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Jan 28, 2015 8:12 PM
#1
I hear people in my country of America saying, "anime is just nasty.. it's perverted, sick and twisted"... well... I agree, but it's not really something us westerners have the right to talk about. Lolicon is bad? Well... lolicon is kinda sick but still, it's better than toddlers in tiara's. and look at western adult animation. you mean to tell me anime is messed up and gross... but modern family guy, drawn together, south park, or Ren and Stimpy's adult party cartoon are okay? I'm not dissing western animation. A lot of it I really love. However, there's stuff in western cartoons that's just as bad as what's in anime. Just saying, so much of what people in America bash is already here in American animation. It's really not fair for people to be claiming anime is particularly more messed up than western cartoons. There's a shitty episode of family guy where peter tries to marry chris. There's bad jokes involving peter staring at a young boys as and Chris giving his grandpa a hand job... yet it's anime that's just completely messed up? American cartoons are different? bull... complete bull. and I'm not denying the sick twisted things I've seen in anime. I'm just saying Americans who watch things like toddlers in tiaras or most adult cartoons have no right to talk... and you know I rarely stick up for the gays... but people in America say "sakura cardcaptor has gays... that's innapropriate for children" Okay, I'm not disagreeing, if that's your view, but look at some of the shit that's in SpongeBob. I saw an episode of spongebob that encouraged stealing... literally. They were stealing from a hotel and got rewarded for it in the end. There's an episode where mr. crabs drives plankton to attempt suicide and yet is seen as the good guy in the end. If americans wanna diss anime kid shows... clean up the shit that's in our own country |
Jan 28, 2015 8:15 PM
#4
Is "lolicon" better than toddlers and tiaras? Society decides what is "messed up and gross", yanks just have a lot less exposure to animation than otaku dorks do and so they base their judgement on what is handed to them. Shows like the Simpsons and Archer through the television, and shows like Bible Black through porn sites, which side is "gross"? |
Jan 28, 2015 8:15 PM
#5
toddlers in tiaras is pretty shit but there is "loli/shota" anime porn so... its directly catering to pedophiles |
Jan 28, 2015 8:15 PM
#6
F0XFIRE said: South Park>Chinese Cartoons. I like southpark... I'm not dissing south park. I just can't understand how people can watch it and still say anime is disgusting. |
Jan 28, 2015 8:16 PM
#7
Well there are no naked lolis in American cartoons and tentacles so I think anime has the edge. |
Jan 28, 2015 8:16 PM
#8
Anyone who thinks the majority of anime is perverted and twisted are either retarded or oblivious hypocrites. Nuff said. |
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Jan 28, 2015 8:16 PM
#9
marriage said: toddlers in tiaras is pretty shit but there is "loli/shota" anime porn so... its directly catering to pedophiles yea... and loli/shota porn is messed up. But atleast it objectifies fictional characters rather than real kids |
Jan 28, 2015 8:18 PM
#10
DrGeroCreation said: Well there are no naked lolis in American cartoons and tentacles so I think anime has the edge. There were scenes in south park where kids were nude. And atleast in anime it's just nudity some times. Nudity isn't a big deal. They showed goku's dick because they didn't consider nudity to be too big of a deal. Not to be perverted. There's a cutscene from "south park stick of truth" where a young boy gets an anal abortion. |
Jan 28, 2015 8:20 PM
#11
silversongwriter said: marriage said: toddlers in tiaras is pretty shit but there is "loli/shota" anime porn so... its directly catering to pedophiles yea... and loli/shota porn is messed up. But atleast it objectifies fictional characters rather than real kids They still represent kids, and people who deny it are just sugarcoating pedophilia toddlers and tiaras is mostly weird, obsessive parents living through their children though. but yeah theyre also sexualized when they make them look like adults YorozuyaGinSan said: Is "lolicon" better than toddlers and tiaras? Society decides what is "messed up and gross", yanks just have a lot less exposure to animation than otaku dorks do and so they base their judgement on what is handed to them. Shows like the Simpsons and Archer through the television, and shows like Bible Black through porn sites, which side is "gross"? You sound like you recently took an intro to philosophy course |
Jan 28, 2015 8:22 PM
#12
silversongwriter said: SouthPark is kind of f**ked up. I can't remember nude kids being sexualized in South Park though.DrGeroCreation said: Well there are no naked lolis in American cartoons and tentacles so I think anime has the edge. There were scenes in south park where kids were nude. And atleast in anime it's just nudity some times. Nudity isn't a big deal. They showed goku's dick because they didn't consider nudity to be too big of a deal. Not to be perverted. There's a cutscene from "south park stick of truth" where a young boy gets an anal abortion. |
