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Dug_Fin said: Clefairiess said: I don't quite get the ending, I forgot what is up with red pendant? For the love of all that is holy, don't try to look it up online, its a huge spoiler, just keep watching the show and it will make sense. Okay. thank you very much for not spoiling it for me! |
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CookingPriest said: chaosflame5 said: So you mean the deaths of those maids weren't as gory as in the VN? Or did I misread something here...? We never see them in UBW in VN at all. Maybe I misunderstand, are you saying that the maids aren't in UBW in VN at all? Because they are (even though theirs scenes are anime only.) |
Guilek said: CookingPriest said: We never see them in UBW in VN at all. Maybe I misunderstand, are you saying that the maids aren't in UBW in VN at all? Because they are (even though theirs scenes are anime only.) Pretty sure they mean the death scenes themselves. |
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astroprogs said: HungryPriest said: He has been acting suicidal every night in the shed, tbh. True, but that's an everyday thing for him. He doesn't feel bad about it and make the O.O face every time he practices magic. That face is triggered only by his PTSD. Plenty of things trigger him in normal life. We are talking about dude who has only dreamt the same single dream every night for last 10 years. And he IS suicidal. Just to simpler degree. Ex: Agreeing to clean the dojo in prologue, fixing things for others, working overtime, etc - it is no different from what he does in the war, but on smaller scope Also yeah, his training. As far as I know, playing Russian roulette every night counts as being suicidal. Shirou does not need this war to be triggered or to act the way he does. It is the ONLY way he can act at all. He has just as many chances to die saving a random cat by getting in front of a car as he does in this war. It is the only way he can live. So no. He has not been "living normally" I do agree that the war triggers him though. And it makes him "easier" to function to the point of relief/happiness(too bad anime decided to focus on random fucking statue in the rejoice scene) Too bad we never got ANYTHING beyond "Oh man the fire somehow messed with his head and he feels guilty" in anime so far, so anime viewers will never be able to understand him nor like him. I'd rather trade all the "oh man Ive seen some shit" faces ufo spends time animating in favor of a look inside of his head and his ideology and psychology - the things that actually matter. At best we can hope for some cheaply made episode long flashback for him or something(basically giving him the same treatment as freaking minor characters like Illya), but even that I doubt will happen. Why? Because by this point we should already know that and the focus should already be on "how that should or would change due to what he is experiencing in this war" Alas. People turning into gatorade seems to be more important to this production staff. |
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CookingPriest said: astroprogs said: True, but that's an everyday thing for him. He doesn't feel bad about it and make the O.O face every time he practices magic. That face is triggered only by his PTSD. Plenty of things trigger him in normal life. We are talking about dude who has only dreamt the same single dream every night for last 10 years. And he IS suicidal. Just to simpler degree. Ex: Agreeing to clean the dojo in prologue, fixing things for others, working overtime, etc - it is no different from what he does in the war, but on smaller scope Also yeah, his training. As far as I know, playing Russian roulette every night counts as being suicidal. Shirou does not need this war to be triggered or to act the way he does. It is the ONLY way he can act at all. He has just as many chances to die saving a random cat by getting in front of a car as he does in this war. It is the only way he can live. So no. He has not been "living normally" I do agree that the war triggers him though. And it makes him "easier" to function to the point of relief/happiness(too bad anime decided to focus on random fucking statue in the rejoice scene) Too bad we never got ANYTHING beyond "Oh man the fire somehow messed with his head and he feels guilty" in anime so far, so anime viewers will never be able to understand him nor like him. I'd rather trade all the "oh man Ive seen some shit" faces ufo spends time animating in favor of a look inside of his head and his ideology and psychology - the things that actually matter. At best we can hope for some cheaply made episode long flashback for him or something(basically giving him the same treatment as freaking minor characters like Illya), but even that I doubt will happen. Alas. People turning into gatorade seems to be more important to this production staff. Well, to be fair, its got electrolytes!! |
