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| Dunno why, but this season just didn't really compel me to watch it like the first season did. I just wasn't all that interested in the plot...i felt like the whole "What color am I?" catch phrase was a bit of a cliche....Kamui's backstory was to me immensely bland and also a bit of a cliche...I don't really know what to say...but the first season grabbed me by the balls from the very start, this...not so much... |
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qberr said: or when she didn't shoot the boat, because she became batman somewhere inbetween s1 and s2 JUST saying, she was always like that. Remember when she couldn't shoot Makishima and ended up letting her friend get killed? It's her extremely contradictory sense of justice at work... |
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KageNoAbisu said: qberr said: or when she didn't shoot the boat, because she became batman somewhere inbetween s1 and s2 JUST saying, she was always like that. Remember when she couldn't shoot Makishima and ended up letting her friend get killed? You got it wrong.She shot,but missed. |
Szadek23 said: KageNoAbisu said: JUST saying, she was always like that. Remember when she couldn't shoot Makishima and ended up letting her friend get killed? You got it wrong.She shot,but missed. Well, yeah, but she missed because she wasn't aiming with the real intention to kill. She couldn't bring herself to kill someone. |
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| I kinda disagree with some parts... qberr said: she had the intention to kill, she couldn't hit anything because you can't shoot shotguns with one hand and no experience she was wielding the shotgun with one hand because she was still clinging to Sibyl because that's how people are brought up Yes, but she didn't even *try* to hold it correctly or aim correctly. She even closed her eyes before she shot and she was trembling like crazy. It was very clear she wanted to save her friend, but nothing about her actions made it look like she really intended to try and kill him. I dunno about the interview thing, I've never seen that one. But even if she considered it, does it count for anything if she didn't seriously try? qberr said: she didn't kill Maki-kun atop Nona tower because she had no reason to (he was harmless and unconscious) She did have a reason, though. He killed her friend and she hated him for it. Also, it wasn't like she knocked him out and then just handcuffed him. She did consider it and she was preparing herself too, but once again she couldn't bring herself to do it. qberr said: she did have a reason to stop the vampire looking guy, it's just that the reason was retarded (his situation was completely different from Kogami, i guess Togane used hallucinogens or something) Actually, the situations were pretty similar and this was the scene that made me realize that she hadn't changed as much as I thought she had from the first season. It was one of her subordinates about to kill a villain. She stopped Togane from killing Kamui just like she tried to stop Kogami from killing Makishima. As for the spoiler, I haven't seen the movie yet (ah, the wait for English subs), so I can't really comment much on that. All I'm saying is that so far, from what I've seen, she doesn't have a thing against killing people necessarily (although she does try to save several as we've seen), but she tries to avoid killing people who Sybil can't judge. That's why I can't agree with her sense of justice. |
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qberr said: the only issue with Togane killing Kamui with a rifle was that a rifle isn't an instrument of Sibyl's judgement, but as we've seen a lot of times since the dual wielding scene in s1, Akane became really fucking flexible on the whole "follow Sibyl" thing, and it's not like it'd have caused any CC issue with the guy credited for having the highest CC ever. Yeah, that I agree with, sorry if my wording was weird. I meant that when it comes to Sybil, exactly as you said, she doesn't seem to find that much a problem with killing criminals. I mean, sure, she did stop Kogami from shooting that girl in the first episode in s1, however generally she doesn't stop the enforcers from killing. But just because it's not through the Dominator, Sybil's eyes, she doesn't like killing people, which I find ridiculous. |
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| What colour is my psycho pass now you ask? Pitch black after seeing them brutally ruin a good anime with loads of potential. Of course I'm exaggerating, wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, but I still had to force myself to keep watching half way through, and that's never a good thing. The words that come to mind after seeing all of the second season is "needlessly convoluted" as well as that this is the reason why sequels or 2nd's of anything get bad rep, because bad writers just try to take everything they did originally, do it again, but make it more "hardcore" and overblown. Works sometimes like in Gurren Lagann, but Psycho-Pass clearly takes itself too seriously, which would be fine as long they had something worth taking seriously like in the first season. Doesn't detract too much from the overall rating as the first lacked this as well, but there was no definitive answer to the sibyl system again... AGAIN! Sigh..trying to set up for a season 3 I suppose. Also, I'm sure this is the question everybody's asking, where the heck is Kougami?? all we get is one dream about him and he doesn't even get a clip at the end. If he's dead that's pretty anticlimactic after that dream to. Opening and Ending were stellar though... so I guess it was a good watch. |
