Drunk_Samurai said: Tomoki_Sakurai said: Yea so what? Piracy is not helping the industry. Is that something you can't comprehend? I never said piracy was the reason for Japan's financial predicament. You can't even understand a fucking sentence so what are you even doing here? Then that is still just as ignorant. Many people have bought products after pirating them first. Most people that are able to buy shows in their region already have some way of watching legally anyway. I'd go far as to say that the amount of sales.in which a person viewed it illegally and then bought a legitimate product based solely on watching it at all is less than 1% In sales. |
| because japanese TV channels no longer pay for the making of anime unlike in the 80s and 90s |
Tomoki_Sakurai said: Drunk_Samurai said: Then that is still just as ignorant. Many people have bought products after pirating them first. Most people that are able to buy shows in their region already have some way of watching legally anyway. I'd go far as to say that the amount of sales.in which a person viewed it illegally and then bought a legitimate product based solely on watching it at all is less than 1% In sales. I laughed at less than 1%. |
| I think it is also partly because the popular anime makes a lot of money, whereas the rest all suffer Not sure how reliable this website is, but http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view might help |
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Drunk_Samurai said: Tomoki_Sakurai said: Most people that are able to buy shows in their region already have some way of watching legally anyway. I'd go far as to say that the amount of sales.in which a person viewed it illegally and then bought a legitimate product based solely on watching it at all is less than 1% In sales. I laughed at less than 1%. Yea see your just an asshole that can't handle talking about anything that requires slight amounts of brain power. Nothing but quotes and one liners from you this entire time. So you wanna have a conversation then fine, but you obviously just want attention or trying to cause arguments. |
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Tomoki_Sakurai said: Yea see your just an asshole that can't handle talking about anything that requires slight amounts of brain power. Nothing but quotes and one liners from you this entire time. So you wanna have a conversation then fine, but you obviously just want attention or trying to cause arguments. You're the one who is assuming every single download is a lost sale. It's ridiculous to also claim that the amount of sales from piracy is less than 1%. Anime and manga itself wouldn't be as popular as it is now without piracy either. I'm also not claiming it's a large amount but it's definitely much higher than less than 1%. More people wouldn't buy the products in the first place than the ones who pirated then later bought. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Tomoki_Sakurai said: Yea see your just an asshole that can't handle talking about anything that requires slight amounts of brain power. Nothing but quotes and one liners from you this entire time. So you wanna have a conversation then fine, but you obviously just want attention or trying to cause arguments. You're the one who is assuming every single download is a lost sale. It's ridiculous to also claim that the amount of sales from piracy is less than 1%. Anime and manga itself wouldn't be as popular as it is now without piracy either. I'm also not claiming it's a large amount but it's definitely much higher than less than 1%. More people wouldn't buy the products in the first place than the ones who pirated then later bought. This is more true internationally. Within Japan, it could be a completely different story, as most sales come from within Japan for obvious reasons. Very few anime have international sales as their target. Piracy, in my opinion, has definitely improved international sales, as it's promotion, and there ARE people who want to support creators they like. While it's true that's not the majority, much of that majority would not have bought the anime in the first place. I've steered away from piracy, myself, and mostly use legal streaming, but I admit piracy is what first introduced me to anime as a hobby. And even then, I buy many of the series I like regardless of whether they're available on streaming or not. |
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Comic_Sans said: Because anime was a mistake Good shit OP |
