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Imaishi said:

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If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair colour.

I never called it a religion, are you fucking blind?

Ooops, my mind slipped.
Just replace the words though. No need to be so aggressive.

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i prefer people that beleive in aliens are actually our god rather than not beleive in god at all. because life from no life is impossible.

That makes no sense. How do you suppose aliens came to life? They had to come from no life.
Prebiotic experiments are a thing. Amino acids can easily emerge under the right conditions (aka the ones the Earth had when it was young).

Whose to say these aliens didn't come into being in a similar way that we think human life came to be, and came to create human life as we know it.

Of course, I actually don't believe that.

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Mikasa said:
Could it be that the homosexual scene controversy from Shinsekai Yori was caused bu religious beliefs against homosexuality?

I think I'd be against homosexuality even if I wasn't religious, but nah. SSY's random yuri/yaoi episode didn't put me off of that show. I became bored with it a few episodes later and I'll watch it to the end eventually.

Angel's Egg is one of my favourite anime movies, even though I disagree with its message.

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this thread will be change to theism VS atheism.

Yeah, sadly enough. We need Icirate and Masked_Mantis first though :(

Sorry I was late c:

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Kokko said:

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I never called it a religion, are you fucking blind?

Ooops, my mind slipped.
Just replace the words though. No need to be so aggressive.

I won't replace them, because they aren't the same. And I edited the aggression out, my bad, you were bit too fast tho xD

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Also mikasa:

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.

Jul 30, 2015 3:36 AM

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j0x said:
no my point is that the meaning of words changes overtime, i did not contradict the meaning of atheism in this case, my point is atheism is considered irreligion while you are saying they are different, i guess we are just gonna go in circles with this so i rest my case here

They are still different. Similar yet still different. We can say that Atheism can be Irreligion but Irreligion cannot be all Atheism. Yes they can be considered as atheism (and that was my point all along) but yet still different. More like synonyms but synonyms is defined as "nearly the same word" for words cant be the exact meaning of the another word because English is not Latin
I rest my case here too

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icirate said:

Angel's Egg is one of my favourite anime movies, even though I disagree with its message.

What don't you agree about with it's message?

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no my point is that the meaning of words changes overtime, i did not contradict the meaning of atheism in this case, my point is atheism is considered irreligion while you are saying they are different, i guess we are just gonna go in circles with this so i rest my case here

They are still different. Similar yet still different. We can say that Atheism can be Irreligion but Irreligion cannot be all Atheism. Yes they can be considered as atheism (and that was my point all along) but yet still different. More like synonyms but synonyms is defined as "nearly the same word" for words cant be the exact meaning of the another word because English is not Latin

formalities and semantics lol

so atheists to you are not irreligious?

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Angel's Egg is one of my favourite anime movies, even though I disagree with its message.

What don't you agree about with it's message?

It's a very personal film about Oshii (the director's) falling out from Christianity. He used to be a priest He trained to become one.

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As with everything, religious beliefs are a case of listening to what everyone has to say then making your own mind up.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.

Jul 30, 2015 3:40 AM

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Kokko said:

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What don't you agree about with it's message?

It's a very personal film about Oshii (the director's) falling out from Christianity. He used to be a priest.

correction, he used to be a "seminarian" not a priest

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Kokko said:

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What don't you agree about with it's message?

It's a very personal film about Oshii (the director's) falling out from Christianity. He used to be a priest.

I'm aware, I've seen it and love it, I'm asking him with what he disagrees about with the message.

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no

but B is part of A

Good point. Just like I said before, generalizing is not bad in some cases, but atheist and irreligion debate that you do with Karadzic looks like equalize both. Atheist=/=Irreligion. That's what I mean, it's not like I disagree with you when considered atheist is a part of irreligion which has broad mean.

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Karadzic said:

Kokko said:

It's a very personal film about Oshii (the director's) falling out from Christianity. He used to be a priest.

correction, he used to be a "seminarian" not a priest

Yeah, I corrected it. You were a bit too fast doe lel

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I'm aware, I've seen it and love it, I'm asking him with what he disagrees about with the message.

Icirate said he's a Christian. I don't think most Christians would like the message.

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so atheists to you are not irreligious?

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Atheist=/=Irreligion. That's what I mean, it's not like I disagree with you when considered atheist is part of irreligion.

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CharlRosso said:

j0x said:
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but B is part of A

Good point. Just like I said before, generalizing is not bad in some cases, but atheist and irreligion debate that you do with Karadzic looks like equalize both. Atheist=/=Irreligion. That's what I mean, it's not like I disagree with you when considered atheist is part of irreligion.

ok but answer me this, i asked him about this too so atheists to you are not irreligious?

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j0x said:
so atheists to you are not irreligious?

CharlRosso said:
Atheist=/=Irreligion. That's what I mean, it's not like I disagree with you when considered atheist is part of irreligion.

semantics and formalities

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ToaofJustice said:

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Angel's Egg is one of my favourite anime movies, even though I disagree with its message.

