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KamiAlice said: TheGilgamesh said: A character that is boring and hasn`t got any type of personality is a bad character , this is a obviously reality Not it's not obvious reality. Here i'll put it simple I DISAGREE WITH YOU. I just shattered what you called obvious, I just disputed your reality, therefore you are not being objective. It's your opinion, your opinion isn't a fact. You don't decide what I like or dislike, therefore you can't say it's obvious. But dawg... there's this thing going around called SHIT TASTE. Once you've got it, objective failure of all your character arguments confirmed. |
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ANGRY2011 said: Lol, I have to admit, I didn't even think of it from the "aldnoah-gifted offspring" angle. Actually though, I don't want to see Slaine do anything underhanded to Lemrina anymore. I don't like it. I just thought about the way Slaine could hold the power (I think about silly stuff while washing dishes -_-). Lemrina can blackmail him or leave him, and it's dangerous to have one person with aldnoah (the king is half dead and is on Mars anyway and I was working under assumption that they became clever and killed Asseylum). So the only way would to have offsprings fast. That secures the bloodline, makes Lemrina more attached (possibly) and created an aldnoah person for Slaine to control through family ties just in case. But I agree that he should be nicer to Lemrina (and spare her feelings by lying that he does stuff for her). She can ruin him if desperate. And why not - it's not that you can't have a freindly conversation with a lady if you have a crush. skudoops said: All of that is fine, but the mech design was my main issue. With a power like that you'd assume that they'd reduce the bulk on the mech and make it fast no? Definitely. It is protected by a field, not an armor, so why not make it mobile? The weak spot was lame too. But as you said skudoops said: That's a general trend of the show though, the mech designs don't make sense at all most of the time. The only classy looking one was the laser kat, but sadly it is gone without much impact. Even Dioscuria is silly. Orlaine's kat was more or less impressive. |
deadoptimistFeb 21, 2015 2:47 PM
skudoops said: There does, that's why the princess had to go into the control room in sausbamms castle to deactivate it. Which lead to her being shot. Still since many martians are loyal to the princess, Slaine now has the right to order them to attack anyone who opposes him. Meaning that they'll just gang up on anyone who doesn't follow his orders. The big thing is he now can make those orders because the princess said people should follow his words as her own. To betray him is to betray the princess. There is no need to deativate it when he can just kill them, plus now Slaine can give Aldnoah powered mechs to those he trusts. For example Harklight now has one of his own. That means it's harder for rebels to fight against him when he has more support. The emperor was shown, mostly on his death bed this episode. We might get some more on him in the coming episodes. Whether he sides with Slaine or opposes him is yet to be seen. ANGRY2011 said: But dawg... there's this thing going around called SHIT TASTE. Once you've got it, objective failure of all your character arguments confirmed. Haha damn can't beat that logic now can we. |
KamiCityFeb 21, 2015 2:50 PM
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CookingPriest said: fst said: so wait, is Slaine gonna have a threesome or what? Inaho Will 8D Both princesses team up and run away to Inaho. Slaine slits his wrists. They should have a foursome. Share the love. |
fst said: CookingPriest said: Inaho Will 8D Both princesses team up and run away to Inaho. Slaine slits his wrists. They should have a foursome. Share the love. Hey woah, careful now. seujair is watching, and we know he is an expert on Slaine/Inaho pairings in the fandom. I don't want you to call him down upon us. |
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TheGilgamesh said: Come on , give me a reason , an evidence why Kirito or Inaho have good personality , only one I only want one evidence of then . An evidence why they are the greatest characters . An evidence where they have personality Development can be either instantanous (which is what you are refering to), or gradual (which you have appearantly missed completely). Inaho is mostly gradually developed, in the first cour interacting with princess and in the 2nd cour applying the experiences he gained through her (like being able to show his emotions on his face). Just because it's not the holywood style SHOCK development, does not mean it's bad writing. You want a completely undeveloped character, I show you one: Tokiomi from Fate/Zero. |
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fst said: They should have a foursome. Share the love. Or, they can throw in Harlight. He would go any way for work. And there is the whole Inaho's harem for a full-fledged orgy. That would be the best possible ending, actually. |
fst said: Actually wait, I just thought of something. How does sex with a cripple work?! I mean, can she even feel shit down there? Wait, let me check it. 16th page. So this episode was good - we got here fast. I guess, it depends. The bathroom scene shows that she is outwardly intact (no ugly injuries). And she can jump. So she probably can. |
fst said: Actually wait, I just thought of something. How does sex with a cripple work?! I mean, can she even feel shit down there? We are approaching the most important questions the show has to offer us now. It only took 7 episodes, but the Aldnoah.Zero discussion is finally becoming what it always should have been. |