Jan 28, 2015 8:23 PM
#13
YorozuyaGinSan said: Is "lolicon" better than toddlers and tiaras? Society decides what is "messed up and gross", yanks just have a lot less exposure to animation than otaku dorks do and so they base their judgement on what is handed to them. Shows like the Simpsons and Archer through the television, and shows like Bible Black through porn sites, which side is "gross"? atleast lolicon is fake |
Jan 28, 2015 8:29 PM
#14
marriage said: I better start spamming cd with trifling "philosophical" discussion jerks then, huh.YorozuyaGinSan said: Is "lolicon" better than toddlers and tiaras? Society decides what is "messed up and gross", yanks just have a lot less exposure to animation than otaku dorks do and so they base their judgement on what is handed to them. Shows like the Simpsons and Archer through the television, and shows like Bible Black through porn sites, which side is "gross"? You sound like you recently took an intro to philosophy course silversongwriter said: Yeah, I suppose it is.atleast lolicon is fake I wonder if there is actually a correlation between people watching Toddlers and Tiaras and having a disdain for Japanese animation though, I haven't spoken to many avid Toddlers and Tiaras fans at all so I wouldn't really know. |
Jan 28, 2015 8:37 PM
#15
YorozuyaGinSan said: marriage said: I better start spamming cd with trifling "philosophical" discussion jerks then, huh.YorozuyaGinSan said: Is "lolicon" better than toddlers and tiaras? Society decides what is "messed up and gross", yanks just have a lot less exposure to animation than otaku dorks do and so they base their judgement on what is handed to them. Shows like the Simpsons and Archer through the television, and shows like Bible Black through porn sites, which side is "gross"? You sound like you recently took an intro to philosophy course This is the perfect time to start an argument on internet debate laws also I feel like most people dont watch toddlers and tiaras seriously, I mean it has a 1.8/10 rating on IMDB |
Jan 28, 2015 8:37 PM
#16
Protaku94 said: Anyone who thinks the majority of anime is perverted and twisted are either retarded or oblivious hypocrites. Nuff said. |
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Jan 28, 2015 8:39 PM
#17
In the whole scope of things, yes anime is more twisted than american stuff. I'm assuming that we are talking about actual anime vs american television. Anime as a whole is extremely diversified and unique. There are anime out there about boobs, incest, lolicon, rape and other subjects that seem to pop up frequently in many people's minds which feeds to their bias about anime. However what has not been done is the widespread awareness to many people of amazing shows such as attack on tiatan, death note, Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin, etc.. which in my opinion far surpass anything holloywood puts out. They are complex mature shows that are extremely fun to watch and understand. |
Jan 28, 2015 9:14 PM
#18
Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? |
Jan 28, 2015 9:16 PM
#19
Anything can be twisted if you are taught that it's twisted |
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Jan 28, 2015 9:19 PM
#20
DrGeroCreation said: Nope, it is from a Code Geass opening, i believe.Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? |
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Jan 28, 2015 9:21 PM
#21
PriestSlayer said: It's a legit part of the opening?DrGeroCreation said: Nope, it is from a Code Geass opening, i believe.Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? |
Jan 28, 2015 9:23 PM
#22
DrGeroCreation said: PriestSlayer said: It's a legit part of the opening?DrGeroCreation said: Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? No. The facial expression just fits the sentiment perfectly. |
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Jan 28, 2015 9:24 PM
#23
RedRoseFring said: LOL I get it. He does have that written on his face.DrGeroCreation said: PriestSlayer said: DrGeroCreation said: Nope, it is from a Code Geass opening, i believe.Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? No. The facial expression just fits the sentiment perfectly. |
Jan 28, 2015 9:25 PM
#24
DrGeroCreation said: I don't think so, i've listened to every CG opening and i don't remember anything like thatPriestSlayer said: It's a legit part of the opening?DrGeroCreation said: Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? |
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Jan 28, 2015 9:37 PM
#25
PriestSlayer said: I guess it's a fansub prank that later became a meme.DrGeroCreation said: I don't think so, i've listened to every CG opening and i don't remember anything like thatPriestSlayer said: DrGeroCreation said: Nope, it is from a Code Geass opening, i believe.Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? |