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offmodel said: I dug up an old post from Tokyopop's website I thought was worth looking at again: Digital technology has transformed many industries including publishing. This hit TOKYOPOP very hard since we didn’t have ebook rights to most of our series (except OEL). Unfortunately our Japanese licensors did not move fast enough to provide a legitimate alternative to piracy, and piracy shows no mercy. As a result, TOKYOPOP had to shut down its LA office and the licenses to Japanese titles expired, reverting to the Japanese licensors. What that means is TOKYOPOP is evolving as a company. I know many fans would prefer us to return to being a manga publisher like we were for most of our history. However, manga will never disappear – we will do what we can to deliver manga. I plan on experimenting with new ways to bring you Asian pop culture. Please keep an open mind – and give feedback (not just negative when you don’t like something but also positive when you like something) so we can tweak our approach. Straight from Tokyopop on that, no speculation needed. http://tokyopop.com/happy-new-year-and-new-site/ Even more proof that piracy is a service problem above anything else. If legal alternatives popped up around the time piracy gained ground, things might have looked different right now. Instead, media companies sat on their asses for well over a decade while offering nothing in return. And still they wonder why people started acquiring shows through non-legal means. |
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AO968 said: Where does this "over a decade" figure come from? If we start from the beginnings of digital fansubbing around mid-2000, we only have to go to late 2007 to find efforts to provide legal alternatives. Well under a decade. And now that there are legal alternatives, we've seen the classic goalposts-moving out of the pirate scene. "We need a legal alternative to view airing anime." "No, we need a legal alternative to view airing anime that does A, B, C, D... X, Y, and Z, has all anime ever made available in every last forsaken* corner of the world in perfect 8K uncensored quality all downloadable at lightning-fast speeds for a very low subscription fee (not paid per-episode) with no DRM." Or in other words, "piracy is a service problem" = "surrender everything and let us keep doing the equivalent of piracy without the threat of legal consequences."Even more proof that piracy is a service problem above anything else. If legal alternatives popped up around the time piracy gained ground, things might have looked different right now. Instead, media companies sat on their asses for well over a decade while offering nothing in return. And still they wonder why people started acquiring shows through non-legal means. *Because apparently it's "selfish" for people who live in areas where legal alternatives are available to actually use them. |
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AO968 said: offmodel said: I dug up an old post from Tokyopop's website I thought was worth looking at again: Straight from Tokyopop on that, no speculation needed. http://tokyopop.com/happy-new-year-and-new-site/ Even more proof that piracy is a service problem above anything else. If legal alternatives popped up around the time piracy gained ground, things might have looked different right now. Instead, media companies sat on their asses for well over a decade while offering nothing in return. And still they wonder why people started acquiring shows through non-legal means. Anime piracy in general has been around for almost 4 decades with digital piracy being around since the late 90's. |
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Praland said: Because lolis and moe. |
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offmodel said: I dug up an old post from Tokyopop's website I thought was worth looking at again: Digital technology has transformed many industries including publishing. This hit TOKYOPOP very hard since we didn’t have ebook rights to most of our series (except OEL). Unfortunately our Japanese licensors did not move fast enough to provide a legitimate alternative to piracy, and piracy shows no mercy. As a result, TOKYOPOP had to shut down its LA office and the licenses to Japanese titles expired, reverting to the Japanese licensors. What that means is TOKYOPOP is evolving as a company. I know many fans would prefer us to return to being a manga publisher like we were for most of our history. However, manga will never disappear – we will do what we can to deliver manga. I plan on experimenting with new ways to bring you Asian pop culture. Please keep an open mind – and give feedback (not just negative when you don’t like something but also positive when you like something) so we can tweak our approach. Straight from Tokyopop on that, no speculation needed. http://tokyopop.com/happy-new-year-and-new-site/ The companies all blame piracy. They all consider 100% of downloads a lost sale. |
| This just shows the west is not interested in old anime, sad really :'( http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/06/23-1/everything-must-go-anime-sols-stock-liquidation-at-rightstufcom |
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ichii_1 said: This just shows the west is not interested in old anime, sad really :'( http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/06/23-1/everything-must-go-anime-sols-stock-liquidation-at-rightstufcom Not a very good liquidation sale if it's only $20 off. |
