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Jul 13, 2015 8:27 PM
#1
| Do you people hate it when a character who could have well developed a romance aspect in an anime is destroyed by some kiss/confession by a sidekick who would bear no meaning later on in the series? And then that character feels imprisoned due to that fact. For eg : The kiss between Seras and Bernadotte in Hellsing took away the romance hopes we had between Alucard and Seras? I mean just as a side-plot? Or the relationship that could've developed between Faldio and Alicia in Valkyria Chronicles? Or Satellizer El Bridget being the sex slave of her step brother in Freezing Vibration? |
HoloPixyJul 13, 2015 8:43 PM
Jul 13, 2015 8:29 PM
#2
| I'm not big on romance anime but if I'm watching an anime focused around a couple you know will get together in the end I find side characters for the two characters to get distracted by romantically/sexually to be frustrating and or annoying. |
Jul 13, 2015 8:30 PM
#4
Imphie said: Uhm congrats on your first post! Welcome to MAL. This too. |
Jul 13, 2015 8:37 PM
#5
HoloPixy said: Or the relationship that could've developed between Faldio and Alicia in Valkyria Chronicles? a some one who played the game thy had no relationship what so ever in the game that was added fluff one of the many things wrong with vlkyria chronicles anime also alicia is not a tsundere in the game fun fact |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Jul 13, 2015 8:41 PM
#6
hazerddex said: HoloPixy said: Or the relationship that could've developed between Faldio and Alicia in Valkyria Chronicles? a some one who played the game thy had no relationship what so ever in the game that was added fluff one of the many things wrong with vlkyria chronicles anime also alicia is not a tsundere in the game fun fact I used the word could carefully there. Would you be annoyed if their relationship developed in a more intimate one and in the end, Alicia still ended up with Walkin. Imphie said: Uhm congrats on your first post! Welcome to MAL. Thanks! |
Jul 13, 2015 8:48 PM
#7
HoloPixy said: hazerddex said: HoloPixy said: Or the relationship that could've developed between Faldio and Alicia in Valkyria Chronicles? a some one who played the game thy had no relationship what so ever in the game that was added fluff one of the many things wrong with vlkyria chronicles anime also alicia is not a tsundere in the game fun fact I used the word could carefully there. Would you be annoyed if their relationship developed in a more intimate one and in the end, Alicia still ended up with Walkin. Imphie said: Uhm congrats on your first post! Welcome to MAL. Thanks! us a diffrent context i dont understand are you talking about things like kurokami where the main character and the main female character don't end up together and the guy marries the usless bimbo who had little to no relevance to the plot or relationship with the main character |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Jul 13, 2015 9:37 PM
#8
| It happens in Yahari Oregairu. |
Jul 14, 2015 4:38 AM
#9
Jul 14, 2015 7:06 AM
#10
| yeah i guess this bothered me at least once, but cant think of a concrete example also i think its not such a common occurrence that you can generalize a reaction to it |
Jul 14, 2015 7:09 AM
#11
Jul 14, 2015 7:20 AM
#12
TrashDax said: I hate it when a romance is teased and then never followed through untill the epilogue tells us "oh, btw, they got married n stuff". See Naruto. Naruto is a flasgship shounen. It basicly copied the concept from Dragon Ball but went a little further with it. Naruto had alot of undertones, alot of scenes could have been interpreted as romantic and what do you even expect in the first place in a shounen? I wouldn´t be surprised if One Piece will do the very same thing. At most you´d get to see a kiss no sex scene like in Parasyte which was delivered through the The Last Movie, to please that part of the fanbase. Heck FMA didn´t deliver anymore besides that last scene were they confess and we never even did see a kiss or learned the kids names. What I´m saying feel free to dslike it but it´s a common shounen trope to leave the romance as a sidestory that developes in the backround. Aka the MC needs a girlfriend so let´s make one of the girls like him. It´s kinda true too reality since girls tend to mature earlier and shounen heros tend to go through puberty or be at it´s edge. What I actually can understand that pisses people off is when it´s a back and forth throughout the story, with the whole will they won´t they bullshit for x-hundred of chapters just to make it a wont because of the MC´s dark past or whatever or even worse, pull a friendzone. The original Pokemon series is the biggest offender of this, when it had still a plot before it became a big marketing tool for Nintento. If you advertise cheesy romance than deliver cheesy romance. |