What don't you agree about with it's message?

I don't think that he would have been fishing for mere illusions, although to be fair Japan certainly isn't receptive to Christianity - he would have been sowing seeds in shallow and rocky soil for the most part.

I also don't think that caging a women's sexuality in marriage is the same as robbing her of it. If anything I think it is better for her.

Those things I disagree with were what I interpreted parts of his message as being.

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What about Death Note? Since Kira claimed he's a god. Did that make people angry?

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ok but answer me this, i asked him about this too so atheists to you are not irreligious?

Irreligion is not having religion and atheist is not believe in God. Do you think they are same?

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Kokko said:
Icirate said he's a Christian. I don't think most Christians would like the message.

the question is, what was the message of the film in the first place since it wasnt revealed officially that it was a "personal loss of faith". More like people's abandonment of God if you ask me

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I doubt it would be possible for a cartoon to offend me (lol), but if it was something extremely dumb and not fun to watch, sure, I'd drop it.

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icirate said:

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What don't you agree about with it's message?

I don't think that he would have been fishing for mere illusions, although to be fair Japan certainly isn't receptive to Christianity - he would have been sowing seeds in shallow and rocky soil for the most part.

I also don't think that caging a women's sexuality in marriage is the same as robbing her of it. If anything I think it is better for her.

Those things I disagree with were what I interpreted parts of his message as being.

Alright, I see. I don't really want to get into an argument about sexuality at the moment, but I'll ask just one thing.

You say "caging a women's sexuality in marriage.....". You of course think this for males too, right?

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CharlRosso said:

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ok but answer me this, i asked him about this too so atheists to you are not irreligious?

Irreligion is not having religion and atheist is not believe in God. Do you think they are same?

they have differences in a strict formalities and semantics but atheism is considered irreligion in an informal setting, i rest my case i already made my point

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Is there even an anime that pokes fun at atheist's? I doubt we will see an anime made by christians zealot's anytime soon so i have really nothing to worry about..

Actually, Superbook (http://myanimelist.net/anime/2882/Anime_Oyako_Gekijou) counts as anime, so there are anime made by christian zealots.

I'm an atheist too, and i have not yet encountered an anime that is offensive to me on religious grounds. I'm allright with gods, elves, vampires and other fantasy creatures in fantasy settings.

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Before the start of the season I gave a condition that, if Gate was overly nationalistic and offensive I would drop it and give a 1/10. But thankfully, not only the rising sun flag was removed by A1 or Funimation or whoever did it, it is also a somewhat enjoyable anime.

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Karadzic said:

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Icirate said he's a Christian. I don't think most Christians would like the message.

the question is, what was the message of the film in the first place since it wasnt revealed officially that it was a "personal loss of faith". More like people's abandonment of God if you ask me

Well if you look at the context and Oshii's own loss of faith there's not many interpretations that I think are correct.
That doesn't matter though if you're one of those "Death of the Author" guys...

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ToaofJustice said:

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I don't think that he would have been fishing for mere illusions, although to be fair Japan certainly isn't receptive to Christianity - he would have been sowing seeds in shallow and rocky soil for the most part.

I also don't think that caging a women's sexuality in marriage is the same as robbing her of it. If anything I think it is better for her.

Those things I disagree with were what I interpreted parts of his message as being.

Alright, I see.

You say "caging a women's sexuality in marriage.....". you of course think this for males too, right?

Sure. The protagonist is a girl though, so that's what the film seems to be more specifically commenting on. I have a feeling that if he was training as a seminary and fell away from it, he felt that he was teaching something destructive - so it makes sense if the male character in the film was supposed to represent him in some way. That's only one possibility of what he was trying to convey, of course.

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Karadzic said:

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And God isn't?

well, lets be serious
FSM is obviously a mock religion

What about Mormonism, Jedi, Shintoism, Raelians etc.?

They beleive in their own way and live moral lives so they are following the correct religion aren't they? There's nothing miraculous you can show to enlighten anyone as to why they should follow your religion you're just highly convinced you're right.

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icirate said:

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Alright, I see.

You say "caging a women's sexuality in marriage.....". you of course think this for males too, right?

Sure. The protagonist is a girl though, so that's what the film seems to be more specifically commenting on. I have a feeling that if he was training as a seminary and fell away from it, he felt that he was teaching something destructive - so it makes sense if the male character in the film was supposed to represent him in some way. That's only one possibility of what he was trying to convey, of course.

I totally get you. I mean, I disagree with you about limiting sex to marriage, but I get you. :D

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What about Mormonism, Jedi, Shintoism, Raelians etc.?

They beleive in their own way and live moral lives so they are following the correct religion aren't they? There's nothing miraculous you can show to enlighten anyone as to why they should follow your religion you're just highly convinced you're right.

so your implying there are no absolute truths?

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Karadzic said:

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What about Mormonism, Jedi, Shintoism, Raelians etc.?