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CookingPriest said: Ex: Agreeing to clean the dojo in prologue, fixing things for others, working overtime, etc - it is no different from what he does in the war, but on smaller scope Or doing an holding breath underwater contest and almost passing out due to lack of oxygen. He can take choking and pass it as normal. "Hm, water is starting to go in. Oh and it's getting darker. Guess I'll stay under a bit longer." This nigga... |
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CookingPriest said: Plenty of things trigger him in normal life. We are talking about dude who has only dreamt the same single dream every night for last 10 years. And he IS suicidal. Just to simpler degree. Ex: Agreeing to clean the dojo in prologue, fixing things for others, working overtime, etc - it is no different from what he does in the war, but on smaller scope Also yeah, his training. As far as I know, playing Russian roulette every night counts as being suicidal. Shirou does not need this war to be triggered or to act the way he does. It is the ONLY way he can act at all. He has just as many chances to die saving a random cat by getting in front of a car as he does in this war. It is the only way he can live. So no. He has not been "living normally" It's the face I'm talking about, though. Shirou wishes to help everybody, but he never had a chance to risk his life to do that before the war. Yes, if the situation required it he'll do it, war or not, but that kind of situation didn't happen before the war. Suicidal training was for the general purpose of helping people, so he uses it to fill the void inside himself. He does NOT do it because he's triggered. To clarify, the emptiness inside of him is a symptom NOT the disease, so Shirou doesn't get PTSD flashbacks every time he sees someone in need. He does get PTSD flasbacks when something happens that reminds him of the fire (death). It's how he can remain functional. If people saw his suicidal side, he wouldn't have had that reputation. Shirou wasn't normal, but he had a normal life. |
HungryPriest said: CookingPriest said: Ex: Agreeing to clean the dojo in prologue, fixing things for others, working overtime, etc - it is no different from what he does in the war, but on smaller scope Or doing an holding breath underwater contest and almost passing out due to lack of oxygen. He can take choking and pass it as normal. "Hm, water is starting to go in. Oh and it's getting darker. Guess I'll stay under a bit longer." This nigga... As funny as it sounds, yes. Not having self preservation or any care for your wellbeing can lead to an end even without a magic war, deadly magic training or impossible ideals. And shirou has all of those too. astroprogs said: It's how he can remain functional. If people saw his suicidal side, he wouldn't have had that reputation. He does have the "wow you are somehow fucked up/too good" reputation as shown by Issei's and Ayakos reactions. Shirou wasn't normal, but he had a normal life. He tried to emulate one. But it was in no way normal. On surface it might seem so, but it clearly was not considering how he approaches interactions. |
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CookingPriest said: He tried to emulate one. But it was in no way normal. On surface it might seem so, but it clearly was not considering how he approaches interactions. Agreed, and on a completely different note, I just remembered why that gif of shinji in your sig. seemed so familar, for those who are interested here: https://danbooru.donmai.us/data/46d35931e124cf66a66d6ef60f746622.swf |
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| It's easy to see that Shirou's life was never normal to begin with. Heck, even a regular classmate like Ayako noticed how he isn't normal by any means. He just tried to act normal, but once push came to shove, he always acted suicidal and never considering the dangers he himself would face. As long as he helped another individual, that was enough for him. Not worrying about one self at all is what makes him "broken". And it has to do with how he's portrayed, not just the fact that he is broken. The problem here is that Ufo didn't really showcase Shirou as well as they should've, since his problems go farther than just regular PTSD, and the trigger is everyday events, though the war is obviously the strongest trigger. That's why F/SN is a character study built around Shirou for the most part, with the death game being just a tool for that exploration, for the most part. I can't blame anime-onlies for saying that F/Sn is a generic death game though, because character-wise, it skipped too many improtant things. We can only hope for an episode about Shirou at this point, like CookingPriest said. |
CookingPriest said: He does have the "wow you are somehow fucked up/too good" reputation as shown by Issei's and Ayakos reactions. That's not the same as "Get away from us you abnormal freak". CookingPriest said: He tried to emulate one. But it was in no way normal. On surface it might seem so, but it clearly was not considering how he approaches interactions. 'Normal' is purely about the surface. Being seemingly over thoughtful and helpful to others doesn't fall outside the norm. People classify each others based on behavior, not inner thoughts. As long as you act normal, then you're normal to people. |