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fst said: Actually wait, I just thought of something. How does sex with a cripple work?! I mean, can she even feel shit down there? I thought she still had function of her legs, just that they weren't strong enough to support her. She can walk and move around in zero gravity, meaning she still has some function in them. |
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deadoptimist said: fst said: Actually wait, I just thought of something. How does sex with a cripple work?! I mean, can she even feel shit down there? Wait, let me check it. 16th page. So this episode was good - we got here fast. I guess, it depends. The bathroom scene shows that she is intect outwardly. And she can jump. So she probably can. aww yiss But wait, I guess that means they have to do in in microgravity ... AWW YISS |
TheGilgamesh said: For example , I don`t like Kira (Light) , but he is a good character . Inaho and Kirito are boring characters that like because they are a pro fighters . You can like this character , but he / she will continue be a bad character So you are saying Inaho is a bad character because you don't like him. Yea that's not objective observation, it's still subjective. As greyzone pointed out, Inaho has a personality and it is being developed. That is objective observation. It is there, and it is a fact. If you choose to ignore it, it doesn't make it any less true. |
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fst said: deadoptimist said: Wait, let me check it. 16th page. So this episode was good - we got here fast. I guess, it depends. The bathroom scene shows that she is intect outwardly. And she can jump. So she probably can. aww yiss But wait, I guess that means they have to do in in microgravity ... AWW YISS I mean, you do know that even if she was completely crippled, it wouldn't actually have to change the way intercourse worked, right? It'd mostly just suck a lot for her, and the overall experience would be pretty bleh. |
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fst said: deadoptimist said: Wait, let me check it. 16th page. So this episode was good - we got here fast. I guess, it depends. The bathroom scene shows that she is intect outwardly. And she can jump. So she probably can. aww yiss But wait, I guess that means they have to do in in microgravity ... AWW YISS Now I'm wondering how great sex would be in microgravity..... |
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ANGRY2011 said: fst said: aww yiss But wait, I guess that means they have to do in in microgravity ... AWW YISS I mean, you do know that even if she was completely crippled, it wouldn't actually have to change the way intercourse worked, right? It'd mostly just suck a lot for her, and the overall experience would be pretty bleh. I don't know about you, but I'm not into fucking a dead horse. KamiAlice said: fst said: aww yiss But wait, I guess that means they have to do in in microgravity ... AWW YISS Now I'm wondering how great sex would be in microgravity..... Aldnoah subforums, where we ponder the serious questions of our times. I mean... astronauts on the ISS... do they ever bang? do they ever jerk it? what's that like?! brb gotta tweet cmdr Hadfield |
fst said: But wait, I guess that means they have to do in in microgravity Hm, I think that I read somewhere that sex (at least the impregnation) is problematic in zero g. Makes sense, cause liquids etc. So they'll have to do it in places with gravity. Edit: I guess, it would be hard to control movements, liquids may spread in a weird way, and the spermatozoons would get confused. But we don't know if she is in pain or if her bones are good (btw, her illness can be the resul of her being brought up on the moon without proper concern for her muscles and bones development), so they may need to practise caution. But she is cute and disabled people are a fetish, so Slaine may be able to cope (or ask Harklight to cheer really hard). Anyways, they can't have too much sex, since they need pregnancy. |
deadoptimistFeb 21, 2015 3:01 PM
fst said: I don't know about you, but I'm not into fucking a dead horse. Hey man, I said it would suck, but she wouldn't be DEAD. Lol. deadoptimist said: Anyways, they can't have too much sex, since they need pregnancy. Wouldn't that mean they'd need more sex? |
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KamiAlice said: TheGilgamesh said: A character that is boring and hasn`t got any type of personality is a bad character , this is a obviously reality Not it's not obvious reality. Here i'll put it simple I DISAGREE WITH YOU. I just shattered what you called obvious, I just disputed your reality, therefore you are not being objective. It's your opinion, your opinion isn't a fact. You don't decide what I like or dislike, therefore you can't say it's obvious. No, he's being objective, you're trying to turn a fact into an opinion. You can say that 2+2=banana however much you like, but the facts will never change. |
ANGRY2011 said: fst said: I don't know about you, but I'm not into fucking a dead horse. Hey man, I said it would suck, but she wouldn't be DEAD. Lol. She'd be dead from the waist down and that's all that matters. Sage advice from a friend of mine: "Cover the face, fuck the waist" |
ANGRY2011 said: deadoptimist said: Anyways, they can't have too much sex, since they need pregnancy. Wouldn't that mean they'd need more sex? Yeah, but for a limited period of time, if they are sucessful. I mean, even if Slaine doesn't like it, he has several months of freedom to look forward to. (damn, discussing the fine points of sex with a disabled person in space. that's some good stuff) |