IsterioJul 14, 2015 7:26 AM
Jul 14, 2015 7:24 AM
#13
| No normal human likes NTR though... some people like it, it's a fetish to like a character or you get NTR |
Jul 14, 2015 7:25 AM
#14
| No |
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Jul 14, 2015 7:33 AM
#15
| If such a thing is happening to one of the main characters, like you mentioned in the examples, I guess it does make me like the anime less sometimes. |
Jul 14, 2015 7:48 AM
#16
| Alucard and Seras? Like, really? They give off more of a father-daughter vibe than romantic vibes. Bernodatte didn't bear any meaning later on in the story? Don't just twist the character interactions or their developments to suit your fancies. |
Jul 14, 2015 7:58 AM
#17
yhunata said: Alucard and Seras? Like, really? They give off more of a father-daughter vibe than romantic vibes. Bernodatte didn't bear any meaning later on in the story? Don't just twist the character interactions or their developments to suit your fancies. Who the fuck mentioned Hellsing in the first place? The one romance story was between Seras and that french mercenary and that wasn´t even developed it just was randomly thrown in there out of fucking noiwehere. One chapter of development and a kiss the end. Alucard and Seras are totally in a "father daughter" relationship. Anyway any Hellsing relationship is garbage but who the fuck watches/reads this series for the characters? I mean Hirano created the biggest Anime badass in history, when it comes to Charisma this guy shit´s on Goku because he´s a sick pervert and that´s what makes him likeable would I drink a beer with him? Hell no! Is he the Ultimate badass? Totally. Maybe Madara Uchiha comes close to him but I´m giving Alucard the edge for being the bigger troll. |
Jul 14, 2015 8:02 AM
#18
HoloPixy said: For eg : The kiss between Seras and Bernadotte in Hellsing took away the romance hopes we had between Alucard and Seras? I mean just as a side-plot? I don't know where you see a slightest potential for romance between Alucard and Seras, this is just total BS. And the short romance with Bernadotte was pretty decent and actually had a huge impact on Seras. Not like it matters much in bloodshed action series anyway. HoloPixy said: Or Satellizer El Bridget being the sex slave of her step brother in Freezing Vibration? How was the romance potential destroyed in there? Actually, the most development in their romance is after this arc. |
Jul 14, 2015 8:10 AM
#19
Imaishi said: I don't know where you see a slightest potential for romance between Alucard and Seras, this is just total BS. And the short romance with Bernadotte was pretty decent and actually had a huge impact on Seras. You really thought this was "love story" was decent written? Personally I thought it was random as hell and worked only a plot device to make Seras drink blood. It had no foreshadowing no development because it was instantly over and didn´t matter at all. Storytellng is like the weakest part of hellsing. Anyway would you mind to elaborate why you think it was decent? |
Jul 14, 2015 8:12 AM
#20
| Yep, when they add a useless character and he/she is just there to stop the two from evolvin' their relationship, like bish get out. |
Jul 14, 2015 8:22 AM
#21
Isterio said: yhunata said: Alucard and Seras? Like, really? They give off more of a father-daughter vibe than romantic vibes. Bernodatte didn't bear any meaning later on in the story? Don't just twist the character interactions or their developments to suit your fancies. Who the fuck mentioned Hellsing in the first place? The one romance story was between Seras and that french mercenary and that wasn´t even developed it just was randomly thrown in there out of fucking noiwehere. One chapter of development and a kiss the end. Alucard and Seras are totally in a "father daughter" relationship. Anyway any Hellsing relationship is garbage but who the fuck watches/reads this series for the characters? I mean Hirano created the biggest Anime badass in history, when it comes to Charisma this guy shit´s on Goku because he´s a sick pervert and that´s what makes him likeable would I drink a beer with him? Hell no! Is he the Ultimate badass? Totally. Maybe Madara Uchiha comes close to him but I´m giving Alucard the edge for being the bigger troll. And here, we have a perfect example of a person who doesn't read the opening post and only glances at the title. To help you with this; HoloPixy said: Do you people hate it when a character who could have well developed a romance aspect in an anime is destroyed by some kiss/confession by a sidekick who would bear no meaning later on in the series? And then that character feels imprisoned due to that fact. For eg : The kiss between Seras and Bernadotte in Hellsing took away the romance hopes we had between Alucard and Seras? I mean just as a side-plot? Or the relationship that could've developed between Faldio and Alicia in Valkyria Chronicles? Or Satellizer El Bridget being the sex slave of her step brother in Freezing Vibration? |