Dug_Fin said: CookingPriest said: He tried to emulate one. But it was in no way normal. On surface it might seem so, but it clearly was not considering how he approaches interactions. Agreed, and on a completely different note, I just remembered why that gif of shinji in your sig. seemed so familar, for those who are interested here: https://danbooru.donmai.us/data/46d35931e124cf66a66d6ef60f746622.swf Thank you good sir, my day is complete. |
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YakshaPriest said: It's easy to see that Shirou's life was never normal to begin with. Heck, even a regular classmate like Ayako noticed how he isn't normal by any means. He just tried to act normal, but once push came to shove, he always acted suicidal and never considering the dangers he himself would face. As long as he helped another individual, that was enough for him. Not worrying about one self at all is what makes him "broken". And it has to do with how he's portrayed, not just the fact that he is broken. The problem here is that Ufo didn't really showcase Shirou as well as they should've, since his problems go farther than just regular PTSD, and the trigger is everyday events, though the war is obviously the strongest trigger. That's why F/SN is a character study built around Shirou for the most part, with the death game being just a tool for that exploration, for the most part. I can't blame anime-onlies for saying that F/Sn is a generic death game though, because character-wise, it skipped too many improtant things. We can only hope for an episode about Shirou at this point, like CookingPriest said. Agreed. The show just isn't developing him, as I would hoped. The adaptation skipped some parts and portrayed some scenes poorly. The one scene that irked me was when him and Tohsoka were talking and he suddenly had this empty look in his eyes like a robot. |
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Eylandos said: ..i actually liked his PTSD face...i was hoping for the scene to be longer since there isnt a whole lot to back it up. it was dissapointing how short the fire flashback was.Agreed. The show just isn't developing him, as I would hoped. The adaptation skipped some parts and portrayed some scenes poorly. The one scene that irked me was when him and Tohsoka were talking and he suddenly had this empty look in his eyes like a robot. |
Maloghurst said: Eylandos said: ..i actually liked his PTSD face...i was hoping for the scene to be longer since there isnt a whole lot to back it up. it was dissapointing how short the fire flashback was.Agreed. The show just isn't developing him, as I would hoped. The adaptation skipped some parts and portrayed some scenes poorly. The one scene that irked me was when him and Tohsoka were talking and he suddenly had this empty look in his eyes like a robot. The flashback needed to be longer and more buildup on why Shirou does what he does. The scene just felt off to me because viewers were scratching their head wondering what was going on. |
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Eylandos said: yes, they are just too few and small so they lack punch. lokking at how many episodes are left there is still a chance for shirou to get his. but i'm not holding my breath, it's just way late in the series to really drive it home with consistency. i wanna say this though.. also considering how many episodes left there is a chance they are really aiming to deliver hard on The Answer since it will either make this series or break it. this might just be hopeless optimism though.Maloghurst said: ..i actually liked his PTSD face...i was hoping for the scene to be longer since there isnt a whole lot to back it up. it was dissapointing how short the fire flashback was. The flashback needed to be longer and more buildup on why Shirou does what he does. The scene just felt off to me because viewers were scratching their head wondering what was going on. |
Eylandos said: Maloghurst said: ..i actually liked his PTSD face...i was hoping for the scene to be longer since there isnt a whole lot to back it up. it was dissapointing how short the fire flashback was. The flashback needed to be longer and more buildup on why Shirou does what he does. The scene just felt off to me because viewers were scratching their head wondering what was going on. I think they got what was going on, people were dying in a fire, I just don't think they got the extent of how wrong it was, what with |