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| This show got a lot better towards the end cant wait to see kougami again |
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| Well this season was a letdown compared to season 1, but it was still decent |
| Somehow to ending didn't appeal much as the rest of the show but now Sibyl system is now more updated what will the next season bring in ? still great show and top of the list |
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| Haven't been watching this season yet. Can anyone tell me if Kougami has shown up yet or if there are any hints that he will show up? |
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| Yeah... I've really no clue what the mass hate on this season is about. It's not as mature or philosophical, but it definitely wasn't terrible. Honestly it was almost as thrilling as the first season for me. I think people are just upset because they feel like the first season is some masterpiece and this one is just "very good" at best. Nothing ruins things more than expectations, right? This was a great finale, too; probably more entertaining than the first season's, TBH. Don't see why people think it's just "filler" or whatever either, because the events of this episode were a very important change to the Sybil system. Contrast this with the first season where absolutely nothing was resolved and Shougo ultimately accomplished an absolute sum of zero -- at least changes were made this time. At least Kamui accomplished something. Oh and yeah, I actually really liked Kamui by the end, though he's definitely not half as awesome as Shougo was. I guess the significantly worse characters is probably the biggest problem about this season. |
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| This season felt like they were trying too hard on the shock value with just gorey scenes and a not so engaging philosophy subplot to work off of. |
TAMinator said: This season felt like they were trying too hard on the shock value with just gorey scenes and a not so engaging philosophy subplot to work off of. I very much agree. You know the creators are scrapping the bottom of the barrel when they have a dog killing scene, they were really looking for some emotional reaction there. |
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| /yawn this shitty MC needs to die... in other news, sibly sounds hawt as fuck as a brain.. would bang with a paperbag |
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| THIS SHIT WAS SO FUCKING BAD...... |
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TheBritishBear said: Tbf, if you enjoyed Psycho Pass and is aware of the stupid things the show brings in, Psycho Pass 2 is still enjoyable. Let's not all forget, Psycho Pass had a shit ton of stupid plot devices. We seem to accept on face value that the society is run by brains and helmets can tamper with Psycho Pass levels by latching onto someone elses. All Psycho Pass 2 did was increase the stupidity, but I think of that as a plus because to me, the show is a dumb sci-fi flick. To be honest, I am far from liking your nearly inconceivable sour attitude towards the hype that PP1 generated years ago. Yes I know you are not in retaliation solely because you think the series was stupid itself (you might have actually enjoyed it) but I could not fathom why would you enjoy something else for the sole purpose of it being "stupid". I can understand if this logic applies to you watching some Youtube stuff, but as Migi (from Parasyte) says, using the term stupid might mean that the subject being referred to is less intelligent than you. Without further questioning ado on the intricacies and complexities of the nature of "intelligence" itself. are you trying to indirectly INFER TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE BETTER "INTELLIGENT IDEAS" that could contribute to those plot devices of PP1 aside from "the society is run by brains and helmets can tamper with Psycho Pass levels by latching onto someone elses"? Well, if you do have one, I would still not congratulate you as it would only entail a part of a whole contribution and managing the whole itself is on a whole new level and deserves a special respect. It seems like the cause of "stupidity" on your side is within the context and bounds of the plot of PP1 itself. As many have already eagerly contrived to define sci-fi in a lexical way, it is no easy thing to do as the prospects of making a sci-fi lies on imagination, obviously incorporating scientific and technological limitations. As you might have noticed, it is easier for us (humans) to get amazed of works that are of pure fantasy and that which regresses scientific method. Why am I harping on this? It's because you called Psycho Pass 1 (yes, only the first one) a "dumb sci-fi flick" without actually looking onto the hermeneutics of