Jan 28, 2015 9:45 PM
#26
DrGeroCreation said: Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? it was obviously a troll/meme sub |
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Jan 28, 2015 9:49 PM
#27
Anime is twisted. Well some of it are. As for other American cartoons, I'm not really exposed to many of them, instead I grew up watching Chinese cartoons (yes the legit ones, not some joke to refer to anime in attempt to piss of anime fans). I'm pretty sure some were redubbed from japanese anime, but that's not the point. As for anime being more twisted than anything else, no it is not. People that watch certain thing tend to get desensitised after some time, so people who perceives American cartoons are normal are those that have watched a lot of it. For example, as an anime watcher I think moe is normal and totally fine. |
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Jan 28, 2015 9:59 PM
#28
DreamingBeats said: I see that now.DrGeroCreation said: Off topic but did that guy in Code Geass really say that? it was obviously a troll/meme sub |
Jan 28, 2015 11:10 PM
#29
A lot of Anime is pretty perverted. Even in serious Animes there are scenes where a guy blushes due to a certain situation. Most of the time those situations aren't even necessary or relevant to the story but is included because that's just how Anime is. |
Jan 29, 2015 1:51 AM
#30
silversongwriter said: DrGeroCreation said: Well there are no naked lolis in American cartoons and tentacles so I think anime has the edge. There were scenes in south park where kids were nude. And atleast in anime it's just nudity some times. Nudity isn't a big deal. They showed goku's dick because they didn't consider nudity to be too big of a deal. Not to be perverted. There's a cutscene from "south park stick of truth" where a young boy gets an anal abortion. lol ... yea but there's family guy and south park :") .... those should be enough |
Jan 29, 2015 1:53 AM
#31
all cartoons are twisted,nothing bad with that it's fiction after all |
Jan 29, 2015 2:04 AM
#32
Whenever I see a topic I always think of the "Youtubers react to MEMEME!" episode on YouTube. As soon as the girl was stripped to her underwear one of the women there said "That's disgusting!" Anime simply has more attractive women than western cartoons and most people can't handle that. It's okay if Nicki Minaj sings about her ass and shakes it all day long in a really bad music video, but do the same in something like MEMEME! and it's disgusting all of a sudden. |
Jan 29, 2015 2:30 AM
#33
Gator said: Whenever I see a topic I always think of the "Youtubers react to MEMEME!" episode on YouTube. As soon as the girl was stripped to her underwear one of the women there said "That's disgusting!" Anime simply has more attractive women than western cartoons and most people can't handle that. It's okay if Nicki Minaj sings about her ass and shakes it all day long in a really bad music video, but do the same in something like MEMEME! and it's disgusting all of a sudden. jenefer lopez's butty music video miley cyrus fingering herself on stage . . . . yea the list goes on :") i think the main reason is because when people see anime they instinctively associate it with cartoons that are aimed for children ..... while in fact some of them ARE NOT!! yes, prejudice and ignorance ........ the perfect mixture!!! |
Jan 29, 2015 2:41 AM
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Jan 29, 2015 2:42 AM
#35
I don't know if there's anything as twisted as Violence Jack in American cartoons. But in general, it does seem that adult American cartoons are more twisted than anime. South Park and Family Guy have some twisted shit that can be taboo, except they're satirical comedies. Anime tend to have twisted stuff in non-comedy shows. So it's difficult to say. It depends what you find twisted. Anime has taboo stuff involving incest, yaoi, yuri etc. And even though American cartoons have bloody violence in it, anime has moments that are more violent and gory. In short, a lot of hentai are more twisted than American cartoons. But non-pornographic wise, I think American cartoons are probably more twisted than anime. Except that quantity-wise, Anime has a lot more titles that are twisted (Elfen Lied was pretty twisted), but the stuff I've seen in South Park, Archer and maybe Family Guy are more twisted than anything I've seen in anime. |
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Jan 29, 2015 2:58 AM
#36
Every country makes horrendous art, but I think japan makes the most. They also probably need it the most to escape their miserable lives and from the society that demands that you work all the time |
Jan 29, 2015 2:59 AM
#37