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Maloghurst said: Eylandos said: yes, they are just too few and small so they lack punch. lokking at how many episodes are left there is still a chance for shirou to get his. but i'm not holding my breath, it's just way late in the series to really drive it home with consistency. i wanna say this though.. also considering how many episodes left there is a chance they are really aiming to deliver hard on The Answer since it will either make this series or break it. this might just be hopeless optimism though.The flashback needed to be longer and more buildup on why Shirou does what he does. The scene just felt off to me because viewers were scratching their head wondering what was going on. Hopeless optimism is certainly not wrong though, even as idealistic as it might be. |
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Eylandos said: Maloghurst said: ..i actually liked his PTSD face...i was hoping for the scene to be longer since there isnt a whole lot to back it up. it was dissapointing how short the fire flashback was. The flashback needed to be longer and more buildup on why Shirou does what he does. The scene just felt off to me because viewers were scratching their head wondering what was going on. Yep. I have seen people outright think that "he got traumatized for seeing someone die for first time" lol. You'd have to be a prophet to get Shirou's character in anime without VN knowledge. |
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Guranto-kun said: @the Opening, who's that guy after Lancer and before Assassin? the one who's raising his hands in the sky? 4 episodes now and I still don't know who it is lol. You mean...Caster? |
Guranto-kun said: @the Opening, who's that guy after Lancer and before Assassin? the one who's raising his hands in the sky? 4 episodes now and I still don't know who it is lol. That would be Caster. Her hair length is kinda inconsistent in the opening. |
Insertanamehere said: Guranto-kun said: @the Opening, who's that guy after Lancer and before Assassin? the one who's raising his hands in the sky? 4 episodes now and I still don't know who it is lol. You mean...Caster? DamnThatsTheSpot said: Guranto-kun said: @the Opening, who's that guy after Lancer and before Assassin? the one who's raising his hands in the sky? 4 episodes now and I still don't know who it is lol. That would be Caster. Her hair length is kinda inconsistent in the opening. oh makes sense and its "She" not "He" lol sorry. thanks btw i feel like i got trolled for four weeks lmao |
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Grey-Zone said: Dr. Gil 2.0 is released! Time for Yuetsu! "SEE! YOU FAILED !! NOTHING HAPPENED!" LMFAO "(AH-CHOO)" I almost died there. This is pure gold. |
Jsmithmim said: Ovarall 8.8/10 for me..little slow to start..hope it gets better...hoping that gilgamesh has less screen time in the next 4 episodes...he ruins the balance of power of other servants.. Don't worry ;) |
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TrueHaremKing said: i don't understand what's the problem with fate community;14 pages of comments which 70% is made from people who compare the episodes with Vn. Is it so difficult for you to understand that people came here to comment episode, AND NOT To COMPARE to your fuccking VN? Btw that episode was full of rin kawai faces Luna_ said: [b]THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION THREAD. DO NOT DISCUSS THE VISUAL NOVEL BEYOND THIS EPISODE. - This thread is only about this episode / this anime. If you want to discuss (future) events in the VN or Fate/Zero, compare the anime with the VN or Fate/Zero etc. please use separate threads. - Do not spam in this thread. This isn't a chat thread or your twitter. - Do not ask where to watch this episode or post links to the episode. - Trolling/baiting/abuse/harassment will not be tolerated. For more information see the Anime Series Episode Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.[/b] >Implying Dr. Gilgamesh is not related to the episode, lulz. |
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TrueHaremKing said: i don't understand what's the problem with fate community;14 pages of comments which 70% is made from people who compare the episodes with Vn. Is it so difficult for you to understand that people came here to comment episode, AND NOT To COMPARE to your fuccking VN? Btw that episode was full of rin kawai faces Luna_ said: [b]THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION THREAD. DO NOT DISCUSS THE VISUAL NOVEL BEYOND THIS EPISODE. - This thread is only about this episode / this anime. If you want to discuss (future) events in the VN or Fate/Zero, compare the anime with the VN or Fate/Zero etc. please use separate threads. - Do not spam in this thread. This isn't a chat thread or your twitter. - Do not ask where to watch this episode or post links to the episode. - Trolling/baiting/abuse/harassment will not be tolerated. For more information see the Anime Series Episode Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.[/b] It says "not beyond this episode". Everything up to this point in the VN is fair game. Also, comparing an adaptation to a VN is very fair since an adaptation is a translation of a work to a different medium. Here we talk about whether the adaptation is a good translation or not. |
