearkawaii said: Well, I'm glad you understand.yaoi_renee said: mochabearkawaii said: yaoi_renee said: Me (and I'm sure others as well) are joking most of the time. I don't think females should take offense because a couple of guys on mal have come into contact with a few horrible woman and generalize the whole gender. But they're not saints just like guys aren't butlwoman love to act like they are(just because they're a woman). I'm even generalizing now but it goes both ways :/I do wish your account has been hacked. This makes me utterly sad. I've called males out plenty of times on here before, I'll be sure to keep doing so whenever it needs to be done. I guess cursing (and using the word bitch) didn't help. When the next female hate thread comes I'll be there front and center #protectwomanatallcosts |
Nov 22, 2015 7:54 PM
#46
Its usually best to respond calmly and correctively while understanding where someone is coming from with what they say. If you understand the motive and cause you understand the method to dismantle it. |
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Nov 23, 2015 1:02 AM
#47
Confront and discuss. Stupid opinions shouldn't be censored or avoided. They should be confronted so we will understand why they're so stupid. This way, we can make something productive out of it. |
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Nov 23, 2015 1:03 AM
#48
How about we get rid of the blatant toxic behavior from everyone posting right now? It's clear almost no one on this forum is posting with a sensible mindset. |
Nov 23, 2015 1:13 AM
#49
It was only a few gender threads at first, but now it's like CD just got fucking taken over. The flood gates opened and now w'ere at each others throats over some BS. How about we all stop putting so much importance on what we have between our legs? |
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