sci-fi itself. PP has probably all the sci-fi elements that you are struggling to make sense with 1) there is an illustrated [improbable] speculation of possible future events, 2) these speculations were decently founded and structuralized in the knowledge of the present world (virtual reality, holograms, drone-bots, etc), and most of all 3) SCIENTIFIC METHOD, where most of the operations that the characters must brought up will be a methodology of this. Now, is this anime catering for SCIENTISTS, OR SCI-FI FANATICS ONLY? Of course not, that's why the "human will" and some philosophical doctrines was largely incorporated into the plot so that the whole community can enjoy it too, or else why would make an anime with a sci-fi genra? Actually this is the case for most sci-fi shows, but PP did an excellent job providing an utopian imagery of society that is close to perfection until a conflict (or conflicts) rises to create everything out-of-control. In this part, I tried to justify PP as a valid sci-fi series. And next.. Alas, you are ONE OF THOSE THAT SEEM TO ACCEPT ON FACE VALUE that a brain-controlled utopian society is a stupid one. Yes I will accept it as such if I were inside PP universe, but I will also SIMULTANEOUSLY ACCEPT that it is of course a very important paradox given by the writer that will at least make the mind digest something. Cyber-tech society trying to attain a perfection, and yet the one who does this are the imperfect ones? Isn't this a great irony? We were presented a conditioned utopian society, so I would only expect great wonders as this means the setting laid it out such that a single hair of conflict will bound to create a massive chain reaction of unwanted events. I believe this circumstances are most pleasing for us who studies social theories and contemplate with it, otherwise even if I tell you the wonders of the extrapolation, natural observation, foundationalism, or even the concept of change discussed in a philosophical context, you might not even budge on your seat, or else you'll be my guest. Also I believe PP1 it is not trying to be "intelligent" in a way it keeps spouting some stuff of which you will know right away that a subset of people will really get inconvenienced with it (**ahhemm**..Stein's Gate) more like it really shifts its focal point from cyber technology to human nature time to time and the infusion of these two areas that I am inclined to say "not totally married yet" really gave off such distinct and wonderful after taste to me (and for most people, too). In this sense, at least, if the series doesn't gives off a vibe of being an "insufferable know-it-all", it does injustice that you call it stupid either. Not fair. Sorry for the long post, but I'm really trying to be fair in the anime world, I won't easily and might never bash an anime unless I'm trolling. Each of them have their own merits. My Psycho Pass rating in MAL is not 10 though, it's like 7 or 8, BECAUSE I KNOW AND CAN ADMIT ITS FLAWS (will not discuss further) AND IT'S NOT DEFINITELY THE BRAIN-Y THINGY YOU MIGHT HAVE SCORNED SO BADLY. It's a very important irony, I'll repeat. |
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| was worry about S2 but in the end it is not bad Akane is a fine lead character but Kogami is still more interesting, now looking forward to the movie :) |
| I wonder why people are criticizing this show in ways that are completely irrelevant... |
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| Fitting end. No loose ends. Sibyl can now judge itself, a good thing so far. |
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BurntJelly said: Exactly this, I wonder why people are saying that this didn't move the plot at all. They're fighting a wannbe god machine made out of brains, I'd say it's quite a great step towards either its end or its "perfect" evolution and that changes a lot from S1.Fitting end. No loose ends. Sibyl can now judge itself, a good thing so far. |
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| Your criticism is based on your theories and not what the Anime tells you. "But what if A METEOR WOULD FALL ON SYBIL? There's no need to do anything guys, we don't need Psycho Pass at all, a meteor can always finish off Sybil." |
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Immahnoob said: Your criticism is based on your theories and not what the Anime tells you. "But what if A METEOR WOULD FALL ON SYBIL? There's no need to do anything guys, we don't need Psycho Pass at all, a meteor can always finish off Sybil." Are you high or something? Your post makes no sense at all. |
| Are you able to understand context? I don't think you are. |
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| And hearsay will help your stance how? Go on, quote the first season, quote the LN, tell me how your criticism is valid. Show us the contradictions. Why are you still here babbling? |
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qberr said: This entire shit for example.yes, let's completely ignore the possible repercussions of Sibyl being able to give summary judgement en masse, or that the whole brains genocide might just have been a ruse, or that being able to judge itself doesn't stop it from doing bad shit in the movie, or that the removal of aforementioned brains implies the reduction of Sibyl system's accuracy in CC readings, or that none of thise needed 10 episodes of pure idiocy |