TheGilgamesh said: To begin , Inaho never has got any type of personality . How can he development if he never has got any type of personality? Do you see any difference between the personality of the first Inaho and the current Inaho? Tokiomi is one of the less developed characters in Fate Zero certainly , but he at least has personality . Inaho and Kirito lack of this What is a "personality" to you? EDIT: I say: Inaho has a stoic personality. Now tell me why I am suppsedly wrong with that. |
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Casval_onii-san said: KamiAlice said: Not it's not obvious reality. Here i'll put it simple I DISAGREE WITH YOU. I just shattered what you called obvious, I just disputed your reality, therefore you are not being objective. It's your opinion, your opinion isn't a fact. You don't decide what I like or dislike, therefore you can't say it's obvious. No, he's being objective, you're trying to turn a fact into an opinion. You can say that 2+2=banana however much you like, but the facts will never change. How exactly is that a fact. In order for it to be a fact you have to provide indisputable evidence to support it. Do it, give me indisputable evidence. I want to see it. Prove to me beyond a reason of a doubt that a character is a bad character if he has little to no personality. Actually define bad character in an objective manner. Meaning without personal preference, beliefs, or bias. Yea NO he's being subjective. It's all based on his beliefs, and his opinions. They are not facts, provide that indisputable evidence if it is fact. |
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fst said: ANGRY2011 said: Hey man, I said it would suck, but she wouldn't be DEAD. Lol. She'd be dead from the waist down and that's all that matters. Sage advice from a friend of mine: "Cover the face, fuck the waist" Ahhhhhhhhh, alright then, I see where you are coming from. You DID ask about the mechanics though. Carry on then. TheGilgamesh said: Tokiomi is one of the less developed characters in Fate Zero certainly , but he at least has personality . Inaho and Kirito lack of this Look, I don't actually like Inaho all that much, partly because I think he's pretty boring. But you should probably give up on trying to objectively say he has no personality. He's serious and inexpressive, but those are personality traits already. We can also see he is confident in his own judgment and actions, and although not overflowing, that he cares about his friends and family. Say that's as dull as you want, but he isn't literally a machine. |
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KamiAlice said: Casval_onii-san said: No, he's being objective, you're trying to turn a fact into an opinion. You can say that 2+2=banana however much you like, but the facts will never change. How exactly is that a fact. In order for it to be a fact you have to provide indisputable evidence to support it. Do it, give me indisputable evidence. I want to see it. We have created an objective framework by which we judge literature. It is as objective as math. You can choose to judge by your own criteria but you'll be factually wrong. I suggest you read up on it before getting into discussions where you know nothing about the subject at hand. |
Casval_onii-san said: We have created an objective framework by which we judge literature. It is as objective as math. You can choose to judge by your own criteria but you'll be factually wrong. I suggest you read up on it before getting into discussions where you know nothing about the subject at hand. Inaho is stoic. That is a personality. Or will you argue that he is not stoic? |
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Casval_onii-san said: We have created an objective framework by which we judge literature. It is as objective as math. WOAH WOAH WOAH. Slow down man, I don't really care about anything else, but you can't just tell me anything where the word "judge" is used is as objective as math. Math just is. |
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Casval_onii-san said: KamiAlice said: How exactly is that a fact. In order for it to be a fact you have to provide indisputable evidence to support it. Do it, give me indisputable evidence. I want to see it. We have created an objective framework by which we judge literature. It is as objective as math. You can choose to judge by your own criteria but you'll be factually wrong. I suggest you read up on it before getting into discussions where you know nothing about the subject at hand. Yea NO, math is objective because it is Axiomatic. Meaning it proves itself. Although some philosophers will still argue that the concept of math itself is still subjective, that's an entirely different subject. Who's bias are you taking into account in your so called objective framework? Who's definition are you going by? Why do all experts disagree on what is and isn't good writing? It's still all based on subjective principles. |
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ANGRY2011 said: Casval_onii-san said: We have created an objective framework by which we judge literature. It is as objective as math. WOAH WOAH WOAH. Slow down man, I don't really care about anything else, but you can't just tell me anything where the word "judge" is used is as objective as math. Math just is. Actually, math is based on axioms, which are because some people said so. |
Grey-Zone said: Casval_onii-san said: We have created an objective framework by which we judge literature. It is as objective as math. You can choose to judge by your own criteria but you'll be factually wrong. I suggest you read up on it before getting into discussions where you know nothing about the subject at hand. Inaho is stoic. That is a personality. Or will you argue that he is not stoic? I did not say that Inaho doesn't have a personality. Read it again. "A character that is boring and hasn`t got any type of personality is a bad character , this is a obviously reality" |