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Lancehot said: Drunk_Samurai said: Not a very good liquidation sale if it's only $20 off. I read that their rational is they (the Japanese parent companies) would rather destroy stock than "devalue" their IP. Ironic considering their IP didn't have enough value to sell in the first place. It's a shitty thing to do in general. I don't like the idea of shit getting destroyed just because it doesn't sell. Should be sold for much cheaper or given away so that somebody can enjoy it somewhere. I prefer owning a physical copy than a digital copy if I'm buying something. But even physical copies are cheap as fuck now compared to what they use to be. No games come with instruction booklets even with a physical copy like they use to and it's a shitty thing to do. |
| why doesnt japan try to sell/market anime series outside japan ? It seems that stuff like death note and SnK are quite popular world wide. |
| Blame it on Shaft studio for everything |
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juicykitten95 said: why doesnt japan try to sell/market anime series outside japan ? It seems that stuff like death note and SnK are quite popular world wide. Even if they sell all the episodes in one box set for $30, people would still complain it's too expensive and not buy it anyway. It's not the price, it's the westerners. |
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ichii_1 said: juicykitten95 said: why doesnt japan try to sell/market anime series outside japan ? It seems that stuff like death note and SnK are quite popular world wide. Even if they sell all the episodes in one box set for $30, people would still complain it's too expensive and not buy it anyway. It's not the price, it's the westerners. That's complete bullshit and you know it. An entire series for $30 is incredibly cheap. |
Drunk_Samurai said: ichii_1 said: Even if they sell all the episodes in one box set for $30, people would still complain it's too expensive and not buy it anyway. It's not the price, it's the westerners. That's complete bullshit and you know it. An entire series for $30 is incredibly cheap. You have $30 to spare on "stupid chinese cartoons you can get for free?" and even if they did buy it it wouldn't be anywhere near enough to turn a profit. |
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ichii_1 said: Drunk_Samurai said: That's complete bullshit and you know it. An entire series for $30 is incredibly cheap. You have $30 to spare on "stupid chinese cartoons you can get for free?" and even if they did buy it it wouldn't be anywhere near enough to turn a profit. That would be the anime industry's fault for the system being shitty in Japan. |
MaskTai87 said: Because everything MUST sell, no exceptions. There is no room for people to do what they want to do at a huge risk. This post makes no sense. |
CrimBlacklotus said: Is it because of Japan's economy? Don't think its in a bad shape :p |
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| Technically the industry as a whole is in much better shape than it ever has been. Since 2013 was the highest grossing year for anime ever recorded, 2014 I believe is right up there too. The quality of recent anime is totally opinion based. But, anime industry is NOT dying any time soon and is not showing any signs of dying. |
| The anime industry IS NOT in bad shape ._. Idk where the hell you got that from. |
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davinci12 said: Technically the industry as a whole is in much better shape than it ever has been. Since 2013 was the highest grossing year for anime ever recorded, 2014 I believe is right up there too. The quality of recent anime is totally opinion based. But, anime industry is NOT dying any time soon and is not showing any signs of dying. I agree with you. Since 2013 there have been more shows than ever released per season. Some people will argue that quality > quantity , while I can't completely disagree with them, the quality of recent anime is opinion based. And I also think that studios still try to make good stuff,it's just that in order to get money for it they need to make 3 cheap LN adaptations first. (not that I dislike LN adaptations,but I think that's roughly how the industry works haha) |
| The way I see it, it's simple... Japan's anime industry is too ethnocentric in a sense. They only care about their own culture and don't care to create anime that will appeal to an audience outside of Japan. Granted, I don't think Japan's anime industry is "in that bad of shape," but it does feel like they are missing out on some big time marketing opportunities if they'd create more anime that appeals to people globally and not so much Japan. Also, anime has this stigma now that "Japanese cartoons are weird" by the "normal" masses because even as a hardcore anime fan, I'll agree...anime is weird. Sometimes that is reason why it is so entertaining (like Nichijou), but the casual fan isn't going to enjoy the "weirdness" of anime. |
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