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qberr said: It seems you don't understand how irrelevant that is. Akane answered herself with the same amount of proof AKA hypothesis.this is something Kasei herself said Kasei says: "Witch hunt." Akane says: "No witch hunt." Who is right? Nobody knows, both are basing it on an argument from future and on opinion. qberr said: As I said, you base this on your theories, not on what is shown in the Anime. Sure, they're great deceivers. Does that mean they'll deceive all the time? Who told you that? Why should I believe you? As I saw it on the screen, the brains disintegrated. Your stance is retarded.another simple argument, we know from s1 Sibyl goes to great lengths to get brains and that they're pretty good at deception, you really believe they'd just gas them like that? qberr said: The thing is, they don't need to be "good", they need to be "better judges", and being able to judge themselves means they're one step further on being able to judge better. i read the movie spoilers,s1 didn't make "Sibyl good" qberr said: It seems you don't remember what happened in this last episode. The system judged Kamui (another system) and found his pass to be clouded and Kamui did the same for Sibyl and Sibyl also deemed itself clouded.it's the reason why they add CA brains instead of just killing CAs, not going to rewatch s1 just because you cn't emember a central plot point. So Sibyl deleted those brains and poof, it seems Sybil is now at 0, not at 300, while Kamui can't simply decide to delete personalities inside of him (and he won't anyway) so he remains a target for execution. It seems you forgot why they use the brains of psychopaths. qberr said: These are more unfounded claims, be more specific.most of the shoe's screentime was wasted on shitty action scenes and subplots with either an arguably underwhelming resolution or no resolution at all. 11 episodes weren't enough to develop all the padding, 11 episodes were way too much for the central plot without the padding, director fucked up |
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| The Sibyl system itself is completely ooc in season 2. It could have stopped Kamui in many ways by breaking a few of it's own rules,something it had no problem doing in s1. It was also way too nice in the last episode of a collective of serial killers and other assholes. |
Szadek23 said: "In my opinion", you forgot to mention that.The Sibyl system itself is completely ooc in season 2. |
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Immahnoob said: Szadek23 said: "In my opinion", you forgot to mention that.The Sibyl system itself is completely ooc in season 2. No,I didn't. |
| Just finished watching, could someone tell me how Sybil brain(s) had a Crime Coe.. over 300 even though the brains are all idiosyn... and shit? Was it arbitrarly changed by Sybil or something? |
Szadek23 said: So it's not an opinion?No,I didn't. qberr said: And Akane has proven to be clear in whatever situation Sibyl put her in. By Sibyl, she is completely sane of mind. And Sibyl is a judge that has never judged entire groups. How would Sibyl know what the results of something it never did are? Do you know how unscientific that is?one of the two has direct access to the how and what of the Sibyl system, the other is Akane not sure why you think they're not going to try and use the ability to judge multiple people a the same time on people, it's a really sibyl thing to do qberr said: So, because Sibyl lied, that means it lies all the time?i base my theories on estabilished traits, that's how discussion works qberr said: Not liking one's stance does not make it invalid. Is a liar's statements always lies? No, I doubt it.also, "Sure, they're great deceivers. Does that mean they'll deceive all the time? Who told you that?" serously? that's your argument? qberr said: And how does this answer my point?it isn't, it's just an ability, an ability they might or might not use unless forced to, whereas we know that the amount of brains they have is always a factor on their ability to judge qberr said: No, you're discussing nonsense.but unfortunately we're discussing implications here qberr said: It's completely relevant in annihilating your point, considering they did claim they use CA because their passes cannot be clouded.the exact reason they use CAs was never said, it might be because of their lack of empathy or because CA brains just work differently either is irrelevant qberr said: Wrong, more CA brains would be better. Those that are clouded are worthless for Sibyl.what's relevant is that more brains = better qberr said: The gassed brains were destroyed... Watch the last episode again, seriously.it was also never stated that the gassed brains magically stopped being CA qberr said: It seems you watched the show with your brain off, because you skipped about 4 episodes or so which talked about how the government uses certain pills to treat psycho passes that are starting to become clouded, you missed the episode with the pharmacy in which the inspector got sniped through a wall. You also missed how he used holos, organ transplants and face transplants for all that and he had followers. from the top of my head, the fact that Kamui had multiple identities and had replaced a number of important people was never resolved, also the fact that he could conjure CA pills was never really adressed It seems you didn't watch the show. |