Jul 14, 2015 8:25 AM
#22
_Charl said: It happens in Yahari Oregairu. well the teen romantic comedy did not go as expected |
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Jul 14, 2015 8:30 AM
#23
| it's not conclude like what i want> it's suck. *accient alien guy "Humans". seriously, i am not hate usagi drop ending (manga), but what bug me if that ending is not logical or forced. |
Jul 14, 2015 8:41 AM
#24
| I actually like it when there's some small spark of what could be a romance, but it never actually becomes anything (the only example to come to mind right now is the one between Himeko and Bossun in SKET Dance). I like it because I can relate to it... :c I enjoy a bit of self-pitying from time to time, and even when characters are fictional, it makes you feel slightly less "alone" so to speak, when they're experiencing similar problems to what you are. Seriously, I've never been in a relationship, and whenever it seems like one might be about to take off, it falls flat on its face. *insert forever alone meme here* |
Jul 14, 2015 8:47 AM
#25
Isterio said: Imaishi said: I don't know where you see a slightest potential for romance between Alucard and Seras, this is just total BS. And the short romance with Bernadotte was pretty decent and actually had a huge impact on Seras. You really thought this was "love story" was decent written? Personally I thought it was random as hell and worked only a plot device to make Seras drink blood. It had no foreshadowing no development because it was instantly over and didn´t matter at all. Storytellng is like the weakest part of hellsing. Anyway would you mind to elaborate why you think it was decent? Where did I say anything about being decently written? But I don't see why it would not be. What sort of foreshadowing or development did you expect of romance in a story like that, I don't understand? They had some chemistry but that's it, they were constantly on the battlefield, there was no room for more. It wasn't stupidly dragged out, didn't feel out of place and served a purpose, I think that's more than enough to call it decent, considering the nature of the show. That part of episode when Bernadotte dies and Seras goes out of control is arguably the most powerful moment of the whole series. |
Jul 14, 2015 8:51 AM
#26
TrashDax said: I hate it when a romance is teased and then never followed through untill the epilogue tells us "oh, btw, they got married n stuff". See Naruto. What were you expecting from a battle shounen? Of course the romance will be sidelined in favor of the plot. Not like there is even good romance in shounen anyway. If ever there is one, I hope someone recommends it to me. |
Jul 14, 2015 8:53 AM
#27
Tenshi_Shura said: TrashDax said: I hate it when a romance is teased and then never followed through untill the epilogue tells us "oh, btw, they got married n stuff". See Naruto. What were you expecting from a battle shounen? Of course the romance will be sidelined in favor of the plot. Not like there is even good romance in shounen anyway. If ever there is one, I hope someone recommends it to me. Eureka Seven has the shonen tag and the romance is nice I think. I don't know what you consider good romance, though. |
Jul 14, 2015 9:06 AM
#28
Imaishi said: Eureka Seven has the shonen tag and the romance is nice I think. I don't know what you consider good romance, though. Now you are the one that missunderstood. He explicitly said "battle shounen" Nisekoi is a shounen as well, yet it´s a romance. If the tagline is Shounen +romance ofc there should be some decently written romance. However no "battle shounen" has yet delivered any well developed and thought out romance with lots of screentime. Battle shounen who make out the face of Anime and Manga outside of Japan(Dragon Ball Naruto) and have inside Japan the biggest audiences as well (One Piece). To be fair the battle shounen who most blatantly has delivered it´s lovestory "developed it the most on screen" I´ve read is Ravemaster Or going by today´s battle shounen I´d say Fairy Tail. The couples that are canonly introduced are either already married halfway through the story or had some romantic momments with each other, and even those lovestories are pretty modestly written. One "kiss" per series. |
IsterioJul 14, 2015 9:14 AM
Jul 14, 2015 10:39 PM
#29