JumpinJC said: I don't know if there's anything as twisted as Violence Jack in American shows. But in general, it does seem that adult American cartoons are more twisted than anime. South Park and Family Guy have some twisted shit, except they're satirical comedies. Anime tend to have twisted stuff in non-comedy shows. In live-action non-comedy shows, HBO's Oz is probably the most twisted TV show I've ever seen, (even though I thought the show was great). So it's difficult to say. It depends what you think is twisted. Anime has stuff involving incest, yaoi, yuri etc. In short, a lot of hentai are more twisted than American stuff. But non-pornographic wise, I think American stuff are probably more twisted than anime. Except that quantity-wise, Anime has a lot more titles that are twisted (Elfen Lied was pretty twisted), but the stuff I've seen in South Park and Family Guy are more twisted than anything I've seen in anime. [b]^summation to the thread +1 THIS !! |
Jan 29, 2015 3:04 AM
#38
us animation needs to beat stuff gynocyber and Volaice jack wic ked city deamon city Shinjuku and stuff like that 7 |
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Jan 29, 2015 3:13 AM
#39
JumpinJC said: This scene from Mind Game alone imo is more twisted than anything in Famlly Guy. Except that quantity-wise, Anime has a lot more titles that are twisted (Elfen Lied was pretty twisted), but the stuff I've seen in South Park and Family Guy are more twisted than anything I've seen in anime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422411861&x-yt-cl=84924572&v=t7ktmD1pgE4 FGAU1912 said: Agreed. No American cartoon is as twisted violence and gore wise as Genocyberus animation needs to beat stuff gynocyber |
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Jan 29, 2015 3:29 AM
#40
DrGeroCreation said: JumpinJC said: This scene from Mind Game alone imo is more twisted than anything in Famlly Guy. Except that quantity-wise, Anime has a lot more titles that are twisted (Elfen Lied was pretty twisted), but the stuff I've seen in South Park and Family Guy are more twisted than anything I've seen in anime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422411861&x-yt-cl=84924572&v=t7ktmD1pgE4 Yeah, that was pretty twisted, in a psychological way. Now that I think about it, if you bring psychological and dementia anime into it, anime may be more twisted than American stuff, what with all the mind rapes. |
Jan 29, 2015 3:38 AM
#41
It's called ethnocentrism, every culture thinks they're the holy grail of social values and is quick to look down on anything that doesn't align with that ego. |
Jan 29, 2015 3:53 AM
#42
The Boondocks > most comedic anime |
Jan 29, 2015 4:04 AM
#43
Eremiel said: The Boondocks > most comedic anime LOL ... that tyler perry episode :") but seriously though, american stuff may not have weird random shit in it, but it could get offensive as F***!!! and that's more dangerous tbh.... DrGeroCreation said: JumpinJC said: This scene from Mind Game alone imo is more twisted than anything in Famlly Guy. Except that quantity-wise, Anime has a lot more titles that are twisted (Elfen Lied was pretty twisted), but the stuff I've seen in South Park and Family Guy are more twisted than anything I've seen in anime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422411861&x-yt-cl=84924572&v=t7ktmD1pgE4 FGAU1912 said: Agreed. No American cartoon is as twisted violence and gore wise as Genocyberus animation needs to beat stuff gynocyber AGREED .... lol ... who watches this shit anyway .... |
Jan 29, 2015 4:39 AM
#44
WAD1992 said: Eremiel said: The Boondocks > most comedic anime LOL ... that tyler perry episode :") but seriously though, american stuff may not have weird random shit in it, but it could get offensive as F***!!! and that's more dangerous tbh.... DrGeroCreation said: JumpinJC said: Except that quantity-wise, Anime has a lot more titles that are twisted (Elfen Lied was pretty twisted), but the stuff I've seen in South Park and Family Guy are more twisted than anything I've seen in anime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422411861&x-yt-cl=84924572&v=t7ktmD1pgE4 FGAU1912 said: us animation needs to beat stuff gynocyber AGREED .... lol ... who watches this shit anyway .... imost live actions waether form us ofr japan or nayway can come close to gynocyber i dont mid geno cyber |
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Jan 29, 2015 4:55 AM
#45
WAD1992 said: +1Kagami_Hiiragi said: DrGeroCreation said: Gator said: Not too sure about that.Anime simply has more attractive women than western cartoons and most people can't handle that. First two are hot, but its all downhill after that. actually now that i'm looking at them .............. they kinda look like transvestites :") WTF!!! LOL look at those chines!!!! :") |
Jan 29, 2015 7:03 AM
#47
I think they are about the same, although they use a little different methods to display their views. In here many people still think anime as a children's programs, so it's no wonder they are really shocked after seeing some perfectly normal anime. |
Jan 29, 2015 7:10 AM
#49
Yeah, not really. |
Jan 29, 2015 7:18 AM
#50
There are more twisted animes than twisted tv-show |
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