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qberr said: And then they claimed it's still impossible for them to do the same for a big group like that entire city. they did that twice on ep 11 qberr said: You're the one not keeping up and not answering my point. Just because they lied that does not mean they'll lie all the time.not what was implied you implied that them having to lie would undermine the argument i proved that didn't stop them before try to keep up qberr said: So if I know how to shoot a gun but I won't shoot it because of whatever reason that means that I am not a good shooter? That logic does not work.your point is that them being able to judge themselves automatically makes them a better judge it doesn't because they never showed being willing to judge themselves unless forced to and because nothing says they can remove that ability also less brains = bad And clouded psycho passes from brains = bad. qberr said: That's not wrong, you seem to have forgotten the main antagonist in Psycho Pass 1.that's wrong besides it's not that their pass can't be clouded, their pass is broken bullshit, the CC reading does not work on them qberr said: It seems that as a group they can, considering some of them we're disintegrated because of that reason. You believe Sibyl too much.Sibyl only absorbs CA brains and CA brains never cloud qberr said: No, your point was that there was no proof that the CA brains that we're gassed stopped being CA. They destroyed those brains, so they can't be CA because they're not there anymore.that was my point please try to keep up qberr said: And how is that relevant? Kamui stated that the pills the government give them are too generally made so they have harsh side effects. To perfect them you need to prescribe specific drugs, which he researched through the Togame foundation, which is like, the most important part of the story. those aren't CA pills I don't even know how you got the idea that these are CA pills anyway, they're just pills that stop your psycho pass from being clouded for a specific amount of time and lower it too. Which is possible because the government does the same. Your point is irrelevant, as I said. qberr said: Subjective. Also, I talked about it because it mentions the pharmaceutical information about Kamui and the government (for better emphasis rather than with a single publicity they had in episode 1).yes that was a subplot with an underwhelming conclusion qberr said: you seem to believe what i was looking for was an explanation about how he did that you're wrong What does this mean then? qberr said: from the top of my head, the fact that Kamui had multiple identities and had replaced a number of important people was never resolved, also the fact that he could conjure CA pills was never really adressed As I said, you're: 1. Making no sense. Incoherent. 2. Speaking out of your ass. 3. Wrong. |
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qberr said: "I don't like how the plot is going that means it's bad." is not an argument. Also, you don't know that will happen.so the only advantage mass CC gives is that one day they'll genocide groups of people by CC en masse, great qberr said: I never denied they're able to lie, that does not mean that they lied in the situation you said they did.nobody said them lying once means they'll always lie, i said them liing once means they have the ability to lie qberr said: That's not the same analogy though. ok let's make this simple you have a rifle this rifle has a tripod you don't use that, using it might damage you therefore our rifle is as good as it was without the tripod, as for it to give an advantage, it has to be used next time i'll draw you a picture, or a graph only if someone is pointing a dominator at them You do know you're proving the shows point, right?Sibyl never cared about abiding their rules, especially if their survival was at stake their rules apply to people and Sibyl isn't a person they were gassed because they increased the total CC, they were never stated to not e CA anymore "CAs never cloud" is something you said anyways, captain coherence It's the same thing. Sibyl claims they're not clouded, it's not like they can't be judged. You're mixing up Kamui's situation with a CA situation. And CAs can be clouded but can't show on the system as such, so technically they're not clouded. qberr said: No, they're not part of the system anymore so it doesn't matter.ok that's just trolling do i really have to explain to you the implications of some guy being able to make people behave basically like CAs even if for a short time? You do understand none of that matters, right? What you think can happen or what you think will happen is irrelevant. He is able to do so because he found out how by research he conducted through the Togame foundation.last time it happened Sibyl specifically stated that that shit was getting fixed also you reread the wrong post It's all explained and there's no logical incoherency, you're just being irrelevant. |
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