yhunata said: Alucard and Seras? Like, really? They give off more of a father-daughter vibe than romantic vibes. Bernodatte didn't bear any meaning later on in the story? Don't just twist the character interactions or their developments to suit your fancies. There was nothing implied at that point (The time of the Bernodatte's death) that Alucard and Seras were in a father-daughter relationship. It was all up to us to guess and I am certain that many people hoped for romance between Seras and Alucard. It was later in the series that it seemed like their relationship was kinda familial. At that point, many fans were hoping for Alucard x Seras. |
Jul 14, 2015 10:41 PM
#30
Imaishi said: Isterio said: Imaishi said: I don't know where you see a slightest potential for romance between Alucard and Seras, this is just total BS. And the short romance with Bernadotte was pretty decent and actually had a huge impact on Seras. You really thought this was "love story" was decent written? Personally I thought it was random as hell and worked only a plot device to make Seras drink blood. It had no foreshadowing no development because it was instantly over and didn´t matter at all. Storytellng is like the weakest part of hellsing. Anyway would you mind to elaborate why you think it was decent? Where did I say anything about being decently written? But I don't see why it would not be. What sort of foreshadowing or development did you expect of romance in a story like that, I don't understand? They had some chemistry but that's it, they were constantly on the battlefield, there was no room for more. It wasn't stupidly dragged out, didn't feel out of place and served a purpose, I think that's more than enough to call it decent, considering the nature of the show. That part of episode when Bernadotte dies and Seras goes out of control is arguably the most powerful moment of the whole series. So, because you can't expect development/foreshadowing from a story like Hellsing, that romance becomes decently written? It was the author's mistake that he couldn't write anything good except for Alucard. Just because we don't expect good development from Hellsing doesnt mean that the romance becomes decently written. |
Jul 14, 2015 10:44 PM
#31
Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Or Satellizer El Bridget being the sex slave of her step brother in Freezing Vibration? How was the romance potential destroyed in there? Actually, the most development in their romance is after this arc. We got to know that Satellizer was her step brother's whore. Do you like to see romance stories where the girl is a whore? It just left a bad taste in my mouth and I wasnt able to enjoy Freezing. |
Jul 14, 2015 10:47 PM
#32
| When the romance is hinted at too much, then it's not right to just cock tease the fans. You obviously set up the series in a way where the characters can get together, just have them do so. The only place I can see this being ok is in shounen. Romance is not the main point of a shounen and it's not what people read the genre for, so why bother developing a romance? |
TsukuyomiREKTJul 14, 2015 10:51 PM
Jul 14, 2015 10:51 PM
#33
Jul 14, 2015 10:56 PM
#34
| I hate it when they basically cock block one of the main characters or the fans by ruining the potential romance. A good example of this is Nagi no Asukara where basically every one of the main characters has their love interest changed at least once. This isn't necessarily a bad thing for this show, but it was kind of irritating watching all my ships sink. I still love that show though. |
Jul 14, 2015 11:05 PM
#35
| Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED Destiny. I can't even... |
Jul 14, 2015 11:15 PM
#36
| Fan shipping is stupid. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Jul 14, 2015 11:22 PM
#37
HoloPixy said: Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Or Satellizer El Bridget being the sex slave of her step brother in Freezing Vibration? How was the romance potential destroyed in there? Actually, the most development in their romance is after this arc. We got to know that Satellizer was her step brother's whore. Do you like to see romance stories where the girl is a whore? It just left a bad taste in my mouth and I wasnt able to enjoy Freezing. Whore? What? How? She was abused and oppressed by him, she couldn't do jack shit about it. She was not only a kid, but a victim of sexual abuse and violence and you call her whore, a person that seels their body? Are you retarded? Damn, he didn't even fuck her (not like it makes her any less of a victim)... HoloPixy said: So, because you can't expect development/foreshadowing from a story like Hellsing, that romance becomes decently written? It was the author's mistake that he couldn't write anything good except for Alucard. Just because we don't expect good development from Hellsing doesnt mean that the romance becomes decently written. I didn't really say anything about it being decently written, but I don't see what makes it bad writing either. It wasn't love of their lives or anything like that, just a short romance, not every romance needs tons of development or build up, people can fall in love or get in relationships very fast. |