KamiAlice said: Casval_onii-san said: We have created an objective framework by which we judge literature. It is as objective as math. You can choose to judge by your own criteria but you'll be factually wrong. I suggest you read up on it before getting into discussions where you know nothing about the subject at hand. Yea NO, math is objective because it is Axiomatic. Meaning it proves itself. Who's bias are you taking into account in your so called objective framework? Who's definition are you going by? Why do all experts disagree on what is and isn't good writing? It's still all based on subjective principles. Good and bad writing is axiomatic too, it's just that some people (you included) fail to see the obvious. |
Casval_onii-san said: Grey-Zone said: Inaho is stoic. That is a personality. Or will you argue that he is not stoic? I did not say that Inaho doesn't have a personality. Read it again. "A character that is boring and hasn`t got any type of personality is a bad character , this is a obviously reality" That is still based on personal preference, and bias. Casval_onii-san said: Good and bad writing is axiomatic too, it's just that some people (you included) fail to see the obvious. If it was so obvious, you wouldn't have any difficulty proving it to me. Prove it to me, don't make statements and expect people to find them credible with no back up. |
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fst said: ANGRY2011 said: WOAH WOAH WOAH. Slow down man, I don't really care about anything else, but you can't just tell me anything where the word "judge" is used is as objective as math. Math just is. Actually, math is based on axioms, which are because some people said so. Well, it is true that math is axiomatic. But I'd hardly say the reason is "because some people said so." |
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Zergneedsfood said: So Hime is gonna wake up soon? I look forward to her telling Slaine that he did nothing wrong. I think you're in the wrong episode thread, cause hime already woke up >.> ANGRY2011 said: fst said: Actually, math is based on axioms, which are because some people said so. Well, it is true that math is axiomatic. But I'd hardly say the reason is "because some people said so." Well, if you squint really hard, everything is "because some people said so" |
Zergneedsfood said: So Hime is gonna wake up soon? I look forward to her telling Slaine that he did nothing wrong. Uhhhm... |
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fst said: ANGRY2011 said: Well, it is true that math is axiomatic. But I'd hardly say the reason is "because some people said so." Well, if you squint really hard, everything is "because some people said so" In a completely serious way meaning no offense to you and not being sarcastic at all, I like this line. I think I'll throw it (or a version of it) around whenever it is convenient. |
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ANGRY2011 said: fst said: Actually, math is based on axioms, which are because some people said so. Well, it is true that math is axiomatic. But I'd hardly say the reason is "because some people said so." Well if you get into Ontology and Epistemology then even the objectivity is math is questioned, but that is getting pretty deep in the realm of metaphysics. Which questions the belief in reality itself. |
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ANGRY2011 said: fst said: Well, if you squint really hard, everything is "because some people said so" In a completely serious way meaning no offense to you and not being sarcastic at all, I like this line. I think I'll throw it (or a version of it) around whenever it is convenient. I try :3 |
KamiAlice said: ANGRY2011 said: Well, it is true that math is axiomatic. But I'd hardly say the reason is "because some people said so." Well if you get into Ontology and Epistemology then even the objectivity is math is questioned, but that is getting pretty deep in the realm of metaphysics. Which questions the belief in reality itself. Yes, but if you go out to that level, then we've effectively left the playing field of the current argument anyway. *shrug* |
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Casval_onii-san said: It is axiomatic. It doesn't need to be proven because it's so goddamn obvious. Jesus how dense are you people. Arguements like those aren't really helping your case. No axiomatic PROvES itself, the proof is still required. That means they are able to make a statement that is beyond a reason of a doubt. |
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| It was an alright episode, think i was expecting too much, then again it was obviously just a setup for the next episode, when things will probably pick up significantly, that said i have a little less disdain for lemuria, and alot more disdain for slaine thanks to this episode. Looking forward to next week. |
| What is even going on here? Anyway, great episode as always. Slaine doing everything right again. |
ANGRY2011 said: Yes, but if you go out to that level, then we've effectively left the playing field of the current argument anyway. *shrug* Yea I know, but still we can agree that "good writing" is based on subjective principles right? |
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KamiAlice said: ANGRY2011 said: Yes, but if you go out to that level, then we've effectively left the playing field of the current argument anyway. *shrug* Yea I know, but still we can agree that "good writing" is based on subjective principles right? I can agree that it certainly isn't on the same level as math. I can also understand that there are common conventions we use to indicate "good" and "bad" writing which are treated to as close to objective as any judgment can be. I'm unpersuaded thus so far that Inaho has no personality, even if I personally find him dull. |
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