They beleive in their own way and live moral lives so they are following the correct religion aren't they? There's nothing miraculous you can show to enlighten anyone as to why they should follow your religion you're just highly convinced you're right.

so your implying there are no absolute truths?

There are but how can you be punished for leading a moral life following your absolute truth?

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I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man.

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I mean, I disagree with you about limiting sex to marriage, but I get you. :D

Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts.

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Karadzic said:

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What about Mormonism, Jedi, Shintoism, Raelians etc.?

They beleive in their own way and live moral lives so they are following the correct religion aren't they? There's nothing miraculous you can show to enlighten anyone as to why they should follow your religion you're just highly convinced you're right.

so your implying there are no absolute truths?

That's some nihilistic thinking there buddy.

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No.

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Masked_Mantis said:

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so your implying there are no absolute truths?

There are but how can you be punished for leading a moral life following your absolute truth?

what do you mean?

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ToaofJustice said:

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so your implying there are no absolute truths?

That's some nihilistic thinking there buddy.

Nihilistic? What?
Empiricism is founded on the fact that there are no absolute truths, and as we all know, the scientific method is empirical.

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These absolute truths are on of the great mysteries about life.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.

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That's some nihilistic thinking there buddy.

Nihilistic? What?
Empiricism is founded on the fact that there are no absolute truths, and as we all know, the scientific method is empirical.

so is that really a truth?

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Kokko said:

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That's some nihilistic thinking there buddy.

Nihilistic? What?
Empiricism is founded on the fact that there are no absolute truths, and as we all know, the scientific method is empirical.

Nihilism also implies that there are no absolute truths.

Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.

There are no eternal facts, as there are no absolute truths.
– Friedrich Nietzsche: Human, All-too-Human

http://www.iep.utm.edu/nihilism/

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Karadzic said:

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There are but how can you be punished for leading a moral life following your absolute truth?

what do you mean?

If I'm a Hindu living my life believing in god, believing I'll be reincarnated etc. Why would I still go to hell for idol worship?

In reality if I was a moral Hindu you could easily be my friend but you'd have to go against your own ultmiate truth that in the end I haven't accepted Jesus.

What if I'm an atheist that lives a moral life? How can I still be punished for following my own ultimate truth? At the end of the day you're doing the same thing, you're following what you think is an ultimate truth. What if reincarnation is the truth and you get reincarnated into a lesser animal for wanting to oppress atheists opinions? huehuehue

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Masked_Mantis said:

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what do you mean?

If I'm a Hindu living my life believing in god, believing I'll be reincarnated etc. Why would I still go to hell for idol worship?

In reality if I was a moral Hindu you could easily be my friend but you'd have to go against your own ultmiate truth that in the end I haven't accepted Jesus.

What if I'm an atheist that lives a moral life? How can I still be punished for following my own ultimate truth? At the end of the day you're doing the same thing, you're following what you think is an ultimate truth. What if reincarnation is the truth and you get reincarnated into a lesser animal for wanting to oppress atheists opinions? huehuehue

As far as I see it with the monotheistic religious, being in the "right" faith gives you extra brownie points as long as you live a good life.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.

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Nihilistic? What?
Empiricism is founded on the fact that there are no absolute truths, and as we all know, the scientific method is empirical.

Nihilism also implies that there are no absolute truths.

Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.

There are no eternal facts, as there are no absolute truths.
– Friedrich Nietzsche: Human, All-too-Human

http://www.iep.utm.edu/nihilism/

I know that, but it's very weird to put forth nihilism in this context
If it wasn't a light hearted jab or smth

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Kokko said:

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Nihilism also implies that there are no absolute truths.

Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.

There are no eternal facts, as there are no absolute truths.
– Friedrich Nietzsche: Human, All-too-Human

http://www.iep.utm.edu/nihilism/

I know that, but it's very weird to put forth nihilism in this context
If it wasn't a light hearted jab or smth

It was a light hearted jab.

I do align myself with nihilism in some respects though.

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Masked_Mantis said:

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what do you mean?

If I'm a Hindu living my life believing in god, believing I'll be reincarnated etc. Why would I still go to hell for idol worship?

In reality if I was a moral Hindu you could easily be my friend but you'd have to go against your own ultmiate truth that in the end I haven't accepted Jesus.

What if I'm an atheist that lives a moral life? How can I still be punished for following my own ultimate truth? At the end of the day you're doing the same thing, you're following what you think is an ultimate truth. What if reincarnation is the truth and you get reincarnated into a lesser animal for wanting to oppress atheists opinions? huehuehue

well we are not God afterall so...... we will never know

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I know that, but it's very weird to put forth nihilism in this context
If it wasn't a light hearted jab or smth

It was a light hearted jab.

I do align myself with nihilism in some respects though.

I'm sorry but you're sounding a bit like an edgy teenager.
I've read a few books by nihilists like E.M. Cioran and they're absolute filth.

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I'm not religious but I have dropped anime when they tactlessly offend my socio-political beliefs with nothing interesting/entertaining to offer in return though.

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