ImaishiJul 14, 2015 11:28 PM
Jul 14, 2015 11:26 PM
#38
Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Or Satellizer El Bridget being the sex slave of her step brother in Freezing Vibration? How was the romance potential destroyed in there? Actually, the most development in their romance is after this arc. We got to know that Satellizer was her step brother's whore. Do you like to see romance stories where the girl is a whore? It just left a bad taste in my mouth and I wasnt able to enjoy Freezing. Whore? What? How? She was abused and oppressed by him, she couldn't do jack shit about it. She was not only a kid, but a victim of sexual abuse and violence and you call her whore, a person that seels their body? Are you retarded? Damn, he didn't even fuck her (not like it makes her any less of a victim)... When she returned to her house with Kazuya, at that point, she could've easily resisted and kicked her step brother's ass but she didn't. She was just like "Yes, master. I am your doll." And he did fuck her. Watch the anime again. |
Jul 14, 2015 11:46 PM
#39
HoloPixy said: Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Or Satellizer El Bridget being the sex slave of her step brother in Freezing Vibration? How was the romance potential destroyed in there? Actually, the most development in their romance is after this arc. We got to know that Satellizer was her step brother's whore. Do you like to see romance stories where the girl is a whore? It just left a bad taste in my mouth and I wasnt able to enjoy Freezing. Whore? What? How? She was abused and oppressed by him, she couldn't do jack shit about it. She was not only a kid, but a victim of sexual abuse and violence and you call her whore, a person that seels their body? Are you retarded? Damn, he didn't even fuck her (not like it makes her any less of a victim)... When she returned to her house with Kazuya, at that point, she could've easily resisted and kicked her step brother's ass but she didn't. She was just like "Yes, master. I am your doll." And he did fuck her. Watch the anime again. Nothing is so easy. Because of the abuse that continued for years she had trauma and psychological problems, she didn't want any of this treatment. And no, he never fucked her. It's you who should watch or read it again. I don't want to defend the show, no, it sucked ass, but calling Satelizer a whore is uncalled for. Do you consider rape victims to be whores? what the hell |
Jul 14, 2015 11:55 PM
#40
Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Imaishi said: HoloPixy said: Or Satellizer El Bridget being the sex slave of her step brother in Freezing Vibration? How was the romance potential destroyed in there? Actually, the most development in their romance is after this arc. We got to know that Satellizer was her step brother's whore. Do you like to see romance stories where the girl is a whore? It just left a bad taste in my mouth and I wasnt able to enjoy Freezing. Whore? What? How? She was abused and oppressed by him, she couldn't do jack shit about it. She was not only a kid, but a victim of sexual abuse and violence and you call her whore, a person that seels their body? Are you retarded? Damn, he didn't even fuck her (not like it makes her any less of a victim)... When she returned to her house with Kazuya, at that point, she could've easily resisted and kicked her step brother's ass but she didn't. She was just like "Yes, master. I am your doll." And he did fuck her. Watch the anime again. Nothing is so easy. Because of the abuse that continued for years she had trauma and psychological problems, she didn't want any of this treatment. And no, he never fucked her. It's you who should watch or read it again. I don't want to defend the show, no, it sucked ass, but calling Satelizer a whore is uncalled for. Do you consider rape victims to be whores? what the hell She was different and stronger when he took her in bed the last time. She was one of the top students and had gotten stronger. So, she should have been able to avod that situation. I am not calling rape victims whore, but one who doesn't resisit even though they have the power to do so are definitely whores. |
Jul 15, 2015 12:22 AM
#41
| We all have ships that have sunk. It's part of being an anime watcher. |
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