Kolios said: It says "not beyond this episode". Everything up to this point in the VN is fair game. Also, comparing an adaptation to a VN is very fair since an adaptation is a translation of a work to a different medium. Here we talk about whether the adaptation is a good translation or not. Luna_ said: - This thread is only about this episode / this anime. If you want to discuss (future) events in the VN or Fate/Zero, compare the anime with the VN or Fate/Zero etc. please use separate threads. "Seperate Thread": http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1370090&show=550 |
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d4zednc0nfused said: UTW caught up! Praise The Lord! If they're going to be relatively quick I might just wait for them. |
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Gov said: Shirou and Rin just seem like the most off couple. They don't complement each other in my opinion. I see no fluidity in their interactions and their personalities don't mesh. Hopefully it is a side drama that hooks in the romance audience and nothing more. They have really bad sex too. |
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WrongPriest said: Gov said: Shirou and Rin just seem like the most off couple. They don't complement each other in my opinion. I see no fluidity in their interactions and their personalities don't mesh. Hopefully it is a side drama that hooks in the romance audience and nothing more. They have really bad sex too. Because Rin's a prude. |
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WrongPriest said: Gov said: Shirou and Rin just seem like the most off couple. They don't complement each other in my opinion. I see no fluidity in their interactions and their personalities don't mesh. Hopefully it is a side drama that hooks in the romance audience and nothing more. They have really bad sex too. Shirou can have sex? You learn something new something everyday. |
Gov said: you must be really out of the loop dude. not that it's a bad thing. when you get pulled in you get pulled into a spiral of madness...doomed to endless cycles of drowning in yuetsu.WrongPriest said: They have really bad sex too. Shirou can have sex? You learn something new something everyday. |
Maloghurst said: Gov said: you must be really out of the loop dude. not that it's a bad thing. when you get pulled in you get pulled into a spiral of madness...doomed to endless cycles of drowning in yuetsu.Shirou can have sex? You learn something new something everyday. *cringes and logs off* |
Gov said: no gov...come back...come backMaloghurst said: you must be really out of the loop dude. not that it's a bad thing. when you get pulled in you get pulled into a spiral of madness...doomed to endless cycles of drowning in yuetsu. *cringes and logs off* |
Gov said: Shirou and Rin just seem like the most off couple. They don't complement each other in my opinion. I see no fluidity in their interactions and their personalities don't mesh. Hopefully it is a side drama that hooks in the romance audience and nothing more. Maybe it's just me but i feel this is the fault of the adaptation. VN Makes it seem more natural imho :/ |
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TheUnknownMerc said: Yeah, same here.Gov said: Shirou and Rin just seem like the most off couple. They don't complement each other in my opinion. I see no fluidity in their interactions and their personalities don't mesh. Hopefully it is a side drama that hooks in the romance audience and nothing more. Maybe it's just me but i feel this is the fault of the adaptation. VN Makes it seem more natural imho :/ In the VN out of the three possible romances Shirou x Rin came across as the healthiest and most natural one, and not just because the other two were poop. Their interactions were always entertaining (at least as much as Rin's dialogues with Archer), and you could clearly see how well they complimented each other. I blame the adaptation for making Shirou too passive and clueless, cause in the VN a fair amount of teasing came from his side, and you don't really see that in the animu. So it's no wonder their relationship might come off as bland or unengaging. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: i was contemplating responding to Gov as to why the Rin/Shirou pairy works and how it plays on UBW's theme. This episode illustrated it but doesnt really have much backup to it to make it more natural. I can understand were Gov is coming from i just can't agree with him knowing what i know, at least not wholeheartedly.Gov said: Shirou and Rin just seem like the most off couple. They don't complement each other in my opinion. I see no fluidity in their interactions and their personalities don't mesh. Hopefully it is a side drama that hooks in the romance audience and nothing more. Maybe it's just me but i feel this is the fault of the adaptation. VN Makes it seem more natural imho :/ |
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